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@ Weah96, are you a Nigerian?

Hiswordxray:
Stop pretending like you are seeking for God. And stop asking question you don't really want answers to.
If you want to become an atheist fine go be an atheist and enjoy the atheist life.

But if you real want to find God here is a tip - God is not logical but spiritual. You can't find God with your brain but with your heart. God is love and when it comes to love it is a thing of the heart.

The God you are espousing is actually a logical one else you wouldn't believe in the idea. It is when you are meet with thought provoking questions that you throw the God is not logical mantra to explain things that don't make sense because you still want to keep believing. Reason and logic is what you use when explaining God to people. What do you mean when you say God is love?

Tranglatar:
To me an Atheist is someone who has tried but could not reason out GOD and HIS ways. Not that he doesn't believe in GOD per se but to him, GOD doesn't act in the way he expects HIM to act. GOD's ways to him is not logical This mostly due to environmental influence that makes one unconsciously develop KPIs to judge GOD with. So out of anger at his/ her failure to predict GOD and HIS ways, HE rejects HIM and unconsciously expect HIM to prove HIMSELF by the way he expects HIM to call him back to HIS fold. Nobody is born an atheist !!! You only become an atheist. Using the bible may not move the person. i suggest books like Dark Night of the Soul by St John of the Cross.

What is God?

Hiswordxray:
I spoke the truth because Jesus is the truth.
You want to know why people like him will be thrown into hell. Because they know God exist but they run away from him.
The real reason he left Christianity is because he couldn't stop committing sin and the guilt is killing him. He his afraid of hell. If you don't believe me go back and read what he posted on why he left Christianity. He keep mentioning the words "fear" and "sin".
He thought by disbelieving in God his guilt will disappear and by disbelieving in hell his fear will disappear.
He wants to remain in his sins and he refuse to face reality.

Don't be fooled by what he says or the questions and argument he tries to bring up.

If you want to find God I would help you.

The fear of hell is exactly the reason why you are a christian. There is no evidence and there can never be which shows that christians are better human beings than non christians. Quit the superficial talk of him wanting to sin that was why he left christianity. He left christianity simply because he said he saw through the facade. I can bet you that you are not a better human being than him. He might be morally upright than you are as a person.

Hiswordxray:
OK it seem you've already made up your mind.
Well I tried and I know that God loves you. He won't give up on you and he would surely reach you. Just be prepared, open your heart and he would reach you.

I will say it again, you need to read through what you write to see how sensible it is. If there is a God as described by the bible and you, that wants to know me and have a relationship with me we won't be here having this discussion. We are having this discussion because that God isn't there.

plaetton:
And what exactly is your point?
I have not threatened that religion will be crushed.
We are already seeing the decline of religion all over the world, except for thirldworld poor countries that have nothing but stone age spuerstions to navigate life.
Even your sect, the Catholic church, is closing parishes because of poor attendance.
In advanced countries, religion is for grandmas and grandpas.
Therefore, in about 50 to 100 yes from now, we will have far far fewer religious people, and about 90% of them will in third world basket cases and failed states.

I really love how you write and express yourself, wish I could be like you. I am your fan.

Hiswordxray:
God is not hiding, it is us that is hiding. God is crying out day and night for you to hear him but you don't know how to listen. When I said I will help you find God, I mean I would help you find and hear his voice that had been calling for you all this while.
God is desperately in love with you.

How are we hiding? I am definitely not hiding. How can an all powerful omnipotent being that can do all things be crying day and night for people he wants to be in a relationship with to hear him? Do you really know the implication of what you are saying? Some times you need to sit back and think through some of the things you are saying because t makes no sense at all, it nothing but special pleading. God has never called me. I have never heard his voice, all I have heard so far are people telling me what to believe, what to do and how to act when it comes to the idea of God. You can not help me find God. You can only help me accept your ideas and convictions about God.Your ideas and conception of God I know will be very different from another Christian who will also want to help me find God. So you see, it all boils down to what our minds make out of the idea and conception of God.

Hiswordxray:
You are not a truth seeker and am sure most of the things (concerning why you left Christianity) you posted on this trend are lies.
You have harden you heart towards God and you do not desire to find him even if he exist. You are like ifeness, he knows he is going to hell but the pleasures he enjoins from sin won't let him accept their is a God. I had been studying you and I know people like you.

So please tell us again, this time the truth why you left Christianity.

You claim to be the mouth piece of God, you also claim to know how to lead people to God. He asked you very simple questions, instead of answering, you just went on a tirade of how he has hardened his heart and what not. You did everything to digress in other not to answer his simple questions.

plaetton:
Why does an individual have to seek god?
Why is god not self-evident, that way no one has to seek him?

Why does a god who did all kinds of crap in the old testament now in hiding, and have to be sought?

Very good questions, considering that according to christianity God wants to know humans and be in a relationship with them. Why hide when God wants people to know him and want to have a relationship with him? God is just what ever we humans that believe in the concept chose to make of it.

Hiswordxray:
They are not all the same. I seek for God and I found him. Other people I knew who sought for God also found him.
Maybe you made mistakes. Maybe you mistake God for religion. Maybe you didn't do it right.
Just maybe.

How did you find God? Where is God so that I can also seek him and find him?

muafrika:
With you, I don't mind. My transition from doubts and your kind of questions to unreasonnable belief for one. I was standing outside at night just watching some young teenagers worship wondering what all the effort was about when my mind suddenly changed. It just HIT me. It was so unreasonable. All the questions I had STILL were in me, they just did not matter. From,there I made effort to study God, and from this experience I knew that God was quite capable of teaching and revealing HIMSELF. And I took advantage of it. It has led me to further experiences that I would rather not share in public. I may share them with you through P.M. I learnt then that God does whatever He wishes. He could have revealed Himself to me when I said the prayer or when I started going to church if He wanted but chose not to till later. He could reveal Himself to the whole world but choses not to. That's harsh, but it is who He is.

That is my problem with the God concept, it does no real work in reality. God is just like an abstract idea that can be used to mean anything. Humans don't act that way. If God reveals himself to humans then why is the need for God needing humans to propagate his message? Why not just reveal himself to all humans to end all doubt? After all he wants all humans to know him and receive his salvation. God is not who he is in my opinion. God is just what we humans that believe in the God idea make him what we want him to be. That is my own conclusion about the God hypothesis.

muafrika:
Actually, as a person, I have issues with the religious establishment. What keeps me a Christian are some mind blowing spiritual encounters on a personal level that I can't ignore. Otherwise I would be on the other side of this discussion.

Do you mind sharing these spiritual encounters?

Hiswordxray:
You didn't seek God. You seek religion any you had faith in religion but it failed you. Of course religion is messed up and disappointing but if you seek God you will find him.

God, faith and religion are all the same thing. I seek for God but realized that God was never there.

What is going on here?

I realized I was always giving christianity the benefit of doubt, even when it clearly failed I still found myself actually making things up, spinning things, or out-rightly telling lies just to rationalize and justify thing because I truly believed or wanted to believe. I just decided to stop giving faith the benefit of doubt and allow it to prove it's self if it's actually true. It has never proven it self and I stopped believing. Right now I consider my self to be some one that is on a journey.

honourhim:
You simply told me an account you read and believed, you were not there when it happened, No? Yet you are condemning me for believing the biblical account. There is nothing strong about the account you gave here bro. Kindly provide the link. Thanks.

Where and when did I condemn you? I just told you to tell me the name of the original language all humans were speaking before God confused them? As for the link here it is:

English is primarily a West Germanic language that originated from the Anglo-Frisian dialects, brought to Britain by Germanic invaders and/or settlers from the places which are now called North West Germany and the Netherlands. It uses a vocabulary unlike other European languages of the same era.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_English_language

honourhim:
Yes I believe the bible very much and that's not your business. Your business here is to provide your own account.

What was the original language humans were speaking before God confused them with different languages?

You just danced around bro.

I gave you a clear example of how the Anglo Saxon language evolved into English over a long period of time and how Latin broke down into Spanish and other languages, yet you are claiming ignorance.

Emmalot121:
O ga o! So you and ifeness thinks its not an aeroplane after reading the whole chapter 60?! Whao! What does it mean then? He talked about moving people in on land, sea, but was astounded by the vision of the aeroplane that he asked a question. Instead of caving in, you are still arguing over an obvious fact. If he wasn't talking about an airplane, tell me what he was talking about, taking into consideration that he used the knowledge available to him over 13 centuries ago to describe it.

Where is the airplane mentioned?

honourhim:
We know the bible account of how the different languages/dialects of the world came to be so i dont need to go into it again. Now can the scientists/atheists provide us with their own account of how the various thousands of different languages/dialects across the world came to be?

You don't know anything, you only believe the biblical tale. By the way what was the original language humans were speaking before God in the bible decided to confuse them with different languages according to the bible?

Languages evolve that is the reality of the matter, take the English language as an example. It clearly evolved from the Anglo Saxon language. Latin which is dead now has also given birth to other languages.

There is no evidence what so ever to show that people who pray get what they want more than people who do not pray. Prayer does not work, its just a deeply held belief but in reality it doesn't work at all. If it does there will be evidence to show that it does, since it doesn't there is no evidence to back it up. I know a lot of Nigerians that are constantly praying for basic things in life without getting them while most atheist in Europe and other parts of the world have them in abundance.

OLAADEGBU: GWG said: "Is abortion wrong in cases of rape, incest or when it threatens the mother's life?"

Response:

It's wrong to kill the baby for the crime of the father. If the mother's life is in danger, the standard procedure is to have a cesarean and save the lives of both the mother and child. Not to kill the baby. Incest is against the law, so again, you shouldn't kill the baby for the crime of the father.

Exodus 20:5, “You shall not bow down to idols or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.”

Now I am more tolerant, more open minded, and I now live without fear of demons, witches, satan coming to get me or affecting my life in a negative way. I am now more compasionate towards others. I believe life should be enjoyed since this is the only life we have. I take full responsibilities for my actions and do not rely on prayers any more. I basically understand life much more now that I am an atheist. Before I just had to rely on the ideas, conception and opinions of others like me as the best and final authority over issues they themselves do not fully understand. Now I am free from religous bondage and I love all the good things that come with it.

NativeBoy: Why do you assume you have read more than I on this issue? Does it seem ridiculous that a believer might have read into atheism.

Btw, where did you get your information that Adam and Eve were Hebrews?

Did the bible not trace Jesus's lineage to Adam? Don't you read the bible?

NativeBoy: The heavens and the earth. Correlate that with John 1. Everything was made by He who made it in the beginning.

Stop dropping platitiudes when you know you can not follow them to the end. The bible gives a 6 day account of creation. If it is true it will have scientific backing. Science says the universe had a begining and you quickly rushed to hug it, but your bible says the earth and the uinverse were created together in the begining. Can you support that? The bible has nothing to do with science, it is a book of religious belief, like all the other ones out there, if you want to believe it you can do so, but claiming it is the right one because science supports it is just false because science does not support anything written in the book of genesis about the creation of the earth and the universe.

NativeBoy: It isn't either-or. It isn't science or God. It's both. Understanding how something works does not negate the creator. For example, if I asked you how a car was made, you would tell me all the science that went into it. Still, it was made by Henry Ford. The car didn't assemble itself and the laws of science didn't build the engine.

Secondly, it matters not whether there are a billion religions or perspectives. What is important is truth. Not all perspectives are valid. Only truth is valid. For example, only the Judeo-Christian faith maintained that the universe had a beginning. All the other faiths and perspectives has their own ideas about the origin of the universe. Eventually, only one prevailed. Now ask yourself, how did Bronze Age humans know the universe had a beginning? I suppose that's for another thread.

It isn't about "my religion is better than yours" or "my God is greater than your god", or "i'm better than you because of...", etc. It is about what is true. For example, was Jesus Christ a true historical figure? Yes. Hardly anyone still tries to disprove the existence of Christ. Many have tried, none have succeeded.

If you are a sincere skeptic, then I urge you to reconsider Christ again. Jesus is truth.

The word universe was not mentioned in the bible, the bible only said in the begining God created the heaven and the earth. . .The 6 day creation account in the bible is so wrong that many people have discarded it completely , while others just say its an allegory. You can't eat your cake and have it, if the bible gets it right on the universe having a begining then where does conventional science say that the earth and the universe came into being together in the begining? Just keep your religious beliefs to yourself and stop using science to justify it. Now show me the scientific journal that says the earth and the universe were created together in the begining asumming the heaven talked about in the bible means the universe.

Some people here are using words like good, righteous and loving to describe God. But even the greatest sadist will not do what the are telling us God will do. If religion is true then a person like Osama will be in hevean while a person like Mandela will be in hell. This just shows you that religion is purely man made. Heaven and all are purely for mind control and keeping people in like with religious ideas.

Joshthefirst: God does not accept service or actions done in petrified fear. Fear is the opposite of faith. Hell fire preaching evokes fear and bondage in the hearers, but godly preaching of repentance from sin evokes godly sorrow that leads to actual repentance and response to Gods love and sacrifice.

But Hell is very real. If there's no hell, then there's no heaven. Why should there be an eternal perfect and righteous place such as heaven then?


When you understand what eternity is, and the fact that God is also an eternal judge, then you will understand.

Until then, things done in fear evoke hatred and bondage. Its better to not know about God than to respond to him in fear and not love.

Understand what? Why should any body end up in hell for finite disobedience? Does a sinner that lives for 30 years on earth deserve to spend eternity in hell? Does that make sense to you?

ghostofsparta: Guy you won't be the first to be asking such pertinent question. I provide answers for them in my book. It's will be too lengthy and disconnected if I post them here.

I don't want your book, I just want your to explain it here. The Europeans conquered the Yoruba land with ancient guns that were poorly made against their wish. Remember at that time juju was the only thing that was available to the people at that time. If any of the things you are saying is true then you should be able to send a sms to any body here without using a phone or the other guy supporting you should be able to travel to England without using an airplane. I really want to know how effective these claims are. Why are they hidden if they are true? Why can't we use it to protect our selves or make our societies better? Why is it solely based on hear say?

My question to all the juju proponents is this, why is it that every thing about juju is never done in the open, why must it be hidden? We have seen what science has done and every thing about it is out in the open, every body can learn about it, try it and modify it if possible. The same can not be said for juju. Personally I have never seen juju at work, I always hear people talk about it, but when I ask more questions I usually get unsatisfying answers. I really do not believe in all these here say stories because if juju is real then how come the white man was able to conquer our ancestors with their ancient guns and stop them from practising their juju tradition by replacing it with the white man's religion? If bullet proof juju is real then why were we conquered with ancient guns? Why didn't the bullet proof juju save our ancestors? Why didn't we use the juju to make the invaders drop their guns and start farming on our lands because some people claim they have the juju that will make you beging to work for them once you come to attack them. Why can't we use juju to develop our lands? We use science and technology to develop ourselves, why can't we use juju if its real?

ifyalways: Woged killed it

Don't say a word to her,arrange with your family doctor to scare her. Lol

I will try that and see if it will work. Its not so easy, but lets see. Thanks

I am no longer s e x u a l l y attracted to my wife at all. I can't even get it up these days with her. I love her but I am no longer attracted to her s e x u a l l y. She has added a lot of weight and so many things are just wrong. Her body is no longer the same at all. I don't blame her because having kids does take its toll on a woman's body. I can't even mention it to her that she has added so much weight because she will say very hurtful things to me. She does not want to accept reality. I love her, but I also wish that she would care more about her appearance like she used to. We now live as brother and sister and I can't go on like this. I try to stay in shape and I haven't gotten my self fat. I know some people will say that if you really love your spouse, you'll still desire them no matter how fat they get. But I think this is very simplistic, and also very far from the truth. I know some men here will agree with me. The problem I have is that once I bring up the issue she explodes saying she has given me kids so how dare me tell her that she has gained weight, why won't she gain weight. She now has disgusting stretch marks all over her body, she is now very large with love handles all over her body, bloated belly, Double cheeks, Everything is just wrong. It is so bad that I can't even get it up when she touches me. I have spoken to some married friends. They all agree with me, the few that have agreed to talk back just said they all have girls outside and I should do same for my own good. I want to hold on but its no longer possible. What does a man do in this case?