₦airaland Forum

laplace12: Stop belittling yourself bro. Practice in every profession is beyong paper qualification.

In the labour market, I don't think anybody is indispensable. It will only cost a little more cash and inconvenience.

Acidosis: Shut up! If Doctors won't allow Pharmacists get PharmD degrees, then Doctors should stick to their acoustic stestoscope and syringe.

They have no place in Pharmacology, Pharmacognosy, Pharmaceutics, and anything Pharmaceutical. Medical Doctors do not produce drugs/vaccine; but ofcourse, you can digress and apply for a role in Pharmacy.

We have Engineers working in Banks; somehow, we call them "bankers", but their respective conscience tell them they are elective bankers

If you want to do banking; go and study banking and finance. If you must work in the Lab, go and buy Jamb form and take a science or medical laboratory course. If you must do drugs, go and buy JAMB form and apply for Pharmacy/Pharmacology or go do "agbo jedi" atleast

Acidosis: Shut up! If Doctors won't allow Pharmacists get PharmD degrees, then Doctors should stick to their acoustic stestoscope and syringe.

They have no place in Pharmacology, Pharmacognosy, Pharmaceutics, and anything Pharmaceutical. Medical Doctors do not produce drugs/vaccine; but ofcourse, you can digress and apply for a role in Pharmacy.

We have Engineers working in Banks; somehow, we call them "bankers", but their respective conscience tell them they are elective bankers

If you want to do banking; go and study banking and finance. If you must work in the Lab, go and buy Jamb form and take a science or medical laboratory course. If you must do drugs, go and buy JAMB form and apply for Pharmacy/Pharmacology or go do "agbo jedi" atleast

unfortunately for you, there's nothing you can do about where doctors decide to specialize. ....

Acidosis: Shut up! If Doctors won't allow Pharmacists get PharmD degrees, then Doctors should stick to their acoustic stestoscope and syringe.

They have no place in Pharmacology, Pharmacognosy, Pharmaceutics, and anything Pharmaceutical. Medical Doctors do not produce drugs/vaccine; but ofcourse, you can digress and apply for a role in Pharmacy.

We have Engineers working in Banks; somehow, we call them "bankers", but their respective conscience tell them they are elective bankers

If you want to do banking; go and study banking and finance. If you must work in the Lab, go and buy Jamb form and take a science or medical laboratory course. If you must do drugs, go and buy JAMB form and apply for Pharmacy/Pharmacology or go do "agbo jedi" atleast

unfortunately for you, there's nothing you can do about where doctors decide to specialize. ....

Stoical: Sorry, I had to quote you...Grow up and stop allowing ego eat you up. Who knows, you may not be so vilified. Really, you're important, so are others. Capiche!

amaham: pray no bomb goes off down south coz hospital Tinz no dey my mind . happy Allah sha

Festuskd: y d bomb no kill dat buhari self.?

Lenzz: Pictures?
This is why I always blame Mr. President's handlers as been lame, incompetent nd out of their depths.

So Jonathan calls GMB. That's a big deal. Release pictures of the President holding that landline phone, displaying all d emotions of sympathy nd support to d General. Sit back and watch d President's badly needed approval ratings soar, as he will be seen as a true leader who rose above party lines to reach out to number 1 face of opposition in his lowest times. That's maturity. Perception is evrything in ds game

In d act of political scheming nd media spin, you seize every opportunity that comes your way. Shame to Mr President's handlers for not seizing this one

9jahubcom: lets hope so....

okeyokeyjah: Take dem to nearby Country like Chard or Niger they re brother to Northerns

mallorca: You'll need to hold me hostage at gun point b4 i read this long crap

ichidodo: [color=#1980BC] Just a week ago after an intense firefight at a bauchi forest some high grade weapons cache along with incriminating documents were unearthed linking this menace to APC,so this sudden call or should we say plea to International bodies cannot or will not wash....Let the securitiy agencies continue their work and leave this supporters of APC to the gullible gallery,in the fullness of time arrests will be made... [/color]

ichidodo: [color=#1980BC] No need for international inquiry because the SSS are getting close,via their investigations and intelligience gathering,to unraveling the sponsors of this menace as it stands now not even United Nations can save you....Except ISIS.. [/color]

bumfem: U guys have sited this cooked up lies 1million times from NMA to MDCAN. Will the public really lose? No.....the public will gain while the doctors shall lose.

Morotov1: Your writeup is incoherent ..........and quite different from what is happening presently. Do some research or ask your superiors.
The word independent professional decision is really driving you over the edge.
Don't quote me again to ramble.

bumfem: If he needs to be a consultant to do that , so be it. He is a consultant in his own field ,Pharmacy .I really don't know why that should be your headache.

Can't somebody reason well for once .

phantom: honest to God my brother,i would be the last person to hinder another mans progress but after JOHESU got that judgemnt from the NIC,it is on record that a group of pharmacists invaded one of the wards in one of the teaching hospitals in the east(i will get the name.for some reason,people are reluctant to call the name of the place) and went on a prescription cancelling spree.
one of them cancelled a drug from a list of drugs that a cardilogist had penned down for a man in heart failure.reason that particular drug had terrible side effects and should have been replaced with something else.
now,he cancelled a drug without seeing the physician involved.he didnt even know WHETHER IT WAS ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF THAT SIDE EFFECT THAT THE PHYSICIAN PRESCRIBED THAT DRUG.
okay even if you dont give a rats a** about the physician,what of the patient? there must be a reason why that patient is on that drug. talking about side effects,the pharmacist knows it by theory,but the physician sees that effect in action.thats why when pharmacists speak of side effects i laugh.
granted,the pharmacists know drugs,they know the effect of the drug on the body AND the effect of the body on the drug BUT DOCTORS ON THE OTHER HAND IN ADDITION TO KNOWING A LITTLE OF WHAT THE PHARMACISTS KNOW,KNOW THE EFFECT OF A DISEASE PROCESS ON THE BODY A.K.A PATHOPHYSIOLOGY AND THE BODY'S RESPONSE TO THAT DISEASE PROCESS.
IN EFFECT SINCE WE KNOW THE PATHWAYS OF A DISEASE PROCESS,WE ARE ADEQUATELY SUITED TO KNOW WHEN TO BRING IN DIFFERENT DRUGS TO ACT AT DIFFERENT LINKS IN THE CHAIN.

so in effect the pharmacist knows his drugs and their effects but the doctor knows HOW to use those drugs to achieve results including exploiting side effects... that is the koko!

phantom: honest to God my brother,i would be the last person to hinder another mans progress but after JOHESU got that judgemnt from the NIC,it is on record that a group of pharmacists invaded one of the wards in one of the teaching hospitals in the east(i will get the name.for some reason,people are reluctant to call the name of the place) and went on a prescription cancelling spree.
one of them cancelled a drug from a list of drugs that a cardilogist had penned down for a man in heart failure.reason that particular drug had terrible side effects and should have been replaced with something else.
now,he cancelled a drug without seeing the physician involved.he didnt even know WHETHER IT WAS ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF THAT SIDE EFFECT THAT THE PHYSICIAN PRESCRIBED THAT DRUG.
okay even if you dont give a rats a** about the physician,what of the patient? there must be a reason why that patient is on that drug. talking about side effects,the pharmacist knows it by theory,but the physician sees that effect in action.thats why when pharmacists speak of side effects i laugh.
granted,the pharmacists know drugs,they know the effect of the drug on the body AND the effect of the body on the drug BUT DOCTORS ON THE OTHER HAND IN ADDITION TO KNOWING A LITTLE OF WHAT THE PHARMACISTS KNOW,KNOW THE EFFECT OF A DISEASE PROCESS ON THE BODY A.K.A PATHOPHYSIOLOGY AND THE BODY'S RESPONSE TO THAT DISEASE PROCESS.
IN EFFECT SINCE WE KNOW THE PATHWAYS OF A DISEASE PROCESS,WE ARE ADEQUATELY SUITED TO KNOW WHEN TO BRING IN DIFFERENT DRUGS TO ACT AT DIFFERENT LINKS IN THE CHAIN.

so in effect the pharmacist knows his drugs and their effects but the doctor knows HOW to use those drugs to achieve results including exploiting side effects... that is the koko!

drered: Same reason you need specialists in different fields of medicine. Same reason there are nurse anaesthetist and nurse oncologists and a wide array of other specialist nurses or you think pharmacy is not diverse enough? I see what NMA is doing though. Its the same reason the Pharm. D programme is being kicked against. Nigeria is not ready for enhanced pharmaceutical input in the hospitals or pharm. D programmes but somehow Nigeria is ripe for every other thing that suits the MD's

phantom: if you believe the bolded,then you ll believe anything. nigeria is not ripe for the bolded. the bolded is the ideal thing to do but as at today,have you seen any pharmacist counsel the doctors on drug use,polypharmacy etc

drered: Such ignorance. Expected though cos the word "Teamwork" is foreign to Nigerian MD's.. What independent decisions? Look. Nobody is trying to take "your patients" from you. The idea is for all of you to work collectively in improving patient care and therapeutic outcome. Everyone will have the scope of their duties clearly stated to prevent encroaching. The pharmacist will advise you on drug therapy, measure drug serum concentrations, manage medication regimens in polypharmacy, give inputs to optimise use of medication, identify potential and adverse drug reactions, give suitable alternatives in contra indications. The pharmacist still ends up running this by you. Basically, you put heads together and at the end improved therapeutic outcome!

Morotov1: Your understanding of my little writeup is very shallow.
Independent , interdisciplinary, professional are words that are not difficult to understand.
Independent decisions and input of a distinct professional who collaborate and work in an interdisciplinary team towards achieving a improved health for patients.
If NMA believe that he can make decision unbehalf of the nurse, pharmacist, scientists and physiotherapist in carrying out their independent duties to ensure the wellbeing of the patient, then they need serious evaluation of their priorities.
You also don't need consultant title to do yours, how about the attending doctor as in US.

Morotov1: Don't you also think that the patient will be more fulfilled and interested when he becomes aware that the care he is receiving is being rendered by an array of professionals from various disciplines whom also through improved qualifications, skills, competence, and experience had been conferred with the title of consultant by their employer to make independent interdisciplinarity decisions concerning his health using his/her area of expertise as a foot stool for proper management and return of the patient to optimum health.

Morotov1: This is not court of public opinion rather it is NMA opinion poll. As usual, you've stated your most pressing of all the 24 ultimatums given to FG.
So which one among them will even make the common man interested ?
Wonder what it will feel like working in such an environment with team workers in factions. Must be very suffocating and grossly unsatisfactory.