1forall:

There's a native saying I grew up hearing which goes 'A child thinks his father's farm is the largest until he visits his friend's father's farm'.

I have hypothetically said many times to friends that one way (although not practical) to accelerate the Nigerian revolution would be to take the masses, all 112 million of them, to developed nations to live for a short period of time just enough for them to take in how such societies are built, how they work and how citizens are generally regarded. The arrangement would be such that EVERY one of them would return back to Nigeria.

My brother, a revolution with maximum violence would commence immediately they return as people suddenly realize they'd been rammed up the asss with wooden stakes all their lives lol.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @ MAXIMUM VIOLENCE

Revolva: @poster wow your post is so long I got tired of reading but I must confess you said the right thing but not in a right manner-
Lagos of today is far more better and improved than lagos of 8years ago - were you not in lagos when there were molue at every corner even oshodi under bridge was a mess, no street signs no traffic lights no road sweepers - oga I beg o suffry siffry dey diss lagos oya enter ekiti state you. Will call lagos london lol

You are right. There's been improvements here and there especially environmentally which i rightly pointed out in my post. However i leave you to digest on this, this, "The view of the earth by a soaring Eagle is different from that of a flying Chicken".

Godogwu:

Dudeeee!!!! This is utter rubbish! and please stay back wherever you are next time aii. Like!, imagine the ode! You didnt see anything good in Nigeria?, you must live in heaven then..... ( '_')

I completely understand your frustration and sympathise with you, really. As they say, "if you cant debate them, smear them". A technique employed by the Nigerian govt, hence it is not unlikely it rubbed off on some.

otokx: I beg to differ with regards to education; if you go about Nigeria with the sense of i know my rights nobody can oppress me, educated air, you will just wake up in the next world and nobody will even remember that you are no more. What we need is a revolutionary leader who got the military in his pocket.

Lol! Otokx. I mean no disrespect when i say this line of reasoning is a by-product of the Nigerian situation. lol!! The military is what it is "The military". To defend territory against 'External aggressors'. Police is for internal issues. So you see, you reinforce 1forall's view. Its due to lack of education they do not know their place. We realy have to stop depending on them and praying for a coup as some do. They got us in this mess in the first place.

1forall: This is for discerning minds please.

The articulation of the writing is commendable, it was a great post which made enjoyable reading while effectively passing its message. However, disappointment was quick to follow as I began to read the comments which drew me back to the Nigerian reality.

The extent of the rot in our society today is that citizens have become 'stockholm syndromed' i.e hostages have become sympathetic with the cause of their captors and are doing what they can to see the captors achieve their purpose. I know we Nigerians have great capacity to think, but the ever-present and increasingly hard problems we face have warped our thinking. Hence the average Nigerian mind is ignorant, dysfunctional and operating in denial; focusing on that dim, distant hope that he too can 'make it' and join the band of those who have tormented him for so long.


Nigerian governments have strategically been dis-educating (apologies to Pius Adesanmi) the Nigerian citizen for decades. Our educational institutions have been left to rot and its no wonder that private Nigerian citizens spent ₦160b (more than the national budget for education) on education in Ghana in 2011, that they've spent even more in Europe and USA over the years, that we now have Nigerians studying in Turkey, Poland, Ukraine, Malaysia etc, that illiteracy figures have forever remained sky high, that education no longer holds the attraction it used to, that the youth are as you say; hopeless in the midst of opportunity, and that the average mind appears to reason upside down these days.

Thanks for the compliments. Your analysis of the situation is surgical with deadly precision. EDUCATION is the key. The leaders are scared of this, as they need look no further than 'Animal farm' to know the consequence of an educated populace.

otokx: @da mayor

you have not seen anything yet, Lagos is heaven where some other places like Port Harcourt, Warri, etc are, the mediocrity of Nigerians has so overwhelmed the populace they do not see beyond their noses. ACN is no different from PDP, its just that they have a lot of the media in their pocket.

Thats why i kept my observations mostly to Lagos since thats my domain. Maybe if i travelled to these places I could comment further. Youre spot on about the mediocrity. I watched the flood saga unfold and all i heard was distribution of money. Not one talk about technical solutions. Take for instance hurricane sandy that struck the US coast lately. while there were relief materials distributed, most effort was spent on Huge pumps all around the city pumping water out to sea, and reinforvement of dikes. In our case we were waiting for water to recede while sharing money (billions) in the name of "relief material".

obadiah777: SO ALL THOSE FINE PICTURES I SEE OF LAGOS AND THE MALLS AND LEKKI AND BANANA ISLAND AND MAGODO AND TINUBU SQUARE AND THE AIR CONDITIONED BUSES AND THE BUS LANES ETC ETC, ALL NA FILM TRICK I HAVE BEEN HAD BAMBOOZLED HOODWINKED DISCOMBOBULATED AND DECIEVED

Hi Obadiah, dont get me wrong. Some of the pictures are indeed genuine. However the problem is more of a system disfunction. You provide "air conditioned busses (Which im yet to see lol!) without good roads to drive them on. Build shopping mall without parking space, Establish Banana Island without good water transport (Oops i forgot, na private jet dey reign), build castles in the midst of abject poverty, etc...Our problems need tailor cut solutions and not copy and paste.

PBundles:

My Mayor and THIS is the MAIN problem that Nigeria faces. NO ACCOUNTABILITY. It is because of your frank and honest post that I even thought of responding. There is a disease that is destroying that country and can be seen in every level, rich/poor, educated/uneducated, north/south. I have labelled it DTMTT (DONT TELL ME THE TRUTH). This disease is one which if you see what is wrong DONT SAY IT: WHY, you will be labelled a rebel, non Nigerian, not patriot, an insulter, enemy of progress, how dare you, do you know who I am, you must be Yoruba, Ibo, Hausa and the list goes on.

And its because of this disease the leaders are able to do what they do, because this disease allows for no accountability. Hence the Police/Army can not be told they are wrong, politicians cant be told they are wrong, actually who can be told they are wrong without it not being seen as an insult. Due to this, as you rightfully pointed out, we have become use to accepting bronze (not even silver forget about gold).

Here is question I want every Nigerian to ask and answer honestly: Would you mind if your President stole some money or had corrupt cronies BUT at least helped the people/masses? I can guarantee you that 99% of Nigerians will see NO PROBLEM WITH THIS! And there lies the issue. Men, would you marry a woman that said I will do all you ask and be the perfect wife BUT every now and then I will sleep outside? Got you thinking know, the grey matter is warm right.

We have gotten to the point that we will accept the bare minimum. Shame on us, because if you ask this of an American or European they will say irrevocably without blinking HELL NO WAY! That is his job. Are we not surprised that most want to enter government, NOT to improve the situation but because it can lead to personal success. Nigeria leads the list of buyers of private jets mainly by Governors, while their indigenes can barely survive let alone ask for safety and freedom. We have senators that make more than the damn president of the United States for God Sake.

For those that say well MR BIG MOUTH what are YOU doing to change it, I say I cant do ANYTHING and nor can any other person UNTIL the tide changes. Until the masses declare enough is enough. There will be a revolution take my word. Whether it will be bloody or not time will tell. I may not even live to witness it though I pray I do, what a sight that will be. That Nigerians STOP thinking they are not valuable enough to deserve the up most best and DEMAND such from that great country.

Lol! @ DTMTT. Indeed it's also been displayed on this forum. About settling for Bronze, you couldnt have said it any better.

bigfat: Nigeria a developing and CAN NEVER BE COMPARED TO DEVELOPED COUNTRIES ...

But our President compared our anti corruption fight to that of America. And our state officials compare their development projects to those of "Developed countries". If you want to make such comparisons, be willing to accept global criticism.

Besides, the term "Developed" and "Developing" nations are just tags given by men. I dont believe its all about infrastructure. If not, where would you classify China? They have all infrastructure you can find in so called "Developed" countries. I believe all thats needed is a change of mindset in the right direction as seedord247 points out in his comparison.

Baba_Eleko: @op. . . . . See as you dey insult us (Nigerians) like say we be primary 1 pikin. As if say we no already know all these jagbajantis wey u dey feed us. U urself wey go Sampa for abroad all these years dey expect wetin Nigeria go do for you, What have you done for Nigeria?

I think this op is just seeking cheap attention.

Lol! I like your post. Actually, only "Primary 1 pikin's" see criticism as insult.
For what its worth, Nigeria has benefited from my foreign exchange remittance :-).

hardbody:

OK. So where are you now?

Would your story had been any different if you did not have a 'Nigeria' to come back to? A day will come when there will be no Nigeria and you will look back with nostalgia and wish for all those negative things that you have complained about. It is my hope that you have decided to stay back and throw in your massive support towards pulling our beloved country out of the present quagmire it has found itself. It is no use shouting from the roof top and telling the world how terrible it is to come back to this 'hell-hole' if after that, you crawl or sneak back to a system that is working perfectly because its people sat back in their own country to make things work. Let us not just bad-mouth this country, let us all come together to effect changes, positive changes.We have ALL that it takes to effect a turn-around....starting from the poster.

If i didnt love my country, i would not soo openly point out her faults, but leave her to self destruct. Criticism calls for self examination.
If you read my post carefully, I did mention how the change can come through each and every one of us making sacrifices. I believe education is the only remedy. I find it strange that i am abused and cursed on the road just because i stop for another motorist to get in line, or for a pedestrian to cross the street. Or that i am called a "Mumu" because i refuse to embezzle company/ govt money entrusted to me. These are acts "Ordinary Nigerians (Not politicians)" perpetuate daily, and unfortunately these group make up a "Critical mass", hence it is impossible for the minority to crowd them out. Any attempt will be met with stiff resistance, which could result in death. It is not my intention to cast down anyone, but to challenge their conscience (If there's any left)

Cyberknight: Nice piece. The part that I feel the most is that of the MMIA arrivals hall. MMIA is already a joke internationally for its horrible infrastrucutre, but if you've not sweated through your clothes (literally) in the arrivals hall, you've got no idea how bad it can be. Paris's Charles de Gaulle is virtually a city on its own, Heathrow makes you feel like you just arrived from a bush, and MMIA cannot even give airconditioning. How can you persuade a sweating foreign investor to put his money in here, even before you drive him along the bad Airport Road with the potholes at Ajao Estate junction and 7/8 Bustop and so forth? Before you get to the chaos of Oshodi with the road that trailers have driven grooves into, then you struggle to climb the bridge and get out of Gbagada traffic to hit 3rd mainland and so forth...Dante's "abandon all hope all ye who enter here" comes to mind.

Lol! You couldnt have said it better.

pDudd: Shebi they said Fashola is working.

"They said" just like "I Heard". However I went and "I Saw".

afam4eva: @OP

Some people will either label you a PDP agent or a tribalist if you're not Yoruba. The propaganda that the state and federal government have employed can only deceive people who don't live in Nigeria but not those of us who live in Lagos. Some people accused me of tribalism for airing my personal view on the Lagos beauty thread was i was undeterred to speak the unadulterated truth. What even annoys me more is that citizens and residents of Lagos are helping the Lagos government to spread this falsehood. I wonder if they're paid to do so or if they're just doing it because they've never seen anything as good as the little that Fashola has done when compared to his predecessors who have no business walking free without being shot in the eye. Thank God you've come back to experience for yourself the shame the shame that Nigeria has become. People can keep spreading falsehood but those of us that are patrtiotic will keep saying truth without minding whose ox is gored or caring that we'll be labelled chauvinists.

Welcome to Nigeria...Goodbye from Nigeria.

Run as far as your legs can take you.

Ekene diri Chineke...

I suppose youre right. I will not be the first to face persecution for speaking the plain truth. If we keep running, then hoodlums will keep running the show.

Well I suppose you prefer Genghis Khan?

It was meant to be a pleasant trip back home after a while abroad. As with everyone in my shoes I was quite excited, especially after all I’d heard (I emphasize ‘heard’) about gallant strides made by Mr. Goodluck Jonathan (representing the Federal Republic of Nigeria) and Mr. Babatunde Raji Fashola (representing Lagos State Government). And so I got on a plane, destination Nigeria, all smiles on my face. Well, I didn’t have to leave Murtala Muhammed International Airport (MMIA) before those smiles began to whither. T

The baggage arrival hall of the MMIA can best be described as ‘hell fire’ preparatory room. With the intense heat in that hall, it is amazing no one ever faints on arrival. However, I must commend the customs and NDLEA people for sparing my luggage the usual pretense search in hope for a ‘settlement’ (though I noticed them staring in my direction, but I guess after the grueling torture I had endured at the immigrations/ baggage hall, my face didn’t encourage such).

Coming out of the airport, it was business as usual. Cars parked in places clearly marked ‘NO PARKING’. Shamefully, even ‘oyibo’ knew the routine of greasing the hands of the police officers tasked with enforcing the NO Parking policy, blatantly causing untold hardship to law abiding motorists who make use of the designated car park. This was obviously not a good sign giving the ‘touted’ ongoing police reforms. I must state at this point, it is a huge joke if those in government believe that structure can become a ‘Hub’ for the sub region given its dilapidated state, and its lack of basic amenities and services found in major international airports worldwide. Anyway, I was not going to allow this little setback mould my opinion of the government, even though these lapses gave me reason enough to do so.

The ride out of the airport was heart breaking. The government’s media propaganda began to fall apart before my very eyes on day one. A road meant to be the pride and joy of the nation was its shame and disgrace. It was Littered with countless pot-holes, and commercial vehicles operating with reckless abandon under the watchful eyes (blessing) of law enforcement agents. It’s a literal case of spreading our dirty laundry in public view. I believe charity begins at home, and you cannot be talking about foreign investors when you cannot guarantee basic social amenities.

Veering off into state roads, I began to wonder what all the praise singing was all about. Had Lagosians been so intimidated into singing state government praise songs? I was, and am still yet to point my finger on one genuine people oriented policy of this administration. Few weeks into my vacation, I developed a good mind to pack up and return to my adopted home, with a genuine aim to convert it to a permanent one. Sadly, for the same reason which has kept many of our best and brightest brains in foreign lands.

Lagosians can best be described as a people under siege by the Action Congress of Nigeria ACN (popularly called Asiwaju Company of Nigeria) government. Daily living in fear of being ‘Caught’ by state empowered agents (even though some could best be described as thugs) for just going about their business. “Oga we catch you dey do this”, “Madam we catch you dey do that”. One day Lagosians will begin to get caught for just walking the streets (don’t think it’s a ludicrous suggestion, as we are gradually being caged in the name of toll gates). The new state traffic law which can best be described as draconian serves to further oppress the people, leaving us at the mercy of LASTMA, KAI, and the many uniforms I couldn’t keep track of. With clauses like jail term for first time traffic offenses, while corrupt public officials get a pat on the back for embezzlement, it’s easy to imagine the caliber of people in leadership.

Before you take me for a PDP hired gun, the only reason the Lagos state government is at the receiving end is because I’m a citizen by birth and naturalization hence am well within my rights to express my candid opinion. Let me cease this opportunity to commend the Lagos state government on the environmental beautification taking place. However if we are to seriously consider the facts, we will realize that the government has not been sincere. How can a reasonable government lease/sell the serene water view (which should be public space) of Ozumba Mbadiwe to cronies for purpose of building hotels, and relegate Lagosians to under bridge parks in the middle of nowhere. Lagosians cannot even walk public beaches in their country without paying exorbitant fee. What freebie do we actually receive from the government? I have been fortunate to travel and live in a few West African and European countries, and have never paid to walk a beach. That’s a story for another day.

Nigerians have to be one of the easiest set to govern. Just throw in a pacifier every once in a while to calm their nerves. Come to think of it, there’s nothing wrong with pacifying the people. However our government’s idea of a pacifier isn’t tax breaks or policy change that impacts positively on the ordinary man, rather its increasing fuel prices to divert attention from subsidy probes, or threatening to introduce five thousand (5000) naira notes to take away attention from pressing issues such as corruption, embezzlement, bad governance etc. Basically, introducing punitive measures for daring to question them. This is a tried and tested weapon employed by the Nigerian government and seems to work all the time. Our only form of leadership is turning a blind eye to everything provided it doesn’t affect their (Politicians) businesses or interests.

Governments around the world carry out reforms, but our idea of reforms is introducing policies to breed new monsters which facilitate corruption. How else do you explain the many parastatals and commissions littered around states, and most notoriously the federal capital territory, sometimes with incoherent functions? All equipped with Chairman, director et al. occupying gigantic buildings which have to be serviced and maintained.

It is a common sight to see staff of these ‘monsters’ at home on working weekdays, or attending to their own private businesses while waiting for ‘allocation’ to arrive. The Chairmen of these commissions are mostly nothing but ‘government boys’ who have been compensated for loyalty to the ruling party.

I couldn’t help but listen to the modus operandi of one of such commissions (NDDC) as highlighted by the governor of Akwa-Ibom state (Godswill Akpabio) during the just concluded silver jubilee celebration of the state, broadcast live on satellite television, as he opened a can of worms by giving a detailed description of how deep corruption is entrenched in the commission with respect to contract allocation and performance. Till this day, I am not aware of any investigation launched by the various anti corruption agencies concerning his allegations.

The people of Lagos state, and indeed Nigerians have been so consumed by their daily struggles that they seem to have lost their sense of humanity. How else do you explain senseless hatred road users exhibit towards each other daily? Policemen incarcerating innocent citizens because he/she refused to part with a bribe? Security men at fast food joints and banks incessantly requesting a tip for ushering you in? And the cold blooded murder by the Aluu clan, of four students of the University of Port Harcourt, which has become known as the Alu 4 (one of many murders we as a nation must surely account for)? As we can see, these are pure cases of the ordinary man’s inhumanity to his kind. What has become of the mantra “do unto others as you would have others do unto you?” I believe the change we seek starts with me and you. The way we treat our fellow citizens on the streets, our colleagues at work place, etc, does go a long way in shaping society.

I dare say that Nigerians deserve the government we get. Majority of which are beneficiaries of the corrupt system, either directly or indirectly. Inwardly endorsing the corrupt ways as it puts food on the table, and outwardly condemning it. Little wonder people cannot protest when three expensive toll gates are put on their 46km stretch daily route. Or when I have to pay money to park at the airport and the roads in the car park serves only to damage my car. Or when touts (also known as area boys, however I choose to use the term criminals) extort Nigerians daily, and return a large chunk of their loot to their government god fathers.

Oh!! I weep for my people. In the words of Genghis Khan, “I (punitive leaders) am the punishment of God. If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you”. I am inclined to believe this is the situation we find ourselves.

In summary, a vast majority of our leaders are wicked. Fitting the biblical description of Satan. Coming only to steal, kill and destroy (all of which have been done to our beloved country). It would be a sad thing, and an injustice indeed to go through this man made hell here in Nigeria and end up in hell fire with this caliber of leaders. I am convinced the hottest part of hell awaits such people.

People who divert money meant to alleviate suffering of the poor and convert it to personal use. People who channel free drugs donated by foreign governments meant to support HIV patients, and sell them at exorbitant prices to the sick and afflicted. People who drive their exotic cars (and private jets as seems to be the norm) bought with ill-gotten wealth in the midst of abject poverty, and foolishly drive them on roads/ airports they have neglected. People who allocate phony road contracts knowing nothing will be done only to embezzle money. People who refuse to implement meaningful policy for fear of their loot source being cut off.

To such I ask; what has become of your conscience? How can you take a dump where you sleep/eat!!!!! As much as the white man promotes corruption abroad (so we claim), he can never bring it home as that’s where he will retire. That’s the home of his wife and kids. For our leaders, it’s the opposite.

Nigeria indeed is a land of opportunity. I know a man who was worth twenty naira in year 1999, and today is one of the world’s richest men. I know few others who run major corporations without any history of a start up. There has to be something about these types of opportunity. Opportunities that don’t follow the laws of nature. I leave you to guess what has fuelled these ‘all of a sudden’ success stories. Little wonder the youth are no longer interested in a formal education, as they have figured out the formula to instant success.

I have taken time to read biographies of success stories worldwide, and found that they have one thing in common, ‘History’. Men and women who started from humble beginnings, working hard to grow businesses into major corporations. I compare with my Nigerian entrepreneurs and what I see is instant success stories with no history. Probing further, you find that the chairman or directors consist of ‘former governor’, ‘former minister’, ‘former government official’, etc. Indeed our anticorruption agencies have their work cut out.

The rate, magnitude, and impunity at which corruption is perpetuated in Nigeria is second to none. Mildly put, if we were in a marathon, Nigeria can afford to take a whole day rest without fear of being sighted. Hence it is quite laughable and insulting when Mr. President tells Nigerians and the world that our war against corruption is second only to the United States (still laughing as I type this). Let’s take a basic case that affects us all. I heard the National Electrical Regulatory (NERC) boss publicly state that the Power Holding Company of Nigeria (PHCN) service charge is illegal. However, Nigerians are still mandated to pay this absurd bill. It is not rocket science to figure that some ‘oga’ is benefiting from this charge, hence the inability of government and its regulatory agencies to curb this extortion.

What has become of our power probes? Petroleum subsidy probes? And other such spectacles as I choose to call them?

Despite all these short comings, deep down in the heart of most Nigerians in Diaspora, there is a strong desire to return home. To be around friends and loved ones. To not be bothered by freakish weather, extreme boredom, racism, and all the ‘abroad inconveniences’. That is why we follow developments back home with keen interest. Hoping to hear news that will encourage our desire to return home. Unfortunately, everyday outdoes the previous with respect to bad and absurd news. Boko haram trying to outdo MEND, Aluu clan trying to outdo boko haram, corruption trying to employ more people, ‘million man armed robbery gang’ terrorizing a state, state finance ministry broken into and all files and backups carted away while the police argued which post had jurisdiction to respond, petrol subsidy saga still playing out while culprits are still handed fresh allocations, fuel scarcity becoming a normal way of life, Pastor competing with business men, the list goes on. Is it too much to ask for a better life?

Ours is a peculiar case that defies logic. There is a complete feeling of hopelessness among the youth in the midst of opportunity, lack in the midst of plenty, and thirst in the midst of the rivers. If this isn’t a curse/ punishment, then I have never seen one. My pen has ceased to write as it weeps for my country men and women.

Indeed, only God can save from such mess!!

That would be the Apostle Paul. Next would be William Marrion Branham whose favourite quote was, "live me Christ, dont preach me Christ". Coming back to Nigeria, Pastor Moses Alu stands out.

Seriously guys, this has got to be a huge joke? This picture doesnt prove a thing. I could stand in front of Aso rock and take a photo, doesnt make it my home...Oh Nigerians. Please put on your thinking caps and do away with sentiments. The same sentiments that made Aluu murder young men before thinking

I thought this is the reason we have courts? It will be unfair to condemn the man based on this one sided argument? As much as i do not support trampling on the helpless, lets be objective when posting stuff here. I will assume the Lady has confidence in the system to resolve this issue, hence has petitioned the Police? Let the law take its course...

I would have to agree with poster. Jesus asked a valid question to his disciples even after they had been following him for months: "Who do you say i am"?? from their answers, it is obvious people were and still follow Jesus but dont know who he is. He was and is Jehovah manifest in flesh (1Tim3:16)right before their very eyes. From the bible, it is obvious Jehovah takes upon a name to signify his move at any point in time. The name Jesus (Yahshuah in Hebrew) simply translated means "Jehovah saves". He is in the business of saving now. When he returns according to revelation 19:11-12, He will come with a new name only him knows....Hope this helps

Tissue is a western thing. As we know, they are not the best to borrow hygiene from, considering the fact that taking showers is still strange to them. Na beg before them even begin to brush teeth. I keep a pack of minty gum in my bag just because of them.
I guess the underwear is the best judge in this matter.

This is his family/personal issue, and as much as i feel his pain, this news has no business being in public sphere. How does this change the price of Garri in the market? When will Nigerians be liberated from this mentality?

speedyboi:

In an ideal environment, when a law is laid down....it means a warning, so if you break it...the right penalty will be given.

If they should be preventing them as u said, they will do it a hundred times more (is it nt nigerians?).....nigerians need force, if not there ear will not hear word. Afterall the force sef, are they not still breaking the law.
So from what you are saying now, if someone wants to steal or kill, and he was caught before the act....they should just let him go abi?

Dear speedyboi, apparently discretion is applied in implementing such laws. The point dammytosh is making is that Nigerian laws are not corrective but punitive by nature. Yankee police catches you speeding doesnt mean yankee police will give you ticket. He looks at the circumstances surrounding the situation and decides if its worth a ticket. In Nija, theres no sign post saying "ONE WAY", but LASTMA and thugs lay in wait for you to enter ignorantly, and then pounce on you. Definitely this is wrong. Just pray you dont fall victim to this else you would be swallowing your words.

"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries".....Robert Jastrow (American astronomer, physicist, cosmologist and leading NASA scientist)

redsun:

That makes it better. All those sectors that are not working need to work. And people like and i need to do it. Jobs are not created by angels,neither are developed ecocomies.

When they call us ni.ggers we get angry but in the true sense,we think and act like ni.ggas by running away from our fundamental responsibities. Irrespective of academic backgrounds,we still cannot pitch our tent,except on oyinbo layed patches.

As much as I or anyone may frown at the name label, its the undiluted truth. I always say when asked for advice, if youre not a citizen, student, or on company head, youve got no business loitering around oyibo land.

"Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same: the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy."

"There is a strange ring of feeling and emotion in these reactions [of scientists to evidence that the universe had a sudden beginning]. They come from the heart whereas you would expect the judgments to come from the brain. Why? I think part of the answer is that scientists cannot bear the thought of a natural phenomenon which cannot be explained, even with unlimited time and money. There is a kind of religion in science; it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the Universe. Every event can be explained in a rational way as the product of some previous event; every effect must have its cause, there is no First Cause. … This religious faith of the scientist is violated by the discovery that the world had a beginning under conditions in which the known laws of physics are not valid, and as a product of forces or circumstances we cannot discover. When that happens, the scientist has lost control. If he really examined the implications, he would be traumatized."

"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.".......Robert Jastrow (American astronomer, physicist, cosmologist and leading NASA scientist)
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I have always insisted that its not by force to be a Christian. If you want to "Follow", then be ready to submit to the doctrine. Paul (whom i suppose you believe to be the Apostle to the gentiles) categorically outlines the role of the women in the Church of Christ (1Chro14:34-36 and 1Tim2:11-14).
There is no ambiguity in these statements. No room for sentiments and logic. Women can certainly express the gifts of the spirit, but Authority (5 fold ministry of Apostle, Pastor, Evangelist, Teacher & Prophet) in the Church of Jesus Christ must be Man. Bishops and Deacons also refered to as "Husband of". Examples abound:

God referred to as HE
Angels referred to as HE
Levites all HE
Apostles all HE
Judas replaced by HE(and not Mary and co who were there) etc

Paul concludes:
"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. BUT IF ANY MAN BE IGNORANT, LET HIM BE IGNORANT"...1Chor14:37-38

"in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God"...John16:2b

Danka7777:

Stop these nonsense! Brainwashed Nigerians who don't even know who Jesus was.

Since you seem to know, do you mind sharing with me?

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3kay945:
what is the meaning of this?.

The meaning my friend is that you should ask who your father is.

namfav:
can you explain the reprisal attacks on sunday which were also celebrated on nairaland on innocent people working in the street?

If you read my previous posts, you will realise i condemned this act as it only cummulates in a cycle of unending violence.

onatisi:
how i wished ur father or mother was among those killed or better still all ur children maybe u will be saying all this arrant nonsense

My Father (The Lord Jesus Christ) was led to the slaughter. Like a Lamb, he didnt resist or curse even when he had power to call down fire from above. At the point of His death, He left his murderers with a blessing, not a curse. What greater example do i need? You wish me bad even when i have done nothing against you, you leave me with no doubt concerning your paternity.

crusifis:

NO DEY TALK DIS KIND NONSENSE, ALL DIS DEEPER LIFE PEOPLE SEF, SIDON THERE MAKE DEM KILL U, OR BETTER STILL, GO OUT AND PREACH TO DOSE ANIMALS AND SEE WAT HAPPENS TO U, NA PEOPLE LIKE U, DEY MAKE DIS FOOL GET MOUTH

I see your blood is on fire, unfortunately for the wrong cause. You will do better to channel that energy towards reaching the throne of mercy, else the Devil will put it to good use on a battle field, leaving you maimed, or worse, dead.

crusifis:

HOMMIE FUCVK U. 4K UR MUM AND DAD. GO BACK TO HISTORY IDIOT, IF THE XTIANS (CATHOLIC) DIDNT ORDER CRUSADES AND WARS AGAINST DOSED 4KED UP MUSLIMS, WHERE WOULD WE HAVE BEEN NOW? AFTER ALL GOD TOLD DAVID, SAMSON, SAUL TO GO AND FIGHT WARS. AND IN THE DAYS OF JESUS, THE ROMANS WERE ALREADY FIGHTING WARS

Well, you allocating the title "Christians" to them doesnt make them Christians.Only one way to find out; "By their FRUITS (Not name) you shall know them". God bless you

esajay1:

Am sure you are not in Kaduna.

Yes I certainly am not in Kaduna, and im grateful to God for that. If i recall your scripture well, it says "a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God"(John 16:2). Your Lord knew this would happen thats why he asked that you love those who persecute you. What has your celebrated reprisal brought you? only more bloodshed. Its a vicious cycle my friend. You can only fight evil with good, else the cycle continues.

Anyone who sheds blood in the name of Jesus Christ is MOST CERTAINLY not of Christ (without apology). If you claim to be born of the spirit, you can only take on the genes of your father. Our Father (Christ)never killed anyone or commanded anyone killed. Instead this was his charge:
"LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, BLESS THEM THAT CURSE YOU, DO GOOD TO THEM THAT HATE YOU, AND PRAY FOR THEM WHICH DESPITEFULLY USE, AND PERSECUTE YOU. Those were the charges of My Father. If you do otherwise, YOU ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, FOR HE WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINING.
I would appreciate if my muslim colleagues could see their Father in that light.