YoungLionken:
Why's he surprise??

Freeze is no demon you know...

You don't get the gist. He criticizes big pastors here in Nigeria but he hangs around one that is very controversial with money. But we all know that the pastor Tobi spends and sprays a lot...

etrange:


Yes, I did debate in secondary school. I didn't even think of it till you mentioned it.

Yeah... I used to teach French as a hobby when I was in Nigeria. Now, I just go to Nairaland French threads to assist those learning whenever I'm free. You should learn, it really does open doors of opportunity.

Oh! There are french threads on nairaland? You mind sending some links?

Btw, how did you learn and for how long?

etrange:


Yes, it is a debate. I'm not turning it into one, we both are already debating and there's absolutely nothing with that. Debating is not fighting. And, for on-readers, I will address every point in a longer epistle even if you don't read it or reply. There's unequal treatment. However, if one party wants it to remain this way and would usually call out anyone that seek quality as "bitter feminist", it because the inequality tips in thier favour. Differences are not necessarily inequality. They're only termed inequality when they don't balance out or when there is no justification for thier existence. I went to a military school where girls and boys were punished alike, and boys got more frequently punished because they had a higher tendency to commit offenses. Did the girls die?

You said boys are expected carter for the family and, therefore, they go through a lot. That absolutely is true. And that is the equality I'm talking about. It doesn't really favour the ladies. Making it the responsibility of men to take care of the family takes away the woman's say in how things should go in the family; after all, she's being taken care of. It undermines her need to seek the highest level of education or go out there to explore and build skills; after all, all she needs is a man to take care of her. It makes her leadership skills questionable; women don't take cater for a home, how can you trust them to take care of your business like a man?

Today, even the men have to come to realise that this isn't working, they now want to change the women without realizing that would imply changing themselves too. You hear men say "what is she bringing to the table?" If the current status quo was great, men wouldn't be asking this. The problem is that they don't know that for women to bring something to the table, men have to come home and take turns to do grocery, cook, bathe the kids, do laundry, etc. The society has configured them to make doing these things look like a taboo, so they're stuck. they really need the women to bring something to the table, but they're not ready to live that lifestyle, and that is why they usually have issues with thier wives when they travel abroad.

Again, the prison yard cannot be used to judge because the women that get fair treatment there don't get that simply because the prisoners are fair. They pay with thier bodies. It disgusts me to use that as a comparison, honestly. It's outrightly insensitive and unfair to any hardworking woman. Violence is bad regardless of the aggressors gender. Yes, people have the tendency to support anyone that is physically weaker (you see that in football, in war, in fight, etc). That is because they believe the stronger one could easily defend themself. This does not mean that when you see a visibly stronger woman hitting a man, they'll look the other way. They say 'do not hit a woman' cause men have a higher tendency of beating up women, so the saying had to be specific. But it doesn't mean hitting me is okay just like "black lives matter" does not mean white lives do not matter. It's all about addressing the current status. When the equality I speak of is in place, everyone is protected, men and women alike.

Both men and women fight wars in the military. This shows that when it comes to fighting wars, both genders are good to go. In extreme cases, civilian men of certain ages are drafted in to fight while the women get to decide if they want to. Here is the reason "If a population loses 90% of males in a war or a catastrophe, theoretically, it can be back to its prewar size within one generation. This is because women give birth to babies and not men. While a single male can help conceive a large number of babies in a short period of time, a woman can carry and give birth to only one baby at a time. So if a population loses 90% of males, it could completely recover within a generation. If a population loses 90% of females it is done for. From a population survival point of view men are expendable, women are not. That’s about it. All the other differences and specificities of men (size, strength etc.) are rather irrelevant after this point".

Now, let's talk about the Western world. The law does not say that the man must share "his wealth" with the woman. Rather, it says that a partner must pay the other for "opportunities lost" in the event of separation. Normally, the working or richer partner pays off the non working partner regardless of gender. The amount paid is dependent on the income difference and the reason for that difference. If you marry a graduate, and all she does is stay at home, cook for you, do laundry, clean the house, raise your kids, etc. instead of going out there to make money, how on earth do you think it's justifiable to just wake up one morning and kick her out of that home without a penny? When she has dedicated her life to building this home and lost all her chances of making money out there? If she was not a graduate, which means she wouldn't have made a lot of money anyway, the money you pay reduces. If she was earning less because she had to be home early to do these chores, the money even goes down more. If both of you were earning the same and did equal house keeping tasks, you don't pay a dime. If she earning more and you had to do things like to school run cause she was always busy, she would pay you. If you guys don't want this law to apply at all regardless of the situation, you sign a prenup, and no one gets paid. I can give you a list of famous women who have had to pay thier husbands including Jennifer Lopez. The law is gender agnostic. If men tend to pay more, it's because of the earning gap and that's why you must support getting rid of gender bias.

Gender inequality is dangerous to the society. It does not allow us harness the best of our best. It has negative effects on the growth mindset of our ladies and inhibits them from aiming higher. Today, our men want to be helped at home, but they don’t want to help at home. The problem is that people see it as "they vs us". That is why you assumed I'm a lady. You're obviously trying to defend men against this lady. The herd mentality is not helping. I'm not a lady. I'm a man and I want the gender bias out cause I've seen what a society could be like in the absence of it.

Wait... It's like you debated in secondary school.

I can't do this with you abeg. I tire.

That aside, your signature says you teach French. I want to learn o.

etrange:


First, I was talking about the African society where women are excluded from inheritance; where a man sleeps around with no judgement and the ladies he sleeps with get shamed; where a man could easily bring in another wife at will; where a man can decide to kick out his wife of 20 years who has invested all her time in raising his kids without giving her a penny; where a man cheats and we look the other way, but scream when a woman does; where a man is good to live alone after the age of 18 but a 28 year old woman living alone is called a hoe; where a lady is not supposed to earn more than her man; where women are expected to follow instructions and respectful wives; where certain high positions are reserved for men; where women are expected to learn how to cook and take care of the man while the men pursue thier dreams home and abroad; where single women are not supposed to be too rich or they won't get a man; where women are judged by their dressing; where married women are expected to cut off thier friends after marriage while the men keep thiers; where boys will always be boys and have thier usual evening out while girls are expected to grow into women and come back home early to cook and clean; the list is endless. Let's not even talk about the fate women in the North. You just see these things as normal because, as humans, we only notice injustice when it's against us.

With these long epistles, you are turning this into a debate. Like I said, the society is ridden with different shades of inequalities.

There are unequal treatment of all genders. Virtually everything you reeled out here quite literally have their fare share of cons for both genders

In this same Africa, boys are expected to be the ones to face the toughest and harshest chores. In schools, boys are subjected to the harshest forms of punishments whilst girls are protected.

Boys/men are expected to be the ones who cater for the family financially and materially; he is a failure if he is unable to do that. Whereas, it's fine if the woman can be jobless and does nothing but harvest from the man's hard work. Isn't this why the female folks today can comfortably sham a man for not being rich while they themselves are penniless.

It's a societal tilt. This is obvious. It's not an advantage of any specific gender.

You keep making reference to prison and criminals, what you failed to realise is that treating women with soft hands in prisons is a man's idea of showing superiority. You don't judge the society with the way men treat female prisoners they're probably sleeping with.

You don't deny honest women all privileges men enjoy and turn around to tell them you treat the criminal ones better. They don't care how you treat the criminals. Those criminals don't represent the female gender.

Man's idea of showing superiority is to help the female folks subvert justice? This isn't plausible!

Well, prisons are a microcosm of the society. Criminals are literally humans like you too. It's discriminatory and demeaning of them to say people in correctional facilities don't represent the female gender.

These prisons posit a vivid picture of our society. The female folks are naturally treated more tenderly. It's just a societal fact! It seems like a systemic discrimination against the male gender. This is what we have everywhere.

Isn't this the philosophy behind the "never hit a woman" rule. When a woman hits a man in public, it feels normal. No one really cares. But when a man hits a woman, he is an jerk. Even fellow men would charge at him.

When war breaks out, even the weakest of men are compelled to take up arms. Women, on the other hand, are protected. The strongest of women have a choice.

Lady, these things are obvious. No need to be infantile with some victim mentality. The society is fraught with fare shares of inequalities on both genders.

And for the West, there's no part of the law that is written to favour women. None at all. What you guys see as favoring women is the absence of the gender biase you're already used to. You can't hit someone or cheat on them or do whatever you like without consequences and this goes to both genders. That's a step towards equality.

You are not on that side of the divide, so I'm not surprised these things aren't apparent to you.

Actually, men at the recieving end of Western laws (particularly USA and the UK).

For instance, their court precedents regarding divorce require that both parties equally share of the family's fortunes and properties. Hence, men who have laboured to build a fortune suddenly have to forfeit a reasonable portion of their wealth to a "divorce" mostly initiated by the women in the marriage.

Severally, men have been at the recieving end of the harshness of the law. Read up the story of the Ivorian football, Emmanuel Ebuoe who lost his wealth and career to a divorce...

Society has a fair share of inequalities for both genders. It's rather infantile to pick a side and build victimhood on it.

We can be more humanistic and holistic. Bracket your existential biases and see things for what they are!

You will not fail!

By God's grace, you will thrive and do well. Nigeria will be better for it. Wicked men with wicked and selfish agenda for the country would be exposed and disgraced.

etrange:


That society is definitely not on Nairaland. If you've spent more than a few months on this app, you'd definitely know how the female gender gets bashed for EVERYTHING. If the female rapists get away, it's because the overamplified masculine ego. The society is not fairer to ladies as you'd like to believe. They only give women a pat on the back like kids while making sure they remain powerless and obedient. That's no being fair, that's superiority complex. When it comes to where equality really matters, women still get the short end, and this is supported by both the religion and the culture.

But of course, let's not derail the thread. Let's love the man who destroyed his marriage. He must be going through a lot.

This is a parochial view. It's good for us to be temperate with our arguments as much as possible.

We've seen female murderers and criminals pampered and crowned beauty queens while their male counterparts are tortured. This is obvious and it is not "a pat on the back."

The European societies are, for instance, structured to favour the women. Their laws are tilted to pamper women.

In summary, there are inequalities in the society. Some aspects of it tilt to favour the female gender, while some favour the male.

It's rather parochial and fallacious to pick a gender.

etrange:


Always a soft landing for the man. If it was Kim that messed up thier marriage like this, all of you would have shouting women! These hoes are not loyal!! Once a hoe, always a hoe!!! Now, it's the man, and we must not dislike him. We should pamper him and pray for him. Bias.

You are being unfair now.

If any gender gets a soft landing, it's women. The society naturally are milder towards women.

Have you seen how female rapists and criminals are treated compared to male counterparts?

Please don't divert the thread.

micholo123:
I am surprised that they terminate account for similar titles because there are several similar titles with different authors on Amazon

Hello. How far? Have you reinstated your account now?

baralatie:

Sex cannot cure porn addiction!
Hmmm


What is porn what is sex

I don't even know how to answer your question.

But it is quite lucid that porn isn't the same thing as sex. It's like asking "what weed what is good?"

nkemoma:
People de die to watch your wife NUDE. You had the full raw version yet e no do you...

Wetin man want for this life?

Sex doesn't cure porn addiction. No amount of fantasy living can cure an addiction. You have to fix the addiction first.

God1000:
He's an unstable man, he behaves so weird sometimes, I started disliking him since the day he announced his support for Donald trump.

So many african americans don't like him, I think he has mental problem

Don't dislike him. He could be going through a lot... In fact, it seems he is. We pray he finds healing...

Owopariola001:


It's called PERSONIFICATION.

The purpose is to make the statement colorful and imaginative.

This personification or which?

personification
/pəˌsɒnɪfɪˈkeɪʃ(ə)n/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1.
the attribution of a personal nature or human characteristics to something non-human, or the representation of an abstract quality in human form.
"the book provides a sustained account of how literary personification works"
2.
a figure intended to represent an abstract quality.
"the knight is accompanied by two feminine personifications of vice"

Don't fall my hand, trying to defend the indefensible. It's stark ridiculous.

A personification would have been "the Bible taught us of our tongues." Not that "we INHERITED tongues from the Bible." The Bible (the book) is inactive as regards our tongues. If anything, we only read and learn from it. We don't inherit from it.

That's rather sloppy. It's apparently so.

Owopariola001:
Was he wrong?

Is there any other historical book with a history that has an earlier timeline of speaking in different tongues other than the Bible?

And by the way, his statement is about the story of "The Tower of Babel."

I wonder how y'all claimed to be "Christians" but ignorance, hatred, and bias made you forget your Book of Genesis 11:1–9

It is also a shame that many people don't even know that "Tongue" can be used synonymously as "Language."

If you can't use your brain, the joke is on you.

You came out intelligent. But, pause a second, let's engage.

Did we INHERIT speaking in languages from the Bible? Or the Bible only documented how different languages emerged?

Don't you see no fault at all with the use of language, the coherence and fluidity of that communication? Was that totally sound, to you?

tonyuny12:


Same things ordinary or regular citizens like you termed it are doing for other candidates but it's seen a vote buying and insults are rained daily by the Obidients for same thing they are doing.

"Vote buying" means paying people money to vote for a specific candidate on an election date. It means paying people bro vote for someone.

This one is not vote buying. It's just private candidates doing their own campaign...

tonyuny12:


They use same tactics like other parties, yet one is seen as vote buying and the other seen as an act of philanthropy.

May we never perish in the sea of deception because of religious, ethnical and party sentiment.


Hypocrites everywhere

The case here is that it is regular citizens like you that are "campaigning" with their own resources... They aren't politicians. They have no stake in Obi's government (if he wins). They are just doing their best to ensure the ideal candidate comes in.

KingKO22:
Why is it that whenever you mention vote for antecedents and experience the yeboo will think you are referring to Tinubu ?

Vote for antecedents and experience
Cityboy for president

Lol. Only people who don't stay in Lagos would think Lagos is a lighthouse.

Pandev:
basically we all wish. I don't have evidence that it doesn't exist, you don't have evidence that it exists. So rest

The thread was a Christian thread. You came on it with your quixotic, frenzied search for some proof. Now, you are the one asking someone to rest.

BeardGangJnr1:

But u guys claimed God created us in his own image....and since he exist outside science, space and matter....where does he now exist

If you create something to look like you, there's no how that thing can be you in stature, nature, and ability. It's only "in your image." Not your person.

Space, time, and matter isn't all there is to existence.

The black hole, for instance, is beginning to refute traditional ideas on space time and matter. Time slows down (or even reverses) around it. Matter on it's surface suddenly gets consumed by nothingness.

BeardGangJnr1:

Since God created heaven and Earth,
, so where was God staying before he created it?
Where did God come From??
And who created God himself??
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.
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Untill u can answer this.... heaven and hell is just a illusion

Lol. Your human brain is too limited to comprehend God.

God exists outside time, space, and matter. Man is the one that exists in time, space, and matter as we know it.

God doesn't need to stay somewhere to exist. Existence itself stays in God.

God is not man. You can attribute to Him the features and limitations of man.

Mufakirnaqdiun:

Oga prove their existence and stop fooling yourself here.
Why don't you believe Spiderman, Santa Claus are real.

Leave English,and my punctuation cos I'm bad at that,but when it comes to critical thinking and questioning things you slaves are zero/100.

How can I trust your thinking when you aren't even a bright person.

Your English is porous (you probably were/are porous in school). But here you are taking yourself seriously.

Rest!

Natbrowny:


I swear. He needs to understand that this generation questions everything and its good. Gaining knowledge requires asking.
This same generation questioned the creation story.
Adam n eve were created. Gave birth to cain n abel (both male). Cain was banished and found himsef a wife (wife from where).

Older guy digested it, this new guys are questioning it. Which is great to be honest

So logically, baba never reach heaven or even seen videos or pictures. He is telling us the language been spoken there.. Those languages are man made (stand to be corrected)

Lol. New guys? The story of creation has been believed for thousands of years. Atheists and enemies of faith have existed from the times of the presocratics.

Your unbelief doesn't make you a new guy man. The number of young people who believe and are given to Spiritual things obviously are more than those who don't. It will remain that way till the end of the world. Faith in God would grow as it always has.

Heaven is real. The spiritual is real. Supernatural powers are real!

Only a fool wants to see with the optical windows before knowing.

Mufakirnaqdiun:

You hold the belief that heaven exist not me,so slave kindly prove to me that heaven exist.

M

Even your punctuations and expressions are barely coherent. How can I engage you in an elenchus?

But I'll leave you with this: any student of logic would not arrive at any conclusion extemporaneously.

That you are unable to prove the existence of the sun rays, galaxies, parallel universes, black holes, etc. to the non-scientific mind wouldn't rob these things off their existence.

Similarly, heaven is a spiritual reality. A mind that despises anything spiritual is untrained to see it.

Mufakirnaqdiun:

The fact that you can't prove its real alone shows it's not.
How can I prove something that's made up?

Can you prove Valhalla is real!lol

You probably didn't do well in logic.

The fact that you can't prove that you cannot concretely prove to me now that sun rays exist means that they don't.

In knowledge acquisition, you don't conclude until you've ascertained it is (not). That's what's smart!

Mufakirnaqdiun:
Oya prove your heaven is real Dem go turn mumu.
Pastors don't want you to question then because they self no get the answer,their own ba to suck your money dry.

Oya prove that heaven is not real na...

Pandev:
baba dodged the question. Religious people only believe in heaven and hell, they actually don't have concrete evidence of the existence.

What is the concrete evidence that it doesn't exist? You only wish. You speak your wish to reinforce your unbelief.

obembet:
Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) played out an entertaining 1-1 draw with AS Monaco in Ligue 1 on Sunday, August 28.



Source: https://twitter.com/PSG_English/status/1563990737892540417?t=9JQDFxqD3kx8cM9elZYQsg&s=19

You have an agenda!

Messi struggled, despite having several attempts at goal and hitting the post once? His moves literally resulted in the only psg goal.

Why should the negative spotlight be on Messi?

plaindealer:
Not a fan of Reno, but I see a lot of sense here.

Peter Obi and his followers are always dodging Mondays. Why? Una dey fear your own people?

It is really off the point.

Whether they do their rallies on Monday or choose to take precautions by avoiding Mondays, the point is that they believe in an Obi presidency...

It's inconsequential bringing the Monday sit-at-home here. What point exactly are you or Reno trying to score with it? What's the logic?

Michelle70:
The truth about this divisive politics we play is that.
Those that laugh, wont laugh forever
While those that cry wont cry forever

During GEJ era, igbos were laughing at Yoruba

During PMB era, Yorubas laughed igbo

Now on 2023 eve, igbos are now laughing at Yorubas again


In all these chaos, politicians keep looting and introducing themselves as messiah while we continue fighting ourselves. The end to our mumu is not even in sight

Stop this nonsense!

Stop trying to get unnecessarily tribal with this. Millions of Yorubas were for Jonathan and voted for him. It wasn't necessarily an Igbo thing.

The support for Obi particularly spans across all tribes in Nigeria.

Everyone who has been angry with the nefarious things the current government did are out to usher in a new order. That explains the currently high support Obi has. Don't tribalise these things

KingKO22:
It can only be Lagos

The Legacy of Asiwaju is propelling Lagos economy to the enviable height while the legacy of Pandora Obituary is attacking unknown gunmen, killing and destruction of properties in Anambra


Choose wise btw the 3 major candidates
The antecedents of each should be considered


Cityboy/Goldenboy is our next president

Lagos was Nigeria's capital from 1914 to 1992. Before Tinubu, Lagos had been the economic capital of West Africa. It had been the home of all major establishment from the Nigerian breweries to Unilever to press houses to supermarkets.

You lots should stop sounding like illiterates to hype Tinubu's candidacy. It's don't even present you well.

donforeign:
even if na angel cook am, i no go eat.. i no just like amm

Where you dey make I carry you enter correct buka. Amala sky for ibadan is one

Officialgarri:
Regardless, I'll like my son to have nick as "jagaban"
A born king

Common sense: the thread is not about your son. It's about the new born baby.

Celebrate the child and move on.

donforeign:
tried it but no just like am baba..

Them no prepare am well. You no chop am for correct amala spot.