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optm:
i see dis as being childish honestly.

childish bah, that has always been the excuse, ave seen many online johesuite claiming Upandan how they know pharmacology than doctor but when challenge come, they shy off and say its childish,

one PharmD even tried me as he claim only surgery differentiate him from doctors, told me to follow him in mail, I did, we only greeted each other, asked him to now provide answer to my clinical question, till today he never say inch,

I just know, this table johesuits are shaking is the beginning of them publicing there incompetence and irrelevancy in health sector..

toysleek:
Ehn ehn?even the post Op care?the CMD himself attested to it that it was a team work..Most govt hospitals have contract Nurses/workers who don't go on strike..Be informed.

so, but don't come up with trash that doctor can't do that alone , stay ur lane,

or what exactly are those nurse doing that is perculier

Amarabae:
Are you scared?
You boasted about your brother training quacks in his hospital,
Tell me his address and leave the rest to me.
He will learn in a bitter way that he is into illegality,
When you train a quack nurse a.k.a auxiliaries, you put people lives at risk,
They are found mostly in private where there is no regulation of their activities,
You want your future wife to be left alone with them in the labour room?
Or can you allow them to give you injection,?
What does an auxiliary know about emergency nursing especially when doctors are not around,
Can an auxiliary nurse cope in intensive care nursing?
In rural primary health care centers where there are no or very little presence of doctors ,can an auxiliary work perform there,
That many of those PHC are existing are because of qualified and registered nurses.
What does an auxiliary know about child health?
Or ante natal management .
Can they carry out a sound epidemiological nursing management?
Even in labour room, can those auxiliary quacks handle minor complications,
I pity some pregnant women who allow these quacks to near them,
What do they know about principles of complicated wound management?
Do they know anything in toxicology?
Or can they understand anything in basic pharmacology.
Can they treat common ailments?
Or can they nurse a patient with a life threatening condition?


I can go on and on.
They are QUACKS!
There is a reason it is called Nursing science.
And it is offered fully in the University.
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many of these auxiliary quacks will go on and open a small chemist store, where they will be treating innocent people in a quack way,
Do you know how many people they have send to the grave?
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Tell me your brother address and watch my next move

Jesus, amarabae, all this for me,,

lol.. oya sorry o..

run out of thread

Amarabae:
Mr medical student
Hahahahaha
Other medical students I know including our last born hardly have time to be online regularly.
Go read your books buddy .
BTW you are yet to tell me that your brother stuff.
Let me contact DSS

amarabae, FYI, I read minimum of14 hrs a day, base on my schedule for for MB preparation and am boiling hot..

contact DSS, no dear, u guys are on strike now, all civil work too should b down..


lol, amarabae Oya leave me alone jor, lolz
I know this news now will shock u

theuniqueone:
Haba Mr pharmacist who believe that doctor don't know the basic pharmacokinectics and pharmacodynamics of drugs. Na wa for una. Please tell me how you will manage your Almighty paracetamol poisoning . you are free to Google this question. Methionine and acetylcysteine are now strange names to a doctor. Wonders shall never end. Please enrol in the nearest medical school so that you can enjoy medical knowledge and practice in full

life flows in this reply mehn..
I swear that pharmacists was dissapointed,
Doc, plz don't ask him questions, save his ego, not yet time to ridicule his certificate..



beside, our men av done it again without johesu
https://www.nairaland.com/4512449/doctors-separate-conjoined-twins-yola

toysleek:
SMH.. Did you not see some nurses in their scrubs too? Can doctors do surgery alone?

what's the work of the nurse there please that a secondary school student can't do,

is not to give doctor operating tool and to clean up the room thereafter?

beside, no nurse was there, only doctors, they do there thing alone with joy..

nurse/johesu are on strike expecting miracle

bizme:
Please correct that, it is not the same pharmacology. Pharmacology is not a field that anyone can study in one year. Medical students are made to take a small bite of different fields, and that small bite doesn't qualify them as authority in such fields. You were able to complete medical pharmacology in one year because you were taught a highly abbreviated pharmacology. Pharmacy students take each aspect of pharmacology one by one in infinitely greater detail, a detail that would make a medical student give up any day. This detail can only be understood by pharmacy students specifically because their training comprehensively equips them with all foundational subjects from which pharmacology derives; in particular medicinal chemistry, mathematics, biochemistry, pharmacognosy and even pharmaceutics. This is the same way that medical students are as it were brushed through biochemistry courses... They (medical students) take small bites, which don't qualify you or them to start parading themselves as experts in this and other fields. The phrase Jack of all trades readily comes to mind... And this is the very reason that pharmacists are placed in hospitals, to serve as the final check for doctors' prescriptions: because both your superiors and those that design the medical curricula know that you have sufficient knowledge of pharmacology and that the real experts on drugs and pharmacology (pharmacists) must vet and correct prescriptions before handing them to patients.
In other words, cramming to pass negative-marking questions says nothing about intelligence. Let's not exult a defective educational system. Any secondary school drop-out with decent reading skills could be taught to cram the same pharmacology that you crammed and pour it down without necessarily understanding the foundational concepts. But approach any pharmacist, he/she would take you through a journey in pharmacology that you're not going to come across in medical pharmacology.

u see, u feel its impossible, no wonder they set high cut off mark before u gain admission into MBBS coz its made for people who can pressurise their brain to bring out the best in it,

lol, remembered my lecturer telling us in year 2 to get ready for brain percussion, and its not joke mehn..hmmn.

FYI , I have graduate pharmacist in my MBBS class like 3 of them,matured guys o, those guys are dangling in the heat already with low C.A ..
u can never see a doctor stupp so low to study pharmacy after his MBBS degree. but plenty pharmacist in practice are still applyingvbut been denied yearly into MBBS direct entry..

U think say MBBS na Eba and Beans ni..

bizme:
You're such a kid. Coming out here asking dumb questions that any jack can readily google. It's such pettiness in Nigerian medical doctors that's the root of our problem.

One day you might finally grow up and then maybe you'd qualify to come into the league of those that get to discuss drug matters with the like of me. Getting a fellowship in clinical pharmacology might stand you a chance. But for now, go back to your books and read.

PS: If you want real debate on drugs, it's got to be offline where you've got no google to run to. And without any lenghty notice. And we are going to run through the entire breath of pharmacology, basic and clinical and experimental and historical development and all. I wish you were close to OAU, Ile-Ife, then we might just meet tomorrow 8:00 am.

excuse upon excuse,
wen u already know such meeting is close to impossible,
ife kor..


that was how a funny pharmD couldn't answer a damn clinical question even wen he said we should take it off nairaland which I did, or do u want screen shot,

still waiting for amarabae to tell me go ahead with my question, as she claim she sabi like a doctor ,
just question on nutrition will throw her nursing certificate off balance .
just
wana take it as my goal to ridicule her post graduate certificate..
nurse fire ..

DABMarkNig2019:
and I challenge you to leave your consulting rooms open when you're proceeding on strike. Then we'll know who is truly who in our hospitals.

lol, naso? no get ur time abt this Jor.. beside which fashion of johesu are u self, Nurse, pharm, gateman , or mortician, ..

Freddonance:
That is your own opinion but I challenge you to dare any doctor here in pharmacology. That's when your nerves will be calmed(repolarized)

u won't see them o, they ll hide under the umbrella of online maturity and shy off,

Au79:
activities going on as usual....
I dare JEHOSU to unlock the labs and pharmacy and other equipment and see if 200 and 300level medical students won't replace them

my brother we already taught they ll leave those lab and offices open coz we med student are already happy to take over sharp sharp..

be the nurse for our boss doctors. see love and harmony na..

lol, wil be happy to replace grad nurse amarabae office especially , who knows whether she's even a nurse in my school teaching hospital, lol..

optm:
even me i am tired responding......u wanna knw? just tk a form to study courses lyk optometry, pharmacy, physio, nursing , MLS and any oda course u wanna compare wit med surg only den can u confidently mk the claims dt med surg is more difficult dan evry oda. if u ask me, i dnt knw which is more difficult but i knw mine wasnt easy fr me nd i no b dull student

u can keep deceiving urself as if those dept are not under my college,

MrBigiman:
Very shameful comment from her. Such persons cannot practice outside the shores of this country. Since we glory in treating malaria and typhoid, why won't she equate herself with Doctors. I can tell how many Nurses including matrons have rushed their relatives to me mostly in grave situation mostly owing to pride and wanting to equate themselves to Doctors. I have been called to complete a breech delivery with head trapped a least 3rice this year by a so called retired midwife. When I see such people I just shake my head. Someone who doesn't fully grasp the pathophysiology of neonatal jaundice and how to differentiate physiologic from pathologic jaundice is claiming equality with physicians because she gives arthemeter inj, quinine drip and cefriaxone injection. God save Nigeria. As a young medical student prepare for USMLE, PLAB or AMC and leave these drip giving nurses who passed thru school by force.

Afterthought: Nurses mix all sort of concoction to unsuspecting patients, but send their children to physicians go get expert opinion. This is wickedness. A matron rushed away from my hospital claiming she wants her own, yet at least 3rice in a week she calls to review patients, the last time she did, I simply Ignored her totally. She sent her in-law to be for a procedure she claimed she does, whereas she can gladly experiment with another life.

like seriously..

na them nurse and pharmacist wey always dey correct doctor..

lmao.. therefore, they are the best in health delivery..

I just know they are confused especially amarabae,,
I don laugh die wen she said only surgeon knows than her, lol,
surgeon no longer doctor in her mind..

Med student will still throw her off balance with her nursing post graduate certificate.

DABMarkNig2019:
and your are in support of your dr brother i guess? those ones he's training are they nurses or quacks?
it's sad and that's exactly the problem with our health system where drs prefere quacks to professionals working in the hospitals. I heard many drs saying they don't need other professionals in the hospital other than these non professionals. I think it's now clear to all where our problems is in our hospitals.

The game we are playing is, let us prove to ourself who don't need each other,

bia , doctor s don't need nurse and pharmacist to run a hospital, the nurse my bro trained are working perfectly and the pharmacist he trained has never disappointed.. especially the pharmacist guy is now training new intake ,

is it not to dispense again, nawa o, and someone will b giving us headache on how cat can do a tigers job and get close accolade

u see that funny amarabea lady up there saying she knows everything a doctor knows aside surgery, I know she just wana pull our leg, lol..

She will know doctors worth wen emergency happen and no doctor to attend ..less the pham and nurse alone.

I love the rule of law and fair game, but let everyone trend well in his or her path and their will no be trouble, but for where, envy and hatred won't let them,
Doctors are cool guys but wen u see things around, orientation change


wen doctor has finally proved to johesu that we can do without them, then they will understand that this table they are pulling will make them useless thereafter ..

Amarabae:
No they are not nurses but QUACKS
He is into illegality and there is nothing to hate here.
We know the real nurses.
Let him continue training them, something that a white doctor can't try due to his integrity.

BTW many chemist are DOCTORS in rural areas, they are making their money.
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And to the first paragraph,
I can't be involved in online question and answer crap, it's childish.
Go and read about who a graduate nurse really is.
Get ur eyes off auxiliaries.
Many graduate nurses are in private practice, they don't need a doctor there,
They treat their patients and give them quality healthcare.
No graduate nurse is clueless about Non-surgical health issues.
I repeat None!
Surgeons are the real doctors.
Simple
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If you are bold enough about your brother, tell me his hospital location, let me contact our Nurses and midwives association and then make an enquiry to DSS by Monday

lemme hear word Jor,,

all ur post graduate nurse, am a still in year 3, and so sure I know this human body more than u,
u think what we study in medicine is how to wash and clean bedsheets,/pet baby to suck breast...

say amen to this prayer, all ur relative shall no see a doctor in Jesus name perhaps if a surgeon is not around,

na only nurse and pharmacist will b available no matter the critical case..

wen they are confused, they will start differentiate between a resident , consultant, house officer as if they are not all doctors under NMA.. radarada

stanflex222:
what do you know? in case u don't know nurse's and pharmacist have be the people covering for all the incompetent doc. we have in this country.. useless doctors that doesn't know how to prescribe common drugs...pharmacist and nurse's have be correcting their wrong proscriptions...they are just b over hype.. one doctor that almost terminated my sister's pregnancy by proscribing indocid for one month and two weeks old ...it was a pharmacist that safe her..

oya say amen to this,,

anytime u visit the hospital, u will never see a doctor to attend to u but only nurse and pharmacist and med lab in Jesus name..

Amarabae:
I overheard one deluded dokinta saying that amidst the ongoing strike ,that johesu people bring their relatives to the hospital for doctors to treat.
I laughed so hard.
Deluded shegoat.
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The only doctor that knows things about health more than me is a SURGEON.
apart from that ,no graduate nurse or pharmacists or lab scientist that can't treat his or her relations very well if really the person knows his or her worth.
Many nurses are in private practice ,managing many sick patients in homes very well.
Nobody or no profession has a monopoly of knowledge,
The health sector outside Nigeria are evolving.

amarabae,

hmm, so na only surgeon naim sabi pass u now, I feel like ridiculing u a post graduate nurse here now now with my little preclinical knowledge...

just shove it down ur troat..
this is a public forum, don't lemme disgrace u the little knowledge u nursing people have o,

a pharmD said this thing u spilled out, he will not wana say that thing again.., just few question threw him off thread..

plenty Nurse that my doc bro is training like weed in his hospital, just collect form and pay small cash, within few month ure already a nurse sharp sharp, and ure here giving us headache,,

optm:
lolz nd u think d stress is peculiar to med surg? i cnt start telling u my experience tru schl. but u hvnt told hw these has made u better qualified for a managerial position .... any person can own a hospital/ pharmacy but not any person can do d job spec of a pharmacist or a med doc

pls which other dept pass thru this pls,

u seems not to understand what the guy is saying ,

couple with the letter by Dr OBAFemi as regards how medical practixe is been done in international country where we got it from,

u guys should just sit and chill..

Enough if this Jor.
so many things taken for granted in this country .

JoannaSedley:
oh come on. Enough of this stale lines already. Cramming galore. Spare me the bullsh!ts, please.
Meanwhile, I entered with 90 . Funny.

it stale but tell me how far it is from the truth...

cramming galore!, tell that to those jambite and sec student writing waec to cram their textbook if they wana enter MBBS just like we medics have been doing..

u hear

mtcheew I guess u don't know the meaning of cramming neither do u know the mechanism behind memory and intelligent.

He
Crammed to pass waec
Crammed to pass jamb with high score
Crammed to pass post ume with high score..
He now crammed to know medicine and graduate as a doctor.

at least u should have done that, it would have saved u from the johesu mess u find urself today..

don't be surprise I couldn't wait for him to reply u,

stay off my mention if u don't want me to insult u,
ur reply to that doc just pissed me off like Who the Bleep is this

JoannaSedley:
For your mind now you think the guy you quoted will understand this. He is too beclouded by the doctor aura to discern the deep words you tabled here.
Next time, write in simpler words and sentences for simpletons like him.

u that can read and comprehend better than a doctor, like it or not, he got admitted into medicine with good waec grade and a nice jamb score(high English score follow) which u can't those days,,
he was able to read his textbook, comprehend, understood them, passed and got admitted into highly competitive MBBS,,

u wey sabi for ur mind, wey u dey?? in johesu court defending supporting staff..

please pack well jawe .

no lemme insult u o..

Thanks18:
There was an incident of wound injury. You couldn't handle it because of your deficits in your learning and exposure. And thus that was why you went back to varsity. Pls tell that to buffons. Recently, the current Health minister guffed that (physical) rehabilitation is not treatment and Yusuf Buhari was flew abroad for it. I was visibly shocked and wondered why illiteracy is plaguing our universities this era. For the sake of clarity, rehabilitation is part of the job specification of physiotherapist.
look at this article:

The role of physiotherapy in managing patients with wounds.
Review article
McCulloch JM. J Wound Care. 1998.
Show full citation
Abstract
The physiotherapist is a highly respected member of the wound-care team in the USA. While assisting in all aspects of wound care, including debridement and dressing selection and application, the physiotherapist also provides a unique function. The numerous physical agents, such as electrical stimulation, ultrasound, hydrotherapy and heat all have benefits to offer the patient in contributing to healing. The background knowledge of biomechanics possessed by members of this discipline likewise enhances the services of the wound-care team. Physiotherapists recommend strategies to relieve or redistribute pressure for those confined to bed or wheelchair or for the ambulatory individual with an insensate foot. It is perceived that physiotherapists who remain uninvolved in wound care are a major untapped resource with great potential for promoting wound healing.
indeed our university curriculum should be reviewed.

young man, ure confused

Jman06:
The problem here is that you seem not to understand your area of competence as a medical doctor. Your area of competence as a med doctor is definitely not in the medical laboratory! So, why claiming that you know more than a med lab scientist
Your bringing in BSc microbiology graduates into this argument simply betrayed your acclaimed knowledge of the medical laboratory. Ain't you people ashamed of exposing your ignorance in public

pls tell us what doctors don't know in that med lab, I wanna know,
that thing
that made u feel u a consultant medical lab scientist know more

don't be scared, I won't tell u what pathologist know that u Med lab consultant don't know , ure save..owk..

Amarabae:
This thread still de. Lol

lol
we dey o, getting joy and catching fun,
Happy Sunday,

frankpro27:
Is dat all u can ask? Very cheap. If u need lectures u can DM me.

don't come here and form maturity stunt Jor,

ogbeni go and sit down,

already sent a pm though

aribisala0:
Very Childish Indeed



The questions a CEO would concern himself with are

balancing the books Are we spending less than we receive?

Industrial Relations Are my staff optimally productive?
Efficiency: Do my staff have the best tools . Do I invest in their training

Law; Do we comply with the law in terms or checking bona fides of our staff,safety regulations insurance and record keeping
Governance ; Do we have effective goverrnance and audit protocol. risk managment.
The Government wants to cut our funds what do we do if that happens?


That is the adult conversation to be be had not childish talk about the TECHNICAL problems of doctors

cleaners have their own techncal problems as do drivers, electricians, nurses, lab technicians , pharmacists and every other worker.

I have not hear any reason why doctors are better suited to go outside the scope of their training to be best placed to provide organizational leadership
These baby docs fail to understand that there is nothing intrinsically more noble about performing an appendicectomy than emptying a soakaway pit. How many doctors can do the latter if challenged?

u made point in the first few paragraph but spoiled the show in the last

hmm, I can suck that soak away mere watching them doing it within few hours, u mentioned one out of my thousand knowledge comparing it with someone lifetime job..

or rather mention one department I have no clue about in the hospital,





lol.. work that is just by using common sense, u compared it with appendectomy.. lol,

arinzos:
So these questions are to show what?
You know more than he does,right?
Why not make your point and bounce.
i don't expect him to answer these questions anyway,it will look childish.You are still in 3rd year probably preparing for MB if you have not written.
Be humble dude.still in 3rd year and you have madeup your mind how you would employ quacks in place of professionals.
If we produce people with this kind of mindset how will our health sector function.

these guys can b annoying u know, all dsame ,
Nigerian health workers are already bittered against each other..

Ang88:
Ur very childish for putting this rubbish up here...this is nairaland not exam ground

ure a nurse and a pharmacist is making such statement how only surgery differentiated him, u saw it and didn't condemn him or rather call that childish . bad, coz many people are reading this and he's already spoon feeding the public falsehood about pharmD. (only surgery differentiate Kor)


u said this isn't an exam ground, so u mean he would have answered perfectly suppose it was,
his lecturer won't give him such question coz he wasn't trained on such way,
this is what am faced with every good day in medical school,

we offer same course with BSC anatomy and physiology but their prof lecturers don't teach medic,
my lecturers are surgeon/consultant who are seeing life of the body who teach us clinical physiology ND anatomy, don't lemme talk of BCH, My BcH doctor lecturers are wizard..

and someone just think since he offered surface anatomy//Physiology course for few days, he can meet patient just like doctors..

optm:
an oversight u say? i knew u wld giv dt as an excuse dt wz my reason fr nt correcting ur use of NPRP. it is rather NPDR. so wld u claim it's an oversight still ?

u get problem o
av been going through ur comment since, don't lemme ridicule ur optometry for u o..


I Don even forget say that course is still existing.. mtchew

at least that Dr u felt uv corrected can drill u in many part of the body aside eyes or do u even know any other part of the body rather than eyes ni... Eye glass cutter, Don't go and face Aboki that is already taking ur job, Aboki Don dey cut correct eye glass o, hope ure aware..

and ure here feeling flying that uv corrected a medic.. lol

confused johesuite..

frankpro27:
Thr is nothing dat a medical doctor knw dat I don't know as a Pharm.D holder, aside surgery. U guys are pushing us into a better future. Very soon we will become prescribing pharmacist Nd u will only get to perform surgery.

haaaaaa, even ur pharm D lecturers will b laughing at u or rather I guess ure still in year1 , they don give u hope say no worry, u can also act like a doctor with ur oharm D certificate aside surgery..

am still in year 3 and am sure I gat knowledge of human body more than u , u get luck am not in path and pharm class yet.. yan yan tan..

but still, let's discuss basic knowledge,



1.

An accident victim was rushed to ur shop with saliva dropping out from his mouth , whitish fluid was also seen coming out from his ear,

pharm D, tell us how u ll help this,


2. A student fell from a tree , his right arm was dislocated, he complained of unclear vision after few minute, rushed to ur shop, what could av caused that and how will u correct this

3.
A patient all of a sudden stated having metacapophalangeal joint getting flexed uncontrollable, with deep and long breath as he was rushed to ur shop/pharm shop,

how will u help out immediately ..

4.

a lady complain of infraumbilica pain, cleared she is in her secretory phase of menstrual cycle, so not menstrual pain, what ll u be thinking next in ur mind


5.. oyani at least u should chew this one,
UR brotherwith sign of busted pimples just beneath his nasal nares complained of headaches, blurred vision, restlessness
what and what should come to ur mind,
don't fall my hand o, u should get this, and how will u advise him thereafter..

I give u my drill, am expecting urs. let's start..