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Hey,

What crime would u commit if u knew no one would find out? Me, I think I would rob a bank!

Nairalanders,

I believe the main reason why all this is happening around the world is simply because of the new phenomenum called 'political correctness'.

Infact the oyinbos have taken that 'P.C' to a new level. An e.g. - where I live, a primary school actually tried to change the rhyme, 'black, black black sheep, ' to 'rainbow rainbow rainbow sheep, '. How warped is that and all this in an effort not to offend the black race.

It is stated in the Holy books that women cannot head churches or lead prayers in mosques. Why try to change the 'scriptures' to suite the changing times. I dont think God intended that.
Religions should be able to withstand the test of time.

My 2kobo.

Seun,

I must confess that every time I see a post from u, I make it a point of duty to read it. I find your posts very interesting to read. I think its because they are posted from a very objective point of view. How do you manage that?

Seun,
I do agree with u about muslims minding their own bizness especially when it comes to preaching. Have never had a muslim knock on my door to preach!

Carmelily,

U couldnt have been more precise!!!

Near - death? What Bull. U die only Once. PLEASE!!!

And why should they be celebrities? I thought men of the cloth were supposed to have a great degree of humility? From what i see these days, they are more than flambouyant. Is this a way of drawing people into their fold? Correct if I am wrong.

Gwaine,

I believe my question is as str8 forward as can be. However, I will try to expansiate.

4get_me, in one of his early threads, wrote that,

'Unitarianism does not hold a stable belief in God, Jesus or the Bible - and therefore is not regarded as authentically 'Christian'.

The above statement got me a bit confused about christianity and i need some clarification, because the Unitarians would also say same about people who believe in the trinity. In essence, which of the above types of 'christians' should
i believe?

Gwaine, KAG, 4get_me, Lioness et al,

How do I, a muslim or infact any non - christian, tell a 'real' christian from a 'fake' christian?

dearzi,

and why would I claim to be something that I am not? I don't see the reason behind your insinuation.

4get_me,

U still have not answered my question. How can I tell who a Christian is? From all that I have read, they all seem to be getting their directions from the Bible. So why is one wrong and the other right?


Lioness,

U still have not answered my question. And what has Seun got to do with this thread?

Lioness,

out of curiousity, why did u want to know my religion? Honestly.

4get_me,

Thanks for informing me that their are various 'types' of christians. This then poses another question, how can we, Non - christians, know who practice the 'Real' christianity?

Lioness,

to answer ur Question, I am a Muslim.

Edygirl,

Is that all u have to say? By the way thank you. And may God continue to increase my Knowledge. Amen.

Gwaine, Ironside et all. Thank you all so much for your responses and in also trying to help me to understand the 'Trinity' from your points of view.

I appreciate the fact that Christians, some not all, have been made to believe doctrine of the Trinity is incomprehensible. I am also aware that the proponents suppose this to be a foundation of christianity and also that we cannot begin to imagine the majesty and glory God (TRUE!!!), so we cannot fathom his nature and being. (TRUE again!!). However, even in the Bible God has clearly revealed himself through His Word as a mighty, unitary being, the great first cause of all things, having no equal, no predecessor and no successor. ''Hear, O Israel, the LORD your God is One" (Deut. 6:4).

U know what? For over 4000 years, those who worshipped Him and trusted Him had no hint, no surmise, no suggestion that he was other than the single, unitary God He declared Himself to be.

So how did this belief about the Trinity begin? Well it saterted with a doctrine formulated in the 4th century to describe the view of some leading churchmen concerning the nature and relationship of God, Jesus and the holy Spirit. It was enunciated in a series of creeds: The Nicene Creed (325 ad), The Nicaeno-Constantinopolitan Creed (381 ad), and the Athanasian Creed (ca. 5th century ad). It took various forms and used multitudes of words so complex and enigmatic it is incomprehensible. Some Christians consider "trinity" simply to imply belief in God, Jesus and the holy Spirit — a broad platform all Christians can endorse. Differently, but still quite simply, the first use of this word in early Christian writings referred merely to the existence of "God, his Word, and his Wisdom" (Theophilus of Antioch, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 2, page 201). But as the doctrine evolved in the 4th-6th centuries, it became much more mysterious. It asserted that God is actually composed of three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all co-equal and co-eternal.

The Scriptural truth, on the other hand, is neither mysterious nor incomprehensible: God is one person, his son Jesus is a second person, and the holy Spirit is not a person at all. It is the spirit, power and influence of God. Jesus is subordinate to his Heavenly Father. God existed from eternity, but there was a time before the creation of his son Jesus when God was alone.

Again, according to it it clearly states that God and Jesus are not co - equal.  In every case, where God and Jesus are referred to in one context, Jesus is subordinate, and the Father is superior. for eg.
"Why callest thou me good? None is good, save one, that is, God." (Luke 18:19)
"My Father is Greater than I" (John 14:28)
"The Head of Christ is God" (1 Corinthians 11:3)
"[Jesus] sat down on the right hand of God" (Hebrews 10:12)
"Then shall the Son also himself be subject ,  that God may be all in all" (1 Corinthians 15:28)
Perhaps most telling of all is that Jesus recognizes God as his own God -- his superior, to whom he renders adoration, worship and praise (Matthew 27:46, John 20:17, Ephesians 1:17, Revelation1:6). No scripture says Jesus is co-equal!

So why the Trinity I dare to ask? Where did this doctrine come from? When did it come? For what Reason? How did it take hold? Research says it developed probably as a result of an over-zealous response to the vital gnostic heresies which began to surface even in John's day, and afflicted the church for about two centuries. Gnostics proposed that Jesus was not actually the Messiah — some say he was an apparition, or a materialization, others a simple man possessed for a time by the Christ — but all agreed that the Anointed, the Messiah, the Christ, did not suffer and die on the cross.

This fundamentally undercuts the Truth of Christianity, and against such views were John's strong warnings in 1 John 1:22,23, 4:1-3, 2 John 7. Indeed, these epistles of John and even the Gospel of John, read with the backdrop of these heresies in mind, take on a fresh and deeper meaning than ever before. It is for this reason that John was forceful in affirming that the very Jesus "which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled" (1 John 1:1) was the very Word of life who existed from ages before with the Father, the agent of all the Father's creative work from the beginning. This very one did indeed suffer and die on the cross for our sins. John was there when it happened, a first-hand witness. "And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe" (John19:35).

As John passed from the scene the gnostic heresies grew in strength, causing a severe pressure within the early Christian community. In combatting this error, and in emphasizing the significance,uniqueness and importance of Jesus, the very Son of God himself, it was natural to attach more and more weight to him, even over-emphasizing his office and majesty beyond that allowed in the scriptures. Little by little a greater and greater image of him was put forward, resulting in such erroreous views as Sabellius put forward in the 3rd century, claiming that Jesus was but an expression of the one God, and not a lesser though glorious separate being. This was generally rejected, but in the end a sad compromise was reached which left distorted the real verities regarding Christ, the highly honored Son of the Most High God.

In conclusion, the word Trinity is nowhere found in the scriptures, not one of the Apostolic Fathers (Clement, Barnabas, Ignatius, Mathetes, Polycarp, Papias, Justin Martyr) mentioned this doctrine in any of the 1200 pages of text they left us. When the word "Trinity" first appeared in Christian writings it meant nothing like it does today. It simply implied the existence of God, his Word, and Wisdom.

Arguments butressed from an article published by Theology Students in the USA.

Mer-C,

I can be anywhere u want me to be. Just say the words and I am there before u can blink!!!

Bingo,

Why r u a hater? Now vex ehh.

Sorry.

Mer-C, Drooling on my shirt na less. Even if na ur bath water, I fit drink am!!!

Mer-C, me Drooooolling!!!!!!!!!!!!   

Mer-C,

Love ur profile picture. Are the Lips realy urs?

wiseguy,
infact U R VERY CORRECT. If I were zidane, I would have made sure that 2 of us would have been sent off the field. Me by red card, Him by Injury!!!!

People,

I really dont see the need for the nude pictures. What is he trying to educate us about?

Every man shall bear the weight of his own deeds on the last day. This should be enough for the wise.

KAG,

dont bet ur life on it. U might just have it no mo'.

Lioness,

but is knocking me over not going against one of the teachings of Jesus Christ?

Think well before u act, remember vengence is for GOD, or be condemned in hell fire.

Lioness,

why do u ask?

Anyway, I am one who submits to One God. Go figure.

lioness,

Please try to be a bit civil.

I really cant understand why this discussion must result in abuse.

Dont u have more constructive sentences to make?

lioness,
I hope thats not gwaine u r talking about ooo. It aint fair to insult ur brother like that!!!

OlaAjia,

thanks for the simple differentiation to the simpleton. U know what they say about common sense,

Question still not answered. But thanks for the 'Start'.

Yes thats what i mean. U cant explain it to me?

emmie4j et all,

I think you should take a look at the table, It might educate u a bit and bring u out of your state of ignorance, and remember, this is even just Sex (Not marriage) and in this mordern age.

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

And peadophilia means - an adult who is sexually attracted to children and NOT someone married to one.

My 2 kobo.

emmie4j ,

Like someone once quoted,

[center]'it is better for u to keep your mouth shut and let people assume u are a fool, than for u to open it and erase all doubt'.[/center]

And yes, please grow up!!!