Tinububalls:
I want to ask for clarity sake, Ilorin belongs to which tribe?

HISSCRIBE1995:
this gay thing is gradually gaining momentum in Africa and we are not taking notice .
I believe it is ridding into our atmosphere by the wings of demonically empowered influences .
As you can see some people were bias in their celebration of a certain woman who came out as a lesbian and a gay ,but she's been celebrated simply because she watered down their ego by her shameful abuse of a royal personality who they perceive as a common adversary .

Please speak to your children now ,and counsel them about the evil ,and danger of belonging to this cancer of a thing .
It is only not part of our culture ,but was never a part of man when God created man or intended man to be or evolve to .

Thank you .

lawani:


Which problem did I tell you I have which Ifa is not able to solve?. I routinely use Ifa to solve any problem I wish to solve. Do you know me from anywhere or why did you ask that I live by example?. You are very uncouth.

lawani:


An oracle anywhere is used to predict things. Tarot cards, Ouija boards and etc are used to predict things. An octopus was used to predict things to a high degree of accuracy during a football tournament. I am surprised you don't know that oracles are used to mine information much like google. If you are proficient in using any oracle, it is not different from having a degree in any science discipline. IFA is poetry but those poetries are grouped under 256 signs and you can use them to solve basically any problem based on your level of proficiency. A rose by any other name will smell as sweet, therefore those calling Ifa a religion are wrong. It is an academic theology, a science based theology. The religions are those that are rigid, ridiculous and antagonistic to reason, debate, innovation and change. You can not group Ifa, Hinduism, Buddhism, Maiguzuwa, Shintoism, Dibia and etc under the same heading as Christianity and Islam. Christianity and Islam are the only religions for being resistant to innovation, debate and change. If Ifa is a religion then science also is religion.

lawani:


For example, if you cast Ifa to ask what is this person thinking?, what is best for me to do?. What will happen to the world in 2030?, what is the prospect of this marriage? etc etc, you don't have to read it yourself, someone else who is proficient in Ifa can come and read it, other people can also offer perspectives etc etc. That is scientific theism. Totally different from Christianity and Islam.

Stoplying:

I stopped reading when I saw "largest corpus of oral history". That indicated clearly that this was going to be a long pitch of batman type of fairytale.

lawani:
The Ifa corpus may be the largest volume of oral history in the world and any history in the corpus is totally valid because it is used for scientific theology. A story in odi meji talks about how a stranger was made the Oba of Benin by the Benin people. According to oral history, it should be Oranmiyan but Oranmiyan was not mentioned by name in the story. The appellation used for the stranger was Ajoji Godogbo which may mean handsome stranger. No mention of Ogiso as the hitherto ruler that died was referred to as Oba in the story. Oranmiyan was birthed by Oduduwa himself, so if the story was of Oranmiyan, then Benin should have had as many royal successions as the Ijesha, the Ife and the Oyo royal stools because those dynasties were also founded by sons of Oduduwa. Oranmiyan was actually also the first Alaafin of Oyo. However Oyo and Ijesa have had around 47 kings each while Ife have had 51 but Benin has had only 37. The disparity is too much for the dynasties to have started at the same time and it is much more likely that the present dynasty in Benin started centuries after Oyo, Ife and Ijesa had been established. However there is no reason to doubt that Oranmiyan went to Benin but traditions say he did not remain there. He was vexed there and named the place Ife Ibinu meaning Ife of vexation which later became Benin. The disparity in the number of royal succession between Benin and others was a wonder to me until I came across a story of Irete meji in the Ifa corpus talking about a certain Sasore who was made King in Benin, it then fell into place. Apparently the person in the odi meji story of the Ajoji Godogbo is the same Sasore of the Irete meji story who was a visiting Awo to Benin that went to the palace to commiserate with them on the death of the Oba and since the late ruler was referred to as Oba and not Ogiso, it would make sense that he was of the original dynasty kicked off by Owomika (Eweka) son of Oranmiyan and that the name of the founder of the current dynasty is therefore Sasore and not Oranmiyan or Eweka. However the research continues.

Reflect7:
Did IGBOS Lead The World To Industrialisation?


World's Oldest Iron Smelting Site Discovered in Lejja, South Eastern Nigeria.

Site Dated To 5,000 Years By Combined Team of Scientists From the University of Nigeria, Nsukka and Oxford University

''Smelting is a process of applying heat to an ore, to extract a base metal. It is a form of extractive metallurgy. It is used to extract many metals from their ores, including silver, iron, copper, and other base metals. Smelting uses heat and a chemical- reducing agent to decompose the ore, driving off other elements as gases or slag and leaving the metal base behind.''

World's Oldest Iron Smelting Site, Lejja, Nigeria, Dated 2,000 BC





Where would the world be today, technology-wise, without IRON-SMELTING?

Should the world not credit IGBOS with this marvellous invention that changed the face of the world, and led to the Industrial Revolution??

https://thingsnigeria.com/2018/02/14/lejja-the-worlds-oldest-iron-smelting-site-in-nigeria/


Wikipedia

''The earliest Iron smelting was in Lejja, Nigeria. They have carbon-dated slag blocks to 2000 BCE. In a village square in Lejja, located about 15 kilometers south of the university town of Nsukka in southeastern Nigeria, lies what appears to be the oldest iron-smelting site in the world. Arranged in crescent shapes with mounds in the middle across a wide sitting area at Otobo Ejuona, as the arena is known, are hundreds of bits of smelting debris, or slags, recently carbon-dated to about 2000 BCE by a team of archaeologists and other experts from the University of Nigeria, Nsukka and Oxford University in the United Kingdom.

Evidence of iron smelting in Lejja: Intensive smelting of iron took place at the site of Lejja, in south east Nigeria during prehistoric periods. This statement is substantiated by the extensive iron smelting debris left behind in Lejja. The debris could point not only to an extensive iron smelting period in the history of the site, but could even represent the remains of a once thriving industry. Iron smelting often involved the community as a whole, and its effects were usually far reaching; from changing the status and living standards of the smelters to the actual development of some African cultures''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smelting

ChebeNdigboCalm:


I wonder, what exactly do you mean?

If you are saying the skirmish the british had with Benin lasting a few days maximum and only inflicting 8 casualties is more famous then I agree. The plaques taken certainly made it famous.

But do not make an uninformed assumption. The Anglo-Aro war has the title, 'War', for a reason. The Benin expedition, was not a war. It was a battle that had far fewer resources used up.

You are an example of someone who doesnt have an appreciation for history but is motivated by tribal affiliation and hatred. I placed the statistics in front of you.

Anglo-Aro WAR:
British SOLDIERS: ~1600 excluding porters
Aro forces: ~7500
British casualties: 700-800
Length: 5 MONTHS

Benin EXPEDITION 1897:
British SOLDIERS: ~1200
Benin forces: Unknown but far higher
British casualties: 8 killed (idk how many injured)
Length: 5 DAYS


Which one is a skirmish Nairaland.

Also I have no hatred towards Edo people. The destruction of the 250 "traders" was very cunning and showed why Benin had so much influence.

ChebeNdigboCalm:
From the mid 19th to the early 20th centuries, native states were defeated one after the other and bound together as "Nigeria".

When 'studying' the history of that area, the standard narrative that appears in surface level descriptions is as follows:

1. Hausa kingdoms were great but became corrupt and Usman dan fodio took over creating Sokoto caliphate which prompted the intensification of jihadists (also slave) raids into the south.
2. Kingdom of Benin were dominating all their neighbours, made great earthworks, made cool art, had an enviable capital city and once had control of lagos + western igbos.
3. Oyo empire had a calvary. Subjugated dahomey but lost to them later. Had very powerful armies that started fighting each other.
4. Igbos had no king and were poorer than their neighbours. Often dominated by neighbours. They lived in villages but did have a state called arochukwu and a religious state called nri. No armies, not very powerful.

But one has to examine things carefully. What actually happened when the British came to subjugate.

1. Hausas, Fulanis and Nupe trooped out in their thousands to fight, fielding armies of 10000, 15000 and sometimes 20000. They were defeated in short encounters with the british.
In Bida, the Bida army was nowhere to be seen when the British came.
In Kano the Kano emirate boasted thousands of infantry with a massive calvary of 3000 at kwatarkwashi. The British suffered only 44 casualties. Generally British army was around 600 to 1000 men in these conflicts.

2. The Benin kingdom destroyed 250 British infiltrators before they got the chance to be armed. When the actual army came a year later with 1200 men, they destroyed the city and the benin army only losing 8 men.

3. The Yoruba practically put up no resistance. The only notable war was the admirable effort of the Ijebus. In which there were about 500 british soldiers who suffered 56 dead and around 30 wounded. There were maybe 2 or 3 days of battle. Whilst the Ijebu had 8000 warriors and suffered 1000 dead.

4. The Igbo fought the British at every significant Igbo settlement. The Aro alone fought them for months in the Anglo Aro war which had 1600 british troops and 7500 Aro soildiers. In that one war the british losses were 700-800 killed or wounded (half the invading force as casualties). The Aro had heavy but unknown casualties, they pulled dead and wounded away from the trenches so the British did not discover the bodies. Is there something missing? Why did people supposedly in a much poorer and unsophisticated condition than the rest put up an exponentially better fight against the largest british force mustered in pre-colonial Nigeria?

Now the igbo anioma people (boasted to be igbo "slaves" of benin when suited and non igbo people when trying to diminish the size of igboland), have always been claimed to be under benin empire by surface level sources. I agree that the ika may have been but I strongly oppose that the rest may have followed suit. How is it that the anioma fought the british for 30 years whilst the bini lost in a few days?

Other very notable group resistance are the Olokoro, ezza and afikpo.

My theory is this. If you read the accounts (in london gazette archives) admitted by the leaders of the expeditions into igboland, you would see that countless towns were razed to the ground(without exaggeration) and that is only what was admitted.

I suspect that actually, the anthropologists that came into Igboland, saw an Igboland which was recovering from the ravages of war as the only major ethnicity to resist strongly in all corners. Igboland was vastly undocumented until about 1910 when most of these conflicts were concluded or drawing to a close.

I am asking that the comments in response are not drawn from tribal affiliation or hatred. I like truthful history and though I am Igbo, I genuinely objectively thought this through.

Classickj:
A young boy has lamented about how his father asked his younger brother to return N38 million bet he won recently.

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Bvlgari:
Nigerian man gets engaged to his caucasian man


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcph-wafBSM

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CsBcuGDgm-k/?igshid=ZWIzMWE5ZmU3Zg==

googi:


Yes! Well before 1452 Pope Edict authorizing the capture and enslavement of Africans along West African Coast. Unless you think Spirits were living in Eko then.

Bini Oba, a Yoruba descendant was the last invaders before the British. They all failed.

Tijani Oluwa finally kicked the British out with Privy Council, highest Court in London, Order that returned Eko land to rightful owner.

https://www.modernghana.com/news/1221711/yoruba-united-nation-the-most-civilized-ethnic.html

Olu317:
Failed.The Sun does not rise from Bini, isn't it ? Besides, oduduwa has no link with Edo nor Bini until generations after he had died.

The generation who intertwined with the people of Bini were Oranmiyan, the son of Ogun,who incidentally was a descendant of Oduduwa.

Therefore null this notion about Oduduwa. The king who was on the throne during the era of Oranmiyan was Obalufon Ogbogbodirin(orator king who later at old age turned to iron).

Christistruth03:



It was the Egbas of Abeokuta who installed Oba Adele on the throne of Lagos around 1834

If you know what had befallen Benin by then you will understand why Benin Couldn't do a thing

The Fulani Jihad that had overun Ilorin and Old Oyo were now busy attacking the North of the Benin Kingdom and trying to get to the Sea through that axis

Do you think the Benin cared about what was going on with Lagos when they themselves were at risk of being overun by Jihadhists

Edeyoung:


Meaning the ogiso existed and you belivee in the two dynasty

I want to ask what birthed the Oba dynasty

PaNnamdi:

It's Russia that would disengage bro.this is a battle of attrition.the Ukrainians got the morale and will power on their side.

UGBE634:
then you never waka Nazee, I have seen many Binis and many Ogie-amiens who hold on to that view, to them especially for the fact that the Ekaladerhan story started in 1978 but they will not go about arguing with you, because na fanatic full Benin

Edeyoung:


Just stop claiming our oba is of a yoruba ancestry you have no substantial prove for it, we all here have debated on the history for quite a long time, before now we all believe on the oduduwa crap of an history if we can change our mindset towards that side of history then we are not dogmatic like you assume us to be you're simplying not convincing us

Edeyoung:


Just stop claiming our oba is of a yoruba ancestry you have no substantial prove for it, we all here have debated on the history for quite a long time, before now we all believe on the oduduwa crap of an history if we can change our mindset towards that side of history then we are not dogmatic like you assume us to be you're simplying not convincing us

UGBE634:
I said that is what it means literally, your low IQ and comprehension level is working again, where in my statement did I say he said anything of that nature. What I said was I have heard that [b]etymology before[/b]A Bini lecturer told me while I was in school. What I seem to opine was his pronunciation matches up with what the lecturer told me

That's the etymology of those words, you might have learnt something new. I have known this for a while now.

The Oba was associated with everything good.
Hubbard was not joking when he said, "the Oba was not only the civil head of the state. He was also the religious base as well, he was in fact regarded as a divine person who in himself sum up the whole of the race." The Oba was and is still everything to the Binis

Owie morning

Oba-owie- Obowie- translates to Oba's morning - good morning
Oba-avan-Obavan- translates to Oba's afternoon- good afternoon

Oba-Ota-Obota-translates to Oba's evening- good evening

See where he reiterated that bavan,bowie are not the right way to pronounce it in time stamp 6:52

See the way he pronounced Obowie and Obavan in time stamp 6:08 and 6:23 respectively

I said it meant so literally but it can be translated to make sense as good morning,afternoon, or evening, because the Oba was associated with everything good. Go and see the stress in that pronunciation of Oba-avan in time stamp 6:23. Go and ask your elders, they might just interprete what I have told you here. Open your mind, free your Ignorance and learn from your obvious betters

I know it takes time for your brain to digest these things. I understand, your brain must have been torn open as a student in that your dead school , Ambrose Alli, you went to. So you are now deficient in brain matter

UGBE634:
I said that is what it means literally, your low IQ and comprehension level is working again, where in my statement did I say he said anything of that nature. What I said was I have heard that [b]etymology before[/b]A Bini lecturer told me while I was in school. What I seem to opine was his pronunciation matches up with what the lecturer told me

That's the etymology of those words, you might have learnt something new. I have known this for a while now.

The Oba was associated with everything good.
Hubbard was not joking when he said, "the Oba was not only the civil head of the state. He was also the religious base as well, he was in fact regarded as a divine person who in himself sum up the whole of the race." The Oba was and is still everything to the Binis

Owie morning

Oba-owie- Obowie- translates to Oba's morning - good morning
Oba-avan-Obavan- translates to Oba's afternoon- good afternoon

Oba-Ota-Obota-translates to Oba's evening- good evening

See where he reiterated that bavan,bowie are not the right way to pronounce it in time stamp 6:52

See the way he pronounced Obowie and Obavan in time stamp 6:08 and 6:23 respectively.

UGBE634:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXp5VS-wWeo

That's the etymology of those words, you might have learnt something new. I have known this for a while now.

The Oba was associated with everything good.
Hubbard was not joking when he said, "the Oba was not only the civil head of the state. He was also the religious base as well, he was in fact regarded as a divine person who in himself sum up the whole of the race." The Oba was and is still everything to the Binis

Owie morning

Oba-owie- Obowie- translates to Oba's morning - good morning
Oba-avan-Obavan- translates to Oba's afternoon- good afternoon

Oba-Ota-Obota-translates to Oba's evening- good evening

See where he reiterated that bavan,bowie are not the right way to pronounce it in time stamp 6:52

See the way he pronounced Obowie and Obavan in time stamp 6:08 and 6:23 respectively.

UGBE634:
you should have asked your grandma to interprete the word "Oba" for you.

Oba does not mean king, Oba was like a god who had and still has so much influence over the Bini people.

The Oba was everything to us, you hear names like Obarisiagbon- which means Oba is the centre of the world

Obarisiuwa-Oba is the centre of wealth

It Even reflect in greetings- Oba-avan- which means Oba's afternoon-good afternoon



Oba-Owie-Oba's morning-good morning

The understanding of the Oba was bigger than just a king to the Bini people, that's why he was being compared with almost everything, even though he was the king of Edo people, he was also like a god.

The fact is that as I am arguing, I tend to think more and see more rhema that draws me closer to the fact that the Oba is a non native

UGBE634:
I have been ignoring your life like a goat, it is just the little attention I gave you now, we are not mates, it is not about been here for 20 years, what have you done here to strengthen the Bini course, not that someone will go to your posts, out of 5000, 4500 are for insulting those that are no longer saying what you want to hear, even if the proofs are obvious. You are empty my brother, go seek rejuvenation and purpose

Edeyoung:
He should drop is YouTube link let's finsh him there


How dare the fool insult our monarchy and dash it way to people who steals history for living

UGBE634 you must spill your agenda