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Olu317:
Are you for real ? Please, I do not entertain trash so, kindly go study to know your history. Your whole Bini that her population is not more than 500,000 thousands

500 or 500k, we still remain greater than Yorubas.. our greatness wasn't born out of dreams or fairytales.. we achieved it through conquests of mostly the yorubas..

Olu317:
You amaze me with the level of your claim that you understand Bini history but it's obvious you have hatred for your yoruba ancestry .

Perhaps, you did this evil consciously or unconsciously by not identifying Oshin, Ogun,Oramiya who were Eweka 1 ancestors and before Oṣìn, there were many ancestors .Kindly readjust the ommitted Ogun and Oramiya, who were seasoned warriors and forebear of Oba Ọwọká (Eweka 1 ).

Therefore to be a bit justified, kindly modify you Oba Bini's geneology accordingly. And be rest assured Ekelederan had DESCENDANTS in Ughoton and also died in Ughoton. So also his descendants live in Gwato till end of time.

Honestly,I will appreciate if you stop posting false
information to support your view because you have hatred toward Yorubas Race. Unfortunately for you, the same Yoruba bloodline boost your intellectual capacity. After all, you wouldn't have become a refined educated person if you have Bini bloodline and others who travel across to Europe only to hustle on streets.So, kudos on your field of specialisation.

Do you know that we Edos have always believed that we are greater and powerful than the Yorubas? Its a belief we have had for over a 1000 years and continue to.
so all the rubbish you and your likes post doesn't change a thing..
Edo remains EDORODION over the Yorubas..

gregyboy:
You keep insulting me when you are proving your point,

If your angry am questioning our oba then come directly to me and dont hide under the emotion to insult me, we have argued on the previous thread on obaseki paternity which you disagree to what i said but you carried it all along while quoting me.......
I dont walk with peoole who is filled with so much emotions

You cant force me to accept what you believe if its what you want,
I can question the oba if there is a need to

But you bringing out emotions while quoting me is very unnecessary.......

I understand your fight and what you want for Edos.. I'm with u and want same.. you can question the Oba it is your right, but not harshly..
I teach my kids how to understand and speak Edo language because it is their identity.. here where we are based, the Benin community have Edo classes every weekend where benin kids go and are taught the language..
We all have to do our part to keep the language alive..
Edo and Benin kingdom is forever..

AreaFada2:
My brother, that she-male called TUEH or whatever is his name. He is a Yaba Left character, highly irrational and suffers from severe delusion of grandeur.
Don't waste your precious time with him except to post for rational but silent readers.
Benin Empire was a highly meritocratic society. Artisans who distinguished themselves in war (or other endeavours important to the nation) were even elevated to nobility rank. Examples include Evian who became the interregnum administrator, Ode, who became Iyase Ode, Ogbeide Oyoo (from Anioma) for whom Oba Ovonramwen created the title Obaseki and rising to Iyase (Prime Minister) under the British. Every Benin person (including Oba's children and siblings) is Oba's servant and if they choose to call it slave, so be it. The British call it Queen's subjects, but tribalists only have issue with Benin matter.
@ Davidnazee, Benin do not call it oriki per say but Benin being very open people who expanded East and West, only normal that we know other people far better. In Benin each family has praise name (uwanmwen) depending on ancestral line. It is usually in response to the morning salutations below:

Ogiso descendants-Delaiso
Eweka I descendants-Lamogun
Oliha Descendants-Laogele
Iyase Descendants-Lavbieze. Iyase is non-hereditary prime minister and changes salutation to lavbieze if not lavbieze before appointment. His descendants do so henceforth. So Lavbieze greeters may not be all related. Ohemwen family also greet Lavbieze so such greeters from that line are related.
Ezomo descendants- Lagiesan
Ero descendants- Lamosun
Edohen descendants- Latose or Lauvbe
Eholor n'Ire descendants- Laire
Oloton descendants- Lamehi
Edogun descendants- Lagiemwan
Ogiefa descendants- Laidu. Idu direct descendants also greet Laidu
Iyase of Udo -Lagiemwan (normally considered quasi Enogie/Duke of Udo but can be replaced in the role by Uwangue of Udo. No substantive duke in Udo since defeat of Prince Aruaran who was duke of Udo about 500 years ago).
Elawure of Usen descendants- Delaihe
Ojima of Okeluhen descendants- Laugha.
Enogie/Duke of Egor descendants- Lauihe
Iyase of Uselu descendants- Layede

There are dozens more.

Thanks bro..
I'm from Iyase of Uselu family..

UGBE634:
You must be an idiot,the Umogun family is so large now, where would you now draw the line, Areafada2 is from that family, would you say he is a slave,and he has a moniker here, when I said that we are all slaves, I meant his family included in respect to him. the family will also shout Oba GHA to kpere just like every other family would. The Benin family system is such that every family was seen as having emerged from a 'uniquely' great ancestor who did his part in making sure the Benin kingdom cum empire survives. Ologbosere who was tried and killed is from the LA-OKUN family and anyone from that family who greets his oriki in the morning would be revered with praise from his ancestors in such a way that he will be happy and will believe that his family has a stake in Benin just like every other family having done his bit to ensure the survival of Benin kingdom. the same thing with the Ezomo n'uzebu family who their patriarch was the commander in chief of the armed forces. the same thing with Obaseki who their patriarch was also once the prime minister of Benin kingdom. The Benin family system is seen in such a way that every family is important and without the support of each family patriarch, the Benin kingdom cum empire which once was would not have been possible.

Please what is Oriki?
Isnt that a yoruba word?

TAO12:
Compare the following two scenarios:

(1) Yoruba strolled into Benin kingdom, conquered your people, captured them, and sold them to the Americas — unchallenged on the spot or later.

Original Sources: Edo people’s testimony to Dr. R. E. Bradbury during his survey of Benin kingdom.

(2) Benin people came into a thinly inhabited part of Eastern Yorubaland. They were met with heavy resistance. The Binis lost on different occasions — leading to the death of Iken for example, among others.


How is this description of Benin’s activity in the Eastern Yorubaland area the same as having a colonial rule or imperial rule over those Eastern Yorubas?? How??

The difference is as clear as night and day. You should do better to save Benin kingdom from my grip.

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Is you tiny village among those listed below? I'm very sure yours is amongst the ones my ancestors destroyed..
Thank God I'm never on the losing end.

Igboid:
There is no choking in SE.
On the contrary we have many free lush greenery spaces, which is why herdsmen want to die on top our forests.

Edo is sparsely populated because your ancestors engaged too much in invasion of neighbors through wars. Wars we know cost lives and worst still, you had a human sacrifice culture too.
Too many internal civil wars caused by Oba succession by his numerous princes also took lots of lives in Edoland.
The End result is a sparse minority population currently on aggressive expansionist drive to claim non related neighbors who don't speak Edoid language as part of Edoland in desperate attempt to swell your population and be regarded as a majority.

Lagos is the smallest state in Nigeria yet accommodates up to 20million people.
Yet even in Lagos you still find free spaces.

SE is 5 times bigger than Lagos and with about 2twice the population.
Common sense should tell you that we have lots of empty forests. Especially when we had since imbibed the habit of building upstairs. And not waste lands building BUNGALOWS.

Ok sorry.

TAO12:
Compare the following two scenarios:

(1) Yoruba strolled into Benin kingdom, conquered your people, captured them, and sold them to the Americas — unchallenged on the spot or later.

~~ Original Sources: Edo people’s testimony to Dr. R. E. Bradbury during his survey of Benin kingdom.

(2) Benin people came in to a thinly inhabited part of Yorubaland, They were met with heavy resistance. They lost some of the battles — leading to the death of Iken for example, among others.


The difference is as clear as night and day. You should do better to save Benin kingdom.

U really don't have sense.. yoruba just like boko haram can only raid poor little villages.. just as ur paper said, that's all you can limit yourself to.. Come out for open battles una go loose or run just like ogedengbe.

Take a look at how an established army from a Great Kingdom fight battles.

Igboid:
29 to 17 is not almost. I don't know who is your maths teacher but your parents deserves some refund.

40million people choked in a 29ksq and 7 million in 17ksq.. I still say Edo state is almost as big..

TAO12:
Like I said, Edo state govt. needs to invest heavily in basic English education as a matter of urgency.

(1) The quotation (without original source) speaks of invasion & fighting.

(2) Bini dullard was seeing imperial colony & rulership.

Who did this to Benin people?

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On the other hand, the attachment below of conquest and slave raid speaks for itself.

The Oba of Benin couldn’t do jack to either Ibadan, or Ilorin’s, or Ilesha.

Chai it is paining you.. your paper only says yoruba was behaving like boko haram (same people tho) raiding poor little villages carrying innocent people.
But below is how our disciplined military conquered your forefathers, founded new cities for them..
Edo people of Great Benin kingdom conquered and ruled eastern yoruba..

TAO12:
Yes slave raiders are raiders. LMAO!

And those are words of mouth — the words from the mouth of your own people.

One wonders why they ridicule themselves with a lie.

This is how your people were conquered by my people.. all the towns listed there are presently in about 3 yoruba states.
e dey sweet me sha..

TAO12:
Evidence please.

I need the testimony of the supposed conquered Yoruba kingdoms.

Not the same statement like yours which emanate originally from Benin.

See the nonsense you are posting again. Your post only calls them raiders and bandits. and it's all word of mouth probably not true. I said it before, u are a fish brained yoruba..
Below is how truth and facts are presented..

UGBE634:
you are the definition of madness before he said it I already knew the kilometre because I am not dull like you who had to go and check it. that should not been enough reason for you to raise alarm if you were not trying to prove a point. as it stands Edo is one of the most educated state in Nigeria and we glory in quality education at that we are not he slowpoke and slave tribe

No mind that idiot bro.. actually she didn't understand my point. She be fish brain..

TAO12:
(1)You Sharrap dummy, because almost bigger is NOT the same as almost as big.

(2) And he said “all” Ibo state, and all means all.

(3) Stop clutching at straws and rather task Edo state govt. to invest heavily in basic education.

Benin kingdom conquered eastern yoruba and founded the colony of Lagos.. you have to agree on these facts as painful as it is.

I know you are from the part of yoruba that felt the full might of Benin kingdom that's why you feel so much pain.

UGBE634:
if it is bigger than three state with some kilometers remaining, it is almost bigger, I know you are looking for some igbo like to massage your ego

No mind am.. Benin matter dey pepper am for body..

TAO12:
I love such traffic which puts little liars in their tiny little place.

I understand your pain.. You just wish there was no talk of "tiny" Edo and Benin kingdom in yoruba history as there is none in hausa/fulani..
But unfortunately for you, we are very much enshrined forever in your history as your conquerors, rulers, subjugators and we go no where!!!

Do you know that it is partly because of what Benin kingdom did to the Yorubas that we are referred to as Mighty Benin kingdom, Great Benin kingdom..

TAO12:
You’re simply wasting your time to think you can manipulate mods.

I have been allowed to continue here to be the voice of sanity — checking you and your excesses.


https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/42#101050822

Which sanity.. the traffic is good for business.

UGBE634:
Her tribe na slave tribe, her tribe can't compare to aristocratic Bini tribe, a pristine people, a tribe of nobles and quality men. The tribe of Benson idahosa, the tribe of Victor uwaifo, EDORODION!! EDOIRISIAGBON!!!

Bless you my brother..

UGBE634:
It's bigger than anambra, imo and ebonyi state combined. when he said almost I understood what he meant technically he is not wrong

No mind that frustrated yoruba indigene..
Thank God there's no record of my awesome Edo tribe conquered in battle unlike hers that is filled with lost battles and enslavement..
Its really painful to be conquered by a 2 by 2 kingdom..

TAO12:
This is the type of delusions that makes me flog you people’s skulls into pieces.

Edo state = 17,802 km²

The Ìgbò states = 29,525 km²

Now tell me why I should not flog your skull into pieces.

I told u already u are a lilliputian, in other words a fish brain..
I said Edo state is "almost bigger " that all ibo states put together and the table u posted proves that..
Comparing one state to five states already makes the one state very big..

UGBE634:
Guy! it's like we think the same guy I did not even see your post before writing mine and we wrote exactly the same thing! koyor otemwen. The Esans would stand with us everyday all day, twice on a Thursday

If Nigeria should break up, Edo and delta will stand together..

BiniSupremacist:
Lol, i always tell you, you will always shoot yourself in the leg, i remember i debunked this particular screenshot months back i just recalled now


They are two reference feom afc ryder on that particular article


*Afc ryder benin and the europeans
*Afc ryder a reconsideration between ife and Benin relationship

These alone tells you the particular statement was referring to the ogene and the various scholars who now recognize ooni as the ogene in that statement, was not referring to ryder 1969 book in particular
He probably quoted ryders work for general preview on ogene

We cannot say that particular statement on ogene by the writer was drawn directly from ryders opinion in his 1969 book but the writer made reference to scholars, which could be anyone and not necessarily ryders now underlying ryders making it look like it was ryders opinion makes you look obsessively disgusting


The last time i ask you for ryders 1969 book you began insulting you family today youre threatening your poor family with suicide after all they have done for you what a pity

[b]Ryders abandonment [/b]was him refusing to talk further on the topic on the location or identity of ogene in his next book.... Not necessarily what you want us to believe that he took a different approach in accepting ogene was ooni of ife.......


Professors Elizabeth A. Isichei is a mad lady who would do anything possible to sell her books, i read her article how she tried to connect dahomey and ife to give an explanation for the ooni to be the ogene


Etrusen, truthshots, davidnaze, KingOKON

I wonder why didn't the chief at ughoton mention Oduduwa or Oranmiyan.. if the chief was actually referring to the oni of ifa he would have also said Edo kings are descended from ife.

TAO12:
To where people can’t stand by their words with evidence.

This rubbish you post here is not different from what shekau and boko haram is doing in the north.. 1000 years from now a lilliputian like you will say boko haram conquered Nigeria and shekau a hero..
good thing is that people in that time will also hear stories of Great Benin kingdom and its conquests of the Yoruba race..

TAO12:
Yes, I know. Lies can never be substantiated.

Go away dry skull.

Go away to where??
I'm like Great Benin influence that's forever enshrined in yoruba history.. it goes no where..
Edo people of Great Benin kingdom conquered and ruled the Yorubas for many years..
You can't change that or runaway from that.. we dey here lol..

UGBE634:
It is not divisive, this is reality man, just trying to point it out to that man that she will have no problem standing on her own at all as she is bigger than comoros, Sao tome principe, Seychelles, Mauritius and cape verde combined both in landmass and in population so definitely she should have no problem standing on her own maybe the other parts was not needed anyway but sincerely it was for emphasis

You are going too far to those African countries sef.. Edo state is almost bigger than all the ibo states put together..

TAO12:
I talk to those who have the ability to substantiate their claims.

Foolish you, nobody is substantiating any claims. Your frustration is already enough evidence of my tribe's conquest and influence over your tribe.. it is called GENERATIONAL FRUSTRATION..
You have nothing to say, only your long epistles which nobody reads..
And the only thing u can do is argue blindly about Benin history and its conquest of the yoruba race (eastern yoruba).

TAO12:
A very dumb and poor attempt at reverse psychology.

Please find another method of begging me to stop debunking Benin falsehood.

I love debunking Benin lies. It is my favorite pastime.

Ntor!

Continue trying to convince the world that Great Benin kingdom did not conquer yorubas.. it's a hard task for you oo.. Everyone already heard and read long time ago that Benin was a great Empire and it conquered and ruled yorubas (your forefathers) for many years..
The igbo man read it, the hausa/fulanis know that, the Europeans saw it, the Edos did it..

Truthshots2:
She/he has medical problems which only psychiatrists can solve. Mental illness is not a joke. He/she needs to see the best psychiatrists.

I think it's just frustration.. do u know how frustrating it may be when the only parts of your history is filled with enslavement and being conquered/ruled for almost a thousand years by a "2 by 2" kingdom?
Na frustration of not being able to change history..
I don tell her in her old age she will still be arguing Great Benin history and its subjugation of Yorubas..
na her curse be that..

Jagunlabiodua:
You are talking about Europeans while I’m telling you the history of creation before the Europeans were formed

It's the history and revisions written by Europeans you Yorubas are parading as facts and true.. Our (and yours) oral history doesn't have yoruba in it, and it says Great Benin conquered and ruled many parts of what is now known as Yoruba..
Or isn't that the true history?

TAO11:
Be calming down the. Did you see the word “first” at all??

That tell you that there was no Buhari, Supreme Court, or Federal Gazette or even the name “Warri” at the time of the first Olu.

By the way, I’m aware that the present day olus have authority over all of Warri.

Donkress u are still here arguing Edo history.. I told u before, you will spend all your life arguing history you can't change..
No worry, your grandchildren will one day ask you if Great Benin conquered yoruba.. you can save your long epistles for them..

TAO12:
You have already been initiated as king’s slave.

And your slave-master (the king) said Oranmiyan is his fore-father. Periodt.
Where is the lie in the ‘proven fact’ that Ewuare 1 is a ‘fairytale’ from Walter Disney production studios ?

Your yoruba brethren are probably ashamed of you.. you are the only one arguing with hate and frustration..
The others are not like you..

Christistruth00:
The Asanti of Ghana once paid tribute to the Alaafin of Oyo after loosing the battle of Atakampe in Togo in 1764.

Today Ashanti are 100% independent

and Alaafin is not dragging their Gold rich Land with them.

Alaafin is also not dragging Land with the Ga tribe of Accra Ghana nor Ewe of Togo and Ghana,they were all once under him.but today their Land is theirs,

Even Porto Novo Capital of Benin Republic and Badagry belonged to the Alaafin of Oyo but today they are fully independent nobody is dragging their God Given Lands

The whole of east yoruba was once under Benin and Benin is not dragging land with them..