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TAO11:
And as expected, david-the-dullard didn’t disappoint.

I’d give you one more chance by copying and pasting the comment here again.

The only person that buys your nonsense is you..
Everyone knows Oduduwa is not yoruba..

TAO11:
Hey Dullard:

Please inform us what HiStOriAn said that, and in what year??

[Folks, pay attention to how this simple question will be difficult for him to answer to the letter]

Everybody Tom, Dick, and Harry wants Oduduwa. Who no like better thing?

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For your information:

The up-to-date unanimous submission of the world’s historical scholarship of African & Yoruba History as at now is in line with the aboriginal Yoruba narrative of Oduduwa’s historical roots.

And it states that, “It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised”.

If you like die because you want Oduduwa a.k.a. better pikin.

I don't want to argue why you continue living in denial, that's your business.. but for your information, everywhere you look you only find 3 options for Oduduwa's origin. They are;

A. East from mecca
B. East from Edo (Igodomigodo)
C. Up, fell from the sky.

These are your only options, so choose the most reasonable and logical option.

TAO11:
Well, you are allowed to dream. The so-called Igala boy (whom no Igala account agrees with) is allowed to dream as well.

However, historians’ conclusion stands that Oduduwa has absolutely nothing to do with Benin except that one of his male descendants established a monarchy over the backward Binis.

Mugu, historians also say he is not from Yoruba but a foreigner that became your Abraham. So what are u celebrating?

gregyboy:
Young man check all our bronze artwork if you see tribal marks let me know


The marks you will see are iwu and iwu are not tribal marks but tattoo markings

Tribal marks in benin was adopted after the empire fell

Benin men in the olden days didnt wear shirt and this iwu markings were mostly done on the chest downward so a benin man from afar could be recognized

The medicinal one you're talking about is different from iwu and tribal markings


If you keep observing this little things it would give you a clue on unlocking others

So do you have a picture of what the body markings look? Who did they copy the facial markings from?

Fezz:
You are a clown. The same Oba clearly stated in his inauguration speech that the exiled prince Oduduwa also known as Ekalederan is the son of Ogiso owodo. Go and listen to the full inauguration speech of the Oba. You probably watched the edited version. Lol

He listened to the full speech, just don't want to accept that their great Oduduwa was an exiled Edo prince.. he puts his pride before his senses..

gregyboy:
Benin never had tribal marks for face

Check the pics of oba ovaramen, along with the Chiefs who were killed in the 1897 massacre non had a tribal markings on their face neither the great grand father of governor obaseki

What benin had was tribal markings on thier bodies,

Tribal marks on the face were rrcrnt development borrowed from other tribe

What do u mean Benin never had tribal marks and it was recent development borrowed from other tribes?
Markings on bodies are mostly medicinal and tattoos.

Tribal/facial marks are mostly no longer done.. so if it is recent development as u say then it didn't last long because most edos born after 80s dont have facial markings.

babtoundey:
And if Oba means "celestial light", what would iyooba mean? Mother of the celestial light?

This is very dumb, typical of a yoruba..
I guess Iya Babatunde will mean, Mother of father has come?

gregyboy:
Thw scholar was defending it but if you go through the entire article ypu will see how desperate egharevba was and i believed he did it, to initially distort it

What spelling error could it be that was a lame excuse

Lol.. u too funny

gregyboy:
If the oba was a yoruba man like this men are forcing me to believe why is oba of benin not having a yoruba tribal mark or an ife tribal mark on his face..... To show ancestory


Make my benin people they think oo if they want the best for themselves


I hate that benin my tribe are skacking behind and they feel comfortable in it


They can't eveb think for themselves
Mtcheew

Etrusen
Fezz

You are getting it wrong.. A greater percentage of Edos never believe or think the Oba of Benin to be Yoruba or descendant of Yoruba man.

gregyboy:
If you check my very first comment on this thread i made a comment that the oba is playing politcs here with Oduduwa history

Not untill the fezz guy attacked me that he has been watching me closely that i have been distorting benin history because am i afraid to debate the yorunas so i took a different approach saying oduduwa didn't exist


I don beg am make he vist my profile make e enlightening himself but no veil, if he was a yoruba guy i for don curse sense enter e brain

Well your approach (passionate and hot tempered) probably is not the best way.. like samuk said, a gentle approach is better..
Even if we say Oduduwa is a myth due to our research don't forget our Oba says he existed and was an Edo prince before he became Oduduwa.. so a lot of Edos will believe that too..

gregyboy:
I know that particular quote TAO11 once referenced it and i have it on one of my thread

That qoute was made in early 1900 probably 1908, when the europeans enquired about the history of ughton
And they talked about prince Ekaladerhan established ughton how he was banished and he came back fighting fod the throne

That bolded quote was later distorted fdom Ekaladerhan and iweka was used to replace Ekaladerhan in the statement

Like the way egharevba distorted this quote in my screenshot read my scfeenshot carefully

Your screenshot says it was probably a spelling error by Egharevba. The event described there happened 300yrs after Ewuare, i don't think he would intentionally distort something so glaring.

samuk:
I get your point, both can be done at the same time by finding clever ways to put things in their proper historical and political perspectives. When the need arises, we should be able to separate history from politics and at the same time also play politics if we are call upon.

The way I deal with my fellow Benin is to simply point to them that Oduduwa, Ooni, ife and Oranmiyan were not mentioned in Benin written history between 1400s to late 1800s, a period of 400 years, this is usually enough to get them thinking.

Don't forget we all once believed the Oduduwa narrative to be true until it was pointed out that it was a recent narrative which made alot of us to research more into our history. A gentle approach is usually enough otherwise you will lose your audience, and if you do, your message is lost.

You are right bro.. the Oduduwa story was something i always wondered about because it never adds up.. when it was pointed out as a recent narrative and after much reading it still doesn't add up and worse still it isn't even logical..
Even when the chief at Ughoton told the Portuguese about the Ogane from the East, he would have easily added that the Ogane and the Oba were descendants of same ancestor or Oduduwa but that wasn't said which makes the Oduduwa story more unbelievable..

Also when the Alaffin told the Europeans about his "friend" the Oba of Benin he could have proudly said they were Oduduwa's descendants but he didn't say that.

Bottomline is that, all the writings about Edo and Yoruba history from pre 1900s already proves Oduduwa is a myth. If he wasn't mentioned in any of the hundreds of ancient writings we have then he didn't exist.

gregyboy:
Oga any of the oba can introduced the adah and eben was it written in the adah thst that ogiso invented it

Am telling you nothing like ogiso existed bro

Yes i never deniel the mention of the wods ogiso used by benin in ancient context, i simply showed why it is a myth made up by bins

The title of benin rulers have always been oba

How did i know, i read ancient context, on benin naratives talking about ogiso

One the ancient tex goes like this

*Ogiso ruled in the time of no moon or sun 1600AD

*Ogiso were displace by a whiteman who came through the waters, and slept with the ogiso daughters and gave birth to eweka


With all knowledge from bini custom and history you would see ogiso never existed, it was mythical talks, just like ogene n uhe..


, you said your grandfather talked about names of various ogiso, please what year i really want to know, any names of ogiso after 1914, is void, they were made up by the palace and learnt by the chief recently after 1914


Throughout the mention of ogiso pre 1914
There was never a mentioned of particular name of ogiso who ruled, they only mentioned ogiso as a ruler, and not a particular ogiso
It easy after pre 1914 to make up history to patch history

Was your father a chief or a commoner?


Ogimien history happened long after eweka history, ogiemien history had no associate with any oromiyan or Oduduwa that didnt exist,

Ekaladerhan and ogiemien history
Was simply when prince Ekaladerhan was accused of sleeping with one of his fathers wife, his father was an oba not ogiso because ogiso never ruled, this made the then oba father angry, and asked them to kill Ekaladerhan with no appellation or judgement, Ekaladerhan fled to ughton that was yet unestablished then as a settlement and hid
In the forest of ughton, and later after the oba had died the truth came out Ekaladerhan was wrongfully accused and some chief went in search of him they found him at ughoton and was asked to come to take his throne, that
Ogiemien (lord of the sea) probably a strong olokun worshiper which tells from his name
Had already sat on the throne and Ekaladerhan fought him and they came to an agreement after the war, because of much causualtity...
Note: the ogimien would say anything to get attention saying the oba is a yoruba man makes him more eligible to the throne...

Now oba erediawa in blessed memory twisted the original story of Ekaladerhan taken around 1906 and added oromiyan and eweka to it....to have a flavour of Oduduwa and attached it to yoruba

Youre making my work hard Pick a book and read


See my screenshot below from a Benin renowned historian

I will keep on telling the correct history on Nairaland till the truth is out, i know some palace people are on Nairaland here


Screenshot one shows how egharevba describe the ogisos

Picture 2 shows were egharevba got his information from

Be careful how you explain your opinion of Edo history so as not to get confused.
If you say Ekaladeran's father was an Oba and Eweka was the first Oba, then you mean Eweka predates Ekaladeran?

gregyboy:
Who told you the title was rotational... Nawa foe you you just carry form anything for your head they give me to believe

On the illustration i gave on how benin were united under eweka,
I didn't just form it on my head like you just formed yours


It took me knowledge of various bini historical document and event in benin documented by europeans for me to give such analysis

Who told you they were rotational can you give me any past even in benin history that made you have this rotational thinking of political system of ogiso

Bro i don't make up stories like the Yorubas ooo..
Just like you, i read a lot and have come across many writings about Edo history, i never saved any of them because i wasn't on nairaland then..

One writing described Igodomigodo as a union of clans whose rulers were called Ogisos. The title was rotational amongst the various clans and the last Ogiso (Owodo) wanted his son Ekaladeran to be the next ogiso as against the norm.. It says Ekaladeran was a handsome prince and was much loved by the people (especially those of his clan Efa).
Owodo's wife was against Ekaladeran becoming the next Ogiso and this made her lie against him resulting in his banishment by his father.

I read this narrative long ago though i didn't think much of it then and couldn't verify it was a true account but it does make sense and logical..

I also read in an article that described the coming of Eweka that says; "when eweka came to benin he moved from village to village, where the people were weak he fought them and captured them, if they were strong he talk gently to them and won them over."

So my bro, we have all come across many writings about Benin history, we have to filter the rubbish (like the Yoruba stories) and research on the logical and sensible ones..

Stay blessed.

Olu317:
Your ignorance is geometric.The point is that Ekaladeran descendants are alive. Infact they are in Ughoton and in this case conscripted as Captain, Ohen okun and as Olokun worshiper,b

'Many reasons could be adduced. First, the Ohen-Okun, the chief of Ughoton was at this time the head of the village as well as the chief priest of Olokun temple, who was direct descendants of Prince Ekaladerhan, the founder of Ughoton village. So sending the chief of Ughoton as an ambassador to Portugal was like sending a Prince from the palace of the Oba to Benin'.

From above statement Olofin DodoIwa/ DuduIwa/ Odua was not your Ogiso Owodo's Ekalaredan,who founded and died in Ughoton.I thought you people claimed he had no children apart from mysterious Ileife children in your dreams.



In the furtherance of bursting Edo e-liars , Alfonso d' Aveiro account says, 'And the king of Benin sent to the king of Portugal as Ambassador, a negro who was his captain in a seaport known as Ugato wishing to have news of our lands, the people of which had been in Beny considered a great novelty”…

This only proof that he was not a prince but a loyal servant to the Oba from Yoruba ancestor.

I said before you are shallow minded like your fellow Yorubas on nairaland.. Your article clearly says the reason Ohen Okun was sent to Portugal was because of his blood link to the palace. The Oba and Edos regards Ekaladeran as a prince of the palace and ancestors of all Benin Obas..
Ekaladeran may not be your Oduduwa but he is the father of all Benin Obas.
I can even say he is Oduduwa seeing as he is good at creating chief priests (Ohen Okun, Ooni) and worship centers (Ughoton and Ife) lol..

I think if your alaffin sent someone as an ambassador the Portuguese would have also said " the alaffin sent a negro" so i dont know what your dumb brain is celebrating in your last paragraph..

Olu317:
Your Oba knows the truth , which is the reason, he took it upon himself to honour his ancestors by doing a sacrificial rites as being done by Fagbamila Olalomi, Oramiya, Owu, Ake, Alaafin, Awujale,etc.

Meanwhile, Ekerlederan died in Ughoton. . Edo liars. Read the founder of Ughoton direct descendants , who went to visit King Emmanuel of Portugal in 1505.

Itis a fact that Ughoton Ohen Olokun was the direct descendant of Ekerlederan; descendant of Owodo.

Interview with Mrs. F. Iguakun, Age-46, Venue Ughoton, Occupation-Nursing.

Interview conducted on 15-4-2013. For further information on religion at Ughoton, see interview with Christopher Enodunmwenben, Age-59, occupation – farming , venue-Ughoton.

Interview conducted on 6-4-2013 and interview with Rolland Obazee, Age-71, Occupation-Retired Soldier, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Interview with Thomas Okunhon, Age-75, Occupation-farming, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Isichie, E . History of West Africa since 1800 (Macmillan Publishers, 1969)

You are funny and I think kind of shallow.
This last paragraph of the document you posted already gives an insight how the Oba and the Edos at that time see Ekaladeran. If the Oba regards Ekaladeran as a son of the palace then he obviously regarded him as of one blood and his ancestors. This provess a link between Ekaladeran and the Obas, not some stupid stories from you Yorubas..
The Obas of Benin are descendants of Ekaladeran.

gregyboy:
The ogiso the benins mentioned to europeans in the 1600Ad were one of their mythical faiy tale stories

The bini people started by migrating to their present location and they once lived in fragmented clan and each clan rose to be stronger with leaders protecting their clans, but they were so much dissatisfaction coming from the rulers the various benin clan, and man called eweka rose up from a particular clan and fought wars with the other clans defeated their leaders and formed an autonomous kingdom, after a while some clans wanted to succeed and they were attacked and defeated and there was a need to form a central government were the oba was supreme

Now oba eweka from my research would be the founder of benin kingdom and was the first oba

You are talking about the Igodomigodo before the breakup of the union and establishment of the Oba title.. however the Ogisos are not myth or fairytales. they actually ruled the Igodomigodo. The title was rotational among the various clans and held less power..

Like you mentioned, before Eweka there were rulers, what do you think those rulers were called?

samuk:
Benin history have a way of getting into some people's head and becomes a lifelong obsession, poor TAO11, she has bought a market for life. She is going to be arguing Benin history with no end, constantly looking for where Benin is mentioned, to jump in, it doesn't matter if it concerns her or not.

Even TAO11's obsession is already a proof of Benin influence over the Yorubas.

samuk:
If the Oba of Benin says anything or hold any position, mythical or not, no any Yoruba Oba have the historical authority to contradict him, they all know it. On what historical leg are they going to stand on to challenge the Oba of Benin position.

This is actually very true..
There was a time the Alaffin was asked about a statement the Oba of Benin said regarding Oduduwa being an Edo prince. The Alaffin's response was, if the Oba of Benin says so then the Oba of Benin is right.

gregyboy:
Ogisi are fairy-tales benin mentioned ogiso to the europeans as early as 1600, you can find that in my numerous thread


They binis quote

Ogiso ruled during the time of no sun or mion

This is to tell you ogiso were ancient myth believe by benins to explain heavenly or spiritual phenomena and to give the oba a divinc phenomenon


Without further discussion visit my profile i talked on it extensively


Ogiso were fairtales


Ogiso means sky kings-royals, what do you espect

So if Eweka was the first Oba, what was the previous rulers called?

gregyboy:
Guy stop priding with ignorance....

I wont go extra miles to dig up materials to disprove you dont worth it,

You dont worth it, not at a particular time i am busy....

Your laziness stings i want to belive you're yoruba trying to use an edo identity against me on a norms an edo man wont be this persistence you remain a suspect....


Anyway the benins in 1600 told europeans

Ogiso ruled in the time of "no sun or moon", i hope you regard this as a fairycious statement

If you need me to dig you this particular quote with refrence, i will charge you 3k for it, for your laziness and blockheadness


Are you aware as far back as 1400Ad europeans visited the benin palace to take document about their history...
They didnt just visit benin they actually visited the palace and had a chat with the benin royals and even spoke bini


The origin of ogba river were a human turned into a river is a myth,

Are you aware benin origin of creation...

How osanobua children descend fron the sky to earth only that in the myth they didnt specify their neans of transportation unlike the yorubas who specified theirs as chain climbers, probably osanobua children jumped from heaven to earth

Again the Portuguese relationship with binis ended very shortly it lasted 200yrs,you mentioning Portuguese instead of europeans tells how little you know in benin history


My guy go sitdown

You dont know benin history, you dont know yoruba history but attacked me proactively with an empty coconut head

If you pick a book and research bini and yoruba history thoroughly will you die.......


You know nothing i can detect is the history you read on net, that you came here to argue on

Nairaland is a place to meet people who are smarter and knowledgeable than you, you can only learn new thing if you drop what you already know

Are u saying Ogisos are not real but fairytales?

TAO11:
Another senseless pleading as is to be expected :- yOrUbAs HiReD tHe EuRoPeANs tO wRiTe tHaT. Very typical.

Wait! Did you really ask about Benin bronze with chalk marks of Yoruba tribal marks? What!? Which hole were your dug out from??

By the way chalks are not one and the same thing as razor. I needed to point that out to you due to your confusion.

And which Benin bronze depicts the coronation stage noted by M. Crowder, or which Benin bronze depicts any coronation event at all?? Your dumbness syndrome na follow come.

And please point out any single pRe-CoLoNiAL article which discusses Benin coronation.

Use your brain for once today, this is the only escape route you have from remaining a slave of the Yoruba dynasty in Benin kingdom. Haha!

Oduduwa is NOT a title, dullard.

No Benin Chief took Oduduwa as a title, dullard.

He is NOT Ekaladerhan because historians have called out your Benin fraudster on that.

Oduduwa didn’t rule Benin, so your pleading is of zero consequence.

Iginuwa went to rule Itsekiri, and his name remained his name, Iginuwa.

Why do you Binis strongly believe that if you repeat a lie many times it will magically transform into truth?? Lol. Why?

Oba is NOT a short form of Omon’oban’Edo.

Oba is a Yoruba word, while Omon’oban’Edo is a phrase that contains the word Oba.

Your king is the son of a king elsewhere. Your Oba is an Omo n’Oba.

Your argumentative disorder has no cure lol. I told u before you will continue to argue Edo history for a long time..

UGBE634:
when they said Benin there, they meant the empire which afemai villages were a part of, they migrated from Benin does not make them Bini. the very group called Bini is the very group called Edo. these afemai groups are edoid groups not Edo. I can see the name of the state is what is confusing you, the people called Edo are the people living in and around Benin city. I said you should wake me up when ogendegbe got to ewu, esanland. then I will take you serious, EHOR is too far. even if lion injure, dog still know he mate. The areas they disturbed as seen from your excerpt above were the extreme northern end of the empire

Ogedengbe didn't reach anywhere dont let these pained Yorubas suffering from argumentative disorder lie to you..
Ogedengbe was just a bandit raiding small farm settlements at border villages, when he learnt benin forces were on the way to confront him he fled.. the benin general that informed him of Benin plans to capture him was executed for that..
Ogedengbe the thief was latter hanged for stealing a goat..
Yorubas have no heroes to celebrate so they praise their thieves and their slave raiders..

TAO12:
Haha! Finally, a screenshot which confirms my video of Edo’s 21^st century return back home to Benin.

In other words, the enslaved Edos whom the Yorubas sold were too weak to demand freedom & repatriation back to Africa until 400 years later.

The enslaved Edos remained slaves in the Americas for 400 years. It took their descendants to leverage on the science of Genetics in order to map their way back home to Benin kingdom as the video below shows.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM

See also:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996709_af6378be36104010b036a2f7ab4096cd_jpeg_jpeg07ca8a3f5b191f4126cdcd6bf2f7faf7

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12996710_b28de88ee10a4b7a83b95532f6609396_jpeg_jpegaca1a6203806c9d893c79b42b9a6c76e

Cheers!

Poor you, nobody cares about your rubbish.. everyone knows the sorry plight of the Yorubas; conquered, sold as slaves, almost destroyed themselves using Edo guns and canons..
You cannot hide from the weak history of your ancestors.. i know its the shame that is causing the inferiority and argumentative personality u are suffering from.

TAO12:
Ewuare-2 never claim led to be an Ooni. He only said the Oonis are his forefathers.

Do you still still strongly believe that Ewuare-2 is an irredeemable dullard?

Typical yoruba.. na una be this.

Etrusen:
don't you think a better way and approach can be use ?


what do you feel is the solution

because I believe something can be done even from among us

the pain u have for this issue cannot be compared to that of mine

Charity begins at home.. for me i make sure my kids understand the language, know where they are from and their history and legacies of their ancestors (their ancestors are conquerors) and also associate themselves with edo community here..
Families have a big role to play, just waiting on the elders and palace to take lead wont work, they are busy enriching themselves..

Etrusen:
nice !!!

but a lot has to be done to keep the struggle alive

Yes bro and each of us have a role to play..

Olu317:
Are you for real ? Please, I do not entertain trash so, kindly go study to know your history. Your whole Bini that her population is not more than 500,000 thousands

I think your numbers was still larger than ours about 700years ago when we first conquered and then ruled your ancestors for a 700years.. u had the numbers and we had the power..

Olu317:
Are you aware Ekelderan had descendants in Ughoton and died in Ughoton ? . Bini and lies are best of friends.

I'm aware that you are not Edo..

TAO12:
One!

Fifty-nine more repetition to go in order to convert lies to truth.

You can do this.

I ljust love history... it gives me bragging rights over you for life.. your only option is to be an argumentative person which u are already suffering from and i love that na we cause am for u..

Etrusen:
YES
like you said the Edo kingdom is forever that is not the problem

but the problem here is that how long will the kingdom language sovereignty last when it's already dying

where are you base please if I may ask
in Edo or outside ?

Im in north america

TAO12:
Type the following statements 60 times each, and I promise you it will change to truth.

(1) “We [are] ... greater than Yorubas”

(2) “We achieved [greatness] ... through conquest of ... the Yorubas”

60 times each; I’ll be counting for you, let’s go.

I know u are embarrassed by records that says; the Edo people of Benin kingdom conquered and ruled the yoruba people..
Too bad and embarrassing for you the records are not going anywhere..