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UGBE634:
that is the oral narrative the Ughoton people have, I think someone quoted ling roth in time past on this issue, when I lay my hands on it, I would post

UGBE634:
what do you want me to think, since it is proven Ekaladerhan died at Ughoton, an outright invite of a stranger would not make sense. The situation of a foreign culture (the Oba title already insinuate it is foreign)in another land most times involves blood and war- there is a missing link in history samuel

samuk:
Can you see how you are making assumptions to support your narrative. You are no longer convinced that there was an invitation but an attack that defeated the original Benin people, are you really serious right now? Not even the Alaafin and the Ooni went this far. Yet you claimed to be searching for the truth and defending Benin history.

UGBE634:
I would not tilt to the fact that they invited a stranger, the thing now is that Ekaladerhan seem to have died in Ughoton. That is why I am opining there seem to have been a conquest In history-the missing link. Possibly an attack was orchestrated from Usen after they migrated from Ife and stayed there for a while.

UGBE634:
I am up for truth and not partisan argument,why is the epicenter of the Edo Civilization using Oba instead of Ogie

If there is anything we can seem to take home is the fact that the Oba seem to be more western than anything else

The Oba title more than not seem intuitively not an Indigenous title, it is not what I can stomach, it is not what I have been able to digest.

To me there seem to have been a launch in attack and maybe the aborigines in Benin city were conquered and the Oba stool and title situated. That invitation does not really make sense to me, there is a missing link in history that is yet not properly explained

It would seem that the people migrated to the Usen area and an attack was launched at the centre to defeat those in charge and certainly take over power. That seem to account for the warlike nature of the ruling dynasty

TAO11:
You were even scared to quote the comment in full.
Him alone or as part of team comprising people of varying age, etc.?

Was his pace of travel also slow—as mentioned in the text about the Bini ambassadors?

Was his trip like the traditional one from Uromi (Ishan) Benin city which took an average of 5 months?

My comment is actually for those who have the ability to make use of their brain.

Peace!

Cc: Abohboy

TAO11:
Regarding the 20 moons’ journey, Ife was in fact 20 moons’ walking trip away from Benin. Make Sure To Read It:

Summary:
(1) The “traditional” walking distance from Benin to Ile-Ife took an average of 17.4 months

(2) 17.4 months are equivalent to 530.178 days (i.e. 17.4 months * 30.47days per month).

(3) 530.178 days are equivalent to 19.4 moons (i.e. 530.178 days / 27.322 days per moon).

In conclusion, the facts and figures turn out to prove that the “traditional” trip from Benin city to Ile-Ife took an average of 19.4 moons.

This answer is therefore astoundingly accurate for all practical intents and purpose.

From this again, we see that Ife is indeed the place of the Ogané of the Portuguese text. The Bini informant knew exactly what he was talking about.

Peace!

tolakush92:
THIS CAN NEVER HAPPEN IN YORUBA LAND. SPITS

kingviny:
If only he had come across Phytoscience stem cells products . Pancreatic cancer is a small case. We handle far more than that!

The Stem cells would recreate a new pancreas for him and he would still have been alive till today.

Information is life!

UGBE634:
"Overview of 19th Century Wars and Turbulence on Ado-Ekiti:
No part of Ekiti was spared the agony of imperialist invasions… The rampaging Benin armies sacked Ogotun, Aramoko, some subordinate communities of Ijero, Ado communities such as Are, Afao, Ugbo (now Ilu) Omoba and Agbado and settled a large percentage of the haul of captives therefrom in Ikere, their garrison post.
Benin armies constantly waged wars of external aggressions on Ekitiland and other communities in different parts of old Ondo State in their quest for territorial expansion and control, among others. A good reference point is the Ado-Ikere relations that resulted to Benin pillage and attacks on Ado-Ekiti on several occasion. Olomola (1984:2-3) noted that Benin armies invaded parts of Ado kingdom a few times between 1500 and 1815.. Olomola further asserted that the Ewi actually devise a strategy of evacuating his capital city so that the Benin armies would not disturb the Ewi and the rest of his people in their new site.
Odo which was, before the Benin invasion a town of considerable size, broke up as the people sought the safety of rocky and forest recesses and Uyin and Igede lost part of their population in their fight against Benin in 1815.
The development of the Ado Kingdom was seriously affected by external invasion. These resulted in series of demographic upheavals with settlements constantly moved from one site to another. The most serious of these external invasions were by the "Edo" of Benin. They attacked and destroyed many settlements…in the Ado Kingdom… The Edos were invited by Ogoga, the third time the Edos were so invited to settle the quarrel between Ado and Ikere. The line of action they resolved to adopt was to bring all the villages under the ewi to Ikere, settle them there and in this way Ikere would be equal or even bigger than Ado. Ado would then be afraid of Ikere. The Benin soldiers came and sent words to the Ewi Aroloye… He refused to surrender. He did not in any way show that he was not ready for fight. Every town or village under him except Ijan were prepared to fight…
Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight… The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworoko. Most of the gods Ado worshipped on that side: Olua at Eyio, Obanifon at Esure and Are, Ogbese and Orisala at Iworoko. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job…’
Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders’. This is not embattled, this is total defeat, tell this history too, where come remain for the Ekiti and Ondo. Uromi Oye!!!! EDORODION!!!! I go die oo!!! I go die oo!!!!!!EDO!!!!! EDO!!!!!! Iye o!!!!! Iye oo!!!!Kai!!!

TAO11:
Your brother (whom I was engaging earlier) agreed to the point below. Take your tears to him:

Ogedengbe terrorized Owan [as well as Etsako] in Benin kingdom.

Benin was forced to placate him with wealth, women, & slaves so he doesn’t push further south towards the palace.

Ogedengbe terrorized Benin kingdom. He terrorized the oba of Benin kingdom.

Ogedengbe later become a king in his home-country, and he continued to live as king until his death at the old age of 88.

Oh I forgot to mention that Ogedengbe sold his Benin Kingdom captives into the Atlantic slave trade.

Take heart.

TAO11:
Ogedengbe terrorized Owan [as well as Etsako] in Benin kingdom.

Benin was forced to placate him with wealth, women, & slaves so he doesn’t push further south towards the palace.

Ogedengbe terrorized Benin kingdom. He terrorized the oba of Benin kingdom.

Ogedengbe later become a king in his home-country, and he continued to live as king until his death at the old age of 88.

Take heart, cheers.

TAO11:
IF (and this is a big “IF” because Binis are liars) indeed he also wiped Etsako in addition to Owan which we all know about, then doesn’t your 1KB brain tell you that Owan and Etsako are both before Esan approaching from the north southwards??

How does your 1KB brain come up with the idea of “bYpAsSeD” when Esan is not sandwiched in between Owan & Etsako, and when Owan & Etsako are both before Esan approaching from the north towards the south??

From your additional “information,” you’ve simply demonstrated that Ogedengbe started from Owan and deciding to wipe off that North before proceeding to the south.

A Bini liar is in deep mess.
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Q: Were the places he ravaged Benin Kingdom or not?

A: Of course they’re Benin Kingdom.
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Q: Coming from Yorubaland, will he get to your oba’s palace first before those places, or those places first?

A: Those parts of Benin kingdom first.
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Q: After he was back to his country, did Benin dare attack him?

A: Benin kingdom dares not.
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Q: Why didn’t Benin kingdom later attack him?

A: Well they dare not. They begged him out of Benin kingdom in the first place.
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Once upon a time, a Yoruba cOwArD terrorized the oba of Benin.

Order your T-shirt now. Classical onye-dot.

Cheers.

Cc: Christistruth00

ThickSharon123:
Now when you talk of the Roman empire, their remnants can still be found in most parts of Africa and in Europe, one example in Africa is "The Great Alexandria" seaport of North Africa and more.

In Britain we have many that can be mentioned, and the Britons are proud that Rome is part of their history, followed with France, and the rest.

Now, the Bini people claim they ruled and ruled large expanse of land. They have no common cultural attire with the Igbo, language none, festival none, and all...that's one.

Secondly, the Oba seemed like he was thirsty to have more subjects under him, and as a king his worthy for that. The east was rich with not only resources that could be used for the Obas expansive agenda for that time, but people that can be applied to the military, why did he forsake them? The east, very well seems untouched to your Oba, in which you claim Igbos was under his rule.

The Obas main interest was the west, but I guess he tried but was resisted by them westerners.

And for the Onitsha and Bini relationship that you said doctor Nnamdi talked about, if they were so close, is it that they didn't know that there were more people like the Anambra people, and the Oba could conquer...my dear, this is all logic.

Using placards and bronze all isn't proof of rulership my dear, it was written by men (and please I'm not refuting that,)

But what bewilders me is the level of pristinity of the east when it comes to Benin. And if they influenced Onitshas why don't they speak a corrupted form of Benin at least, if they were in a so-called peaceful and harmonious relationship. It all doesn't make sense.

RedboneSmith:
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Let me repeat my question: point me to the evidence in his book that he came from Anambra.

RedboneSmith:
Small question. Point me to the part of Equiano's book where he told you his village was in Anambra.

It's like people change the poor man's identity to suit their agenda at any given time. It is on this same forum that we have people running around saying he was from Ashaka in Delta State.

ThickSharon123:
I've read about him. My question, goes to this. One man's details of origin shouldn't be for all. And as I've read and how enlightened I am, I observed that the Oba was in good heads with most strangers in the land in those period, the Portuguese and English alike. That gave him the advantage to sell his people, when the strangers had supplied them guns.

So, for Equinos case, it's his pedigree and he can stick with it.

My question is, if the Edo ruled all, at lease there needs to be some things in the lands indicating his past rulership. Like, roads named for him, a honourable festival, names that directly like to the Oba, and all that stuff.

Oba had also sold other tribes, Eluado's side shouldn't be the only deduction to the story, dear. Thank you.


And to add, Oba rarely expanded his kingdom in the east. I know the Oba desired to expand, was he afraid of the East that he rarely expanded, or the West. It's numbing as I even think of it.

ThickSharon123:
I want to ask, my popsy is Ghanaian, and my mom is a beautiful Igbo women, who isn't conservative.

Since my stay in this platform. EDO people claim that they ruled and owned Yoruba, Igbo and most people in the South, Ijaws, and the rest included. I'm not shaking tables, biko. But how true is this?

If it is, why does the Oba rule a kingdom just a few meters stretch, why are there no festivals honouring the Oba? Why would the Oba lose his strongholds so quickly after Colonialism? These are major questions that needs to be answered. I want an answer to this.
Meda wo Ase medaase, and Dalu too

ThickSharon123:
Is a lie, stop whitewashing this. And I'm sure your Oba has never claimed such. Only people like you going out with your agenda to feel like you have a presence when none.

TAO11:
It’s the minority tribe syndrome, and inferiority complex, mixed with some delusions of grandeur that has led them to such mental disorders.

They also LITERALLY say that their king once ruled from Benin city to Congo to Europe, and all the way to Japan. I am not exaggerating.

Now you know it’s actually a mental illness.

gregyboy:
https://beninexpedition120yearson.weebly.com/oba-overami-trial-transcript.html

Read that and read other books too make personal research yourself

gregyboy:
Yes i call it racial misinformation because the britsh wrote the history of benin the war with racial sentiment to glorify their race during the period of heavy racial discrimination in the world... They lied about the war when they needed to and said truth when they wanted.. Benin falling under 2weeks to the britsh force was a lie, benin the city of blood was another lie

Etinosa1234
Samuk
Davidnazee

ijawcitizen:
The Ogiso dynasty wasn't heriditary. It was more like a traditional/customary democracy setting where the kingship rotated from town to town amongst the natives of the Benin Region who are the Ijaws, Binis & Urhobo.

Here is one more identifiable Ijaw Ogiso after the first two
" Ogiso Erebo (618– 632 CE), was a fisherman and canoe
carver, chosen from Okhorho quarters. (IKORO is an Ijaw community in Olodiama clan) He had a
repertoire of stories about sea animals such as
mermaids, sharks, crocodiles etc.

SOURCE: http://www.edofolks.com/html/osahon_ogiso_dynasty.htm

But today, the Oba of Benin (who is in fact a migrant) is describing the Ijaws in Edo state as riverine settlers from Bayelsa!

YungMillionaire:
Finally, go and sit down. I am sure you are one of those miscreants that were making mouth saying Tsola will not ascend the throne. How far?

samuk:
They like to dabble into subjects they know very little about instead of thinking about how to get Ilorin back from their Fulani overlord.

samuk:
Guy, are you okay? Which Benin chief/chiefs interfered in what is going on with Tsola.

Incase you are not aware, let me educate you and hopefully cure your ignorance.

1. Tsola is married to the daughter of Captain Hosa, a Benin billionaire.
2. Tsola was made a director in Captain Hosa's company.
3. The current Oba of Benin as a prince was the royal father in the traditional marriage between Tsola and Captain Hosa's daughter.
4. Captain Hosa is very close to the Benin Palace.
5. Tsola probably have more Benin influence and sympathy for the aforementioned reasons than the other interested parties.
6. Captain Hosa can't divorce himself or show lack of interest in his son inlaw becoming the Olu of Itsekiri and by extension his grandson could also become an Olu in the future.

What makes you think the Benin people care about who the mother of any Olu of Itsekiri is? In Benin, your mother's tribe is not as important as your father's tribe.

You are probably carried away by the social media and lacks the understanding of the politics at play with regards to who becomes Olu of Itsekiri.

The Itsekiri royal family and all Itsekiri prominent chiefs traces the Itsekiri monarchy to Benin, so what different do you think it makes to the average Benin person if Tsola mother is Portuguese. It makes no difference and it will not change the fact that the Itsekiri monarchy is and will continue to be an offshoot of Benin. Where the mother of any prince comes from is irrelevant to us. I personally know of numerous hereditary chiefs in Benin whose mothers are Igbo, Yoruba, Ijaw, Urhobos, etc.

The current Iyase of Benin is of Urhobo ancestry, the current governor of Edo state is of Anioma ancestry. Benin have no issues with Itsekiri, they can claim Yoruba or Fulani, we care less. But the monarchy remains Benin just as the Ilorin Emir remains Fulani with majority Yoruba population.

Spy360:
Your knowledge is quite vast. Please explain the issue of a Yoruba monarch kneeling before the Emir of Ilorin as it relates to the topic.

ghostwon333:
I have no idea, ask the yorubas, in my own opinion, the yorubas do not have real monarchs.

TAO11:
Hmmm!

At timestamp 7:01 to 7:13 of this video, Chief Robinson Ariyo (the Egogo of Warri kingdom) says:

“… Yoruba, a place where we are from … our roots.”

At timestamp 8:22 to 8:27 of this video, Chief Isaac Jemide (the Oshodin of Warri kingdom) says:

“… we are a Yoruba people as such.”

Some people will not like these. LWKMD!

AreaFada2:
If Esan want to go, no Edo person will find that to be a problem. People have the right to go their separate ways. After all Bendel divided and no biggie. Igboid and Yoruboid people have many states.

Why anybody will be swallowing panadol for another man's headache is beyond me.