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"Intelijunt Dezine"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6AdEDm2mLQ&itct=CAcQpDAYCSITCJ2e4t-Q58ECFcHgqgodirMA8DIGcmVsbWZ1SOWSovug85v83QE%3D&gl=NG&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB

"creationist first time on the internet"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fhvmg9oiWU&itct=CB4QpDAYAiITCLjI3_-N58ECFYlkqgodT20A2DIGcmVsbWZ1SIfc8c-YoPHbLQ%3D%3D&gl=NG&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB

MissTeaseMe:
Seconded
Lets get back on track. I have only watched 4 of the videos.
We've not even discussed their contents

okay,which one should we begin with?

"The secret lives of atheists"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbfFAYn8bgc&itct=CAwQpDAYCCITCMv0-veN58ECFYJPqgodKLUALzIGcmVsbWZ1SMi-3dncqu62Iw%3D%3D&gl=NG&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB

@seun,I see this thread being derailed from its intended purpose....

ifeness:
"Our Father, who art is heaven. Hallowed by thy name. Thy kingdom come THY WILL BE DONE, on Earth as it is in heaven."

No Muslim professing to be a servant of Allah, ever made a more abject abdication of personal, and moral freedom than Christians do every time they say the "Lord's Prayer".

Let's look at the rest:

"Give us this day our daily bread."

The master is asked to feed the slave.

"...and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."

Translation: "Please massa! Don't whup me!"

"For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever and ever - amen."

Translated: "You lives in the big house, an' you owns dis here WHOLE place! You got's the whip, so I ain't NEVER sayin' nuttin bad about you!"

Christianity is voluntary slavery.

lol...

HARDDON:
U didn't but u willingly propagate em huh?

What is the essence of this thread? To question d existence of God or to redicule the fact that God inhibits d praises of his people?
Is this thread about casting lot ? Between been a free thinker and having a mind molded on d ever living word of God?

Is it about measuring wisdom with the almighty or throwing stones at his throne?

What exactly is d essence?

To share atheist comedic videos

paulGrundy:
They refused to believe the truth, so God gave them more reasons to be deluded. That's precisely the reason why I rarely argue with atheists.

I don't know how best to tell you this,the definition of a delusion does not fit an atheist;

" A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior
evidence to the contrary"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

You are the one that has a belief with strong conviction despite evidence to the contrary... so now ask yourself if really the belief you have is true and you believe it has no strong evidence to the contrary why are there different versions of the same beliefs and why do atheists still emerge from them?

striktlymi:
The man who holds the view that aliens exist, is as irrational as the man who says: don't be silly mate, there is no such thing as aliens; just because the first dude cannot satisfactorily answer his questions.

so if the man were to offer a calculation based on the billions of galaxies,planets and moons and then deduces that life as we know it were mathematical plausible to exist elsewhere...won't his view be justified?

striktlymi:
It becomes as irrational as 'blind faith' when that skepticism leads one to hold a view he cannot prove.

like?

Mescopaul:
My heart bleeds for these so-called atheists here.

whether you feel contempt or not.. it changes nothing

I always think that a wise man never takes chances in life.

yet,you take the chance of your religion over a thousand others

Here as a human, you've heard and read about the coming king, about the end of the world and what you're to do to escape from the impending doom.

I,ve heard about the coming of many things...from xenu of the scientologists to the norse end of days,ragnorok...
Those claims and yours have several things in common....
They try to create the illusion that the common folk is flawed or broken and in need of transcendent judgement or repair....and then request you offer a myriad of things to the mediary men and women that act as translators for the deity/deities....and they all have insufficient evidences to support the claims...but all demand faith to be believed...if you can only believe anything by faith,you admit to it being unable to be believed on its own merits and qualities...

For a wise person its pointless to argue about or doubt its truism.

Going by your own sense of understanding or logic,why aren't you a polytheist? ...you doubt the faith based claims of other religions but still hold on to yours and yet you say a wise person does not argue or doubt the truism of "god"...so as a wise person....why do you doubt allah or thor?

Now you neglect the warnings and teaching because you think it's all false,

what you should understand about atheism is that we do not make a positive claim that "god" is false,otherwise we'd be the ones proving why the "god" claim is false....
I am still asking,if theistic claims scares you so much why aren't you a polytheist(believing many "gods" )...why aren't you afraid of greek hell tartarus or afraid of allahs own hell?
Is yours more believe-able or scarier?

but i ask myself and every wise person should also ask himself. "what if it turned out to be true, what if a God afterward do exist? What if actualy the end of the world really comes?".

Whats funny here is that you picked your "god" as the one in question...why not what if "gods and goddesses" are true? why if your "god" is true?
And if in some way what would be referred to in context as "a god" or a phenomena that may have had a conscious act in the creation of the universe if it indeed exists... that possibility tells you nothing about "hells" or "judgement" or anything about your existence....those notions and ideas arrive when you believe "sacred texts" on faith...
For all you know "god" could be the universe and we may just be part of its dendrons and nerves...out of countless others.
For all you know "god" could be the matrix if indeed we are living in one...
For all you know "god" could be the programmer,programmers,scientists,scientist,conscious entity or entities running or playing a universe-like simulation for reasons known to them/him/her/it alone.
For all you know you yourself may be "god" who is just as eternally living a life you dreamt up for yourself...when you die,you wake up and think up another dream.
For all you know "god" or what would be termed as one is actually a finite being that died and its carcass is the universe.
All these notions of what might be called a "god or gods" have little or no evidence to them,some are even more plausible than your "god" claims

Why not believe, obey and serve this God, perhaps if it happens to be true, you wouldn't be a fool at last, on the contrary, if this happens not to exist, then you revert to your old belief.

I'm still asking why you don't obey many "gods" and religions following your logic... and how can you evaluate any other claim when you have chosen one as true already? That is the reason you can't evaluate anything outside your belief....because you've taken yours as true from the start...

Either way you have absolutely nothing to loose (so to say) .

hmmm lets see...if it is false what wrong have i caused?;
1. I helped spread a lie.
2. I used 10% of my earnings to promote a lie.
3. I lied to children...telling them they were born imperfect beings.
4. I wasted several useful hours of my life being in a church.
5. The time I could have spent cherishing life,I used it to promote a secluded afterlife.
6. The memories I should have cherished for my deceased relatives I spent trying to meet them in the great beyond.
7. The time I could have spent helping matters I offered a prayer instead,thinking an entity would take control.
8. Instead of embracing being human I spat and was remorseful of it.
9. Instead of embracing fellow humans I saw them as wicked beings in need of eternal torture.
10. Instead of helping to donate to scientific research that would help in understanding,I offered it to churches.
etc

This atheism practiced here is almost making me loathe Nairaland, i might sign out permanently if i'm pushed to the wall. ..i didn't follow this post, i just saw it among my followed topics..

Why not walk a mile in my shoes?
Everywhere I go in Nigeria there are theists... they knock on my doors and try to push their dogma to me, they disturb the public with sirens of their beliefs,they push their beliefs in schools and other sectors of the soceity..... they will push pamphlets to you and get offensive if you reject or discard it..
The society sees me as a stupid or unwise person(you included think this)......
How do you think I feel if the mere mention of disbelief gets me a sack letter,ridicule and open hostilities?
If you quit nairaland,you still have your theistic based society,what do I have to go to?
So you can't bear the 1% of outlets that atheists are in when you as a theist and with other theists have 99%?

Pls let's try and be wise thinkers,

says one who swallows claims of a man walking on water and a talking donkey as 100% true without confirmation

i'm nt saying any should abandon his belief.

okay..I don't have a belief.

For instance i'm a christian, and according to some of you here, if at the long run it turns out that God doesn't exist i have nothing to loose, but if i neglect God now on the basis of atheism, then what if at the long run it now turns out that God realy do exist and that hell do exist,

so you picked the possibility of the christian "god" and now rode on from there? from what i've said so far,alot of "ifs" are postulated... whether they are true is the point...
Again if the claims of eternal torture scares you why not believe all the claims,even your christian "god" has over 41,000 sub-denominations...is the one you picked more possible than the others?

WHAT BECOMES OF ME THEN??

what you believe becomes of you is what you project in your life,here you are calling people you know nothing about fo0ls because of a belief in a reward and punishment scheme used to police ancient communities..

There's no wisdom there, and i call it FOOLISHNESS.

Rivalled by "wisdom" to accept claims on faith and not from such claims being true or validated

striktlymi:
A rationale skeptic necessarily must put a peg to the extent of his skepticism, otherwise he becomes as irrational as the individual who, without 'insider' knowledge, follows faith blindly.


Yes, I believe there should be limits to how skeptic one can be; even when such skepticism is directed at another's beliefs.

what exactly makes skepticism become irrational? is there a limit to questions that should be asked and who gets to decide what must not be questioned?...what questioned position makes one as irrational as blind faith?

malvisguy212:
when i relocate to my new house, the first word i say is this"all the demon,get out from here,moses is here"

hmmmm,this speaks volumes of you....

at the middle of the night,i saw a woman standing in the middle of my room,i smile and say"if you stand tired, you will leave"

so a lady couldn't have sneaked in or you couldn't have been hallucinating or witnessing mirages and illusions?

i know you wont believe me,but am telling you the truth, how do athiest explain this?

how can you tell you are saying the truth?... you didn't make any effort on your own to explain it but likely labelled it a "supernatural encounter"...
And at the end of the day if you looked for explanations and found none...the honest thing to say is "i don't know"

What lead to temptation?

I don't exactly know what you mean by tempation in general but things we term bad are termed so because we perceive them as a risk to our well-being... if you desire to do that which is a risk to you it could either be for thrill,desperation or just being inquisitive about what it could feel or be like...

Can temptation lead to the existence of God? If God do not exist,dos that mean everything is permissable?

please take this notion cognitively;
laws,norms,and mores do not exist because a "god" does....they exist because of people....and people need to have a way with interacting with others that gives everyone no compromise of his/her own well-being....
I do not need magical transcendent beings to tell me chopping of somebody's head is bad....because I do not wish it projected on myself either and it has no value to the persons well-being....

i hate to do somthing,but i find myself doing it, how do you explain this? What type of force is this?

force? lol,no.. if you are addressing what you term "temptation" again....its already answered,if you are however talking about an addiction of some sort,then it is because you've formed a reward system for yourself based on the gain you obtain...
Just like a goat would still go to a place no matter the harm done to it(mind you,although you are not a goat....you are still an animal)

Soooo many question to ask, do you realy think you are living alone?how do you ev explain en dream?

yes I am living alone,and dreams aren't anything special.....dogs too have dreams..

striktlymi:
Faith from Paul's world-view is incompatible with skepticism no matter how healthy. This view of Paul is largely borne by the privilege he had of knowing and following God closely.

For Paul and many of the patriarchs blind faith was necessary but in our present existence, it would be 'dangerous', imho, for anyone who does not have a true experience of his divine majesty, to follow faith blindly without having what I think 'healthy skepticism' should be.

are there limits to how skeptical one can be towards a belief?

when you willingly believe anything on faith....you are denying it being true on its own merits..... if faith is the way you know a jewish guy walked on water,then you are the definition of gullible...

davien:
"POWER CORRUPTS"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA5PlJiqOnk

"Where no "god" treads"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocgZaDmvYPw

Proffdada:
it's a shame atheism is an excuse some tend to seek solace in

At the end of the day....its a pic of unborn twins debating about the existence of "mom" is all you could do.....
no wonder talking donkeys seem perfectly natural to you

Trippledots:
the person i quoted initially queried why we r being created just to worship and obey Him....i said he gave us free will. now you query free will.



hmmm..


part of a song goes thus "if i told you the truth will you belief?". if your heart is made up to believe something its made up....no remedy except a change of mind.




as for the car analogy, no you wont sue anybody. What if the car keeps parking whereever it likes, causing carnage in its wake, and although you gave it the abillity to know right from wrong yet it continues harming, hurting and ultimately defying your advices, if that car had an expiry date wont you plan to do away with it as soon as its expired?

will you torture it forever for doing what it was designed to do?

"THE REAL god AN EPIPHANY"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j8ZMMuu7MU

Trippledots:
sure he created us just to worship and praise and obey him...but to address the area of lack ingenuity, he gave us a free will. thatz why we r so different from angels...yet both angels and man still found a way to disobey and break his heart..... and yet he still made a way of escape for man since we were only deceived. i beg you, don't point fingers in the face of such a merciful GOD!

If the designed purpose is to have and be worshipped why free-will? and why punishment for exercising that free-will by violation of its desires?
If I were to buy a car that had a feature to drive itself anywhere and I wake up one day not to find it parked where I left it..can I sue or blame anyone for such an obvious design flaw? why would I even endorse or support such a feature if my own purpose is specific?

Proffdada:
I thought I drew a line between belief and knowledge.

no....you claimed you have a knowledge of a "god" and not a belief....I told you that.... that which is believed on faith without evidence and cannot be shown or demonstrated to be true but believed only by faith is a belief....you terming things designed or complex doesn't change it unless you can demonstrate it to be true.... the claim of the being hasn't been proven and you are jumping to things that you think are evident or caused by the "god" claim....can an unjustified claim justify another unjustified claim?
Would leprechauns begin to exist if I label it supernatural? (analogy)

Proffdada:
it has nothing to do with beliefs but knowing God truly exists. evidences as simple as grand design to complexity of consciousness are enough to tell you there's no need for anyone to instill lessons into mind.

how does it have nothing to do with beliefs when faith is the methodology used?
And your "grand design" and "complexity of consciousness" idea is but mere straws you use to cling on to your already accepted a priori belief....you have yet to demonstrate there being such an entity the "god" claims allege about in the first place and yet you've already used perceived phenomena you and theists alike observe in nature and term it designed....
You can call things designed and complex all day long....but until you can provide a reason that points to it being ex nihilo created you have no case... ...

Also you claim it isn't needed for things to be instilled into you but yet you were infact indoctrinated....and as such also trying to instill belief into others dogmatically....that is what separates teachers from clergymen..

imagine if there's no God? all the laws of physics or mathematical fundamentals will always be subjected to randomized results.

It was never established that any "god" exists in the first place otherwise I wouldn't be an atheist and everyone would all agree on what the concept of it is...instead of different "gods" and different sub-denominations for the same ones...
and the laws of physics are expressions we use to describe phenomena... mathematics lies in abstract extrapolations and derivations of defined terms....observed or not...practical or theoretical...

"POWER CORRUPTS"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA5PlJiqOnk

Proffdada:
I've given you one and only way to know this : accept Jesus as your Lord and personal Saviour and the rest will be unveiled. you will begin to see and not believe

I honestly do not know what you mean by the above paradox statement....
what I will say however is how fiendish your belief is.....if I already accept a claim as true.....won't I already follow suit to proclaim it true(belief)....
why is this claim not taken on its own merits but rather needs to be instilled into ones mind without question?
If you ever attended a school....were lessons instilled on your mind without question and did you attempt to verify the lessons taught with practical applications?.....If so,why does your "god" claim skip the basics of learning...?

Proffdada:
there is a difference between believing and knowing. I know there's a Supreme Entity called God which mere mortals try to disprove to justify their disbelief. this God has power over all dimensions and can alter anyone of them just to satisfy those who call on Him

interesting....you know your "god" exists? can you prove it? and point of correction proffdada....atheists do not need to justify disbeliefs....because the said belief from the start of theists is unjustified...do you justify that which is unjustified from the start? .......
Let me ask you a question.....when you know something is true and need to educate others on it....do you teach or dogmatically burn that knowledge into the person you are addressing?..if you know your "god" claim is true...why were you indoctrinated to believe?

Proffdada:
I've seen the videos and I'm impressed. the devil has found better ways of corrupting naive minds. but who has will against a powerful spirit even older than man and knows all the tricks? better cling unto Jesus Christ the saviour or you'll find how exciting and meaningful hell is.
the tempter has found three planes of deception to man's feeble heart
1. don't believe there is a God
2. believe in the wrong god
3. believe in the right God but the wrong way
now every atheist should know that at the beginning of the universe, time didn't exist because it was part of the 10 dimensions(9 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions ) that resulted from the collision of matter and antimatter. we are aware of 3 spatial and 1 temporal dimensions but others are interwoven and unknown. within the limits of human knowledge God and other supernatural beings exist. I've experienced this with concrete evidence and I hope you'll do too when you let Him in

or rather you place "god" in the gaps of human knowledge just like a primitive will say back in 3000 B.C.E that thunder being a limit of human knowledge then....housed "gods"
and please do enlighten us of how you know there are 10 dimensions...and you claim you have concrete evidence of this all...yet you speak of "experiences"....

Proffdada:
yeah I learnt how shallow the mind of an atheist is

and yet you are the one who believes in talking donkeys

MissTeaseMe:
Believe me, i know my naija peeps, they wont understand.
I have friends the argue that even rap, rock, hip hop are creations of the devil, even tho i tried all my best to let them see these are just plain creations of the human mind. Is it these same people that will watch the "afterlife is meaningless without afterlife" and understand?

Very few will understand it.

By the way, do you know many christains/muslims are actually skeptical about the existence of God, but wont reason it out cos they are afraid. They ask "what if"

The last resort is always, "what if you die and find out that what the bible says is all true, so let us just comply even if it is ridiculous"

acknowledged

MissTeaseMe:
Watched. A bit more philosophical than the ones seun posted, many wont understand it.

True....but for the ones inquisitive enough to doubt their dogmatic beliefs...this would increase their critical thinking...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a42RHVmnUAA

"THE VALUE OF A GODLESS WORLD"

thehomer:
Love is blind.
Therefore God is blind.

This explains much.....

MissTeaseMe:
Share links pls. I will try to google it up

dunno how to make the video show up here.....but this is the link to "afterlife is meaningless without after-afterlife"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZplzRg6ZP4