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I love darkmatter2525 videos too....the one I think all theists should watch is the "afterlife is meaningless without after-afterlife" lol ![]() https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZplzRg6ZP4 |
mumumugu:its good you get the circular logic and confirmation bias.... ![]() |
mumumugu:so a person claims to be re-incarnated therefore its true?.. |
can one make good decisions based on these few points? |
Believers have certain aspects of thinking that religion has bestowed on them....below is just a list of points i've noticed so far.. [b] 1. MY RELIGION IS MY MORAL COMPASS; Most theists love citing their holy books and citations as a "divinely" inspired account of how human morality ought to be.. In many cases they attempt to envision a moral high ground upon others based on their religion....it may be through childhood indoctrination, church and state governance, evangelism, public preaching etc..this can lead to hostilities..the promotion of certain norms as laws...the portrayal of certain human emotions as pure evil(in some religions)...the portrayal of certain thoughts as evil also(in some religions)...etc 2. I AM NOT A PART OF THE UNIVERSE; Theists(depending on religion/belief) will often see themselves as the product of a grand other-worldly plan in which someone or something perceived greater than reality has a plan for them...this plan is or rather was given to them through ancient texts of which have to be taken on faith alone... This can lead to racist-like views on other people who do not accept their "divinely" inspired claims as true... The major feature of this view is that, since theists perceive themselves as "greater" or "lower" than reality....they treat others around them differently(good/bad) because they believe their existence is only temporary...thus any decision made should only reflect to their perceived "goal reality"... 3. LIFE, THE UNIVERSE, NAMES, SYMBOLS,ETC HAVE MEANINGS ; Theists believe that nothing ever happens without a defining meaning... It doesn't matter if the perceived phenomenon is well understood...it will have a meaning(infact the less understood the better)... Have an extra digit?....it has a perceived meaning.. Born on a date or string of events?...it has a perceived meaning Had a dream?.....it has a perceived meaning The root of the meanings of such things have been instilled through the religion or belief,unaware or ignored to the fact that meanings are imbued by theistic people and differ among others... Meanings are extended to understand and simplify any perceived event,object,emotion or experience.. 4. I HAVE A SECRET TO SHARE ; Theists have a "message" to spread about their beliefs/holy books that will reveal an unknown "secret knowledge" to those unaware of it...whether this message is true or validate-able does not matter....the way the theist initially accepted such "secret knowledge" will determine the way they spread or disseminate it to others... Rejection of the claims pertaining to this knowledge on the basis of lack evidence or the nature of the claim may lead to hostilities(verbal,physical,etc) or lead to pity(because of the consequences the claim is perceived to hold). 5. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT ; Theistic claims to a theist has to be either accepted or denied..... 6. IF SCIENCE DOESN'T KNOW OR CAN'T TELL ME HOW ...THEN I'M LIKELY RIGHT ; This particular theistic view is held as an argument from ignorance....in which because there is a lack of knowledge on how something operates therefore their views are somehow automatically right or just as good as anyone else's.... This view is the driving force of most beliefs....the ignorance or lack of knowledge has to be filled up by an explanation...that explanation is mostly unfalsify-able.... 7. MY BASIC VIEW OR KNOWLEDGE APPLIES TO EVERYTHING ; This is where theistic apologetics comes in...where fields of knowledge that take years to understand and study is belittled by a theist who perceives that his view of reality answers everything there is to know about reality....and any validate-able theory or testable hypothesis that goes against a theist belief' is utterly wrong... regular or agnostic theist,staunch or gnostic theist and extremist or creationist religious theist use this view on varying grounds... A regular theist might posit that "science doesn't know everything" therefore "my belief is probably true" A staunch theist may claim that "god is beyond science" as though it had been established from the start by taking the theistic claims as absolutely true... An extremist or creationist may see all other methods of knowledge as false and structure his/her mind to ignore any and all other views... Any and all other evidence against such a belief even without presentation is false.. this only shows how true their beliefs are...if they have to ignore everything else with the extra motive of denigrating others... Creationists may equate science to religion so as to create a false dichotomy that such things also are taken on faith and dogma...ignoring the fact that science changes upon discovery of more accurate knowledge whereas religion doesn't.. Arbitrary knowledge such as "everything observed is causal" therefore the "universe is also"....this perceived knowledge is then presented with a make believe answer... "therefore god" SO FAR THESE ARE THE ONLY VIEWS OF THEIST I COULD TOUCH ... [/b] |
Pope Francis is becoming a religious moderate....something a lot of people don't understand..... ![]() |
Image123:I hardly know what you mean ![]() |
A fallacious straw-man is all this op is spewing.....algebra is merely a mathematical statement that concurs with reality....it doesn't matter if Atheists, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Greeks etc derived it.....the fact that it applies to reality and was proposed by a theist....says nothing about the theistic claims being true.... Because Newton derived a mathematical statement that described how planets orbit the Sun....doesn't mean alchemy that he believed in is true :-/ |
asalimpo:I believe you've seen the name of the topic...especially for atheists... ![]() Anyway, the parallels fit and negate such arguments as "if God exists y is there so much evil on earth".lets review your deductions shall we A: there is evil on earth, therefore God doesnt exist.correction there is suffering in the world therefore a caring god that has the ability and will to stop it 100% is not possible or rather is not really caring but uncaring..... The feature of what you call "god".. does not match the reality of things.... B. there are unkempt people, therefore barbers dont exist.correction...there are unshaven people therefore they either prefer to remain so or are unwilling or uncapable of getting a haircut... ![]() This is the essence and it fits.The op built his entire analogy on a false dichotomy....besides the one of there being a "god" in the first place....he posits that people do not perceive "god" because they don't look for "god" therefore to them "god" doesn't exist and people who do not seek barber's are somehow the same.....so far, we've all reviewed this as a fallacy... ![]() |
asalimpo and image123 are notorious for lying through their teeth for "jesus"..........asalimpo would twist the science and image123 would offer justifications for the evil acts of their deity... |
Godditex:[b] let me presume that you are an evangelical Christian..... I'll first ask how is a barber and your "god" concept synonymous? ![]() barber's are people who render their services in exchange for money..... "god" according to your sacred texts is a transcendent father of contradictory features ( namely being space-less,time-less and somehow omnipresent at the same time ) that by definition is caring and just ( with another contradictory feature of being merciful at the same time )....being a father that is supposedly caring.....just and merciful would not allow his children to stream off into danger and not do anything.... ![]() more so a father with those features to let his children willfully be punished infinitely for finite crimes that he himself dictated altogether is just appalling.... Overall barber's can choose to not render services whether you are willing to pay them or not....a father can also choose to ignore his duties to his children, but when this is done....we do not call such a father that neglects his duties...caring or just.... And people can choose to neglect a barber's services for whatever reasons they seem fit.....a child can also neglect a father's love ... but the love and care itself is not withdrawn(if the father is indeed caring)...it is rather geared towards the best interest of the child...... The case as to regarding your "god" concept are people who constantly do not seek harm towards themselves and yet come into a world that brings them harm and yet they are supposed to believe that in some way someone of unknown origin... exists that can willfully prevent it 100%, but chooses not to.. ![]() view the concept you call "god" with your analogy of it and see why it doesn't hold water in comparison to unshaven people....or did children in Somalia choose to be sickly or die of starvation just like a person can choose not to shave? [/b] |
BraveGuy:let's correct my perceived foolishness......how and why is the Christian heaven themed after Rome? |
Weah96:he's too delusional to wonder why heaven is based on a roman setting.....with thrones....trumpets....and harps.... ![]() |
asalimpo:I rolled off my chair after reading your post.....can you tell me the difference between a circle and a geoid?...anyone with a basic grasp of geometry knows what a circle is. It's a flat, two dimensional object....is the earth a flat two dimensional object? ![]() And science began with the knowledge of controlled fire basically way older than 2000 years ....so are you insinuating that biblical tales predates the knowledge of fire? you are the one kicking the wrong brick here...And it is a shame you don't know what a myth is.....because the Pleiades exists doesn't mean the myth of the seven sisters that turned into it is true....is that understood? HERE IS A NICE PIECE OF ADVICE.....GET OFF OF JESUS' D.ICK AND READ A BOOK... |
Liekiller:its even the growing number of creationist lecturers in nigerian universities that worries me.....the spread of willful ignorance and peudoscience has never been higher... |
honourhim:ok....what do i have to look out for..? |
paulGrundy:lol.... |
There might still be a chance... it is very slim though....it was just yesterday i passed across a young undergraduate educating his peers on the "folly of evolution" as a message from hell ![]() |
honourhim:so their actions before their deaths entailed something beyond life?....elaborate please.. May be you are looking at afterlife as a one room where everybody that enters it will have the same story to tell. Even here on earth, someone in Nigeria cannot have exact story to tell as someone in the USA will tell. Yet the after-life is far much more than here. Whether we have same story to tell is not the issue i"m raising but the fact that a lot of people of different religion have experienced this. Even if i would doubt them, i wont doubt the one of the atheists (both whites and blacks) who have experienced it and today they are no more atheists. Some of these atheists were born into the families of atheists. I have witnessed some of these happenings live and have also heard or read about some of them too.[b] I do not even have the slightest idea of what an after-life would be....nor if it does exist....there is no evidence to support it....so it doesn't apparently appear to exist....so goes any claim that cannot be proven outside people calling it "obvious"... and whether an atheist or agnostic has an nde...doesn't make an nde into evidence of an after-life and as i've wrote earlier....nde's are historical and the experience has been linked to beliefs...societal influence...culture...suggestive messages etc... and yet again i fail to see how because an atheist is convinced an nde is proof of an after-life...therefore it is true?.... if an atheist is convinced allah is real....does that make it true?... if an atheist is convinced that the earth is flat... does it make it true?.... so why then do you consider an atheist being convinced of a phenomenon will make it true?....and by the way....through your online research did you not also come across atheists that according to you are the prime source of evidence for life after death that remained atheist or better still theists that have become atheists through ndes...? [/b] |
honourhim ....please answer these questions as honestly as possible: 1.do you intend to see your deceased relatives again...and with reasons.. 2.what would be your reaction to someone who asked you to prove otherwise... 3.If you had evidence against such a belief....will you withdraw it till you find it true? 4.what can you say for the vast others that have lived before you in ancient times....are their beliefs different from yours and what do you think death must have felt like for people living in ancient days.....would they consent it being the end with their level of understanding? |
honourhim:apologies for your younger brother....i've witnessed the deaths of a lot of my relatives.......and nearing death the body does what it does best.....try to keep the brain active.....oxygen deprivation and neurones firing off within the brain cause a lot of weird things....even in the living oxygen deprivation through auto-er.otic asphyxiation can lead to extreme euphoria... Again if you ve heard testimonies of those who had near death experience across the globe (christians, atheists, muslims , budhists, traditionalists), you will know that life doesnt end here on earth. I have witnessed such testimonies face to face with those that experienced it. I ve also read some of the testimonies both online and offline.For many years when i was a theist i held such things as true also but when you take a closer look objectively....its a convolution of sorts.... results of alleged ndes' experiences varies throughout history....and are mostly influenced by culture....beliefs...society...and even suggestive messages affect and produce nde's……… i bet you wouldn't believe me if i told you people become atheists after nde's just like the reverse cases you are used to hearing.....the thing is i can't suddenly say "aha,that means blah blah blah"..as you are presenting to me right now... Bro, life is larger than you think. I am not forcing you to believe but your unbelief doesnt change anything. Even if i decide to agree with you, it still does not change the truth about this mystery.what do you know about life to conclude it being larger?....and my unbelief per say has nothing to do with the claims.....i believe you look before crossing the road...why don't you have faith that no car is approaching? ……apply this reasoning to such a claim that no one bothers to look before walking to it... |
JackBizzle:because by definition...that system tends towards death.... each cell in your body die at one time or another....main death is when that system cannot sustain itself anymore... What makes people unique? dna? What if people have the same dna? The same shape of brain etc? What really hinders reincarnation?actually humans have less than 1% variation and in that if we were to express the part of your genome that belongs to you in bytes....it would just be 10 megabytes.....even still we are all born with an average of 150 mutations(mostly neutral)....and accumulate no less than a dozen in a lifetime....that continuous changing system that makes you unique cannot be derived in the same way it began.... I'm sure you are one of those close minded atheists! Science without religion. Science without the wonderplease explain how religion and science go together and which one produces results and is the hallmark of the century |
JackBizzle:i am not sure why you instantly brought up "if the brain is just chemicals and matter..." yet still such a re-arrangement after death is impossible...... as biological beings that need to sustain ourselves with biochemical energy....we are constantly re-arranging cells(and destroying cells) as we age.....that is why you never look 100% the same as when you were 5.....that configuration of cells has been modified....and when you die....the process stops....the energy is then given back to the environment albeit in the conversion of the lifeless husk that was once you into useful energy by saprophytic organisms.... ![]() |
JackBizzle:so a thought can prove "everlasting life"? |
Dlionsheart:yes i own a copy of it....what difference does that make? ![]() |
JackBizzle:And you know this how? ![]() |
asaimpo...do you know about the dark ages?....when the belief in "god" restricted inquiry at all ventures? ![]() |
Among most if not all religions has come the promise of prolonged or everlasting life.....but how do we know this to be true? how do we know with 100% accuracy that this is true? ![]() For most people it is true because a book says so... For others it is true because they can't fathom an only mortal life... For the others still... they have convinced themselves of it being true... Here lies the question.....when what you believe cannot be taken as true on its own merits but through unsourced and unfalsify-able ways and then passed on to others especially children as 100% accurate....is it indistinguishable from deceit? |
The ban on homosexuality is just going to ruin a lot of lives...and increase the hiv/aids pandemic in nigeria... when you think you can control a lgbt individual you force them into acting out roles that aren't their own sexual preference....in the end you have a marriage where either one doesn't reflect the love and/or cheats... with one of his/her own true sexual preference....increasing the spread of stds'... and in the end you have a society where religion has painted everyone into a corner...... ![]() |
smh ![]() |
you mean total lunar eclipses are signs of the return of "christ"?..... |
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