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johnydon22:
I am a scientist and trained with one of the best scientist in the world (without a name) and someone is proudly sounding as silly as a 6year old.

A self acclaimed scientist in the same breathe tries to personify the scientific identified or stipulated Laws and tag them spirits. . Never knew someone could claim something and at the same time totally kill his own stupendous assertion..

I never knew you would take the self acclaimed scientist serious tho...

davien:
einstein made no such statement...
you claim atheists spew claims they know nothing about and have done the very same thing [url] http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/may/12/peopleinscience.religion [/url]

[b] " "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is
blind." So said Albert Einstein , and his famous aphorism has
been the source of endless debate between believers and non-
believers wanting to claim the greatest scientist of the 20th
century as their own.
A little known letter written by him, however, may help to
settle the argument - or at least provoke further controversy
about his views.
Due to be auctioned this week in London after being in a
private collection for more than 50 years, the document
leaves no doubt that the theoretical physicist was no
supporter of religious beliefs, which he regarded as "childish
superstitions".
Einstein penned the letter on January 3 1954 to the
philosopher Eric Gutkind who had sent him a copy of his book
Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt. The letter went on
public sale a year later and has remained in private hands
ever since.
In the letter, he states: "The word god is for me nothing more
than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the
Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends
which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no
matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
Einstein, who was Jewish and who declined an offer to be the
state of Israel's second president, also rejected the idea that
the Jews are God's favoured people." [/b]

belabela:
I have followed a few of your posts on this topic and I wil say your thinking is interesting, It appears you believe in science as a religion which directly corresponds to you not being a scientist.

I am a scientist and trained with one of the best in the world - Interestingly my mentor is an atheist and I am a christian. My mentor in science is in the top five in our field of science and engineering in the world and I worked with him for 6 years - sysnthesing stuffs, attending conferences and debating science ideas. Why am I telling you this? To give you an insight into my exposure of science. And just to add I have a personal interest in theology and have been touched by the bests in that field too.

Science is not a religon. However there is a growing number of non-scientists like you who are making a religion out of science. There is nothing like, to quote you " the scientific answer". If scientists have that approach research would have stopped long tme ago. This approach is promoted by the media not the science community.

Most pioneers of modern science including charles darwin, isaac newton, albert einstein etc were religious men, they weren't atheist. They believed in God. You may say they have a probelm with the way the church at the time presented God to them - but they did not claim there is no God.

This is what Einstein said “To sense that behind everything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense...I am a devoutly religious man.”

In response to a young girl who had asked him whether he believed in God, he wrote: “everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a Spirit vastly superior to that of man.”

And on the relationship between religion and science, Einstein declared: “the situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

It will appear that it takes a bigger faith to belive there is no God than to believe there is a God. Macro evolution is not testable over time - i.e. billions of years and there is no evidence that in the last 7000 years any species had completed its macro evolution. Seems there is a gap there. Micro evolution is mere adaption - which is a charateristic of a living thing. If you have no spoons you will use your hand to eat. If you have no hand you may start using your leg or eat like a dog. If your tongue is tied you will make sounds to communcate with your environment. That's not evolution but adaptaion. However some in the scence community argue its part of the evolutionary process.

To conclude there is no singular view on scientific theory. Scientifc laws however are agreed such as the law of gravity but evolution isn't a law but a theory and that means not all scienctists agree with it. Intelligent design theory is out there, like evolution not all scientsts agree with it. So you cannot say the scientific explanation. There are many different scientifc explanations to a problem and though different they are all scientific

Rossy99:
Giving birth to a child is one of the most beautiful and sacred things a woman can do. In a way she cooperates directly with the creative act by which a new human being sees the light of day. There is no question of her becoming unclean by this, of her needing to be cleansed and to be barred from taking full part in Church services.On the contrary, a young mother deserves all the joy of joining in Christ's eucharist of thanksgiving.
Let us see where the misgivings come from.
Why did people think a young mother needed to be purified after giving birth to a child?
1.Pagan origins
According to Greek and Roman ideas, a man had more 'spirit' than a woman. A woman was more material, like the earth, which they saw confirmed at childbirth. For then the mother discharges the tissue of the placenta amd blood.

basille:
This is the 21st century. Nobody forces anyone to believe anything.

Thoniameek:
You really feel the need to say something about anything I put up here.... Even when response is not compulsory.

I'm lost..... It really gives me headache having unintelligent arguments or conversations

I better be going

CaptainJune:
Of course, facts. The facts of a matter. The fact that God created the universe and the planets with everything in them, the fact that the Word of God is true and accurate, the fact that science cannot offer conclusive explanation for events beyond its scope of investigation, the fact that God knows the end from the beginning, the fact that the evidence of the existence of God cannot be scientifically determined, but has been known by eye-witnesses and various physical manifestations that defy logical explanation...they are facts...even science is mystified and cannot deny these occurrences. The best explanation that science can offer, for lack of physical determination, is that these occurrences are products of the imagination. Lol.

When facts are scientifically unidentifiable, untestable, not subject to any mathematical, chemical, or biological experimentation, then they become a mystery. They become false for the failure of science to provide the certificate of evidence to enable them to be accepted as reality by mankind.

CaptainJune:
Did you notice she said and I quote:






May I remind you



Have you been making baseless argument all this while?

Thoniameek:
God put everything in place - in case; if you kill; you suffer, if you do something wrong to nature; it fight backs by creating all of those diseases......

Thoniameek:
*He doesn't worship science; but yet glorifies it.*

Just as you feel you've "uselessed" my facts (they're actually not facts but the bitter truth)
I feel the same about proving your ignorance and how lazily myopic you could be

To all you atheist I suggest you watch this movie "I ORIGIN"..... It's not about God but about a scientist

Thoniameek:
If I had in phone in my hand, then I let it fall down a thousand times and just one time the phone didn't fall down but remained in mid-air: wouldn't you as a nonbeliever and a trustee of science want to find out why?

There're scientists who have experienced miracles (and still do not want to believe), secretly studying how miracles happen

So Davien, if you're not a believer in God, and not a worshipper of science. What do you worship? Yourself?

CaptainJune:
This is lovely. You've finally seen why I call atheists confused and ignorant people. Even when faced with facts they cannot disprove, they look for a way to persist in their ignorance. I'm not insulting them in any way but this is the plain truth.

CaptainJune:
Please quote the post where she implied that

Thoniameek:

God put everything in place - in case; if you kill; you suffer, if you do something wrong to nature; it fight backs by creating all of those diseases......

Then cut out extraneous material from your argument. They only serve to make your thoughts appear jumbled and rambling.

Fair enough. In other words, science would rather believe in the existence of an evil God responsible for all the disasters on earth than in a compassionate and creative God who designed the universe. No bias there, my friend. I understand that science and her followers are more confused by the day.

Thoniameek:
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You're in impossible! I can't go in circles with you anymore.......

I have come to tha conclusion that having a meaningful argument with you it literally impossible

Have tried out all the findings of science and found it to be true? Science has found answers to a lot of things you know; wait for them to answer all those other questions you have for me concerning my God.

CaptainJune:
The Jury can reach a verdict on the testimony of an eye-witness when physical evidence is impossible, isn't it? Is that not faith?

CaptainJune:
Who has said anything to the contrary?

How is this verse relevant in the 'bacteria' discussion?

I see. When it comes to the creation of the universe and mankind, big bang and evolution take the credit. When it comes to the creation of death, war, starvation, and diseases God takes the blame. Wonderful.

Thoniameek:
You didn't get my point.... I wasn't trying to tell you how old earth is, but that as old as it is - it has fared well. And that nature as it is will always fight anomalies, that's how God made it......

There's always consequences for something done wrong, and my dear, you sound like you don't like consequences

God put everything in place - in case; if you kill; you suffer, if you do something wrong to nature; it fight backs by creating all of those diseases......

Even unbelievers have laws and consequences, not to talk about the creator of the universe.

Besides, the bible says towards the end they'll be more diseases and illnesses, why? Men would do more evil, and more evil means more consequences. And that is no longer God's doing but sowing-and-reaping

CaptainJune:
When you know the truth, you will naturally damn lies in all their diversity or, at best, study them for the sake of curiosity. Truth makes the difference.

Thoniameek:
When God made everything He saw that it was good. And there wasn't any disease or sickness then..... Disease came when we started to do things we're not suppose to do with/to our body and environment, diseases and sickness came with man disobedience

And if you read Leviticus when good gave the laws to make different from others; most of those laws were more hygienic than spiritual.... Like not handling of dead animals and so on....

Earth most survive! That's how it was created. And that's how it has been abl to keep itself for the past 50 billion years.... It always looks for a way to contain everything. If you go against it, it breaks up something to contain it.

God made it so.....

Thoniameek:
I should be asking you that..... You know I would say it got it enablement from the creator, but science would say something else.

Where do you think it got its genes? From it's environment? Oh! It grew and conform with it's inhabitants to survive? I don't know - tell me Davien

Fabrepass:
Africans should start exercising their head.

vooks:
Did he prophesy that Indonesian plane crash?

ConsciousMind:
But then there would be no point of the world. Might as well make everyone immortal, and not pro-create.

masonkz:
He said he's human, aren't you human?


And yes, you can as well call me a humanist..what does that have to do with the above??

PraiseDLord:
Yea! CERTAINLY, IGNORANCE MUST BE A DISEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!