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KingEbukasBlog:
Genesis 2:7



form verb
1.bring together parts or combine to create (something).

2.make or be made into a specific shape or form.

If the above paints a picture of something popping out from the ground then you need to have your brain re- examined

from the dust of the ground so god would by you have to bring together parts of dust and mold a human being
So much for ID being science,lol...

davidylan:
Actually i beg to disagree... there is no god of the gaps argument (unless when used by those who have no answers and have to resort to mockery)... what we have is a reasoned scientific basis for why nature does not explain the origin of life. Science provides no cogent answers for how life originated. Science provides no valid or logical hypothesis as to how life may have originated. Infact science still has no clue how to create the basic building block of life - the DNA... The very science of life and the cell suggests to us that it could not simply be a product of random chance (which is what you propose and is just statistically impossible)... so how on earth is it a god of the gaps argument? Or you're simply using big words you learnt somewhere?

Since when did science offer merit to supernatural causation then?

"Science is still researching" is no answer at all... it is infact a speculative guess, a fig leaf for ignorance, perpetuated by people who have no clue since they cannot point to the scientific labs doing the searching they claim in the first place. When i get the chance, i read through the latest titles on the most prestigious scientific journals, i cant find any that is still doing the "searching" you claim.

just a few http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140929105349.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150710081209.htm

davidylan:
you cant read and intelligently comprehend a point. i didnt say that ID is justified because DNA is held on a pin-prick (i never said that in the first place). What i said was that sometimes science forces us to think outside the box. The entire gamut of a human (looks, psyche, personality etc.) is held in DNA which is encased in a cell which is smaller than a pin prick. This level of complexity is somehow what you think that nature came up with on its own? at random? But somehow nature cannot create a simple metal pipe?

Dude i don't know how nature came up with it is an honest answer than your usual god of the gaps lazy arguement..

davidylan:
I didnt say compare and contrast is simplistic... i simply asked you a question - if you believe that a car cannot just pop out of the ground then on what basis do you say a more complex human can? You sidestepped this by laughing at the Adam and Eve strawman you created. shame.

Everyone here can read this....you noted a human can't pop from the ground and i asked where adam came from...

davidylan:
Its funny how atheists laugh at cars popping out of the ground but have no problem believing (by blind faith of course) that the more complex human who designed that car simply popped out of the ground.

davien:
LMAO! please what was Adam made from? in a desperation to folly me you've made a mockery of your own belief...lol

And i then explained

davien:
Simplicity does not imply folly....and it's contrasted on grounds of naturally occurring....comparison is just another method....either-way it's the way humans classify things....is taxonomy not about contrasting features of organisms to differentiate them....it's simplistic and it works....not like the untestable "all things are designed" assertions ID'ers make

But i guess you missed all that

davidylan:
1. I am actually a scientist and have actually done many of the experiments cited here... which is why i laughed when davien claimed that proteins were the building blocks of life. We buy proteins off the shelf all the time, without DNA you do not have a viable cell even if you dumped all the protein you can get into it. But of course, that is the caliber of "scientists" here that we have to deal with.

True and i guess the term "building block" does not apply when proteins are the catalysts involved in most of its operations...

2. To say the universe is a cocktail of natural mechanisms belies the point - so why is life seeded on earth only but not, say Mars?

How does that change things....another god of the gaps arguement...

3. I believe in God, i believe in science - infact that is my profession, however i dont believe in pseudo-science (which is basically all i have read here from the likes of davien and others).

All day you've not given one scientific notion of ID and you claim it's science...

davidylan:
I could not understand this word salad at all.

Contrasting and differentiating objects is how we understand the world....you claimed simplistic notions like this are funny...yet you're ahem allegedly a biologist who must have contrasted and differentiated a myriad of things...

davidylan:
Based on? He did not pose a single scientific argument to buttress his point. You simply agree with him because he agrees with you. That is quite weak.

He was not speaking on scientific points because ID doesn't have any....i've asked all day for one and all you've told me is that "human DNA can be held in a pin prick- therefore designed

KingEbukasBlog:
I looked at a and b and felt sorry for you

Note that a belief in a god does not imply intelligent design claims that all things are designed...god could have simply ignited the spark and let natural processes take over i.e a deistic god ...

AllNaijaBlogger:
Intelligent design is rubbish. Why not just continue and claim that rain is the result of God weeping for humanity? God of the gaps.

I think some people here should have a discussion with real scientists.

The universe you see is a cocktail of many natural mechanisms that make it work.

I believe in God but that doesn't grant me the luxury of believing in pseudo-science.

Now this is a honest christian...

KingEbukasBlog:
you still dont understand infinite regression and the folly of your something-coming-from-nothing THEORY

Like i said who here claims that?...

KingEbukasBlog:
and you keep insinuating something came from nothing .... and tahdah

you keep trolling all day..who said something came from nothing?...he's spotted davidylans trump card....he hides and inserts his god in areas of human ignorance...

davidylan:
Its funny how atheists laugh at cars popping out of the ground but have no problem believing (by blind faith of course) that the more complex human who designed that car simply popped out of the ground.

LMAO! please what was Adam made from? in a desperation to folly me you've made a mockery of your own belief...lol

davidylan:
So you recognize a car was created by contrasting it with what? A horse? Your laughably simplistic responses are cracking me up here bro.

Simplicity does not imply folly....and it's contrasted on grounds of naturally occurring....comparison is just another method....either-way it's the way humans classify things....is taxonomy not about contrasting features of organisms to differentiate them....it's simplistic and it works....not like the untestable "all things are designed" assertions ID'ers make

KingEbukasBlog:
Because you have this conceived idea of life creations are not designed , thats why you are asking 1, 2 and 3 . Are there tests to run to attest that cars , buildings are intellectual designs ?

Explanation of God : If I should ask you , what only condition fails the infinite regression argument

It's that cars don't pop out of the ground like trees but come from factories which you can attest to....or do you see buildings growing naturally?

And is the burden of proof on me for your gods existence?...same logic,same KEB...

davidylan:
you spend too much time asking questions about the scientific validity of ID... but when called on to discuss the alternative perspective, you label it a stupi.d question.

Yes it is..

The notion that things designed will be automatically correct is false... that is an excuse that anti-ID proponents have used for so long. Its like saying that because brilliant engineers designed a car, it must never have a fault and a flawed brake pad is evidence that the car must have evolved on its own. [/b] I haven't even begun making "anti-design" arguements yet...i've been asking scientific questions about ID....can it be tested on any of its notions?

[quote]What tests are done to validate the ID theory? Plenty... has it ever occurred to you how it is possible to carry the genetic code of an entire human in a cell the size of a pin prick or smaller? Has it occurred to you how it is that the DNA comes replete with intricate repair mechanisms that ensure that mutations that could essentially kill you are removed almost within seconds of them occurring?

How does carrying human DNA in a tube or pin prick imply DNA is intelligently designed?...

Asking what an undesigned object would be like is also plainly ridiculous... might as well ask an engineer what a magical car would be like... would it come with wheels?

We recognise things that are designed from contrasting undesigned objects.....can you put a car and a sand dune under "intelligent design"

KingEbukasBlog:
..... because we cant explain the existence of this designer therefore the life creations such as the DNA ,etc are not intellectual designs .... arrant nonesense ...

The notion are things are designed correct?...then what tests are done on this notion...that's it....and what margin makes x designed and y not designed...what does or would an undesigned object be like?...these are questions you'd expect from a legitimate stance if intelligent design is a science..

davidylan:
So explain how human life is naturally feasible... and only on this tiny speck of the galaxy?

The building blocks of life-i.e proteins,are naturally feasible...even DNA is held by nothing more than hydrogen bonds...the only thing unknown is how said proteins became self-reproducing chemistry and began evolving...that's it...

davidylan:
That is ridiculous. You're making the claim that science explains the creation of life as we know it ... perhaps it is your job to provide the evidence to support such a claim?

I mean you think it is the job of the ID proponent to explain why ID is true and also explain why the science is wrong? So what are you putting on the table? Just the usual mockery, vapid responses and uneducated guesses?

Please point to the post i made regarding science explaining the "creation of life"...the only claims held in science are those that are testable...the origins of life are still under research....can you tell me who's researching the notions of "intelligent design" and where x designer came from or manifested?

davidylan:
I'm not sure why you're asking me the question... i asked a simple one - why would you think that nature should not be able to create an oil rig (as you say, it was able to create the sun quite by chance no?)? It requires a simple answer... not a myriad of obfuscating questions.

It's a stup.id question to be honest...and i didn't say the sun is "created" nor "chanced"...

Nature doesn't create oil-rigs for the same reason it doesn't create cars...they are human-driven constructs that aren't naturally feasible..

KingEbukasBlog:
Im sure you have a brain , smart enough to detect a spectacular design as seen in a DNA, or are you here for some merry-go-round ? . As simple as it is , if you think the DNA is not a design , state with cogent reasons why

is that not the job of people making the claim that it's a "design"?
You haven't changed a bit intellectual-wise....

anicheibo:
nice intelligent design website with the name evolutionnews.org... I expected to see scientific american or nature or at worst wikipedia.... just another ID site, never an unbiased peer reviewed article. Try again

Thats what they do now,add "evolution,scientist" or "Phd" to their names to give a false sense of credibility..

davidylan:
I suggest you read posts more clearly before asking questions that expose your vapidity.

What do you mean by genes going against the laws of physics? My post asked a simple question, if you believe that nature created human life purely by chance... then why is it difficult for you to believe that nature should be able to create an oil rig, purely by chance of course? Last i checked, the human cell is thousands of times more complex than an simple inanimate metal pipe.

And so is the fusion reaction that powers our sun,yet you see it everyday....how is complexity a margin in considering the possibility of these things?...

davidylan:
uh the exact same thing in nature that propelled it to fit an entire 30000 genes that control an entire human into the nucleus of a cell that is smaller than the width of a human hair...

if nature can create such magic then why cant we expect it to build an oil rig? An oil rig is just series of metal pipes afterall... it is far less complex than the human cell so why is that so hard?

Please explain to me what is magical in any gene that goes against the laws of physics...

Anytime i see the term "islam",a mental image of a suicide bomber pops up in my head,why is that?... isn't islam a religion of peace?

There was a time when a person like you didn't exist....can you tell me you're adventures of non-existence?...

otunba6 ....so have you gotten her the 32gb infinix or is it the 32gb iphone she wants? ....You can tell a lot from a relationship based on "gift allocation"....
does she deny you attention when her needs(even minor ones)aren't met?....does she reward you with s.e.xx as if it's your prize for giving her stuffs?...does she talk about some random dude every 20-40 minutes?... WARNING! These are signs you're her side b.itch...

But on a serious note....whether you decide to close eye and give her that phone is up to you...i wouldn't hold it against you if you did because it's not my money,and then if you want to know if you're being hoodwinked just confront her...no two ways about it...just don't let her use her feminine attributes confuse you from talking things through and thoroughly... like lets say you confront her and the next thing you know you're under the sheets in a second and eating at the palm of her hands..

Hiploko:
So many demonic agents on this thread.. All of you shud go read matt 7:7... You have to ask before you receive so that you don't blame God later. He learnt from Adam. Prayer in Jesus name is life!!!

Demonic? How come?

herald9:
Mehn... see the power of a woman. I won't be surprise if you come back here in two weeks to start screaming Hail Mary! Good luck man.

lol...i hope not.

Two men kissing...so?

herald9:
Davien in romance? Has the galaxies crossed?

She's mostly the reason i hardly come to nairaland....in all my years i never imagined myself with a catholic chic...

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