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VLadipo:
Friendship with God is different from friendship with fellow humans. God created and owns us.
We must obey, fear and revere Him if even if we are His friends.

We've not even established its existence talk less of going further to what it allegedly did in the bible...
Plus your parents created you....you didn't just pop out thin air fully formed(spontaneous generation)...

It is compulsory to fear, revere and obey God whether you are His friend or not?

No sound relationship is based on fear.....

Fear is not an element of a good relationship because fear puts one at constant odds with danger.....one fears when one is endangered and that response is to keep one at alert of what we're supposed to do to minimize or stop(or even flee) the dangerous situation..

Here's an example drawn from the kidnapped chibok girls'...
Imagine if the terrorists are telling them this very same thing...."we're friends"....."we want you to have a relationship with us"...."Fear and obey us and you'll not be harmed"...."Any of you who refuses would be left to face the consequences"....

Even so...an omniscient being need not offer incentives and/or punishments for a relationship....Any relationship formed that way would be a false one(based on the promises of threats and not for a genuine gift-less relationship)....A being capable of omniscience would attract genuine relationships based on people's curiosity to know about it....not from an archaic "gift or torture" scheme(acceptable to dictators and bronze age men)

All the same, I dont think there is any punishment attached to not being His friend.

Does your bible sort support that or it's just your opinion?

Only God can call you His friend. All Christians must strive to be called a friend of God by God Himself.

Good thing I'm not a Christian then and according to you...no punishements are attached,so why or what reason would you now use to convert a heathen?

God wrote the Bible using human beings by divine inspiration. The humans used by God to write the Bible never knew they were writing the Bible.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

2 Peter 1:20-21
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Did you hear any "god" say that or did you just read it in the bible then believed that the bible was written by men claiming they were inspired by "god" to write it as "god" itself was true?
And was it inspiration that made those people clip away mute than twenty books from the bible that are still referenced in its current passages.....like the book of the laodiceans?

KingEbukasBlog:
... that Davien is intelligent ,smart , and not ignorant at all

It's something anyone can look up in my comments.

An2elect2:
no christian wants another christian in chains buddy. You've been listening to morons.

Sadly that issue is for you Christians to dispute among yourselves....they also claim the bible backs them up....so it's everyone's interpretation against each other...

Nigerians are often using and being controlled by religion....from se..x life to political views to lifestyle to technology....at the end of the day what is the result of all that religiosity?

Are there "gods/god" to begin with?

An2elect2:
call me a religious bigot for all i care. I cant stand a "christian" homosexual. A christian homosexual? wtfUCK. That's oxymoron right there. You can't be in support of darkness and light at the same time.

There are also racist Christians who are rallying right now to have you in chains and you're worrying over homosexuals who mind their own business.

Vick4rill:
a wise man once said... That weeds seems useless because no one have been able to recognise it worth,.. Evrything God created is impostant and very useful to the existance of this earth. The reason that u dont see any sense on it does not mean that it is useless

So everything on the earth is inherently purposeful?...

god's worst idea


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdqGySMrCoc

doubleDx:
LOL....It's what it is; I'm not seeking approval from any Christian! It's what the Bible says....It's written, not in my words; but the LORD's !

Apparently not, it's written by men who claimed inspiration is it not?

VLadipo:
Actually, friendship with God is not the same as friendship with fellow humans.

why? And since when did friendship become exceptional to "god"

Even then, the kind of friendship you have with someone higher than you is different from the type you have with your peers.How much God?

Are you referring to respect.....respect isn't compulsory you know..
We only use it to recognize people who we admire and/,or acknowledge their position...

Nevertheless, it is not by force to be a friend of God.
Not everybody who makes it to Heaven will be a friend of God.

Does non-Friendship with "god" come with punishments?

God only referred to few people as friends throughout the Bible.

No, the bible written by allegedly those same people claimed it did.....it's like I write a book claiming I met an alien and the alien says I did too(in the book)

Proximo73:
To say i will leave Christianity, that means, what you are going to present will offer eternal life, But no other religion has ever been bold enough to say i will give you everlasting life.
where will they start, how will they do it?
tell me

So you're afraid of your mortality? lol....your probably unfamiliar with other abrahamic religions and their "offers" of "everlasting life"....

So?

Proximo73:
it is true that churches are exploiting members, but that is not enough reason to abandon Christianity (Jesus Christ ) and resolve to cosmic dead floating objects and bodies..
You have life in you and far better than dead objects, what are you looking for?

What would justify leaving Christianity? and If I presented you with it would you leave?

naijaboyof4life:
I get what you are saying but I think you completely misunderstood what I meant by humans are brought to a moral standard.

Apparently your posts lack to show that you get it.....nobody brings you to a moral standard, you are only given the tools to navigate your response and actions...
If humans were brought to a standard then everyone would agree that something is good/bad based on something much more than "because god or somebody said so"...

That means that humans have to answer for whatever we did seem do.

This does not appear to be the case....
Apart from the fact that you've made no mention of how you determined this,you seem to just keep stacking claims upon claims as though it were based on verified knowledge.

Also the topic was gay in Hollywood and its effect on Nigeria, I don't see why you brought in cannibalism which is going off topic.

If you paid attention to my replies instead of pretending to, you'd see that I responded to your post(so I guess you don't read your own posts), your own words below.

Animals kill each other and eat each other. If human did the same, it is considered evil and cannibalism.

So did I go "off topic" by responding to you?

Humans have different standards which was my point, animals are not faulted if they do anything.

You are confused, period.
You can't say the bolded when you've already claimed humans are subject to "a moral standard"..

Since complex things confuse you I'll say a very easy example that should make you aware of your mistake...

1. We are subject to driving a car.

2.We are subject to driving different cars.

Animals don't get critics, human does. Which is why I said which is why we can't look to animals for justification for any of our actions.

How many times would I continue to tell you that I didn't draw justification from animals....the claim that fellow made was "animals are smart enough to know homosexuality is wrong"...I then responded to that claim with a link to a list of homosexual animals and one that even reproduces using a homosexual lifestyle adding that "i guess animals aren't as smart as you thought"...

I understood you were replying to the person that was using animals wrongly but I was also making sure to prevent the "well animals do it too" situation. Peace.

You never for a minute understood a single thing I said, I've even shown you so far to be lying.....and i already pointed out that I meant no such thing as the accusation you've given me @bolded

I pointed out

naijaboyof4life:
Just because animals do it doesn't mean it is right.

davien:
Funny enough I knew someone would throw this response and I agree, that also doesn't mean it's wrong...animals(apart from us) don't also drive a car....does that make it right/wrong?

noahklub:
If man started religion truly, who was that man and for what reason, because whatever you see that exist that is creation of man just one(1) person brought up the idea an others would buy into it. So what made people to accept this whole idea that has spread across the entire earth?

go read up on animism and anthropomorphism...

omototiadewa:
Hmmmm..without religion..let's take our present nigeria as sample

Okay

1. Ebo(sacrifice) would full everywhere

Sacrifices are an element of deity worship and african religion....so there won't be any sacrifice..

2.People would be eating each other with no remorse

Apart from the fact that numerous religions promote cannibalism....cannibalism wouldn't be introduced in the soceity(given adequate food supply)...because it's actually been demonstrated as a non-productive element in soceities before and after ours..
So if you're looking after yourself you'd prefer not to consume your fellow humans given the overwhelming risk and little benefits.

3. U would just kill without feeling a thing

This isn't true either....a non-religious society does not equate to lack of empathy..
Moreover we've actually seen the reverse where religion poisons the minds of sane people to commit atrocities(take Boko haram as a case study)

4. Der would b no church noise nor early morning shout from d nearby mosque(even though its wake up alarm for me)

So?...

5. Boko haram wouldn't b in existance

It depends....on the religious side i'd agree but when it comes to rejection of foreign culture,that trait may still linger in some people...

6. Missionaries for no come africa to stop slave trade
Etc

It was actually the British rights movement that urged them to....


A strong movement emerged in 18th-century Britain to put an end to the buying and selling of human beings. This campaign to abolish the slave trade developed alongside international events such as the French Revolution, as well as retaliation by maroon communities, sporadic unrest, and individual acts of resistance from enslaved people in the British colonies.


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/blackhistory/rights/abolition.htm

Well its just balance very good and very bad s d score of religion

No it's not a balance....if it were then we'd have been experiencing the same events before institutionalized religion was introduced.

ROSSIKE:
If you are not going to use your brain by studying the phenomenon instead of dismissing the research prior to investigation, that's your problem. When you die and suddenly find yourself floating above your body, then you will get some sense.

At the end of the day due to frustration that's the comment I mostly get....."when you die hell,heaven,afterlife,god,aliens,ghouls,etc"
It's already an admission to lack of knowledge....mormons even claim you lived as a "spirit god" before you were alive...

An out of body experience is a well accounted phenomena and as usual it's been answered by a host of superstitions....one of which you believe..

It's as vague as dogma where you only acknowledge things and people that support the claim while ignoring those that don't....stating that when x happens you'll see y(naturalistic fallacy)

Rilwayne001:
True

lol.. apologies if you were offended and any Catholics, I don't think of you all as pedophiles... I was just releasing stress...

Rilwayne001:
Which means you just feel like typing gibberish?

All right then.

Well it's better than molesting kids isn't it?
Muslims and Catholics have something in common afterall.

Rilwayne001:
Did you read the OP at all

I did, do you misunderstand sarcasm
Obviously being a Muslim doesn't automatically make you a pedophile,atleast not until it's identified as the motivation.
lol....I'm in troll mode here.

Is friendship a one-sided relationship....where you're given an ultimatum to be a friend and enjoy good things or burn?.....that's not friendship, it's a dictatorship akin to north korea..

Our ancestors must have been caricatures then....

Muhammed part two in the making....next he'll write a book justifying his actions and the next boko's will be born....lol
Just glad this act was discovered and justice served.

Maamin:
Hahaha..i will answer your folly with the same folly..so John you are made from the same matter as the stars and yet a star have magnitude of radiance yet you are not.

Tell me you are joking..why are you not a star up in the sky providing light at least?

stars are mainly hydrogen and helium....are human beings incandescent gases?

Maamin:
Lol..and red shifting galaxies are the best description of your atom in the big bang

How? when? How do you come to know all these?

First and foremost....you seem to laugh off redshifts as though you've refuted it...May we know your stance?

Maamin:
Talking about fossils is it those ones that are riddle with so many missing links?

Are you implying that every fossil from every creature needs to be seen before this counts as an evidence?(ironically not all creatures leave fossils and the process in itself is specific)

We have water-land transitional forms...tiktaalik
We have lucy...the most notable form of evolution being her bipedal abilities(walking in two feet alone) and anatomy..
We have the fossil connecting wet-nosed primates to dry-nosed primates...I.e darwinius and many more..

I guess none of that is conclusive enough....therefore fossils don't count...might we also say because the theory of gravity has gaps regarding close ranged planets near their stars therefore the theory is wrong?

Thank you for the bolded...that is to show that "that which can be ascertain without prove can also be disregarded without prove"

Actually, thank you for this response, you've shown how your thought process works.....gaps in knowledge are enough to dismiss the entire conjecture....

Maybe since we can't find every piece of the MH370 plane therefore no such plane exists...

johnydon22:
Davien new stars being born i wonder if the guy thinks he is made from a different stuff than any other thing in the universe... before you forget remember he thinks magic did it..

lol.....he's statements so far are mostly non-sequiturs(no valid points)

Maamin:
How does this give any form of evidence that your atom was in the big bang?

simple....red shifting galaxies should highlight that...among the easiest clues.

Misogynist2014:
Amen. Wish she knew Christ.

Then she'll be the one pouring petrol on homosexuals and burning them right?

roqchiq:
well...'inversely' me sef no dey there,true true, and i no claim say i dey der....but i like the date wey dem choose, nobody force me like am....if you no like am, choose your own date celebrate the thing, am sure nobody go arrest you,sake of say, you celebrate christmas for 'August' or whenever....

lol....calm down tiger.

millyajay:
Wow I understand you..

Let's see if you do.

at times I feel the same way too especially when I see some things in the bible and ahl be like can this be true?

Okay,do you then investigate or stop there?

or when ahl pray like am gonna collapse and nothing happens..

Okay.

but these aren't reason enough for me to say God doesn't exist..

If you check my entire comments since I've joined nairaland,you won't see me say "god doesn't exist"...although I understand that that's what you're taught all atheists say(I'll tell you why extensively below)

For something to be known to exist it should atleast be verifiable in some way and when you bring a "supernatural god" in to a discussion we have a situation where it's been admitted that one has no evidence, nor ever could,but one believes by faith(lack of evidence)..

And this I think isn't a sufficient justification to believe something....by that parameter of "faith" one can believe anything(true or false) and it then brings actions geared towards that belief into play..

As a holder of the christian belief are you more liable to speak against a woman's right to an abortion and/or shun homosexuality?

So if anyone can bring up any "god/gods" and it can also be believed and held as true by faith....how then can one tell if it's not imaginative and If any is true....

If one can't tell(which is the case), then it's pretty much non-existent to you....so you'd act indifferent towards it.

An example is this....how do you know an invisible flying cow that doesn't manifest,isn't and hasn't been following you since you were born?

Can you prove/disprove that?....so you'd act indifferent, it's as good as not existing....even if people believe in it in the multitudes....you still wouldn't be able to discern if it's true....that's why faith is employed to make people believe.

coz me breathing isn't by magic or science..

Actually it is.....you need energy for metabolic processeses and for that you consume food....that food is then required to be broken down into glucose....the sugar molecule required for powering your bodies metabolic activities(aerobic in this case)

A lot of chemistry is needed for you to breathe..

thats enough confirmation that there is God......

No it isn't, besides the fact that your statement merely tags your "god" as the only sole reason without any justification and it(this statement) can be applied by any theist to justify any belief....

It's basically saying....you breathe therefore "allah,god,sango,twin goddesses" did it...

we can't say we are more intelligent than the Most High...but it's your decision anyway I pray the Lord touches your heart again himself..(amen)

I never implied I was more intelligent than anybody....and I don't need your prayers.(although I note you're merely concerned for my wellbeing in respect to your religion)

All those points are agnostic atheism in a nutshell.

Maamin:
Lol..evidence, proves, when?, where?, How?

simple....the conservation of mass...

The law implies that mass can neither be created nor destroyed, although it may be rearranged in space, or the entities associated with it may be changed in form, as for example when light or physical work is transformed into particles that contribute the same mass to the system as the light or work had contributed.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass