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striktlymi:
I tend to go with sonOfLucifer as regards 'different ecistence' or realities for man and ants.

Okay, does that change anything?

I understand that you'd like to think that people, ants, cats have different "realities" but this is fallacious in the sense that we(all of the above beings) interact together and their actions and causes effect each other...this wouldn't be the case if the reality aren't all shared with these beings....

What you and your cohort were to say was that perception varies in reality....not "different realities"..

One huge difference is the way time is perceived. The equivalent of a 12 year old dog, for instance, may be an 80 year old man.

Time is relative, not standard.....
And the example you're giving doesn't present your case as "different realities" because you're using human time(as in human years) as a standard to measure other living things(which would intuitively feel like a clever thing to do) but in the long run it only tells you what age that animal would be if it were human....

So you're basically re-telling a dogs years in relation to human years...

An example is that if sharks live to be 150 years old and humans rough 80, should we say it in relation to sharks that we're 1/2 shark years?

sonOfLucifer:
What claim did I present? Fucking idiot.

Butturt much? Claiming to know that a supposed "creator" is an exception to existence then running off and insulting like a toddler when you're asked about it... lol

AdeniyiA:
Logic fails logically in explaining the purpose and works of Almighty God

That's an oxymoron...

sonOfLucifer:
How boring life must be for you if all you and can ever be is defined by mathemical laws and methods. I really have no time to waste on your ilk. Continue to dwell in your darkness.

And you're accusing me of trying to start a fight?...

Life's not boring for me by the way....I reckon you think that having reliable information through testable methods means no awe at anything...the thrill is in discovery not assertions you can't back up...

sonOfLucifer:
You are looking for a fight where there is none. Typical of most atheists on this forum. Go find something useful to do, matter.

You presented a claim and I asked a question in response to that claim, how is that a "fight"?

Or is this your panic response to critical examination?....panicking? :-/

sonOfLucifer:
Who is this one?

So a single click on my profile is hard work?.... Sonoflucifer...answer the question.

What method did you use to determine that "the creator" is an exception?

sonOfLucifer:
No being exists without purpose. Purpose is a necessary component of existence. The Creator doesn't exist in the same way that we exist.
Does the human exist in the same way an ant or bat exists?

Actually yes....we're all made of matter aren't we?
You seem to know "the creator" vividly, can you tell us how?

Redlyn:
Right, so there has always been something. I think i got my answer in the end

Not in the sense that we know of...for example there wasn't always galaxies, stars and the elements..so you can't say they(since their a part of the universe) always existed...

Redlyn:
So then you are saying existence has a beginning. Ie there was a time when there was "nothing" and then suddenly there was something?

No, there's no known time when a philosophical nothing was ever the state of everything....I was referring to everything not always being at one single state..

Redlyn:
So I take it you have no opinion on whether the universe has an origin or not.

Origin is not the term I'd use considering the term refers to locations and events which apparently did not always exist.

kaptainshata:
Peter 1:1 that you quoted is in what testament Maybe you should try research in the original and first bible published, which is without doubt in Hebrew language. COs Jesus never spoke English in reality, it is people like you and me that translated the bible and deliberately remove truths they don't like and replace them with more desirable translations. All I'm saying is that, while translating, these gentlemen made errors (deliberately or unknowingly)

It's unavoidable to make errors when translating from a language that's dead.....if you have the time, watch this video about how the bible was translated...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmVY1Az5ij4

Redlyn:
True, and i have not said otherwise. I am simply asking the resident atheists which one they believe. What is your opinion?

Well...as far as anyone can tell the observable universe can be tracked to a 14 billion year cosmic evolution.

Dnarvaez:
Pls are you a Nigerian?

Purely a Nigerian....I'm even descended from ile ife( Ogori )

DProDG:
Isn't it amazing how after I pointed out how much of a joke your first citation from creation.mobi was, you still went on to cite more?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5kckGxwJr4

A paleontologist revealing the facts about dinosaurs in response to creationist citations of interacting with humans.

It's amazing how the alleged christian all-knowing deity would write a book that anyone could spin in his/her own favour...

Pastors use it to molest,steal and manipulate politics..

Husbands use it as an excuse to subdue wives...

Homophobes use it to bash gays...

Bigots use it to bash atheists...

Children use it to read porn(songs of Solomon)

Christians claim it's the ultimate standard but each pick and choose what it means...

Creationists use it to claim the earth is 6000 years old and adam lived with dinosaurs...

The wealthy use it to mellow poor folk into submission...

The poor use it to warn the wealthy into obedience...

Plus it's sponsored a lot of genocide, infanticide, suicide(jim jones cult,heavens gate),etc


And the ridiculous part is that it's managed to convince millions that what it says is true with absolutely nothing to show for it but weak reasons and fallacies...

Redlyn:
Either the universe (ie totality of existence) has a beginning or it just always existed. So which one do you believe atheists?

No one has to believe either for the case to be different....If I believed before hand that Jonathan would be re-elected would that magically have made it so?

Dnarvaez:
Now don't get me wrong
matters relating to spirituality differs entirely from Science & technology,, both can never be on same ground. If so how then were the so called scientists not able to determine completely how the earth looks like. No! They couldn't
Their facts were plainly based on mere assumptions.
Even as humans we do believe in some kind of unexplainable spirituality.
people with no family roots/background, especially Non-Africans, are the ones who would banter and argue about beliefs.

Sorry pal...."spirituality" is as vague as it gets...it has no standard definition....nor does it even has an argument in itself....

It's just about how many people you can rally in a common belief(that's why you were extending your reasons about humans believing in it)

Well I don't believe in it, does that make me "not human"?...

And the start of every view is based on an assumption....that doesn't automatically make the view wrong nor automatically discredited if evidence favors it....take for example the view that "every action has an opposite and/or equal reaction"....

That was once an assumption(a testable one or a.k.a an hypothesis) and time and time again it's been vindicated.

And it's best you know that non-belief I anything is not tied to foreigners.

Misogynist2014:
Read first, this is the link for Leviathan http://creation.mobi/was-leviathan-a-parasaurolophus This is for the time of the dragons' (dinosaurs) extinction http://creation.mobi/the-extinction-of-the-dinosaurs This articles are based on pure research, using information provided in Bible. Thought you would be enthusiastic about knowing about creationism and Bible GOD. I am a partial creationist who believes all living things are less than 6000 years old, but not sure of the time earth was created.

And that is the problem@bolded...

Dnarvaez:
Do u believe God and satan exists? If yes, then those beings whatsover also exist and they're of different forms and dimension. Even at times we hear people talk about ancestral spirits (their fore-fathers), becoz they believe somehow that the spirits of their long dead ancestors lingers on and they now reside in an imaginary world different from ours.

Beliefs can't tell the reality of things....
And placebo effects aren't a daunting problem for scientists...it has it's limits...I.e hiv/aids,limb regrowth, etc

Misogynist2014:
http://creation.mobi/could-behemoth-have-been-a-dinosaur

Your link starts up with a precluded bias that a real creature was being discussed without any other reason than "god said so".
You then went on with what would be an indicator as to why it's not a dinosaur....medieval people who read it were also reading it in their worldview so who 2000 years + would "interprete" it to be a dinosaur?

So....can you answer these issues?

Misogynist2014:
In fact, it is because of the rsv calling them hippo and croc that made me stop reading rsv. Though Behemoth was not really described much, it rescembled (pardon my spellings) a huge dinosaur (chief of the ways of God) with a very long tail, that moves live a cedar tree and is a vegetarian. A lot of the dragons are either the opposite sex or the younger ones. Wake up guy, no animal could have gone extinct MILLIONS of years and still have blood in them! When asked, they said it fell in a place that preserved bones! Wake up, wake up, God is real! http://creation.mobi/dinosaur-soft-tissue As for Leviathan, give me your example

Be specific here, what type of dinosaur....don't just say "aha dinosaur"and think you've presented a case.

And what dinosaur is or was ever "fire breathing"?

michaelwestern:
Backing up the age of the earth with which verse in the bible? where is the age of the earth recorded in the bible?

Go ask your Christian creationist brethren....there are no shortages of them in here... OLAADEGBU and the likes.

This was also used in the slave trade... .good slaves don't complain.

michaelwestern:
Dont mind them, in an effort to discredit the bible, they start lying against it?

I assure you, nobody lied about that....just Google "young earth creationism" to see your fellow Christians backing up the age of the earth with the bible.

Nocrap:
Most atheists are people who become confused with religion, not because they have proofs to show God doesn't exist.

Similarly I could say most Christians are confused about allah, not because they have proof allah doesn't exist...
That's your logic....lack of a "disprove" proves it's real...

So I guess flying spaghetti monster is real too then...

And the op made a nice job, the bible can't bring itself above atheists than a child....That's why insults would suffice.

RoyPCain:
everything will die except God, the very One Who created you.

whats wrong in making billions usd and sending something into its early grave, if it deserves it? remember is not all of them you sent to their early grave, because the adult 'female' will munch on your blood. i am sure you like them sucking you dry. see they prevent others from being hit with malaria when you send many to early grave. you render your own accusation as coming from lack of proper thinker.

do you know pregnant mothers and small children are the most susceptible to malaria? Did they deserve it?

Shouldn't it come as a red flag that people that are supposed to be middle-men to "god" would manipulate the masses with the usual "god said so", so do it?...

Rainess:
I think you must be joking

lol, he's an atheist making a joke...

Hiswordxray:
It is just a claim to only those who haven't seen the manifestation of God's power.

Then using your logic you'd also see the quran as just a claim without the manifestation of allah

It's surprising that someone who was once a member of Living Faith still thinks God's power is a claim.

Don't forget also a son of two deacons....all those qualities didn't stop me from being an atheist.
And it should be a flag for you as to whether there's anything "supernatural" going on.

Anyway I strongly believe you are only lying to yourself.

Exactly how does one lie to oneself to deny something?

I guess the reason you left Christianity was because you prayed and God didn't answer your prayer so you got angry with God.

Here you go again, assuming reasons that you think would justify leaving your belief...

If I'm "angry with god" wouldn't I just be a frustrated theist instead of an atheist?...

Being angry with "god" would mean I acknowledge what a "god" is and right now I don't.

So once again this turns you into a liar.. Or atleast unwillfully dishonest.

But I've told you before, God loves you and you don't need to remain angry with Him.

I've addressed your straw-man of being "angry with god"...

Beamborla:
This same God also gave healing to the sick and rose the dead from death to prove his existence.

So it's written in the bible....And the bible is the claim, so does a claim justify another claim?

Beamborla:
He wouldn't kill you over some silly argument.
He need not kill you to prove his existence.

The ways of the Lord is quite different from that of Man.

God exist and he loves you.

have you forgotten that elijah had the 4000 prophets of baal killed just to prove its existence,allegedly after setting elijahs sacrifice on fire....