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herald9:
All this rigmarole won't get you anywhere... believing in what you know is not true is just like Christians believing in an Almighty God....As you spend every moment trying to rationalize their mind,also endeavour to expunge yours of this hogwash scientific mythology...


Two wrongs can't make a right

DieeDiee:
You claim to know him why can't I ask you?

herald9:
Ooopz! punch received...absorbed... straightens #

OK!
Your big bang fairy tale doesn't make any sense either...

How did these exploding particles get there in the first place? What was there before?

How could everything just appear out of nothing and starts random explosions?

If all the planets were created that way,how come most of them are not spinning in the same direction?

Do you know this theory clearly violates the first law of thermodynamics which states that matter can neither be created nor destroyed?

Can you also use big bang theory to explain the formation of humans and other complex organisms?

malvisguy212:
yes there are law of physics and time,something cannot came out from no where,scientists can say something must have caused God(which is wrong) but the problems with this scientists is that they don't understand the nature of God, science can't explained God.I believe God is not bound by our understanding of time, why did I say this? Because there are lot of prophecy in the bible that the prophet use present tens example isaiah say "a child IS given" he use present tens.

God is the sole exception to these laws because he is a supernatural being instead of a natural one: he is invisible and immaterial, and his existence does not depend on, nor is it tied to, the existence of our physical world. What holds true of the natural and material does not necessarily hold true of the supernatural and immaterial (and vice versa).
Thank you.

honourhim:
That doesn't address my comment either.

malvisguy212:
there are many verse in the bible that indicate that God was acting before time begin.

italo:
I'll take a look at it.

DieeDiee:
No hold up! Let us use his argument and his definition. So the universe according to @truthman2012 is ''the whole
creation and the Creator'' and in the same breath he says that according to the law of cause and effect something must have created the universe. Now if by @truthman2012 definition of the universe (I remind all that he said the universe is defined as: ''the whole
creation and the Creator'' - Creator being God I assume because he capitalized the word) then that means GOD MUST HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY SOMETHING because as the christians keep saying nothing can create nothing and @truthman2012 said in his OP the universe was created or caused by something else therefore if christians assert God exist the what or who created God?

malvisguy212:
If the universe has always existed,
then time has always existed, for matter
has always existed and presumably was
not entirely inert (i.e. events would occur by which the passing of time could be measured). This implies that an infinite number of events have occurred prior to now, as there was an infinite time prior to now for them to occur.

truthman2012:
What is wrong?

Prove that the earth evolves from nothing as nothing produces nothing.

You will have a hard time to convince anybody that something can come out of nothing.

truthman2012:
From your order of creations: Universe first, then bang, galaxy and planet, right? Serious error. Everything created is known as the Universe.

''Earth evolves and fertilized over time''. Did the earth evolve from nothing as nothing produces nothing? It must have evolved from SOMETHING and that something is God. Or tell me what the something was.

herald9:



But I've still proved a point... just think about it...

truthman2012:
Universe is defined as ''the whole creation and the Creator'', meaning it includes the earth.

The Big Bang Theory from the link says the Universe started from 'small singularity' and expanded. Whatever the singularity means, SOMETHING must have CAUSED it. What is the something if not God?

DieeDiee:
Yes, sorry the universe then after the bang the galaxy and planets were created. Earth evolved and fertilized over time.

herald9:
Unfortunately sir, Newton's first law of motion supports creation...

"An object will continue to be at rest until it is acted upon by an external force "

This clearly shows that atoms didn't just start rolling and bumping into each other to form a perfect entity like the universe ...Something must have 'acted on it' .

DieeDiee:
The Big Bang theory proposes that the earth was one mass (as your christian bible also proposes) this mass expanded and expanded over billions of years (as opposed to 7 days) till finally it erupted. To simplify for you, think of microwave popcorn. You put the bag in the microwave and the heat does its magic the bag expands as the kernels heat up and explode. Now just image that bag bursting and the contents inside spilling over. Remember heat and cold create moisture and condensation, moisture and condensation is water and water is the source of life and it fertilizes. This is a very simplified explanation. If you are up for some reading here's a link: www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html

truthman2012:
Since nothing can produce something, it means something must have produced the Universe, what was it that produced the Universe? The bible says it was God. If not God, what was it?

herald9:
reasoning like this can blow your brains...

truthman2012:
I got it from the OP.

truthman2012:
Nothing existed in the Universe before something caused it to exist. What is the something?

truthman2012:
My accusation is just an observation.

Give us your own classical definition of 'nothing'.

truthman2012:
The same Advanced Learners' Dictionary defines 'nothing' as ''not anything'' That is, no space no container.

Don't edit a post when making comment, it is fraudulent.

truthman2012:
@davien
Your knowledge of science is shallow.
'Vacuum' is not and not close to 'nothing'.
Advanced Learners' Dictionary defines vacuum as space in container
from which the air has been pumped out. Space or container are
something, not nothing.

truthman2012:
@ davien

Your knowledge of science is shallow.

'Vacuum' is not and not close to 'nothing'.

Advanced Learners' Dictionary defines vacuum as space in container from which the air has been pumped out. Space or container are something, not nothing.

RikoduoSennin:
Did the maker of Rolex declare himself to be a God? Did he/she meet the require of being a God? Then, how can I worship him when he himself is a creation?





@ bolded, not necessary that I knew that watches are created: but more about complex gears and wheels working together in precision can't come by chance.



@ bolded, you are wrong there is reason to believe it was created because from your previous bolded comment above, THEY CAN'T COME BY CHANCE- No human has lived long enough to see a planet formed.

The earth is more complex and precise that Rolex time piece, so it can't come about by chance.

You have heard that God is the creator of earth you choose to ignore that. Human's are limited to what we can perceive

truthman2012:
There should be no question about ''nothing produces nothing''. Something must have produced the Universe, which is believed a belief to be "god" because the bible says so.

Scientists as humans have not been able to discover what caused God, but the truth is they discovered something cause the Universe as nothing produce nothing.

macof:
Excuse me! Small Gods you say?. Yet these Gods protected our ancestors, kept our lands free from disasters, enabled us build empires, graced us with intelligence and skills to overcome life's huddles, healed us etc.

Surely ur God, Jehovah must be the small ones

slyfox5555:
davien

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Any scientific data to support the primordial form view?



Any scientific data to support the primordial form view?

Any scientific evidence to support points 1 and 2?

There is the simple law that NOTHING can give rise to NOTHING - that was my point. Your explanation that the universe existed in a primordial form before it inflated still doesn't explain where the primordial was. When did it start to exist in primordial form? Scientist have traced the Big Bang or creation or the universe about 14 billion years - that is the data we have so far. What about the primordial form? Did it always exist? Was it there eternally and just inflated about 14 billion years ago?

Scientist such as Alan Guth - Physics professor at MIT are the ones doing deep research into cosmic inflation and that inflation is after the Big Bang and not before it. So, I am interested in your view about primordial Universe - I am sensing you are saying the universe had always existed but decided to inflate 14 billion years ago

Everything that is,was and will be in existence is still termed
"the universe."...before inflation and after.

slyfox5555:
davien



No one is arguing this point. The question is, did the universe have a beginning or did expand infinitely i.e. did it always exist and just continue to expand?

All I wanted was for you to be specific. You have confirmed that our universe had a beginning and this beginning was an inflation. That leads me to my next question, where did energy and matter come from? Did they exist before the inflation or they started to exist when the universe was inflated?

Ah - so basically you are not sure. You are suggesting that properties such as matter and energy might have existed before the universe but you are not sure - is that your stand? If yes - any scientific reference or proof for this?

Neither am I an astronomer . However, we have evidence about our cosmos that can be discussed. We know certain laws have to be in place or certain things to happen.