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vooks:
Why do you care?

I'm just curious....you hang around topics like these.

RikoduoSennin:
Yes, This four Forces.

Please Evolutionist, tell us How did this forces originate and why do they seem to be fine-tuned to support life on Planet Earth (Their mathematical constant).

Well for one they are emergent properties of reality so their origin can't be pinpointed exactly...although not all are required for the universe to function..for example the weak force absence changes nothing about the universe being habitable..(read peer reviewed article below)
http://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.74.035006

And seeing that we only know of this configuration....how can you tell that the universe is fine-tuned?...And calling me an "evolutionist" is a bit immature don't you think?

RikoduoSennin and vooks are you two creationists?

dd12345:
Yes, God is going to bring unity back to His Church, the church is His body, the church is his bride, He is already purging it of chaffs and impurities, He is going to present it blameless, glorious, spotless. He is purifying the church presently…can’t you see what is going on in the church all over the world, the confusion, the frustration, people are tired of the status quo, the emptiness in the church, the corruption,the worldliness in the church, the lack of power, life and freshness, the lack of inner satisfaction that is xteristics of a living church…people want more of God, there gat to be more to what we are experiencing in the church…this is the yearning of our soul presently. GOD IS IN THE PROCESS OF REVIVING,AWAKENING HIS CHURCH.I WAS ONCE IN THAT STATE about 5-6 years ago, tired of church going, tired of the activities that kept me busy going to the church…the confusion why reading the scriptures, the contradicting verses of the church…bible says I am this but in reality I am not…I just hate everything about God, Christianity and the bible but just av to go to please my pastor and my family…but thank God for his mercy when I found a company of believer who preaches Christ and live his life…that’s the happiest thing that every happen to me…5 years ago and still counting…God delivered me from shackles of religion and brought me to experience his reality, now I can relate with his person…He is so real to me than anything in this world and I am praying God will bring everyone to His reality…but my only fear as I journey with God everyday is the future in him…I am scared(great excitement, wonders) of the glorious things that are hidden in him…the depth in God is unfathomable…I thought of men like David, Noah, Enoch, Abraham, Moses, Daniel, Paul, Peter and many others who walked with God, they must have experience this fear/excitement as they walked with God. These and even much more is what God is going to do with his church IN THIS LAST DAY…

And where did you get all this info?

paulGrundy:
Its CANTICLES/BERNIMORE's religion that is causing the division by inserting words into the holy text and re-interpreting it to suit their bias.

But why are the texts so vague that anyone can insert anything into it?

dd12345:
i agree with ur observation but its not suppose to be so...the focus of every living church is to point people to christ...christianity is able people with sin coming to jesus christ for salvation...not just being BORN AGAIN...not just accepting him as ur saviour but also as your lord...when we accept him as our saviour in being born again...but without accepting him as our lord in leading in the new way(tranforming us) which is contrary to the old way we were treading b4 we come to him...

the reason why we have so many denomination today is because different churches or denomination focus on a part or different aspect/counsel/giftings of God and form a doctrine around it without having the whole counsel of God...some on healing, prosperity,deliverance,dos and donts of the law, some accept the lord saving power and not his lordship and so on. As a result they fall short of the whole counsel of God.
The whole conSEL of God should center on CHRIST and nothing else...paul says I PREACH NOTHING BUT CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED...that is the purpose of the church...of christianity and nothing else. the purpose of the five fold ministry...apostle,prophet, evangelist, pastor and teacher is to focus on christ...in bringing people to the full stature of christ and not the goodies from God...ephesian 4v11-15 tell us thw whole counsel of God as shown..11 And he gave some,
apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and
teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the
edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of
the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the
stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed
to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men,
and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the
truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Okay...so is there anything that you think can bring them all together or would they forever be divided...

Horus:
I have not read it, but can you tell us more about it?

It's just about some dude who's been "contacting plaideans" and is "an ambassador" of "intergalactic relations"

Unbias:
I can see you are bent on claiming to have asked a follow up question when its unlikely that you have the slightest idea of the implication of framing questions in such manner.

Suprisingly after realizing you made an affirmative statement:, you no longer want me to reconcile the ADE of christians who saw allah but to prove there is life after death.

To believe in life after death presently, its either you experience it personally or believe the reports of many who have had the experience after they have been medically confirmed dead or based on religion or culture. I have referred you to an example cited as proof in a scientific study of near death and out-of-body experiences but I doubt you read it, or maybe comprehension is the challenge.

I'm not obliged to prove the reality of ADE to you because you asked for a different thing which you are now trying hard to turn around.

Honestly when you first mentioned epistemology I thought you were a philosopher. But after your stranded comment on its relevance to our subject of discussion, I knew you are not even sound or competent enough to have invited 'epistemology' and that's the reason I said its almost unecessary.

I'll leave it to everyone to judge who's been meandering from a burden of proof...and you are merely re-copying my questions and repeating them....

davien:
Then suddenly(when you saw your folly)you now claimed this..

you then copied it back to me

Unbias:
Suprisingly after realizing you made an affirmative statement:

For someone who has the username "Unbias" you are very dishonest and are reminiscent of a bloke who'd repeat back what he doesn't understand.. smh...a pity indeed

Christianity really is a divided lot.

Horus:
The pleiadians, the reptilians and the greyaliens are responsible of the manipulation in the scriptures. In the year In 1999 the pleiadians came to earth to ask the cacasu (Caucasians) why they have not used the 6000 yrs to rule with peace ? Why they have abused the children of Paa Munzdar-u ?(Africans/Negroids). So they would not receive an extention of time at the year 2000 AD, the end of the 6000 yrs from 4000 BC. Their overlords placed 3 trigger words in their books or religion that would trigger their self destruction slowly from 9 11 2012 AD , you find the three words in the book of Revelation 9:11 ; now compare the date 9/11 2001 to the chapter and verse 9 and 11 and the elected president Bush which means in Hebrew as Strong’s # 954 meaning disappointment, delayed, shameful. The 6000 years rule of the Caucasian ended in 2,000 A.D. Notice how the economic system of the Caucasian is crashing. Caucasians made images of himself as God, Jesus which had no real life. Then he, with the help of the souls of Negroids gave life to their image creating their god, jesus into human form that the whole world thinks he did live, when he is only a myth!

lol....have you also read Billy mayer's claims on the pleiadians?

dd12345:
@davien there is no confusion in christianity except you are reading the scripture with a carnal mind. and besides, this is God way by which he want to redeem Man...not Man's own way...not Man's own idea...

Then why are there over 40,000 denominations with mutually exclusive things in christianity? Okay,can you tell me if the bible should be taken literally or metaphorically?

MrPresident1:
So because I believe that The Almighty God created the heavens and the earth I have a religion, right? is that what you are saying?

Did you suddenly wake up one day knowing that or is it what the bible tells you?

MrPresident1:
To believe in the One True God is religion? Is that what you mean?

If you regard something as the bolded then by definition you follow a religion that claims it...a monotheistic one more specifically..

confusion in christianity

MrPresident1:
I do not understand you. Break things down for me please

You are denying being in a religion when you reek of monotheism..

MrPresident1:
When one makes judgments and pronouncements after having heard only one part of the story without hearing the other part, one is evil.

You cannot say God is evil until you have read the whole Bible all by yourself to form a composite picture of what it is all about (Joshua 1:.

You will have to read it by yourself, the whole book, then you will be able to talk. Until then, you will be an automaton (no offence) parroting the opinions of evil people who's life ambition is to see that the Negroes never awaken (which in itself is the greatest joke of the world).

Israel will rise. Jesus Christ is already walking in our midst.

Lol,I have read the entire bible...and does reading the entire bible make slavery justified or the killing of homosexuals? or the mauling to death of 42 children by two she-bears ordained by "god" a good thing?...
if you agree with any of that then you're a sadist(by definition)

MrPresident1:
All religions are man made creations. There is no true religion. Religion are the broken lenses through which majority see God. Broken lenses or mirrors show distorted images. Distorted images are akin to a divide and rule mechanism. Everyone thinks he has the right image, thereby fulfilling the motives of the creators of religion.
Every shard of broken glass purports to have the complete image of God, everyone of us knows that this cannot be true of broken glass, so it is with religion too.

God has no label, God has no religion.

Then why do you address it("god" )like a monotheist,if you aren't a monotheistic worshipper following a monotheistic religion?
You are merely wearing a mask and lying to yourself that you also are not among the flock..

MrPresident1:
No, the Bible NOT fallible. It is written in codes to deter the flippant, and the unworthy.

Psalm 25:14
The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Fear God by living in faith, He will show you His secret

Then why does it permit slavery and the killing of men, women, children, infants, homosexuals,etc if it isn't fallible?

truthman2012:
Define 'cosmic inflation'.

Did you try wiki, because I'm sure we'd be going in circles if I tried explaining it for you..
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)

Unbias:
If by now you have not realized your statement was affirmative, then something is wrong. Pls learn to admit mistakes, no one knows it all. Let any great mind analyze your question then you would realize your folly.

My candid advice, learn to ask proper questions that will not put you in tight corner so you wouldn't have to twist facts.

Your comment on epistemology as it relates to our discussion on ADE is really shallow especially for someone thought to be versed in it. And yet you forced it into the discussion when its almost unecessary.

This is quite pitiful and ironic....when a follow-up question cannot even be understood and one who claimed a positive is running away from proving the claim and lying at the same time....

I believe everyone who can follow-up on this discussion should know who's lying and trying to run away from proving the positive(your quote below)

there is life after death.

And again it's ironic that you had no knowledge why epistemology was relevant in your below quote

Epistemology... Dude, educate me on how it relates to our
discussion on ADE so far.

Then suddenly(when you saw your folly)you now claimed this..

And yet you forced it into the discussion when its almost
unecessary.

There is a big disconnect in all your discussions and you also fail to grasp elementary things..If anyone is to learn to admit mistakes it would be you and another advice would be to go and enlist in a school of thought so that you'd know who has a burden of proof in a discussion and what a positive statement is...

MrPresident1:
[b]The Old Testament
What I am saying, is that, the Bible is not a book of religion. In your mind please cross this paradigm. The Bible is the history and culture and values of a people; these people were the people to whom God first revealed Himself. Adam and Eve were the names of these people; a nation of people, and not one male person and one female person. it is in the habit of the Bible to condense nations into singular individuals.
God showed Himself to this people by giving them statutes and judgments and commandments and laws that they were to live by so that He would continue to take care of them forever (Deuteronomy 5:29). And He did take care of them (Deuteronomy 32:14).
Unfortunately, these people did not show fidelity to God and His beautiful laws; they betrayed Him by corrupting themselves with idolatry. They forsook God and dabbled in wickedness. They became utterly depraved and corrupted.
So God turned His eyes away from them, because they would no longer obey Him.
Anyone whom God turns away from is doomed, finished. This is the story of the Negros till date.

The New Testament
This is the story of how the beautiful laws of God were taken to the whole world so that the world too can partake of the blessings and jollyments initially only enjoyed by Israel (Romans 12:11). The mandate initially given to Israel was to take the Laws to the world (Genesis 1:22), Israel failed. Rather than take the laws to the world, Israel got corrupted into the world. A foolish and sottish people to this day!
This is the basic frame of the Bible. Keep this in mind and stop thinking in terms of religion. Think of the Bible in terms of the culture of a people, about their way of life, about their values and entire belief systems.
Perish religion from your mind; Judaism (the religion of the fake Jews), Christianity (Mixture of Roman pagan myths and the Bible) and all other religions are just control mechanisms for the herd; the herd, sheeple, must fall in line.

Isaiah 1:3-4
3 The ox knoweth his owner, and the Bottom his master's crib: but Israel doth not know, my people doth not consider.
4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the Lord, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.[/b]

There is no religion in the Bible
THE RELIGIONS WERE MEANT TO DIVIDE AND CONTROL US; LET US ALL STOP THINKING IN TERMS OF RELIGION, LET US ALL UNITE. IN UNITY WE ARE GOD!!!

Hmmmm...so the bible isn't infallible?

truthman2012:
Okay, what caused the Universe?

I dunno,as far as we can tell the universe is a result of cosmic inflation..do you agree with this?

truthman2012:
I don't know if i have asked you: who caused the Universe?

Why a who? do people create universes?

Unbias:
First, you seem not to understand that your response was affirmative.

No it wasn't.... I never had said I believed like you did(quoted below)...

That simply affirms my arguement- there is life after death.

This is a clear indication that you've either heard or read ADE of christians who saw allah and most likely believed. -Therefore giving the source of such an example shouldn't be a hard nut to crack for you.

How does it escape you that I don't have to believe in a claim before proceeding to ask follow-up questions....
And there is no shortage of sources that cite the claim of this...I'll pick this citation

I understand you perfectly and know what you are driving at to have asked such a question.

Sadly you don't understand me but somehow think you do

Unfortunately that's not how to ask a follow up question and hence, your subsequent arguements in its defence is defeated. I might consider attempting your question if correctly rephrased.

This is an empty refutation because you have not pointed out any flaw that is supposedly in my question,but instead you just affirm it defeated...that's dishonest don't you think?
And it's no surprising you'd do that, seeing the fact that you're meandering away from proving you positive position.
You can see that in every refutation I've made your folly is always pointed out plainly..

Epistemology... Dude, educate me on how it relates to our discussion on ADE so far.

Your relaxed attitude toward your ignorance of the relevance of epistemology in this and any discussion.
Epistemology is relevant so as to know truth from falsehoods, or positions can also be discussed in light...
That was why when you falsely said I needed to "prove" my statement I told you, you have no knowledge of epistemology because I have made no positive claim...

truthman2012:
There is the evidence that something causes something and nothing causes something. That the Universe exists, something must have caused it and God said he was in the Bible.

can you define a "nothing" that causes something?

Science has not discovered everything and may not discover everything, right?

True...although discovering things aren't the full objective of science....we also have to understand and demonstrate discoveries...even in non-scientific epistemology knowledge can be demonstrated through deductive arguments...

Does it then mean nothing more exists because science has not discovered them?

No, it just means they can't be asserted as real without proof nor verified justifications...

If there are things not yet discovered and may not be discovered, God is one of them.

How is "god" among the string of unknowns of science,when it can't be demonstrated nor even highlighted as a possible factor involved in anything?

truthman2012:
Who caused the Universe?

why a who? do people make universes?

This is very true....everything complex that we see were shaped by 4 simple forces(gravity, electromagnetic, weak and strong forces)

An2elect2:
1.Well, i think people fear associating with foolz.
2. It(atheism) doesn't sit well with their conscience.

They are right. Its only a matter of time for you and others to see that they are right.

This is a good case study...

lilcutie8916:
I was once a christian, a devout one at that, but right now I can't people that I have doubts towards god talk more of not believing in him. The very moment I tell someone I am an atheist I get that look of disgust and they immediately get offended. Yet christians still claim to suffer persecution, well maybe in a parallel universe. So my question is why can't they just let us be.

Bigotry is common in religion because of the emotional attachment to the affirmation that you "know the truth"....I wasn't bad to non-christians....I argued with atheists often too.....till I became one,and now i'm not in a position to accept something that demotes human lives..

Unbias:
That's funny you know. You cited an example that you are not sure of and expect anothet to prove it for you.

I asked a follow-up question which you want to meander around
1.You believe in ADE's
2.How do you reconcile others who "saw" different things?
I don't have to believe before asking questions...
An analogy is to ask a believer of santa how he gets into chimneys,i don't have to suddenly start believing in santa to ask follow-up questions to the person making the positive...

Gentleman, its either you cite what you are sure of with reference/source or an example that has to do with your personal experience. You wouldn't dare make mere suppositions in academic research.

look above, your meandering won't work here....so are you going to prove the positive you made or back out on your word(like the usual theist)

I have given an example as a proof of ADE with the source above. Read my response to johnydon22. There are other thousands of after death experiences but definitely not of those Christians who claim they saw Allah.

your "proof"of ADE is not substantial neither is it even confirmational of what you believe goes on after death....and you conglumerated several unknown sources to serve as your proof,like the one below

About 8 years ago in a northcentral state in Nigeria, a woman who
had been confirmed dead for about 18 hours woke up and narrated
her out-of-body experience. Many said she was either hallucinating
or narrating illusions. I know you don't believe too.

And estimations done of people who claim this phenomenon do not experience the all sensory inputs and appear to be residual brain activity....
And where I found the source for the conglumerated article was
http://www.medicalworldnigeria.com/2014/10/first-hint-of-lsquo-life-after-death-rsquo-in-biggest-study
Which explains why you did not source it...

So please prove your statement:

I have nothing to prove as I am only making a follow-up question, perhaps you aren't versed in epistemology...

Unbias:
The onus is on you to back your claim with proof of such ADE.

Know the difference between an assertion and a citation...I cited ADE's of christians who claim to have experienced "allah"(hence I always use quotes and skeptical language), you on the otherhand believe in ADE's,so whom is to give proof here if not you,the believer of ADE's?
Here is a re-affirmation of your stance below

That simply affirms my arguement- there is life after death.