Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, Answer These Simple Questions. by davien(m): 10:10pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Kay17: I don't remember giving away my credentials as a biologist or that kind, hence I wonder why i am roped into a thread about biology? He thinks all atheists are scientists and have knowledge in biology,cosmology,biochemistry,etc...so he'll ask about evolution,the big bang,and mutations...and expect you to know everything about the subject. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, Answer These Simple Questions. by davien(m): 10:03pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Emmalot121: This is what I was trying to say, the world started from something and not nothing, nonexistence couldn't start our world, this something is God. Before we say something can or cannot produce sommething we have to know what it is,so I'll repeat the question....is there any point in time when nothing in the classical sense were in existence? And are you familiar with the fact that "god" needs to be defined and proven to have done so?....you can't just say "god did it" and expect me to swallow your claim... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, Answer These Simple Questions. by davien(m): 9:26pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Emmalot121: I used vacuum in order to derive nothing. Vacuum and nothing are two different things, vacuum is the absence of air molecules, nothing is the act of nonexistence. We also have to know that we can't use any test to test whether nothing did start the universe, since we need to use something to bring out nothing. All we can use is logic. Good...so at what point in time was there ever a non-existence?... |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Evil Spirit That Corrupted Lucifer (satan's) Mind; Where Did It Come From? by davien(m): 9:25pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Sibrah: Those in heaven(beings) are still in line so qualify to be in heaven. Thought they have a choice. The case of humans who av bneen through earth is diff. They are locked to KIngdom 'network'. Our being on earth is a tramsaction place where we have tje choice to buy 'into' the narrow and or wide path.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: The Evil Spirit That Corrupted Lucifer (satan's) Mind; Where Did It Come From? by davien(m): 8:48pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Sibrah: All beings have the tendency to act in two diff directions, without this power of choice we will be as robots. Good...so how is "heaven" free from this choice of evil or isn't it free? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, Answer These Simple Questions. by davien(m): 8:29pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Emmalot121: Atheists argue that life popped out of nothing, therefore God is not needed in the equation. They are quick at using M and B word. They say Earth is billions of years old and man is millions of years old and evolved from tiny organisms. They have refused to give us detailed reasons why it took so long and every process man took, if possible catalyze the whole process, subsequently giving us a human being. Let me use the experiment that Galileo Galilei used to stun the entire world of science; the experiment that every object falls at same rate when air resistance is absent. To do this, we have to pump out the air to give us a vacuum (though logic tells us the vacuum is something, the absence of air molecules gives us a perfect example of nothing since we are only concerned about the air molecules and its emptiness.) Through this experiment, we see that for nothing(absence of air molecules) to exist, something must have triggered it. What if we want to get our air molecules back(a very important component of life itself)? Should we wait for a few days, months, years or centuries for air molecules to pop out of nothing? A sane mind will realise that something can't come out of nothing but nothing can come out of something. This proof singlehandedly shows that the genesis of the 'faith' of atheists is shaky. Since its now being proofed that life started from something and not nothing (even nothing must come from something,) we can then try to highlight the properties and characteristics this something must possess: 1) Must be called God because everything was created by him because without him was anything made that was made. 2) He must be infinite because he is infinity, he came from infinity, therefore he has no source, neither can he have an end because he is infinite. 3) He must be all powerful and infinitely intelligent. The works of his hands are sufficient proof. 4) He must possess properties beyond normal, properties beyond our wisdom e.g an invisible Spirit. People will wish to argue this one but Hebrews 11:3 says: Through faith, we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that "things which are seen are not made of things which do appear". This applies to everything in the universe, including you and this knowledge is applied in the making of televisions and phones. Your premises go against the fundamentals of thermodynamics....energy cannot be created nor destroyed. A vacuum still contains vacuum energy and quantum flunctuations which allows something to virtually come from nothing...this increases with phenomena at the planck length...which we can detect the universe had originally been at such a state. And your entire post reeks of a goal...hence the "must be called god","him",etc so make a cogent post and stop special pleading for "god".. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, Answer These Simple Questions. by davien(m): 8:04pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Emmalot121: I have the proof of God's existence Is it demonstrable? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, Answer These Simple Questions. by davien(m): 8:03pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Emmalot121: These are pointless and baseless. The complexity of the eyes I think should bother us more than how we wished it to be. Even if these are actually defects, it should rather amaze you how its still possible we can see, even with these perceived 'defects'. The fact that defects can be spotted wreaks it being intelligently designed by "god" |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, Answer These Simple Questions. by davien(m): 7:59pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Emmalot121: The same way the complexity of life was identified before attributing it to God. Tell me, can an unintelligent process create this masterpiece? Yes....Dna is ruled by unintelligible processes that make a human being following its biochemical potential. And if life is attributed to "god" like basic understanding you won't need faith now would you?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, Answer These Simple Questions. by davien(m): 7:54pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Emmalot121: Atheism is faith, can you prove the nonexistence of God? Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Atheists hope that God doesn't exist though you can't prove his nonexistence. You hope afterlife doesn't exist though you aren't sure it doesn't. Back your faith, before critiquing that of others. Nice equivocation fallacy....using the bibles definition of faith to lie is a mighty feat for a christian...isn't the verse hebrews 11:1? It is not my duty to prove the non-existence of "god" because it has never been proven,only labelled on things(evident by this entire thread). And by your definition you have faith allah doesn't exist because you can't prove it does... So perhaps you should stop and think clearly before painting yourself into a corner..  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, Answer These Simple Questions. by davien(m): 7:40pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Emmalot121: Have you seen why I said atheism and science can't go together? If Newton didn't reason that for objects to fall, a force must be pulling it towards itself, where in the world would the priceless knowledge of gravity and its laws come from? Apply this to what we are discussing. Forces were identified before things were attributed to forces...and the knowledge of gravity and its laws are general statements that are true under certain conditions(i.e presence of mass or a false vacuum)...you have no case emmalot121. You are just making one empty assertion after the other. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, Answer These Simple Questions. by davien(m): 7:35pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Emmalot121: Atheism and science can't go together. This is a straw man...they are both secular and the former is just a lack of belief in "god/gods" which is something science cannot objectively verify or even hypothesis to exist also... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, Answer These Simple Questions. by davien(m): 7:32pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Emmalot121: If you can't answer it, then that means there is still possibility of God doing it. In fact, it is impossible that something as sophisticated as human eyes was done through evolution. If one cannot identify a "god",then how can one attribute things to a "god"? If you cannot identify that a tooth fairy exists,then how can you attribute tooth missing from pillows as its handiwork? And on the grounds of evolution,i'll ask you a very simple set of questions of which the first one is this..were all the present forms of life created by "god" with their various features necessary for their survival? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Only The "Christian God"? by davien(m): 7:26pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Maamin: I dont feel even the slightest twitch of neuron about them, Their lives, their choices, their consequences. So is the bible wrong about its views on homosexuals? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, Answer These Simple Questions. by davien(m): 7:21pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Let's say we don't know how eyes came to be...does the ignorance of a subject give merit to the idea of "god"?...or is it a label to mask ignorance?...because if I asked how "god" did it,you'd have no answer. And point of correction the eyes are flawed...ask an optician what floaters are and you'll realise one design flaw after the other.. Perhaps our ignorance of black holes should be answered by "god did it" too,would it solve anything?...or just provide a label to mask ignorance? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Only The "Christian God"? by davien(m): 6:42pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Maamin: Who shove the believe in God to your face and restricted your right? Get real jor! 
Restrict kor restrict ni  how do you feel about homosexuals or a woman's right to opt for an abortion? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Only The "Christian God"? by davien(m): 1:57pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Maamin: Of-course you bother way too much on something that does not exist. 
When you start creating thread about cinderella,snowwhite,sleeping beauty,repunzel etc..then I will take you serious. Really...do people who believe in Cinderella shove it on your face and restrict peoples rights? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Only The "Christian God"? by davien(m): 12:55pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Maamin: Removing the foundation of what exactly?..something that does not exist?
*unbelievable* Even fairy tales are founded on something.... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Exist? The Evidence Doesn't Hold Up - Washington Post. by davien(m): 12:45pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: You still haven't prove anything. Or are your thought an action? It is the product of an action....the same way photons bouncing off of anything to incident on your cornea is interpreted by you as "seeing" is the same way your environment and body being reviewed in light of interactions with and by the brain's mental activity is a thought. I don't have to prove that you have a thought...because it is a property for you as a mentally active animal...unless you deny being one. So instead of proving "god" you've been running around the questions...is this how you show "god" exists,by dodging questions?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Atheist Hate Only The "Christian God"? by davien(m): 12:38pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Maamin: yet you are always here on religion section attacking everything about God/gods.
smh!  lol...I hardly "attack" anything....most theists here just post anything that comes to mind...remove one faulty foundation and the entire building crumbles down...  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Will Inherit The EARTH Since We All Pray To Make Heaven? by davien(m): 12:28pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Maamin: i said
i repeat a yes/no will be fine No |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Will Inherit The EARTH Since We All Pray To Make Heaven? by davien(m): 12:18pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Maamin: Do you believe in God..the scripture I quoted from?
A yes or no will be fine  I lack the belief in "god/gods".. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Exist? The Evidence Doesn't Hold Up - Washington Post. by davien(m): 12:17pm On Dec 20, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: Thought is a noun and you still haven't prove to me that people has thought. If you could prove to me that people have thought then I would prove to you the existence of God. We can keep going in circles of foolish talk or we could start speaking the truth. For example you know that God exist. The word is a noun..the meaning is an action.. " the product of mental activity; that which one thinks "-http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thoughtSo...is "god" a thought? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Will Inherit The EARTH Since We All Pray To Make Heaven? by davien(m): 11:58am On Dec 20, 2014 |
Maamin: the meek shall inherit the earth..matt.5:5 And who will inherit the remaining 7 planets and the rest of the universe? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Belief Of An Eternally Burning Hell Sound Appealing To You by davien(m): 11:53am On Dec 20, 2014 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Evil Spirit That Corrupted Lucifer (satan's) Mind; Where Did It Come From? by davien(m): 11:51am On Dec 20, 2014 |
No questions allowed... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are Atheists Always Talking About Religion by davien(m): 11:48am On Dec 20, 2014 |
shadowgwalker: you claim to know things and events but your 'big' brain tells you Jesus was a wanderer with no food or accommodation. see how ungrateful and pathetic you sound? it's so annoying trying to argue with your kind, you think you have interesting facts, even the devil is scornfully laughing at you. the reason you are alive and working 'freely ' is because of that same 'Jesus that was wandering with no food and accommodation '. Time will tell! we will know if it's your research and technology that extends life beyond the '20years lifespan of yours '.
MAY THE GRACE OF GOD BE WITH YOU! This is what happens when a theist is cornered.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Exist? The Evidence Doesn't Hold Up - Washington Post. by davien(m): 11:45am On Dec 20, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: Bla bla bla bla... This didn't prove anything.
Show me a tangible evidence that people think. Now you're acting retarded...thinking is a termed action that the brain does...can you show me tangible evidence of seeing? The same logic applies...we've been going around in circles now just to verify something you claim is existent...now is "god" a thought? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Behold, The Atheists' New Ten Commandments by davien(m): 11:37am On Dec 20, 2014 |
It was just a friendly contest...something someone doesn't clearly understand... |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Exist? The Evidence Doesn't Hold Up - Washington Post. by davien(m): 11:31am On Dec 20, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: You still haven't prove that others could think and you are still deceiving yourself that others could think just because you can think.
Prove to me that I am thinking and I would prove to you that God exist. Lol...thinking is a termed self reflective action that requires a brain...a brain is an organ that requires a living well oxygenated body..a body is what should be behind a device writing the dribble above... So,do you have a brain? Going in circles doesn't make you sound smart hiswordxray,only dishonest. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Exist? The Evidence Doesn't Hold Up - Washington Post. by davien(m): 11:27am On Dec 20, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: Well I could also say I don't believe you have thought. You can keep tricking yourself that you have thought or keep telling me that just because you have thought I also have thought. Or maybe you should honestly bear the burden of proof.
Can you proof to me that every human being can think in their mind just like you? Thoughts do not really exist...hence we say we perceive our thoughts mentally I.e in our own heads(again this is a definitional action).. Being in a cause and effect world is in large part why we try to make some paradigms appear existent when they are not... The brain is also working along this principle,touch a hot stove and you'll experience pain...hold your breathe and you'll pass out,in all and any of this scenario's your actions have an effect and is stimulated by a change in your environment....your thoughts is how the brain micromanages the overwhelming amount of stimuli(or change) around it.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Exist? The Evidence Doesn't Hold Up - Washington Post. by davien(m): 11:15am On Dec 20, 2014 |
Hiswordxray: If you tell me what you were thinking about this morning when you woke up would I be able to verify it? Just because I am not able to verify it does it mean you were not thinking this morning and your mind doesn't exist? Or tell me, is there a way to induce and/or test your thought? If I indeed told you my thoughts this morning you'd only need cross-confirmation.. We know people think,at least some more than others...(cerebral cortex) We know people have self reflective thought(frontal lobes) We have termed our self reflective thoughts and cognitive decisions as "thinking",therefore verifying a thought is not practical because it is a definitional action that requires the brain to work in concert.. The same with being asked to verify a definitional action like "running" This is your way of sneaking out of my question,again dishonestly dodging the burden of proof...can you see now that your belief has no sound basis when to simply verify something that you define is existent is not feasible?  |