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Sagamite: It is not only fitting into the Okocha and Kanu narrative, it is fitting into your entire philosophy's narrative.

Assess people based on ability, awards should be secondary, team wins should be tertiary.

Good teams and good players sometimes do not win something. If you assess based on ability, YOU WILL NEVER GO WRONG!

Then you will not come to the conclusion where you would say Kanu is greater than Keita or Ikpeba/Adebayor is greater than Yeboah.

That is how in a few years now, we will have some new player win WPoY twice and automatically, you would say he is better than Cristiano because he won it twice and CR only won it once. Not considering CR came second several times to the greatest. You will say the person playing in another era has more awards and played for Man U or Barcelona so he is greater.

JUDGE PLAYERS BASED ON:

- ABILITY
- LEVEL PLAYED AT
- INFLUENCE ON TEAM

Then you will know Bebeto, Gascoigne, Keita, Eusebio, Zico, Batistuta etc were great.

Then you will know Okocha was greater than Kanu.

Also TEAMS win championships and cups except a player is carrying the team like Maradona/Argentina, Henry/Arsenal etc.

Note: Van Nisterooy and Raul score a lot of goals but they do not carry the team.

How do you assess a players ability, Are you saying Only Sagamite could see Okochas ability and none of the big clubs in Europe could see it? CAF couldnt see it, FIFA couldnt see it

Does he keep these supreme abilities under his clothes?

When you have the ability, people would see it, clubs would pay for it, you would play in top clubs and win laurels and your ability would be rewarded with personal awards, if in a good team with trophies

Based on ability to entertain like Okocha has, Denilson should be the best player ever, Odartey Lamptey should be Africas number 1, Quaresma should be perpetual ballon D or

Gombe a gbe wa oo

tomakint: Alagba Ubenedictus, it seems you know a lot about the war that we don't know, perhaps you fought in that ill-fated war! Imagine you telling us now that Ojukwu intended to invade Yoruba land when [size=14pt]from all indications his mission was gentlemanly (by sending Banjo-via Wole Soyinka to the treacherous Obasanajo) for passage to Lagos the then seat of power[/size] in order to teach the demonic, megalomaniac Hausa-Fulanis a lesson they will never forget,unfortunately the plan failed when Obj betrayed Soyinka into the hands of his Hausa superiors, the more reason plan B was implemented to ward off the 'vandals' from using the mid-west as a launchpad to enter into the then Eastern region. It is too unfortunate that so many revisionists always invade the thread that talks about the Nigerian-Biafran War! Remember that, Awolowo made a promise to Ojukwu that Yorubas will be 'neutral' if a war eventually emerges, unfortunately that was not to be, even Pa Awolowo was an arrow head in the 'war cabinet' of the clown (Gowon)hmmnnnn

Read the below and tell us what is gentlemanly about that move

[size=18pt]LETTER FROM LT.COL. OJUKWU TO LT. COL.BANJO[/size]

22nd AUGUST 1967



From: The Military Governor,

Republic of Biafra Enugu,



22nd August, 1967.



My dear Victor,



1. For some time now, you and I have been discussing the circumstances that have led to the current and inevitable disintegration of what was the Federation of Nigeria. We have been fully convinced that the aim of the Hausa/Fulani complex has ever been, and will ever remain, the total domination of every other part of what was known as the Federation of Nigeria. It is impossible to forget that the crisis which led to the army take over in January 1966, the coup of the Northern soldiers led by Gowon in July 1966, the wholesale and indiscriminate massacre of the people of what is now Biafra- and, to a less degree, the people of the Mid-West and West, including the Yorubas, were all the direct result of Hausa/Fulani attempt to subjugate and use as tools, the gallant people of Western Nigeria namely the Yorubas. We do not need to remind ourselves of the heavy losses in life and property suffered by the Yoruba people in their fight for justice and freedom during 1965.



2. Sharing.our belief that the people of Yorubaland have a right to live a life of equality and self-respect and justice free of domination and dictatorship from any quarter, you have both identified with the cause of the Biafra struggle for survival and expressed your determination to see the people of Yorubaland freed from Hausa/Fulani domination.

We, the people of Biafra, for our part are willing and have decided to give you and the people of Yorubaland every assistance to achieve your aim.



3. After clearing the whole question with my Executive Council, I, as the Commander in Chief of the Biafran Armed Forces, have decided to place at your disposal Biafran forces, for the liberation of

Yorubaland on the following clear conditions:-



(i) You will have nothing to do with the Military Administrator in the Mid-West Territory during your sojourn there prior to your move to the West.

(ii) The willingness and preparedness of Biafra to assist any part of the former Federation of Nigeria wishing and willing to liberate itself from the Hausa/Fulani domination, does not in anyway whatever

imply any inclination on her part to compromise her sovereignty or preserve what remains of the defunct Federation of Nigeria. In other words, our sovereignty and break with Nigeria is irrevocable. Nothing must, therefore be said or done by you or any member of the Liberation Army to give a contrary impression.

(iii) Biafra is determined to maintain and safeguard her sovereignty and ensure that her integrity and safety are never again threatened.

(iv) Biafran troops will, after the liberation of the Yorubaland, remain in that territory only for as long as we in Biafra consider it necessary for the Yorubas to consolidate their position and sovereignty against any external threat.

(v) On the liberation of the Yorubaland, you will be appointed as the Military Governor of that territory.

(vi) The liberation of Western Nigeria will be a prelude to the liberation of all Yorubas up to the River Niger and the severance of all connections between the West and the North at Jebba.

(vii) During the period of Biafrans troops’ presence in your territory, all political measures, statements or decrees shall be subject to the approval, in writing by myself or on my authority.

(viii) Should our troops arrive and liberate Lagos, the government of the Republic of Biafra reserves the right to appoint a Military administrator for the territory. Such an Administrator will remain in office until a merger of that territory with Yorubaland is effected by Biafran troops.

(ix) As soon as possible after your appointment as the Military Governor of Western Nigeria and separation of that territory from Nigeria, you and I must meet to discuss:

(a) the duration of stay of Biafran troops in your territory;

(b) the areas and subjects of cooperation between the liberated sovereign states of Western Nigeria, or by what name it may call itself, and Biafra.

4. I do not need to remind you that Biafra regards all Yoruba as friends. As such everything should be done, to ensure the minimum force and loss of life are involved in achieving the objective of liberation.


5. It is essential, in order to avoid misunderstanding or confusion, that all subsequent requests for support be formally made to me by you in writing.


6. Will you please signify in writing, your acceptance of the above conditions so that you may leave for Western Nigeria and lead the army of liberation.


Yours very sincerely,

signed Lt. Col. Odumegwu Ojukwu,



Military Governor and Commander in Chief of Biafran Armed Forces.

culled from " A Break in the Silence : Lt. Col. Victor Adebukunola Banjo, pp.66-68, by F. Adetowun Ogunsheye, Spectrum Books, Ibadan, 2001" . Provided by Prof. Olufemi Ojo.

The moment Biafra attacked SW at Ore all bets were off

Sagamite: So someone spends three seasons shining, winning 2 awards and then falls to obscurity, and another spends 15 seasons shining and coming top 5 in awards in ten different years and top 15 in the next five, according to your assessment criteria, the former that won 2 awards is better?

So how does this fit into the Kanu vs Okocha narrative?

Kanu was best in Africa twice, Number 6 in the whole world

At least you have to show us Jayjay was top 5 for 10 seasons in Africa and ever mentioned in contention for WPOTY or Ballon D or to be considered at all

Kanu was another ordinary member of the team until the last 2 matches.

Sagamite, I have warned you to watch your football closely.

In African qualifiers for the olympics Kanu was the Hero that qualified us

At the olympics proper first game vs Hungary Kanu was Man of the match, Brazil MOTM

chic2pimp: Was just about 2 say that. Eto'o is most definitely better than Milla

Zizou had 2 or 3 good games.

Zidane had less than that.

France played 7 games

Zidane was red carded vs Saudi, Missed Paraguay and Denmark game. So he had a total of 4.5 games

Vs Italy he was marked out and useless same vs Croatia

It was Mainly against Brazil that he shone. Vs South Africa too.

stillwater: The operative word in my prior post is If. If my husband was part of the 5%, I'd stay at home honestly. If I intend to work, it would be from home. To hell with what the world thinks . If he isn't part of the 5%, then back to work baby. You think if I had some trust fund somewhere I'd be slugging myself at a job right now. Absolutely not! This isn't about kids bla bla, stress is just not good for moi . I won't even pretend I'm a flying superwoman.

I agree. Its like saying If my dad is the Sultan of brunel i would never need to work.

But when discussing Nigerian households we have to consider how many people can afford that top 5% lifestyle

omar22: Best player of the tournament or NIgeria's best player.... because he only had one good game which was Brazil (1/6)

Kanu 20 years as a striker only 121 goals (average 6 goals per year) Thierry Henry scored that in 4 years....

According to the words of Michael Johnson - I dont celebrate Mediocre or Average performance!!!! (and cheating)


By your logic Samuel Eto is better than Roger Milla

First of all Samuel Etoo is better than Roger Milla.

Kanu had one good game? i am sure you didnt watch the tournament Did you watch the match against Hungary? Did you watch the final against Argentina?

Let me take you to France 98, How many good games did Zidane have?

Sagamite: Then you know nothing about football. You just know about awards.

Awards are not given for their hairstyles not they height awards are given by experts for players contribution

Soyinka won a Nobel you think he was fucccking the committee that gave him?

bukatyne: Why would a woman go to university when she knows she wants to be a housewife and not work at home mom? Thousands of people are looking for admission into the university and a girl gets admission, finishes and sits at home by her choice?

Yes your daughter who copped a loan of $100k to be a Neurosurgeon, Lawyer, Engineer, Pharmacist etc, schooled for 10yrs should be a Housewife cooking, cleaning and washing clothes

stillwater: If my husband is wealthy enough, I will sit my butt at home honestly. To hell with my degree!

In Nigeria How many men are WEALTHY enough in your definition? Probably less than 5%

So that means less than 5% of men can afford housewives

Roland you are forgetting your countdown. How many days more

Hey Roland you are forgetting something...

Maybe Wenger would ask for a deadline extension

^^McCarthy did not win the AFCON with South Africa

And regarding Okocha I think you meant 1994 instead of 2004

Sagamite: Your approach is really just poor.

So Adebayor, Ikpeba and Amunike were also greater players than Yeboah because they were African footballer of the year?

Rivaldo was a greater player than Thierry Henry because he won World footballer of the year?

Yes to most of those

Amuneke, Ikpeba and Adebayor are better than Yeboah.

And Rivaldo was worlds apart and wayy better than Thierry henry

What happened on this thread again?

Ok Make I give una amala chop

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Andre Uweh: The above junk is very hillarious. Dude, you write as if Biafra at any time declared war on Nigeria. Did that ever happen?. Your post above shows that you are one of the forumites who only learn about Biafra/Nigeria crisis in nairaland. Anyway, we will keep on educating you lots.
Stop thanking God in vein thinking Yorubas did not join the war. The war was Nigeria against Eastern Nigeria (Biafra). Yorubaland was and is still part of Nigeria. The commander of the Nigeria 3rd division that cleared South of Biafra was a Yorubaman called Adekunle. Another Yorubaman finished the task for him.
Can you do us a favour by stop meantion Biafra which you know nothing about?.

Any secession without a referendum is a declaration of war. Anywhere in the world.

When Southern US seceded the whole country declared war on them

[size=16pt]CHARITY BEGINS IN MALI[/size]

Sagamite: You are a joker.

Kanu is greater than Essien and Keita?

Mboma is better than Tony Yeboah or Bruce Grobbelear? On what grounds?


Comparing Benni to Okocha is like comparing Wiltord to Maradonna.

Yeah Kanu is greater than Essien and Keita. Number 6 player in the whole world Number 11 in Europe Won CAF awards twice those awards were not because of his hairstyle

Mboma African footballer of the year, Nations cup winner Yeboah didnt achieve any of these

Mccarthy won UCL, top scorer in a Nations cup, Played for top clubs and you compare that to the jester Okocha

Okocha ko OBOcha ni

While some people are crying in this country dying daily we use 7billion on a country Mali who doesnt send us

How much did we waste on ECOMOG in the past Liberia, Sierra leone Cote D voire etc and what did we get back from it?

While The country is suffering

African father christmas Owambe country Naija we hail thee

slyfoxxjoe: ur an illiterate so u can't understand the op's point. I'm guessing ur not in the work force ur self from this silly opinion u just posted. If I ran a business and saw my employee eating amala 'WHILST' attending to my customers, I will sack him instanteneously!

What of he is eating pizza

[img]http://1.bp..com/-5likDxprx0g/TzEoPaXNuFI/AAAAAAAAAGw/fIgA0ihD9GU/s1600/amala.jpg[/img]

Hmmm Interesting

Why the guy sef steal small thing and not pension fund

tpia@:
You didnt describe the stew, you only said amala and fish.

Did he eat the amala with fish only (how is that possible), or was it ewedu or ila alasepo.

Btw, are you white/ a westerner?

Lol @ tpia.

Op Ngbo, what kind of soup was it ewedu, Okro, Egusi or Banga soup?

Was it red oil or vegetable oil used to prepare it?

What kind of fish, catfish, tilapia, express, titus or what?

Was he drinking pure water or bottled water?

Did he belch after eating and how many times?

Do you have a video recording?

[size=18pt]Op is angry because the guy didnt invite him to eat. Abeg nor vex[/size]

Would it have been better if he was eating pizza like below

[img]http://thumbs.ifood.tv/files/images/editor/images/co-workers-eating-together.jpg[/img]

Let me tell you a secret I also eat on my desk even the president Retardeen Jonathan does

[img]http://nationalmirroronline.net/thumbnail.php?file=cassava_602046489.jpg&size=article_large[/img]

A-40:
Let's be honest that tournament is fast becoming a yawnfest! Boring as hell! Sentiments apart

Which tournament EPL which Man Utd can win working from Home(remotely) or AFCON which some unsuccessful Yahoo boys and ex Congolese child soldiers decided to make a few dollars from their nations FA.

Left to me they should scrap the thing and play the tournament on Xbox or PS3 save cost

ileobatojo: Yeah Coogar would hire someone to his company with a rusty, crusted up CV over someone who is fresh and uptodate in the field. He's an astute business man that one!

In IT for example imagine the knowledge and technology someone who last worked in 1988 has and how its relevant in 2013

In Telecomms industry what relevance does someone who left the industry in 1989 have in todays world. When she left no Internet, no VOIP, no VPN, No cell phones she was probably using TELEX

I know mr coogar would tell us she can learn about those multi billion dollar technology from her kitchen sink while cooking and cleaning and singing lullabies

Even in the Medical field if you have been out of practice for a certain number of years you are required to retake the board licensing exams

Or a 55yr old accountant who worked for 3yrs after school stopped working in 1987 to raise kids and whose last kid turned 18 last December would now wear suit and show up for Interview


Yeah all companies would rush her with her age and 3 yrs relevant experience. Its possible, Its plausible sef. everything on the internet is possible

coogar: your employers already know you are at home with kids - why would they then designate you on a conference call with clients when they are well aware you have kids to look after? na wa for this type of reasoning - it's getting tedious. the work of a network engineer does not require important phone calls apart from conversing with the head office when one needs to troubleshoot - even with that, a bluetooth headpiece solves that issue. you can fry your plantain and still communicate with other network engineers.

You see what I am talking about senseless argument just to see the size of ones fonts

I never knew there are employers who would pay you to look after your kids and not do their own jobs. In the real world most employers dont care if you have a dozen kids or are barren. They need report at 7am then its 7am. You need to be on a conf call then so be it, You need to troubleshoot over the phone so be it. No one cares whether you are the Mother of all nations running a creche.

in that case, the man is the leech!
ladies, beware of the types like dayokanu. he makes one-third of his wife's income and he wants the kids in corona, abu dhabi vacation, etc even though his own income cannot afford such luxuries. hahahahaha - this is so easy!

Nothing wrong with women earning more than men. I am sure the yahoo CEO probably earned more than her husband and Michelle Obama for a lot of her life earned more than her husband. If my daughter is a $3m a yr Neurosurgeon so Should she not marry anyone who doesnt earn that much? Okonjos husband probably earns less than her. Ko si big deal

Efemena_xy: Actually, I do.

Now you advocate for "some" measure of employment for women with young kids. So, you've moved on from a complete no-no to a "perhaps".

You're shifting the goal posts here Coogar!

Now, back to the point of women working from home...what about "quality" time with the kids?

How can these women possibly dedicate quality time with the kids whilst on a conference call? Or in the middle of an on-line presentation? Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying working from home is wrong/bad. What I'm asking you, is this: How does this option tie in with the much needed quality time you advocate for, for the kids? How on earth is this any different from placing the child in part-time nursery whilst she focuses on work? And not worrying about what her over active toddler/ crawling baby might be getting up to?

You should know most of coogars argument dont make sense.

Now mom can stay at home and work no longer stay at home to take care of kids, clean house, wash plates, sweep floor etc.

So mummy should wait at home even when the kids are in school till the last of them leaves home at age 17 probably mommy is 55yrs

Then she would lift her 55yr old butt to go write aptitude test and apply for jobs

Some things are just written to increase ones post on NL you know

coogar: an education on females is not wasted - once the kids are all fully in school, she can enter the labour market again!! where did i say a woman should dedicate the rest of her life to children when the kids are out of the house by the time they are 16/17. even if she had her last child at 33, is a 50-yr old woman too old to work or she would be nurturing the space left by the kids whilst they are in their respective universities? you have a way of making your own argument, don't you?!

Like I said earlier arguing senselessly just to read your own fonts.

Abeg oo how many careers does one take a 17yr break and just enter the labour market seamlessly at age 50yrs

Yeah i know Zenith bank would hire a 50yr old accountant who last worked in 1990.

they shouldn't entertain the thoughts of having kids if they are bent on staying in old ikoyi, go to dubai every summer and if they intend to send those kids through expensive private schools all the way to yale/havard/MIT. it's sad but true - only millionaires can afford such luxuries. however, if having kids is imperative, then they should cut their cloth according to their cloth. put them in schools with less quality, ignore abu dhabi summer trips and settle for obudu ranch and put them in okuamagbo memorial secondary school instead of corona.

In the world of realities couples combine their income and raise the standard of life of their family instead of going to okumagbo the wife pitches her bit and they send the kids to better schools Two can combine to achieve Corona instead of one person

Line up 11 men on the goal line

And contact TB Joshua

A-40:
Two brothers meet in the Superbowl on Sunday. Two Bavarian brothers meet this week! May the better Bavarian (me) win

Hahaha mogbe! This lunatic left Dzeko and Nastasic on the bench sha

E gbaduraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Jah elo elo , elo elo Jah elo elo

Elo aladuraaaaa

Eli kababa Eli Karimu Atobajaye eleruniyin Oba ogo

greatgod2012: d part....... "if your savings cannot afford #1million per term fees, then, dont have a kid - its that simple"....really got me laughing so hard.

Well, since there is no guarantee that a stay-at-home parents makes a better child and a career-driven woman makes a worse child, then, each to his/her own. Let each of us do what s/he want and d good Lord will perfect and reward our efforts. As parents, we plant and God waters, so each should do what seems right to him/her.
May God help us all.

I have told you all from the beginning his arguments make no sense at all Imagine that part you quoted. Would you expect that from a sensible poster but since we are dealing in delusions we can assume every Nigerian bachelor is worth 100m and paying 1m per semester school fees shouldnt be a big deal