04kaa:


lmao, dbr u nor get respect for your seniors o, u know know say ofoka na your elder brother for here

Sorry sir, snr lecturer ofoka

DBR, shes a gurl not a dude, haba dbr!!!!

really? i no kno naaawww.
How did u figure if i may ask, when there's no sex indication on his/her moniker.
Hmmm. . .or u used ur eboralistik powers

oNe

FatFish:

DBR
Go spit a bleeding bar
You don't need a car
Cuz you wont be a star

Notice U been floodin every thread . .seekin a battle or sth.
Sorwwy dude, u gotta learn how to write wit a pen 1st,
then learn how to make that pen a deadly sword. .then pple may wanna battle u.
Ma advice. . .go enroll in Ofoka skool of rap. (if he'l take u)

oNe

Genuflect ?nah you sound more like retarded/brainless
on nairaland no competition but am still the bestest
Dude on here you cant bleep with me my bars are cockblockers
coming at me will make you sound like wackaflocker
No sumbliminal dog this is your kiss of death
cos i know you never come around just like a fuc*ing square
run you mouth u will take shots like enyeama
we aint gonna box f samuel peter/i will spray your blocks like afghanistan

wow. . just saw this
who was deji.ariyo molestin with those bars??
Not bad at all. .

oNe

Eldee,

y u dey act like hypocrite naauwww.
U said the my favorite number is 198 . . line no tight?
Mnwhile na u 1st quote am o

eldee (m)
SW1A 2AA
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Re: Brand New Modenine Freestyle
« #10 on: July 26, 2010, 07:18 PM »

WHOA!!! That first verse was crazy!!!!!!!!!!!

'My favourite number is 198
Do the math, I'm number one, beef Nine and get ate. . .

oNe

Ibime:

They all feel me/ Streets is what you call witty/
till his audios disappoint. . . like fat chicks with small t*tties!/ 

Hehehe. . .

oNe

Ibime:

DBR, you forgot the no1 rule of Nairaland. . . . STAY CLEAR OF OFOKA!!!. . . . its just not rational.

Tnx mayte for remindin me. The boy just wanna suck me into his world.
Maybe he felt i was dissin him wit wat i dropped on Flow for Rank{but i wasnt}.
Sure u'v seen it.

oNe

04kaa:

honestly i didnt know u were this much of a joke, what thrash are u talking about, does this ''red eye ebora merindinlogun'' here look like he gives 2 bleeps about anything?? give urself brain no dey follow ebora dey drag anything for here, grow up man and be a man, even this new dudes think your a joke , see that one even calling u a weakling, guy just wisen up and borrow urself brain, if not more people will come to reveal your fooly

yadda yadda yadda. . . u just full of hot air, boy!
Can u just do us a favor and just shush? tnx

oNe

See, guys. Debosky has posted some tots, i'v tried to share ma tots on his tots.
That aside, why dyu think i'l take this position?
Im not a pastor, I dont have a church, i dont plan to, none of ma relatives own a church.
Ma dad is late, i have a widow mom{good enuff reason to be on the dont-pay-tithe wagon}
But, wat the word says it says.

Anythin u do wit God is by faith, i dont pay tithe or offering to any pastor, i pay it to God.
The pastor can do waeva he wants wit it, ma transaction is with God, and since i have that
understandin, it's been workin well for me.
Tithe is a worship to God, it's acknowledgin God's ownership, and that He is the blesser.
He says to TEST him if i do it, if he'l not open the window of blessin'. . .

I know the flesh wuld be like , wow . . all these pastors are just livin in abundance. .
buildiin edifices. . private jets. . while there are poor pple around yada yada yada. . .lol
I'v been there b4. .trust me. I can tell u it's pure flesh.
Same with the disciples that wanted to stop d lady from usin alabastre to wash jesus' feet. .sayin she's wasteful
they culd use the money to help the poor. . .

These is ma belief, based on the provision in the scripture.
It is not a law, it's not sth that u MUST do. . just like many things like fast or pray et al.
But it's not a fraud, scam and all d names y'all been calli pastor and churches because of it.
There are far more weightier matter that tithe .

oNe

1COR 9:13-14

But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ. 13Don't you know that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

So obviously Paul did not receive tithes from anyone.

Maybe he didnt at corinth, .as at when he wrote this letter. Maybe he didnt at all either.
Remember u quoted this not me, ok.
Now, go read again; if u r using this verse to refer to that fact that he didnt collect tithe,
and u use bold text on that part of text u highlighted for emphasy.
Remember same text says they have the RIGHT to, but he didnt use that right.

U quoted it, not me.

oNe

@Chukwudi44

i said:

Tithe came b4 the law, so not canceling it aint cos it was given to jews as LAW.

U replied wit:

Circumcision which brought so much disgreement in the early  church also preceded the law ,why was it stopped?Dont also forget that offering of burnt offerings was also practised long before moses gave the law to the isrealites.I see that pastors do not preach these ones  in their churches because they are not lucrative

So are u rebuttin the fact that Tithe came before the Law??
Common sense will tell us that it's not E"RTHING that came b4 the law that was stopped.
But those that were adumbrations of things to come and later fulfilled in NT.

And yea burnt offering was sooooooooooooooo lucrative. . back them, even the priest made a kill from it.
guess u didnt study your bible well enuff.
Most y'all just speak of things u kno not of.

oNe

@tommyT
i said:

@debosky
those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel "even so" as the priests of the Old Testament lived from their temple service.
And part of how they live is that God gave the tithe to them [i](Numbers 18:21).[/i

and u rply with this??

@D[b]P[/b]R[b] now you are twisting the bible[/b], you need to go back to you study room and check
who the Levites are, it will help you better if u can use your bible dictonary
The Livetes are different from the Priest, they are church workers who dont have any other business
according to bible.
pls check this and stop this unnecessary argument

U pple think u can whip up sentiments by callin names, fraud, scam, now me twisting the bible. . .wat a laff.
Pls show where i'v twisted and not just blab that im twistin the bible.
Who said Priest and Levites are the same?? Culd ur lack understading of a particular be
teh reason u think im twistin' it?. To achieve wat?

So u do not kno that the Levite in turn pay tithe to the priest?? Goodness me!
Y cant u jus ttake time to study rather than be quick to say im twistin' the bible
cos im sayin thing u neva came accross, or u ignorin just to push ur line of tot?
I do not see the relevance of ur post on this one. . sorrwwyy.
And it's D[b]B[/b]R not P, ok.

oNe

Enigma:

This is what you should have said/done in the first place instead of poisoning Christian doctrine with falsehood and even fraud (though maybe not your own personal fraud).

Is this ur response to ALL that i'v said.
U pick just a closin phrase of do as u will out of ALL i'v written?? Hehehe. .says alot bout ur intention.
And pls dont just throw tantrums wit labellin me.
SHOW how i'v poisoned a doctrine.
Funny u didnt feel u shud say the same bout one of ur guys who lied that jesus neva spoke bout Tithin.
And from the onset, i'v said tithe is not sth u MUST do, go back and check e'rthin i'v writen and dont just jump on ma closin remark.

oNe

In 1st Corinthians 9:14 it says:
those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel "even so" as the priests of the Old Testament lived from their temple service.
And part of how they live is that God gave the tithe to them (Numbers 18:21).
i guess paul didnt know Levitical priesthood was already abolished yet he says AS THE PRIEST of OLD TESTAMENT??
For the Umpteenth time TITHE was BEFORE the Levitical priesthood.
Infact the priesthood that took over the levitical in NT is priesthood of Melchizedech and we know Melchizedec's recieved tithe.
Which further butresses the fact that Tithe and under the Law.
Even the commandments that were under the law, dont we still keep them.
y dont we say, yea, we aint under the law, and just live as we like witout keepin the commandments??

Or some of the blessing God pronounced to his pple in OT we shudt claim them cos we under the law.
We shud just rip off our OT and study only NT.

Y'all shud stop sayin things tha'l bring me back.
Do as thou will. I rest this matter.

oNe

Quote
24“Now when the Lord  your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

4. Share this feast with Levites (another time, also widows, orphans, strangers etc)

So u sayin the verse suggest just givin then some part of it. Which is right.
Now, Y'all be askin i do d xplanation. . which i'v been doin.
Now table turn, if u just sharing wit 'em  pls xplain wat this verse means:

Numbers 18:21 
"And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance,
for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation."

"I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the Tent of Meeting.

Good luck to u on re definin' wat ALL means.
Im done.

oNe

mceeluther:

DBR your name even shows your a weakling

Sorry dude, try harder.

oNe

04kaa:

is flow for rank your criteria for credibility measurement ? honestly your a bigger joke than i thot

I mentioned FFR, Warcraft and u droppi topical.
And Yes, every person who claims to write rhymes have ALL drop their bars there.
Its not a criteria for credibility, it's a platform for showin watchu got instead of just braggin and makin' noise
of how badda.s.s u r with 'em lines.
Remember how u beggi to be featured in 'em battle and no one wld touch u with a cattle prod?

oNe

04kaa:

this dude is a big joke honestly

He aint even prolific enuff to drop decent bars on Flow for Rank, no Topicals,
no Warcraft features, yet he calls another is a joke. . .lol


oNe

By all means, eat ur tithe. becos of this:
"You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. "And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

And by all means read this too.
Cos if u eat EVERYTHIN witout noting as xplained there are different kinda tithes i dont know how the below will happen:

KJV: Numbers 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance,
for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

New International Version:
"I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the Tent of Meeting.

Is right there, y any1 will chose to categorize it as scam, fraud of pentirascal is hillarious, like it's not staring at e'rbody in the passage
of the scriptures.
And i ain t even a pastor.

oNe

@debosky
This is ma response to ur tots if u dont mind.

1. Jesus would definitely NOT condemn the tithing of the old testament as practised by the Pharisees, because it was given unto the Jews as a law/command/instruction to follow, with detailed description.

Tithe came b4 the law, so not canceling it aint cos it was given to jews as LAW.

2. If Jesus meant for Christians to tithe, as described in the OT why didn't he give instructions on this? He gave detailed instructions on giving - doing good to your neighbour, giving in humility, the widow's mite, etc. If tithing is a 'requirement' in any form, why were there no teachings on this? Instead Jesus talked about sowing and reaping, and didn't mention a single one of the various 'offering' types that were in the OT.

Simply becos they were already doin it well enuff. .but they were lackin in the "doing good to your neighbour, giving in humility. . "
Jesus wudnt consent to it if He didnt want them to do it will he?
Refer to Sabbath day issue. Even tho t'was the Jewish thingy He told then sabbath is made for man not man for the sabbath.
Plus there were other things Jesus just mentioned witout neccesarily doin an exegesis on it, u know that, dont'ya?

3. Since the Levitical priesthood has now been superseded by Jesus' priesthood, what instructions are we given (in the bible) for who should 'receive' tithes in the form preached today? Please note that we are ALL priests now, not just the 'pastors'.

And that priesthood is the Melchizedeks' priesthood. And Abraham paid tithe to Melchiz tho he aint Levitical.

4. The gentiles would have little or no knowledge about the Jewish 'tithing system' so why didn't Paul or any of the other NT apostles lay down instructions on tithing if it was a practice for Christians to follow? They talked extensively about providing for ministers, about giving cheerfully among others, but NEVER once even mentioned tithes in reference to these items.

There are references to it. Becos it is a worship to God, God said it's His, it is acknowledgin He owns e'rthin'.
That has not changed. He still owns e'rthin. .
In 1st Corinthians 9:14 it says: those who preach the gospel should live from the gospel "even so" as the priests of the Old Testament lived from their temple service.
And part of how they live is that God gave the tithe to them (Numbers 18:21).
That's my take on it.

5. For those saying we should indeed tithe, which of the various tithes do you subscribe to? The first or the second tithe? How did you make this decision on which to adhere to? Is the first tithe more important than the second one or vice versa? How was this decision made?

I know i dont do the general gatherin to eat kinda tithe I pay my tithe. . which is ma reasonable service and let the church decide how they want tp appropriate it.

6. Giving to God's work, be it 1% or 10% WILL receive a reward - that is what the principle of sowing and reaping teaches us. In that sense, I have no issues with people giving whatever percentage of their income to the church or to others they deem deserving. What I object to, is when the matter is taught as a necessity - it clearly is not

Yea u can give wateva u wanna give to support a ministry, the poor, or sowin n reapin'. But im sure as givin alms is different from supportin the ministry avtivities so is tithe. As we have different kinds of prayers so also we hav different types of givin'.

7. I do not object to teaching of tithing as a guide for giving, but it must never be construed as God's mandatory instruction to Christians.

Neither do i, and i'v said it over and over, it aint a LAW, it aint by force. Just like it's ot a LAW to pray or fast, or speak i tongues ad othet things.
Lemme quote ma P again, as NTS u r in relationship with Jesus, u have the bible, waeva u wanna do, by all means do, but u will be help accountable for waeva decisions u make.
Im out.


oNe

Pastor AIO:

Mister man, I have not insulted anybody.  Not yet.  Far from it, I actually defended his intelligence by insisting that he[b] cannot[/b] be as dim-witted as he is trying so hard to portray himself.  DBR (taking the baton from Image123) came in here throwing insults left right and center.  It seems that throwing insults about is something that they learn in penterascal churches as they all seem to do it. 

Oh really? u havnt, some pages away even b4 i joined u already called sm1's post MOR.ONIC.
I guss that's compliment in your own twisted mind, right?
tryin to be pure is too late, we've seen u in action already. . and u must think pple on dis thread are silly and
cant decipher wat u meant by your statement. . .defendin my intelligence indeed. U shud yry to be intelligent
and stop botherin' urself defendin mine.
Callin pple Pentirascal, rogues, scam fraud, is compliment, wonder where u learnt urs.
U got just a tinny winny bit of wat u did to others and u weepin? hehehe, lol

We are talking about fraud and this guy brings in the argument that no one is being forced.  Even using the silly image of being forced at gun-point to the groin.   

No, we are not talkin bout fraud, we talkin bout TITHE, is u and your cohort that said tithe is a scam, a fraud. .fraud wasnt the topic.
And yes, i said groin, so what?? Holier than thou. It wuldda been better if u were even a bit knowledgable wit the attitude.
GROIN mean: the area between the abdomen and the thigh on eit[b]her side of the body.

also the region of the focal places.
Pls where did the silly image come in?. . .oh, the focal place part. .U have a problem with that? sorwwwyy, lol.

This is what your partner said:

@DBR
New testament believers are not required to pay tithe in any form. Tithing is not part of the christian faith taught by christ and handed down to us by the apostles. [/b]Titheing was first smuggled into the church in the year 585 AD well over 500 years after christianity was established. I suggest you do some independent research of this false doctrine devoid of your church leadership who would obviously be biased.

Now that is a major, and ma latter part of the talk has rested on that.
Cos if u say Jesus neva taught Tithe, that it was smuggled into the church. .
that means it's a fraud and a scam truly, but if Jesus did talk bout it,
then it mean u accusin him as being the main protagonist CEO of the scam empire. .the criminal organisation as y'all called it.
Then i showed u scriptures that shows Jesus not only mentioned it but told pple to continue with it.
So wat does that make of your blind argument? Obviously u kno nothin bout wat u defendin'.
But of course u changed tune with:

I never said anything about Jesus talking about tithe, and no one else here lied that Jesus never spoke about tithe.  We all know that he talked about tithed when he was addressing the pharisees. . . . 

Arnt u appalled by the stench of your memory degeneration?

Tithing as instructed to the Jews in the bible is not a scam, far from it, but a solid religious principle.  Tithing as taught to penterascals by penterascal rogues of preachers is a scam.  Do you get the difference?  There are no parallels, no similarities, no connection between the biblical tithe and the penterascal tithe.

Blah blah blah. . .pentirascal, pentirascal rogues. . scam. Dude u are eaten up.
Ok, lemme even ask which do u belong to since i notice now that it's penticostal u renamin'?

This whole thread started with someone asking what the connection was between the penterascal tithe and the tithe in deuteronomy.  Thus far, no one has answered that question from the penterascal viewpoin

if u paid any dot of attention, u'l see the question has been aswered siiiiiiiince. Even the poster thanked CONFFETTI,
and ple hav refered u to it, but because u hav a different agenda and u keep shiftin issues. . from private jet, to edifices, to burnt offerin' to Madoff
sure u missed it.

DBR is a liar, an evil distorter of truth and someone who either can't or won't follow a simple argument.  An idio.t even.  Either an idio.t on account of not being able to understand the bible, or an idio't on account of understanding it but thinking he is clever enough to twist it and get away with it as if God is not watching.  The second makes him an even bigger ideiot. 

Bravo. . .go on,but pls show the house the LIE i'v told, truth i'v distorted.
U are only good at labellin' as if that will make u sound smart, sorrrwyyy. . .no luck. U still shootin blanks.

imagine lumping his churches tithes and pastors together in one sentence with Jesus and the bible.Can you imagine this?!! 

your ignorance will amaze even an autistic retard, really.
Lemme help u; JESUS who is the head of the CHURCH where PASTORS recieved gift to oversee talked bout TITHE in the BIBLE.
U see how it sits well?
It's your attempt and piety that makes u think its an ecclesiastical sacrilege to mention them in a line.They all scriptural words.
Now if u hav a problem understandin this little stuff it xplain your mentally handicap nature of comprehendin deeper stuff.

And finally he confesses that he is a scammer and challenges me to do whatever I can do about it.  It's not me that is going to deal with you.  It is God.  You just enjoy your scam while it lasts. 

Later u'l tell be bout 10yrs old ability to understand?
Im sure u'l do well as a sit down comedian, cos u aint even a stand up kinda guy.
Y r u like this? y d'yu delight in reasonin like a retard?

This is more than a matter of viewpoint.  There is nothing in common between the likes of DBR and myself. 
Yeah, keep the word christian.  I dash you.

Shuuush, i said that b4 pls dont echoe me in an attempt to sound smart.
And yea, i keep the christian tag, u too keep your Pastor labell.
If i left out any of your quote it's either the'v been anwered, or they plain dumb.
And b4 u get xcited it's not that these ones i responded too had any spark of brilliance in them
b4 u start thinkin u not so ignorant afterall. .
Now jump on your keypad and start your pentirascal . .rogue , scam. .
Go ahead knock urself out.

oNe

Alwaystrue:

Guys,
Take it easy.
DBR, AIO and all, we do not need to go to this level.
We have different view points and as such this should not lead to hurling insults at each other.
Our having divergent views should not lead to mudslinging.
Peace,

OUR? Dont be decieived, these dudes arent Christians.
U think he's sayin all the trash he's sayin becos he has a divergent view?
Forget the PASTOR before the AIO. Cos if this character
actually pastors a church the body of christ is in trouble.
Mudslinging? He's d one mudslingin'
im just slingin' mud at mud,which is not too bad an idea,
it's simply puttin it where it belongs . . his likes polute the system
they are not needed or shud be left to thrive.
I'l go at anybody who has the effrontery to mudsling jesus or the bible witout battin an eyelid.

oNe

Pastor AIO:

Bingo!! I'm saying that the tithe you're collecting in your church, and the one that that Image123 cannot specify exactly which one he is collecting, is a SCAM.
Why does this seem like such a sudden revelation to you? You can't be that dim-witted. That is what I and others have been saying since.

LOL. . What a clown. . it's not only bingo, it's scubbydoo!
Tryin to distort e'rthin to fit ur disturbed bitter mind. . .i feel so sorry for u.
The ony sudden revelation is that u are here to show how asinine u can be.
It cant be that u r dumb by default, i guess u gettin a kick from being a mental slowpoke.

Ok, it's a scam, go n call the police. . Navy, airforce. .army. . Waeva make u sleep well at night.

oNe

Alwaystrue:

@DBR,
Tithing should not even be something we should argue about. There are lots of things in Christianity that we might not understand because we understand in parts and from time to time it dawns on us as we read the word of God.
Giving is key in Christianity no matter how we look at it and whichever form.
In the time of Paul, they sold their lands and houses and brought to the apostles feet and this importance cannot even be over-empasized when we look at the story of Ananais and Saphira and what befell them because of giving.
Giving 10% then should not be an issue if that is what the church requests. That is why we should go to bible-believing churches.
Let us all live our lives at the instance of the Holy Spirit. Then we will realise most of what we do, argue about are even all mundane.
May God help us all.
Cheers.


The Just shall live by faith.

I've said that much, but they are hard of hearing. .well because they have a different agenda rather than learning.
They keep goin in circles wit shiftin the base of discussion . . if i can still call it that.
I can imagine if t'was in a nigerian church that the Ananias saga happend. . .
They'l tell u y the pastor doent care bout the poor and he's evil and wicked to have
allowed death on some1 who volunteered to sell his PERSONAL property.

Thanks, Always true.

oNe

Pastor AIO:

I'm sick of this lame excuse.  Did Bernard Madoff force anybody to invest in his scheme?  Yet he is still in prison, rightly.  Why are the other scammers not with him.  

PASTORAIO,
urs is a classical example of Agent of evil disguised as angel of light, pastor indeed.
Y'all lyin that Jesus neva talked bout Tithe, or that pple shud do it.
Beta study to show urself approved b4 comin here to spew garbage i order to pollute pples mind.
Wats ma business with Madoff? Did he ask for ma tithe or anybody's?
He said to invest in a scheme. . which was a scam.
Except u sayin tithe is a scam, and Jesus askin us to continue tithing is promoting scam.
U dont seem to know the implication of ur commentaries o the matter.
Bringin stu.pid analogies to discredit the bible,Tithe,Pastors, and Jesus will take u no where. .

Simple mata, i'l keep poundin it, not for u to hear but for innocent pple who are seekin truth;
Tithe is not A LAW or an act under the LAW.
Tithe is not Old testament issue.
Jesus says to CONTINUE to tithe even in new testament.
If Jesus says to do sth, is it wrong to ask pple to do it?
And dont come back with the lame. ."it's the way they go about it" and wat they do with it.
10% percent and u havin high BP, if u now sell ur land and houses wat will happen?. . .lol

Oga PASTOR, Take ur eyes off "pastors", . when u give to anybody in response to an instruction from God,
it is God u have the transaction with, not with man. u wil get rid of the poison in ur heart if
u do that rather than kill urself over private jet, of good lookin structures.
Keep ur side of it, and believe God to do wat he says He'l do.

If u cant do any of it, get out of church, there are hundreds of religion out there, go pick one.

oNe

Alwaystrue:

@DBR,
Most don't even go to church and some have become so pious that they cannot stand the church. Some even say they want to leave 'institutionalised' church as they call it. Most quote scriptures against you while saying they hold the truth. Self-righteouness is the way I see it.
Discussing with them will get you know where. The topic is overflogged.
All, do as you seem is right and don't condemn others who don't follow your pratice.
YOU ARE NOT GOD! Let Him Judge.

I know, see i dont usually come here{religious section} cos i kno it's full with ignorant
bearers of foolish tales. Pple who are all beta than their pastor, and holier than Jesus.
But it's their hypocracy that is so hilarious. They dont pay tithe yet they here menstrating
over pple who pay. I just stumbled on this and decided to even tryna reason wit them.
I assure u, they are not Christian cos their acts and mindset, plus intention is evil.

They confuse pple who are still tryna find a balance wit their gaulible assertions.
Most pple they talk wit here just let them be, but hey. . .i dont easily let sm1 continues
displayin ignorance.

oNe

mceeluther:

New fixture

O4kaa Vs DBR

Fixture??
i say walkover.

oNe

kzmoney:

@DBR. I have been following this thread and I can see your argument is baseless without facts, Other guys have quoted from the bible to backup their argument. Moreover, this Tithe were talking about is no where in the new Testament. It's only in the Old Testament you can find tithe Deuteronomy 14:21-27. Please see  Galatians 3: 10-13. You will not even follow Mosaic or Abrahamic laws according to Apostle Paul. Open your mind and use your God given common sense and know what is right. Charity giving is good but not a compulsory contribution like tithe. What are the big named Pastors doing with a private Jet. DBR i need an answer from you.

In comes another joker. . or an old one with new moniker. .LOL
Y'all just keep changin both the referee and the goal post.
Now ur problem is with Private jet? How many of them have it?
And if all pastors have it, how is it ur business, did they force u to pay for it??
Or is it YOUR tithe that they used in buyin it, right?. .oh, u dont even pay it, so wat is ur problem?

1st it's that Jesus didnt say anythin bout Tithe, i show u scriptures now the issue is, it's a different type of tithe.
Mosaic law, or Abrahamic law. . .we'v said it over and over NTS aint under the law.
it's obvious u r confused bout the facts i'v given and dont even know watchu talkin bout.
We'v said over and over that Tithing started before the LAW, wat part of that dont u get?

Im not quotin scriptures?? i dont need to when i have the understandin'.
U r all about the LETTERS of it, and u'v been quotin outta contex.
Does that validate ur Quotes?, even the devil quotes scriptures.
Jesus has said continue to tithe, but no, it's not enuff for u.
U are sayin No, its for OT. Becos of Jet, LOL
I guess ur d one that inspired the bible, or u know it more than Jesus.

oNe

kokoye:

Is this the same thread I started??

Yes it is. I wanna believe u had good intentions when u started it.
Coffetti has given a good answer.
I want to guess i have also. . .if u really seekin to know.
Pls refer to COFFETTI's post.
i guess u cld see a few things in ma posts too, and many who understand tithing.

oNe

Image123:

OH BOY E!
I don't think mostof the phobics go to church, they sound more like rosicrucians or the like to me, out here to deceive the gullible.
P.S, stop adding lol to your posts, they're not finding it funny at all.

I suspect they aint even christians, i dont kno how u call urself a chrisitian and all
wat proceed out of ur mouth is negativity about where u claim u belong to, this is not politics, it's Church.
They come disguised as the ones havin the TRUTH, because the pastors are all in error.
Y not become a pastor urselves then?
I'l keep laffin, cos thats was i too when im too disgusted to be angry by childish ignorant utterances that has no proper positive tot in them.
It's all as if thier motto is "i must act dumb ,deny the truth even tho it stares me in the eye, anythin to win an argument"
It's suppose to be a discussion, not an argument as they alway turn it to be.

U dont wanna pay tithe fine, get out of the place where they preach it, and stop weeping like a child whose toy is siezed!
Afterall if ur boss is givin u hell, u hav an option of resignation, if ur employee is actin fraudulent u also hav an option to sack him.
No be by force.

oNe

Zikkyy:

Good, your vision appeared to be kinda blurred at the time; it might explain your response to other people’s posts.
I see Kunle has addressed some of your issues.
We all agree that tithing is personnel. Tithe before the law was personal and the purpose ties in with your post above. No problem here.

Valid if only there's any part i quoted u as sayin sth u didnt type, otherwiseu just throwin cheap tantrums,
and i'v answered waeva u sayin kunle asked, im sure he knos beta now, morover y'all are the ones havin issues not be, next?

I asked a question earlier, what’s wrong with a simple offering that takes care of the church expenditure? Tithe before the law was not used to pay church expenses (pastor’s bills, workers salary e.t.c.).  Purpose of tithe after the law was clearly specified; and it was not meant for paying church bills. Christ never taught tithing (you did note this somewhere), the apostles never taught tithing, New Testament believers were never taught/and told to tithe; the ministry was financed without tithing. You know more than Christ and the early apostles abi? How exactly should tithe be preached? Pastor’s should teach false scriptures in their attempt to make the congregation cough out more money to finance church business abi?  

U truly humour me maybe because i feel u talkin ignorant deliberately.
If u do not understand the progression of thing and how principle in the bible is used in todays world, im shocked.
Ok, u said b4 the law tithe wasnt meant for the church expenses. . b4 the law u said, pls tell the house wat tithe was used
for b4 the Law.
And stop speakin blasphelmy here, who say Jesus didnt teach tithe. your denial of truth to make a point amazes me.
pls in clear terms tell me what this passage says:

"Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.[/i]NIV

New Living Translation
[i]"What sorrow awaits you Pharisees! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore justice and the love of God. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

So Mr holier than tho, who is acting like he knows more than Jesus now.
U wont read your bible with open mind, and u'l be makin the folly of your ignorance public witout any sense of shame.
Or is jesus in on the fraud too? Or was it me talkin in the passage above?

I would have agreed with you ab initio but I find embedded in your posts statements that contradict your position, and that is what I highlight. I am sorry but you don’t appear to be who you say you are. If you are not happy people criticize pastors for lying to the flock, too bad.

I only feel bad for your ignorance. Talk bout pple perishin witout the requisite knowledge.
Also i feel bad cos u'v not only criticised pastors and churches [which u r a part of]but
also criticized and accused Jesus of teachin' fraud by your ungaurded words.

Im not who u think i am, yes, u tot im a Pastor, too bad for u, im not.
Cos u feelit's only pastor who support tithing.
Before u even start sayin rubbish, go sell your house and land and share with your younger brothet 1st
b4 u start talkin like u really care bout the poor. Pointin at pastor, while u have a whole mahogany in your eyes. . such spiritual arrogance!
All your arguement just crashed right b4 u and the house here.

But as usual, im expectin another corny and tactless maneuvre out of the truth u just read.


oNe

KunleOshob:

No one has said it is not valid, the truth is that you used that verse to convert it to money out of context to achieve a dubious objective. I have addressed the circumstances under which they were asked to convert it to money and what the money was meant to be used for[which is totally different from the fraud being preached today] so stop trying to be clever by half.

Ok BishopKunleOshob,
next time if eva u want to pay ur tithe. . .personally and willingly,
if u work as a pilot, or fuel attendant, oreven if u a farmer and u have a poultry or u sell cars, or a doctor, or lawyer or travel ticket
pls, bring the tithe of the actual job u do, ok.
If the the pRINCIPLE seen in d scriptures that u can convert to cash doesnt make sense, then come back to me. . so hilarious.
It's not bout being clever, comon sensejust solves some of the flimsy excuses y'all usin to attack pastors.

Mnwhile no one is forcin u to even go to churchin the 1st place. If u feel this bitter bout the pastors, y go to church at all.
After all in ur language. .ur salvation too is personal, y not just stay away if it's eatin u up.
PPle who believe in payin tithe aint complainin .

oNe

@KunleOshob

The below explains how church offerings by the apostles was utilized

Acts 4:32-35:
32 All the believers were united in heart and mind. And they felt that what they owned was not their own, so they shared everything they had. 33 The apostles testified powerfully to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and God’s great blessing was upon them all. 34 There were no needy people among them, because those who owned land or houses would sell them 35 and bring the money to the apostles to give to those in need.

Remember i mentioned this few pages back.Thatthey shared a common purse.
ok, check it: it says THE BELIEVERS, that's sm1 like u. and the they . . they . .all reference to the christians, NOT the Pastors.
They shared e'rthin i common. . Most y'all cant even share a common account with ur wives. . lol
but you pple are here shouting pastor this pastor that church this, church that.
They sold houses and Lands,  . .But here y'all bickerin over 10% . . lol . .
Truly its those who do the least that shout the loudest.

The one below explains what thinks about you so called church collections, buildings and edifice

Acts 17:24-25:
24 “He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since he is Lord of heaven and earth, he doesn’t live in man-made temples, 25 and human hands can’t serve his needs—for he has no needs. He himself gives life and breath to everything, and he satisfies every need.

Knowledge . . .
I'll say it again, neva quote/xplain a text out of context.
The context of that verse is in the previous verses.
Paul was in a gentile nation, and they have the inscription TO THE UNKNOWN GOD
on there temple. . .he saw it as an opportunity to open the conversation of the gospel.
And he declared that it is that unknown God that he's preachin, that he doesnt live in that
temple, that he made the heaven and the earth so He is not RESTRICTED to the temple they'v built.
Ma friend, this has nothin to do with building good lookin churches naauww.
Wuld u prefer an ugly lookin center, while u hav all d luxury in ur house, but when u go to church u prefer less??
As if poverty is next to Godliness. . all these talks is y'all just actiing pious.

oNe