₦airaland Forum

Obiagu1:
. . . and they expect rational Igbos to vote for Jonathan?
Someone has to blow my brains off and still can't get me to vote for GEJ. It'll never happen.

I am not worried about the clearly identified enemies of the Ndigbo but concerned about political nonentities among the Ndigbo. The disgusting aspect is trying to preach to us to forget about the Nigeria/Baifra war while the enemies invoke it to satisfy their political aims.

Beaf:
Sadly, you are talking crap again. 

What part did people from my area play in the war apart from getting invaded by both Biafra and the federal govt? People like you simply sit down, conjure up history and talk absolute bullocks.
Your micro brain broadcasts the falsehood that every SS ethnic group is the same and they somehow betrayed Biafra, cos the only way tribalistic fools like you can exist is by manufacturing history. The Nazi's polished the tricks of false history, and by studying them, we know where to look even before you turn the next ugly corner.

Who had an agreement with you? Neither Biafra nor Nigeria invited us to any meetings before both invading us, but now you sit down there pissing through your mouth, cos your brain is all the way up your arse.

Dude, walk into a bin and close the lid!

I have followed most of your arguments on this board and it will be proper if you maintain your judicious approach to the issues as you have done for a long time and stay away from unwarranted sentiments surrounding GEJ.

I am sure you are not Ijo and probably be an Urhobo or Isoko. The statement about your people being invaded by Biafra or Nigeria is utterly disingenuous. The last time I checked though, there was no country beside Nigeria and Biafra that existed in the former Royal Niger Protectorates. It is very misleading to write that your people, whom I guess, were Nigerians yet invaded by Nigerian army with commanders drawn from Urhobo or Isoko.

Biafra fought Nigeria for what also belonged to the former while Nigeria was fighting to keep its belongings intact.

sbeezy8:
hey guys im back and guess what I dont believe yorubas need to do anything different.

If any person believes Awo was a triablist na your own fuckin problem- I can careless really because yorubas in general dont care two shitz about what happen in the civil war or who caused it- they respect Awo for his time as head of the West. POINT BLANK.
If any thinks fajuyi is a hero na your own bloody problem- doesnt matter and hes TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO MODERN NIGERIA.

and igbos should keep using the same old " wait for the north to handover to igbo" as they did pre civil war.
Become "2nd" or vice president to a fulani- hausa doesnt really matter.

Do you not think only a moronic scoundrel will fight a war and yet not care about what happened during and caused the war? What a heavy-handed indictment of ethnic nationality.

[quote author=Aloy+Emeka link=topic=512486.msg6747143#msg6747143 date=1284399983]Why should someone deny the obvious just to create an argument.

FACT: Fajuyi was a selfless man who defended Aguiyi Ironsi with his own life even though the man was Igbo. If Igbos don't like this fact, let them go fucc themselves.

FACT: Awolowo was a shameless tribalist who betrayed Igbos because of his ulterior motive thereby creating a cold war between the two ethnic groups which may take centuries to overcome. There is no honor in betrayal and if Yorubas can overlook the piece of bread he gave them and understand that Awo was the African Hitler, let them also join the Igbos and fucc themselves.

Enough of concocting lies to cover factual issues concerning the present generation. Any Igbo who continues to bad mouth Fajuyi is a fool and any Yoruba who continues to feign ignorance about Awo's evil can continue living in denial.[/quote]Any Igbo man who could not discern propaganda as a fictional conjecture is a bigger fool.

I met with Flight Lieutenant Arthur Nwankwo while residing in Lagos about 1979 and he explained the picture of what transpired in Ibadan on the night of July 29, 1966. He unequivocally said there was no time for negotiation and nobody offered to die with anybody as western Nigeria regional government publication of 1967 claimed later.

Please before you engage in the act of insulting any Igbo man, I suggest you read up.


Before you engage in your idiotic and abusive trend, please educate me about what you know about Nwankwo, Walbe, Bello, Umar, Njoku, Onoja and Danjuma.

It is only an irredeemable fool will insinuate Fajuyi died while defending Ironsi. May I ask as whom and in what capacity? I guess Fajuyi was a mere platoon commander who came to rescue Ironsi and eventually dead in gun battle with coup plotters. In fact, ignorance is bliss.

Abagworo:
I think the Igbos and yorubas should hold a meeting to bury the hatchet of rivalry and form the most formidable force in Africa.

Awolowo might have betrayed Igbos but Fajuyi remains my hero and we should forgive for Fajuyi's sake.

I hope you have not sunk your teeth into the apparent nonsensical and unfounded propaganda that Fajuyi offered or volunteered to die with Ironsi. Pal, please do not tell me the shameful feeler generated by the Western Nigerian Government publication of 1967 has secured a place in your mind.

Even irredeemable dunce knows coup plotters do not offer option of death or life to would-be targets. The publication was classical mode of treachery that has trailed the region till this day. Every witness to the event in Ibadan including Nwankwo, Walbe, Bello, Umar and Njoku has rubbished such goofy claim as unimaginable falsehood.

Aigbofa:
Who cares about what a nonentity like you thinks. Like really!!

You write like a person who is inflicted with incurable decease.

Solomon227:
I agree with u and I also think the present Head of state too is entitled to rig out the 'then Head of states' from 2011 contest. Talking about viciuos cycle.

I think presently, Nigeria has a democratically elected president not a Head of State.
Are you sure the blind support you seem to render GEJ is not blurring your sense of judgment? I think in these scenarios, the aforementioned Head of State was dictatorial while the President is democratically elected. Anyway, you could be sagaciously factual because a person who intends to flout his party’s constitution can equally rig election. Nigeria is really a jungle.

I have always feel Nigeria is a dysfunctional entity. Edwin Clarke does not draw my anger due to his political shenanigans but those who support his shameful political grandstanding. The worst culprits in support of the nonsensical nomenclature such Niger Delta are moronic individuals who hail from outside the region. Niger Delta is not exclusive entity of Ijo and Edwin Clarke should not arrogate the leadership of the region to himself. I shall not give a rat-asre if he is crowned the paramount leader of Ijo. He should stop parading himself as the leader of Niger Delta.

Aigbofa:
Once a monkey, always a monkey. Do you really believe people around here are as stupi.d as you are.
Tell me Zik did not write those spiteful words. You demented ibo dreg.

What a demented monkey. If I call you a monkey, it will amount to a compliment because monkey can learn quickly.

Every sentence accredited to Zik in the spiteful article was true. It is only in the land of dunces where factual facts become subjects of bigotry. You are simply a waste of human posterity.

Onlytruth:
I have handled this issue before and I will restate my position.
Breaches of agreements have played critical roles in most of Nigeria's crisis. The north and their yoruba allies trashed the Aburi Accord in 1967 and that led to war.
IBB annulled Abiola's victory after promising to hand over to the winner of the 1993 elections. That decision created a crisis.
It is unfortunate, but the north has enjoyed most of the breach of agreements through the years. It would seem a good idea to give them a little dose of their own betrayal and treachery.

My concern now is how to secure Igbo interests in Nigeria.

That is why Ohanaeze's guidance is pivotal.

You are spot on with the breaches of agreements in Nigeria. We must look beyond the northern region on this issue. The northern region of Nigeria could not have breached 1967 Aburi accord without the backing of mid-western and western regions.

I do not think the annulment of June12, 1993 election was breach of agreement but discretionary undertaking by the Head of State. Also, I think the Head of State was entitled to such decision.

Andre Uweh:
Individuals do not affiliate to Ohanaeze but LGA and states. Assuming you are from Mbaitolu or Ikeduru, the delegate from your LGA and State represents you in Ohanaeze.
Nevertherless, you can still vote conntrary to their wishes.
But believe me their resolution counts a lot at this time of uncertainty.

As usual, you have rendered clarification. However, I am of the view we must try very hard to shield cultural organization such Ohanaeze from dirty and do-or-die Nigerian polity. If the membership in Ohanaeze is patterned towards State and LGA, there are States and LGAs that could not fit into the pattern you described.

chyz:
O ok,  i hear you.you wouldnt support him based on the lack of honor,thats fair enough. IBB is also running under the PDP camp.He is from the north,however he is from the middle belt.The statutory code as far as rotation goes is by zone. The presidency is zone to the NW. The PDP is yet to provide a candidate from that zone and they dont intend to. With that being said, IBB is also breaking the PDP code. Neither of them is righter than the other. IBB should not get your vote either if it is based on people who flout statutory codes. We all know its too late for Ribadu,he would have been a good choice.

Bros, I have nothing against Ohanaeze but heard it is strictly regulated by membership clause. Does it mean any Igbo person is a member?  If membership clause exists in Ohanaeze which to my knowledge I am not a member and do not contribute to its deliberations, how could it dictate to me which candidate to cast my vote?


I am not privy to PDP constitution or a member of any of the party’s working committee. However, I have been resourcefully informed that 7-2 C deals with rotation of the office of Nigerian president between south and north of the country.

Aigbofa:
It means you are dumber than I thought. Simply put.

I now realize cold fact brings out the true character of demented nincompoop such as you. It was the dunce in you who posted a spiteful article about Zik and disgracefully succumbs to the weight of defending it. 

You are several rungs below the basic skill of human being.

chyz:
Please do take offense, but its Igbos like you who always eff it up for the masses and have us looking like fools across nigeria.what is wrong with moving as one full front? U ask why we should wait for Ohanaeze Ndi Igbo to dictate which candidate we should go for, one thing you have to understand is that they have access to information that we dont.another thing is they are the ones who have face to face discussions with these people.Also, As u can see by whats been going on for the past months, Igbo forums/groups have been claiming the SE is for GEJ while others are saying the SE is for IBB. Theres no clear stand for Igbos when going down that route. It serves us better to have one group that everybody will know when they speak it is the real deal.

It serves us no good for you to campaign against the decision they make. Put away you sentiments and remember its not about you or your feelings,its about your people.

Bros, I shall not take offence since I assumed you understand that the discuss is about democracy. Ohanaeze can mount a campaign foray for a particular candidate but it can not control my vote. I have repeatedly made it clear I shall neither vote for GEJ nor aide his campaign efforts if he runs for 2011 Nigerian presidential election under PDP banner. 

I hate anybody who flouts any statutory code.

Aigbofa:
You are completely paranoid and probably schizophrenic as well. Why am I even having this discussion with a clearly demented fellow like you. "you are not only politically naïveté " Like what the f.cuk is that?
Bloody slowpoke. Why don't you just address what I put in front of you, if you have any answers, rather than using words you don't understand!!

It means you are politically moronic and your stream of thought exudes dementia.

Why must Ndigbo wait for Ohanaeze Ndi Igbo, the umbrella of the cultural organization of Igbo group, to dictate which candidate to support during 2011 Nigerian presidential election?

I shall not vote for GEJ and definitely campaign against him if he runs as PDP flag bearer. It is politically unfathomable to support someone who can not observe his/her party’s protocol and still wishes to become executive leader in a democratic setting.

If GEJ flouts section 7-2 C of PDP constitution, what stops him from making mess of Nigerian constitution?

fxmaxony:
Though dokpesi is entitled to his opinion, just like IBB, to all who cares to know PDP constitution is not Supreme to The Constitution of federal republic of Nigeria.

Why are people celebrating and discussing PDP constitution as if It is the Constitution of federal republic of Nigerian?.

To my dear Dokpesi,

There is no vacancy in Aso rock  "Nigerians are waiting for a share of the Stolen money from IBB" add the sharing schedule in Your campaign statement please.

I do not know if you are a legal practitioner or layman just like me but issue here is not about the superiority of PDP constitution or the Constitution of Federal Republic of Nigeria. Even for this matter in discuss, Nigerian constitution has delimitations. I think Nigerian constitution stipulated that a person must be of certain age and a MEMBER of a registered POLITICAL PARTY with national spread to contest.

If PDP kicks GEJ out of the party for anti-party activities which includes flouting the party’s constitution, this is when Nigerian constitution is invoked to search if GEJ’s constitutional rights have been violated.

Aigbofa:
The report in which Zik was reffered to as a demagogue was written well after independence. So what you are saying is; When the real colonial masters have already left, TIME magazine ( An American magazine) continued to wage a propaganda war against Zik!! Simply ingenious.

These statements proved you are not only politically naïveté but historically a backbench warmer. I guess it will be proper to draw more conjectural thoughts out of you through this rant. If you ever think that the mode of colonialism ended the day your forbearers were offered a cup tea during the deceptive Independence Day fanfare, you need a sustainable medical attention.

@Physics

I appreciate some of your write-ups but please I beg of you not remotely mention Nigeria and USA in the same sentence.

How can I obey simple traffic regulation in Nigeria when the so-called Chief Executive of Nigeria flouted his party’s constitution, the statutory protocol that saw him into the corridor of power?

As of now, I am not blaming GEJ alone but cross section of Nigerian society that seemed to support him in despoiling the code of conduct.

Anybody who knows Nigeria, its history and still insists the disintegration of the colonial contraption is not the best option for about 150 million inhabitants remains condescendingly disingenuous.

It will amount to self-deprecation and foolhardy for a right-thinking so-called Nigerian to look elsewhere for an enemy. The enemy is abound and identifiable within the confine of Nigeria.

There is no good governor in Nigeria. They are all products of a delinquent society formed in a jungle called Nigeria. Any governor of a state in Nigeria rated as best or even good by the pundits on nairaland is a sycophantic junk. Most nairalnad contributors are driven by unfounded sentiments and blinded by ethnicity.

The alleged reply to Dokpesi rant by Ima Niboro, the Special Adviser, Media and Publicity, to President Goodluck E Jonathan is very un-presidential, lame in texture and uncharacteristic of a democratic leader.

I had expected these educated Nigerians to claim the useless sands found in Niger Delta as products of the so-called region. If by stroke of chance somebody comes up with idea of converting the useless sands into gold, the senile and loudmouthed junks such as Edwin Clarke will mount the podium preaching the need to handover presidency of the jungle to an Ijo. What a despicable loser.

Katsumoto:
Disintegration will not improve the lives of people if they do not change. If Nigerians remain who they are, they will not better for it, if Nigeria disintegrates in two, three, five, or 250 different countries. The white man may have created Nigeria but the white man did not make us evil, greedy, subservient to uneducated crooks, over-educated or lazy.

Of course mere disintegration may not improve the lives of people if they do not change but it certainly will usher change. Ironically, the only thing that remains constant in the universe is “change”.

Katsumoto:
Give it a rest will you. Every man is entitled to an opinion but fortunately and unfortunately, your opinion can not change history.

Pal!! You know as much I as do, there is a difference between knee-jerk jobs and recorded events. I bet painting Zik as a demagogue by colonialist’s bullhorn such as TIME Magazine is certainly not a history.

Aigbofa:
The only problem was, Zik was using the West African Pilot to wage a propaganda war against fellow Nigerians not colonialism. And it wasn't difficult for foreign publications to see it for what it was. Demagoguery.

Are you for real? Do you reasonably think colonial masters would have given a hoot if Awo and Zik were tearing each other into shreds?

Yes, Zik was a demagogue because he employed scholarly erudition and oratorical skills to dazzle and harass colonial masters.

olas2u:
Text book analyst,am not from the delta,but from southwest Nigeria,we also share our VAT with people that dont want anything to do with beweries.The oil majors all pay taxes in Nigeria and the formular for sharing with NNPC is 40 -60,Are you saying that it was good that ,they did not develop the delta,if they developed the place ,nobody will be talking about all this today.Are you saying the development of abuja with the oil money and the underdevelopment is good.Have you gone to NNPC headquaters to see hausa speaking people all over the place ,is that a fair system,That is why NNPC cannot compete with is pairs like petrobraz of brazil,gasprom of russia and many more.There favoristism,Nepotism,sectionalization and an unfair system that as brought underdevelopment to our country.

Be honest to yourself by taking the ax grinding to your fathers, brothers, uncles, nephews, nieces and aunts. The issues you have stumbled onto now were exact issues eastern region of Nigeria stood up in 1966. Instead of allying with the eastern region for its stand on fairness, majority of southerners joined the northern region to declare war of attrition on easterners for delusional One-Nigeria.

I shall never visit Nigeria with any sense of social decorum because such sense was murdered in 1966.

Aigbofa:
Are we talking about the same Zik that was seen even by TIME Magazine to be a demagogue?

It was a different time, I admit. But it gave a huge insight into how his mind worked, and it was ugly, just like Komando's

Yes!!!!!!!!!! The same Zik of Africa who stood up and won the war of pen propaganda with West African Pilot against the colonial led Time Magazine. I am tempted to say you are a fool if you believed that TIME Magazine would sing praise about an African who knocked them out in literary propaganda during the colonial era.

ziddy:
Point of correction, Awo never stowed. Zik did, to Morehouse. Please dont ever mention Awo and coward Zik in the same breath again. Never again.

Before you get drunk to the goofy ideas about Awolowo’s personal achievements, I must remind you not to mention government of western region of Nigeria. I have managed to enumerate few Zik’s personal achievements without evoking either western regional or eastern regional government of Nigeria.

I have always appreciated the personal fortitude of Awolowo who performed all kinds of menial jobs imaginable in order to eke out a living in South London.  Please do not mention the one room apartment law office chamber as personal achievement

Let me make it abundantly clear that baring the sense of goodwill in human, the youths from certain areas of the so-called Niger Delta will end up in Atlantic Ocean probably begging benevolent spirit for shield against the brunt of Nigerian military might.

Aigbofa:
Imagine what the headline would have been in iboland! The following article was written by the man who wanted to be prime minister of Western Region, as far back as 1940. And some people will come here to lecture us about who introduced tribalism to politics in Nigeria.


An excerpt from Awos biography.

An article written by Zik himself, published on the front page of the Pilot, and entitled: "'Football Iliad, 1940 Edition'", shocked many people. It was a big step forward in an insidious campaign which had gone on for more than two years on the pages of the Pilot. A football team composed of students of the Christ the King's College, Onitsha, came to Lagos to play a 'Win the War' football match against St Gregory's College. The CKC team from Onitsha defeated St Gregory's team by 5 goals to 4. To the ordinary man in the street, let alone the highly sophisticated elements, there was nothing extraordinary or unusual in one school or college defeating another in a game of soccer. But not so with Dr Azikiwe. He saw in the sporting exploits and triumph of the team from Onitsha the inherent superiority of the easterners over their opponents, and he went to very great pains to establish this fact, by means of careful choice of words and emphasis. These extracts from the article are relevant: And then to think of the great combination of the Spartan heroes who crossed the lordly Niger, journeyed through the good earth of Benin, hurried across the domains of the Oshemawe of Ondo, of the Atanla of Owo, of the Owa of Ilesha, of the Oni of Ife, of the Alake of Abeokuta in their invasion of these islands!
Who, but heroes of mighty brawn and exceptionally developed brain would have dared to make this invasion and to succeed in carrying to their River Niger home, the Golden Fleece of InterCollegiate Soccer Championship of the Eastern and Western Provinces?
Yet they came to Lagos, they saw the irresistible defence put up by their opponents, and they conquered impressively, convincingly, and were graceful even in victory!
Could their achievement be paralleled?
Would it not be better for me to leave the answer to the laps of the gods?

On 24 August 1940, however, the same CKC team played in Ibadan against the Olubadan XI in another 'Win the War' match. The CKC were beaten 3-2 by the Olubadan XI which were an undiluted Yoruba team. Apart from sending the news to the Daily service myself, I also saw to it that it was wired to the Pilot. It was after there had been clamours in the Daily service, in form of letters to the editor, that the news of this Ibadan match was published some two weeks later in the Pilot. Even then, it was a small item on the back page, and it was explained in it that the CKC team were already tired and that some of them were in fact limping, before they went into the field against Olubadan XI. This was of course untrue.
I said before that the CKC episode was a big step forward in an insidious campaign which had gone on for more than two years on the pages of the Pilot. One or two more instances will be given. By the time the Pilot had published for a year, an important feature of the paper had become manifest. The Igbos in particular were given inordinate publicity on the pages of the paper. Perhaps this was as it should be. The Igbo had never had a share in newspaper publicity before the advent of the Pilot. But equally so, no Yoruba man of the class of the Igbos publicised in the Pilot ever had a share of publicity in any paper either. In those days one had to be an outstanding politician, a big shot in society, or a well-connected person, for one's name to appear in the Nigerian Daily Times, Nigerian Daily Telegraph andLagos Daily News. Of course if you had a friend working in the news or composing section of a paper, no matter who you were, you might be slipped in. Names of people like myself appeared in the papers simply because we were agitators or free-lance journalists. All the same, it was generally agreed that the Igbos needed all the boosting they could get.But Dr Azikiwe went about it in a manner which disgusted those of us who were used to describing citizens of Nigeria as Nigerians or Africans, and regarding their achievements as reflecting credit on Nigeria, indeed Africa, as a whole. The following are typical of the titles of front page news items and of editorial articles in the Pilot.


1. ' Ibo Young Man to Sail to U.K.' is the heading of a frontpage story and picture on September 23, 1938. The young man is Mr Jaja Wachuku, now Speaker of Nigeria's House of Representatives.
2. '14th West African Student, 10th Nigerian, 8th Ibo in U.S.A.' Another front-page story on January 28, 1939. The 8th Ibo is Mr Nwafor Orizu, now Senator in Nigeria's Upper House.
3. 'Ibo Medical Student Passes Exam In First Class Honours.' Yet another front page story, on June 26, 1940, of the brilliant success of Dr S. O. Egwuatu.
4. Editorials:
i. ' A Model Union' ( August 8, 1938) in praise of the Ibibio State Union.
ii. 'One Year Ago' ( August 18, 1938) celebrating the first anniversary of the call to the Bar of the first Ibo lawyer, in the person of Mr Justice Louis Mbanefo, now Chief Justice of the Eastern Region High Court.
iii. 'The Ibo Are Coming' ( December 31, 1938) -- The very title is sufficiently indicative of the contents.

These are but a few examples of the publicity given to Igbos as a group. But as against these, the achievements of Yorubas and, in particular, the academic laurels of their scholars received, if at all, inconspicuous notice in the Pilot. When an Igbo did or was about to do something praiseworthy, he was invariably given a two-column headline and report in the Pilot, and was always described by his ethnic origin in the headlines. But when the Ph.D. degree of London University, indeed of any university for that matter, was conferred on the first Nigerian ever, the historic news was given a small singlecolumn space in the Pilot, and the headline read: 'Nigerian Economist Passes Ph.D. London.' The scholar concerned was Dr Fadipe, a Yoruba. As late as 1945, two Nigerian law students of Cambridge University, one Yoruba and one Igbo, passed the Law Tripos Examination. The Yoruba passed with second class honours (upper division), and the Igbo also passed with second class honours but in the lower division. The latter got front page publicity in the Pilot, but the former got a small space given to him on the back page a few days after the report of his Igbo colleague had appeared. As for outstanding Yoruba public men, they were all of them daubed as 'imperialist stooges' and ' Uncle Toms'.


That is ethnic chauvinism right there unvarnished. He had no business running for office in Yorubaland in the first place.

Nigeria is really a jungle. If not, how could a person with correct social order above his/her shoulders compare personal achievements of Awolowo and Azikiwe and still have the effrontery to tilt such goofy comparison to Awo?

Baring unloading money from government coffers, Awo could have been hard pressed to sustain three square meals. By the time Zik wrote this golden piece, the inhabitants of Protectorate were strictly classified through their ethnicity. I guess what prompted Zik’s article was empty boast about unfounded Yoruba achievements which were orchestrated by loudmouthed politicians and lazy juju musicians of that era. Granted the Yoruba people could have been the first to wave at Europeans, yet the first person to earn Ph.D from the Protectorates was an Ibo person.

It is very funny and regrettable that certain cretins attempted to reduce the Great Zik of Africa to the level of somebody such as Awo. Remove government coffers from these fine gentlemen produced by Nigeria, Awo’s name can not be mentioned. By the time Awo was able to stowaway to London, Zik had already established a world-class news media house whose readership spanned across the sub-region of Africa. The news media umbrella was able to provide employments to people who later became Nigerians, Ghanaians, Dahomeans, Togolese and Sierra Leoneans.

Even the football club owned by Zik that won FA Cup or War Memorial Cup gave rise to few Yoruba soccer stars. It is only a jungle such as Nigeria that people will attempt to engage in a goofy statement such as “Unfinished Greatness of Awolowo”.

[quote author= Katsumoto ]I am sick and tired of this argument, must an Igbo man rule the west before you accept we are one country. Why can't an Igbo man be satisfied with ruling Igbo land, a yoruba man rule Yoruba land, and hausa man rule hausa land. An outsider can not care about my father's house as much as me or my siblings.[/quote]Pal, you have adamantly refused to join the choir which sings the song of disintegration of the colonial contraption called Nigeria. Remember we are talking about wonderful One-Nigeria. You can not eat your cake and have it.