₦airaland Forum

@OP

Granted the fact I disliked the voices from the so-called south-south about crude oil for everything in today’s Nigeria, it was the combination of crude oil, treacherous southern Nigerians and northern region that foisted war against Biafra and created the so-called south-south.

Becomrich0:
Why would you think my mock war was play station. Are you serious. ?  It is real life mock war. Where are you from. I did national service. And we did a real simulated mock war situation. What do you people do in National service now adays.  I really want to know. And apart from this , i have gone for other training, which i do not have to discuss to you.    What do you people do in national service nowadays, Dont you have the military portion of national service anymore.  And how many month do the military camp you people nowadays.

And i told you, I have an engineering degree. why dont you believe me? even some of your presidential candidate knows this. former Vice president Atiku brother was my boss in adamawa, if I had no degree, how do you think . Even  saraki knows I have engineering degree. In engineering we do what they call model and mock type situation. I even have a post graduate diploma in computer science. which allow me to even create software to show you what i mean. That why I use pictures and image. This is what they use in engineering. so stop complaining of my maps.

You have to test every situation. I would switch lagos and kaduna GOC.

Gen. Becomrich0 and electricity engineer, I salute. As usual, the sketch map you posted lacked many fundamental aspects of military parlance. You did not include logistics, chain of command and intestinal fortitude to fight. If so-called COAS Ihiejirika will depend on Yoruba born GOC such as Shoboki to match from Lagos to Ilorin and Enugu, it means he is lost in history. By the way, you did not show he will account for the loyalty of brigade and battalion commanders not to mention the NCOs.

Granted there are logical model and service stubs in engineering, you failed to show how retiring and redeploying of Service Chiefs and GOCs by GEJ fit into your concept. I shall not mention Nigeria in discussion of warfare such as nuclear or chemical. Even in conventional warfare, what GEJ has done is begging for reasons other than paranoia.

If I may fellow the ridiculous perception of certain individuals on this board, GEJ has injected tribalism into the Nigerian armed forces which was one of the cardinal reasons that precipitated January 15, 1966 coup.

Any attempt to describe the system of government being currently operated in Nigeria as democracy tantamount to act of insanity.

[quote author=Care-Taker link=topic=519213.msg6815799#msg6815799 date=1285344549]I understand federalism to have something to do with national political system that has a constitution that goes with it if adopted by any nation.

Is zoning also a national issue in the case of Nigeria?


Anyways, zoning has been honored by pdp, Jonathan's case is exceptional, he is the incumbent here and has the constitutional right to contest for a second term in office.

Now tell me, if it were you, who among you will accept otherwise if you were in Jonathan's shoes?[/quote]Where was it written in Nigerian constitution that incumbent must contest for re-election? While the constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria may have stipulated elective offices, the certification of candidature rests with the political parties.

ferari90:
Jonathan is the most insecure president i have ever seen in my life.
insecure people are very dangerous, they think everybody is against them
and can do some very irrational things. Jonathan should be watched closely.
He just might end up dividing Nigeria after all. Anyway for those of you loud mouths who want Nigeria to divide
you have in Jonathan everything you ever needed . but don't run when it starts ooooo

You had your head in the right place until you wondered off by characterizing people who agitate for disintegration of Nigeria as loudmouths. The undeniable loudmouths are the generations of the idiots who fought against Biafra and suddenly found the northern region as the most disgusting thing God created after ugly.

Becomrich0:
in the military you predict attack.

So you never did mock war before , you.

Gen. Becomrich0 aka Idi Amin, I salute. When Gen engages in predication of attacks, he or she is bound to loose command. I guess what you termed as mock war is military exercise or war games. Should I remind you that such military maneuvers are planned through military headquarters? The exercise of purging Service Chiefs and GOCs teeters on cowardice and paranoia. I have not read about the redeployment in Navy and Air force yet.

GEJ is either acting in desperation or behaving like a paranoid despot. I guess the cross section of Nigerians is not as ignorant as some peeps who post on this forum. GEJ is showing the demeanor of person who will flagrantly flout ordinances and statutory codes.

I have never read or perceived redeploying or retiring of Service Chiefs and GOCs is a measure of countercoup. If few groups of army officers decide to precipitate coup, whether it is successful or not, it will only take battalion commanders and few principal officers at Headquarters to see through to such endeavor.

GEJ should stop acting like a coward.

ilugunboy:
Zoning will divide Nigeria, says Tinubu



By Okechukwu Nnodim


September 24, 2010 02:33PM
printemail




Bola Tinubu, a former governor of Lagos State and a leader of the Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN), on Thursday, criticised the selection formula for presidential candidates adopted by the ruling Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), describing the act as one "that promotes division" in the country.
Mr Tinubu, during an interview with correspondents at the Murtala Muhammed Airport, Lagos, said that though the leaders claim to be united in the race for one Nigeria, their actions speak otherwise, adding that the ACN will not adopt the style adopted by the PDP. "Ethnicity, zoning and the likes, that is silly for this country," he said. "My party doesn't believe in it; what the party says is that the candidate can come from anywhere. Why do you continue to promote division in this country? They are not good leaders, they are just like: you know all those people who are being paraded in the press today as nationalists, while they are not. Yesterday, they were calling for unity, united Nigeria, and all of that; but today they call for zoning. What are you preaching? Division, contradiction, in fact they should go and retire."
Mr Tinubu said that the leaders should vacate office for they have betrayed the trust reposed in them by the masses, adding that Nigeria needs a transformational leader. "They should go home and sleep," he said. "They are like fathers stealing from their baby's milk. There must be a generational change and transformation of this country. These people are tired; they've been roaming about. All of them put together, if they have any vision that they want to promote, they are already members of the Council of State, they are accessible to the President, whoever he is, they should go and articulate that vision and give him the advice; not to come back and confuse and consume our own heritage." Denies signing advertorial
Asked if he was in support of the Southern Governors' Forum's clamour for a southern president, as published in an advertorial in a national daily on Thursday, Mr Tinubu said that the advertorial was "fraud." "Me? Which paper? , I'm not Obasanjo now, that is fraud," he said. "I have not attended any meeting. I did not. At first when I formed the Southern Governors' Forum, it was purposely geared towards true federalism and fiscal federalism, and I articulated that on several occasions and I am still standing on that ground. I don't want to be a defective politician; I don't want to see Nigeria from the prism of North and South dichotomy. We got our independence collectively together sitting down. We grafted and adopted federal constitution, we don't bypass that. I'm not like some politicians who appear in the garment and the regalia of national politics yesterday and because of today, they become ethnic jingoist."


GBAM!!!!

This is a ranting of ant. If Bola Tinubu termed zoning as divisive, what the hell should he call quota system and nonsensical federal character? It is this type of lame expression that spurs many right-thinking Nigerians to continuously agitate for disintegration of the cesspit called Nigeria.

If zoning is not good for Nigeria, I must categorically say that quota and federal character are bad for the country too.

bigbish:
Those in various leadership positions in the country are the most corrupt in the world, Chairman of the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC), Professor Attahiru Jega, has said. Delivering a paper on credible leadership at a public lecture organised by the ECKANKAR yesterday, Jega said: “There is perhaps no other country in the world where power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely as in Nigeria. Our consistent or persistent ranking on the global corruption index testifies to this.”
He also said: “If the truth is to be told, with very few exceptions, our crop of leaders have essentially been self-serving rulers, some even despots and not leaders in the true sense of the word.

“They have generally lacked vision, focus and selflessness and even enlightened self-interest. Many in leadership positions are unimaginably corrupt, they are greedy, they are vindictive, they are reckless and in many fundamental respects, senseless. Virtually whoever has access to power attempts to abuse it, ”

Jega said there is absence of transparency in the manner which leaders govern the country.

“Many Nigerian public officials, whether elected or appointed, have tended to exude not only power, but also corruption, with impunity. This is manifest in the way they walk, talk, dress and generally conduct themselves.”

He tasked Nigerians on the need to ease corrupt leaders out of the system to evolve credible leadership for development of the country.

He said: “All of our country’s ills, trials and tribulations, both politically and socio-economically, can be squarely attributed to lack of transparency and accountability and the corruption that these have engendered.”

But reacting to Jega’s presentation, Minister of Women Affairs, Iyom Josephine Anenih, said the poor leadership in the country is a reflection of bad citizenry.

According to her, “there is no leader in Nigeria today that is not under pressure to steal to satisfy greedy relatives and friends. How can we have credible leaders without credible citizenry? The only way we can have credible leaders is to have credible followers who will not collect money to vote for bad leaders.”

Jega disagreed with the minister’s position saying, “to me the challenge of leadership is to do the right thing even if it is unpopular. I cannot see the basis for a leader to steal money to satisfy the followers. It is not right to succumb to such pressure. You may become unpopular, you may not be elected again, but you must ensure that the right things are done.”

He said there is need for faith- based organisations to remain neutral on political issues and to sustain inter-faith dialogue in the society.





http://www.dailytrust.dailytrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3422:jega-nigerian-leaders-most-corrupt-in-the-world&catid=2:lead-stories&Itemid=8

This bloody fool should shut up. Why is he not showing his stuff by example? I thought by now, Jega should have resigned as Chairman of INEC because of conflict of interest. Jega was appointed to the post of chairman by statutory code breaker in GEJ who is also a candidate in an election to be conducted by body led by Jega.

In the countries Jega seemed to be referencing in his nonsensical paper, an individual such as him should have stepped down on the bases of conflict of interest. Probably the so-called education Jega received did not inform him about the existence of such phrase.

He does not deserve another term of tyrannical governance of Imo State. Legally, I do not know if he is qualified to run as a PDP candidate. I guess the PDP executive and members should look into the time period when Ohakim rejoined the party.

Aigbofa:
You got it wrong brother! Biafra was a Nigerian affair and I can comment on it all I want. If we live in the same apartment building and you decide to set your own unit on fire, it becomes our problem.

What a metaphor. I guess when the fire gets out of hand you will be first loudmouth to discern the cause of the fire is no longer "our" problem but the problem of a particular apartment. In the course of Nigerian history, the scenario has happened before now when a fire started in apartment located in western region got out of hand and suddenly became an inferno which was caused by a distanced apartment.

[quote author=Akin-Egba link=topic=518384.msg6803708#msg6803708 date=1285190006]Ibos, it looks like GEJ, Atiku and IBB are falling heads over heels to catch your attention. Jonathan gave you chief of army staff position, and now an international airport, all to get your votes. That is good, but while you wait for 2015 or 2019, you can blackmail GEJ to ensure that you get additional states before election day. A bird at hand is worth 10000 on the tree top. Now that elections have been postponed, you have ample time to backmail the president to do this for you before voting day. It is better for you to move to have equal number of states now that you can force him to help bring it about.

So in essence:
SE=2 extra states
SW=1 extra state
SS=1 extra state
NC = 1 extra state
NE= 1 extra state
NW = 0 extra state
= 7 states per zone.
You these ibos wey no dey think far. How much una go pay for the help? Hahaha!!!![/quote]Many individuals out of cesspit called Nigeria are really delusional. Is there any reference in the Nigerian Constitution that forbids Igbo stock from being appointed COAS which is a step below CDS? Last time I checked though, Igbo chap was recently the CDS.

There are only two caliber International airports in Nigeria. They are MMA and NAA. Anybody who thinks Port Harcourt or Enugu airport is international other than a glorified highway with mechanic workshops is a bloody fool.

Kobojunkie:
NIce . . . . I see the @Moderator cleaned up the thread . . . now we are back to business. . . .

So, is anyone going to answer the question on why Ibo day is even relevant? I want to know so if positive, I can start working on getting a holiday for the many other languages out there. It is high time we even get some respect, if good, for Pidgeon English.

I say putty to your elbows. The sense of your reactive instead proactive demeanor is pathetic. Must you wait for the Igbo day announcement to jump start your ridiculous endeavors? I guess some people are lamely slow.

Becomrich0: You see, The problem we have in nigeria is the media, and the igbo media men are twisting the truth. But thank God for google earth satellite pictures the truth is coming out.


Look, the so call anioma is but anioma. In the north of delta state. There are different group.


Igbanke ( who are also found in Edo state in Orhionwon Local Government)
Agbor people
owa people
Igala people
Igbo immigrate
Olukumi people (mix yoruba)


If you look at the satellite pictures you would see clearly that the igbos are immigrate. You can see that the names of the villages are named after South east towns where the origin settler comes from. It is like Agu fulani in Oyo state.
It is just like those of us abroad, in future, we would claim some part of other people countries if history is not told correctly. Most of the place the igbos are claiming is call Owa kingdom. Please do a check on this.


Even if you look at the satellite picture very carefully, the igbo immigrate are minority in those areas. So there is No way, you can create a state in that place and now call it anioma state. It would never happen. The only possible state may be Owa state or Agbor state. Which this majority of the people have nothing to do with igbos.

This people bear names like Otumudon,Onwugha,Igbedigi, Ewodo , Ewuare, Ozolue , Orhogbue, Efeizomor. Do those name sound igbo to you.

look you Hon. Justice (Chief) S.A. Ehiwario (Rtd.) is the Okiroro of Owa kingdom, those his name sound igbo to you.
Chief Mrs. Mary Oshiegbu is the Oriowe of Owa kingdom ,
Mr. Paul Osemele is the Igirigi Enweiwe of Owa kingdom.
Mr. Stanley Ehianuta is the Odafe Arakeze of Owa kingdom.


Look at the satellite pictures, it is obvious the igbos just came to farm. And many like those of us living abroad decided to stay, i know nigerian who have lived in canada for 40 years.

That is the area kaduna Nzegwu claim he comes from, it is obvious to see, they immigrated from igboland that why thier villages bear name to tell where they come from. Onitsha.

I thought by now you should have wised up. Do the bolded words sound Yoruba or have Yoruba connotation?

There is nothing independent about INEC and so-called Chairman Prof. A. Jega. It will usher true sense of fairness and independency if Jega should resign as the Chairman of INEC since his appointment was made by GEJ who is also a candidate for 2011 Nigerian presidential election. This is certainly a case of conflict of interest.

If INEC is allowed to conduct the polls for 2011 Nigerian presidential election whereas GEJ who appointed Jega remains as candidate, the said election can never be free and fair.

It is only a redundant fool shall think that Yoruba block vote is relevant in the polity of Nigeria after the 1999 Nigerian presidential election.

If north secedes, it will probably be better than south that houses Yoruba and Igbo. Ndigbo must declare republic if north secedes. And for those idiots making jokes about north and groundnut, crude oil exploration in the Southern Protectorate would have been abandoned without the money deposited by the northern region after both western and eastern regions declared empty treasury for the project.

Every law breaker is clueless. It is very shameful to watch as most Nigerian are cracking their voices in support of a candidate who has no respect for ordinances in democratic setting such as Nigeria.

T9ksy:
Yeah, of course, only the igbos were qualified to be VCs in most of the Universities,isn't it? We already had an igbo vc in Ibadan, nsukka, lagos and the igbos were gonna plant another one in Zaria!If it wasn't for the likes of TOS Benson & co, the situation would have continued, unabated.

Go on then, why don't you tell us that there were no capable yoruba professors who could have been VCs in yoruba universities? These are the sort of marginalisation we were arguing about on another thread. It was this sort of open marginalisation which propelled the ilk of Akintola to form an alliance with the sardunna. It was for the same reason that your highly educated nationalist Zik opted to play second fiddle to a grade 2 teacher training holder like Balewa. At least, you can't say the yorubas weren't as educated as the igbos at that time, can you?

It appears you are struggling to make sense. Unfortunately, you can not reconfigured recorded events which are beyond your exclusive reach. When Ndigbo were the VC at Ibadan and Lagos, expatriates were VCs at Zaria and Nsukka.

Again, Ndigbo were not in business of promoting university lecturers to tenured professors. Besides, an Igbo person was not even the minister of education.

As I write this post, I do not know any Yoruba who is capable of anything in Nigeria. So it is mute point to ask me to tell you a Yoruba professor who could have been qualified as VC. The fact remained that Dr. Biabaku was not qualified become a tenured professor.

sbeezy8:
We know that yorubas were killed in Both coups. Akintola by the igbo coup to install zik or irionsi even if the few idiots among them were yoruba.
But as for the killing the son of the soil are you talking of fajuyi, who probably planned knew about the coup or are you talking about Akintola who was killed in the igbo coup.

the despoiling yoruba women by drunken northerners NEVER heard that rumor ( Ive never even set my eyes on a drunken aboki) . . . but I do know about the beautiful biafran women who were despoiled or married like ndidi maryam babangida.

In this your response you say the yoruba soldiers are cowards, ok fine but you always said that Ojukwu ran away to live to fight snother day, so maybe they had the same strategy as Ojukwu. LOL

It is either you are losing every credibility as person or kissing bye to intellectual faculty. At least, you shamelessly agreed to the fact that few Yoruba soldiers were involved with January 15, 1966 coup. May I ask how many Yoruba officers were involved with July 29, 1966 coup?   

The western regional government publications of 1967 were busy disseminating feel-happy propaganda how Fajuyi volunteered to die with Ironsi instead of publishing the reality of events in Ibadan.

You must be out of your mind to compare Ojukwu, who stood his ground and exposed the weaknesses of numerically superior side such a Nigeria, with loudmouthed cowards who chose to run or joined the aggressors.

T9ksy:
but u still haven't addressed what I posted about the situation in '65 when the igbos were attempting to have all the VCs in the country from their enclave, only.

How did Ndigbo attempt to have all the positions of VC in Nigeria? You can enlighten us about the grand scheme bearing in mind that to become a VC a candidate must have been a tenured professor. To the best of knowledge, Ndigbo do not grant tenure to university professors. Do I need to remind that Dr. Biabaku (sp) was not even qualified as tenured professor talk less of VC. However, Dr. Biabaku (sp) was a clipboard carrying member of AG and later NNDP.

@ferari90

I am not surprised that GEJ would indulge in act of plagiarism. The dude can not teach first grade pupils a class in civil obedience. He has already flouted section 7-2 C of PDP constitution, the same clause which saw him as VP.

T9ksy:
The VC's position UNILAG had been filled in a most acrimonious manner with the Yoruba ministers in the Federal Government (Chiefs TOS Benson, RA Akinjide and Ayo Rosiji to
name but a few) insisting that a Yoruba must now fill this position and that the incumbent, Eni
Njoku not have his contract renewed. The Yoruba had seen Oladele Ajose by-passed by Kenneth
Dike in filling the position at Ibadan and were now determined not to repeat the situation at Lagos.This was after the formation of NNDP.


Moreover the Yoruba saw a situation in which Johnson McTaggart the American Vice Chancellor would retire from Nsukka to be replaced no doubt by an Igbo; so that at Ibadan, Lagos and Nsukka there would be all Igbo Vice Chancellors.

There were also rumours that in 1966, Professor JC Edozien then at UI, an Igbo was to be appointed to the position of VC at ABU Zaria upon the retirement of the New Zealand-born physicist, Norman Alexander

I hope some knuckleheads from your neighborhood are reading your posts with rapt attention. At least, you have employed deductive reasoning in your approach to recorded events.

In 1951, Yoruba introduced tribalism in the polity practiced in the Protectorates. Also in 1965, Yoruba yet again introduced tribalism in academia in Nigeria. It was another Yoruba who instigated the spread of tribalism in Nigerian army via 1st Brigade in Kaduna.

They say bath apig and comb a pig; a pig must remain a pig. The cankerworm that eats deep into Nigerian national fabric is tribalism introduced by the Yoruba. The best thing that will happen to Nigeria is disintegration period.

bilymuse:
During the Biafran war, Ojukwu encouraged Igbos to fight and die for Biafra, but when 0the federal troops come knocking on his door, the bald headed coward just ran away. He could not practice what he preached.

He's among the vultures, who benefited from the war: The coward ran away at the end of the war, millions lost their life. He got his properties back, thousand of Igbo properties are still classified as abandoned properties. He got his rank back, thousands former biafran soldiers are not recognise and wallowing in poverty. He got his pension and gratuity, thousands of former biafran soldiers did not get a penny, nor recognition.

He wasted hundreds of thousands of Biafran life, for what , for nothing.

Ojukwu is nothing but a cheap coward and betrayer.

At least, Ojukwu bloodied the noses of the aggressors. It is a virtue to fight and remain alive in order to fight another day. The manners things are shaping up in the jungle called Nigeria I shall not be surprise if another round of war erupts tomorrow.

If you are not an irredeemable fool, you would have realized the feat Ojukwu performed for Ndigbo in particular and easterners in general.

It was shame your father, uncles, bothers and cousins stood as onlookers while shaking in their pants as drunken northern regional soldiers of Nigerian army killed the son of soil and took several turns in despoiling your sisters and aunts. The fathomable actions your loudmouthed lineage could muster were either racing to Dahomey to hide or lining up to carry the boots of soldiers.

Ibime:
Dede, these people no understand simple English.

I've been following the conversation and you make it very clear that Igbo did not dominate otherwise there would be no need for the first coup.

This raises another question namely, do you believe that the first coup was a deliberate attempt by Ndigbo officers to dominate affairs?

It has never crossed my mind that January 15, 1966 coup was a deliberate attempt by the so-called Igbo officers to dominate affairs. The composition of officers who precipitated the coup was a mixture at best though officers of Igbo stock dominated and rightfully so.

I am not delighted in teaching some contributors the history of cesspit called Nigeria. According to sources open to us, the coup plotters enumerated reasons which included tribalism, nepotism, corruption and earth-scorched politics. For sure Ndigbo and easterners were entrenched favorably in certain positions of human endeavors in Nigeria based on handwork and merits. Remember Ndigbo and easterners dominated the officers’ cadre of Nigerian armed forces.

I guess the feelings of contempt toward Balewa’s government stated when nepotism and tribalism reared their ugly heads in military. For example, one Amuta who had a grade 2 was dropped by Nigerian ministry of defense headed by Ribadu for I. B. Haruna who had already failed at the navy selection board.

There were groups of northern Nigerian cadets who were thrown out of Canadian Miltary Academy for lack of abilities of any kind and when they  arrived at  Nigerian shore were granted commission into Nigerian army among them were Isa Bukar and Nathan Nuhu to name just a few. Remember Col Isa Bukar killed due to his participation in the coup that killed Murtala Mohammed.

There are many of them who rose to become Head of State in Nigeria. It was the same brazen display of nepotism and tribalism angered Uche Chukwumarije to vacate his slot which remains open at Sandhurst, UK till today. In fact, January 15, 1966 plotters wanted a better Nigeria where merits not tribalism or nepotism should guide ascendance of any Nigerian in his or her chosen career.

T9ksy:
Dede, I thought we 've lead that topic to rest? The igbos did dominate every aspect of southern nigeria govt. courtesy of their coalition with the balewa govt. However, the new overtures from Akintola and Ayo rosiji put paid to that domination. By 1965, the igbos did not enjoy the same monopoly in the south as they did at the onset of Zik's alliance with the sardunna.

So, its understandable why they would carry out the coup in early '66.

This is ridiculously funny. Even with the armor shield tribalism especially in the case of VC position of Unilag, Ndigbo and easterners had more than fair share of the political patronages. By the way, NNDP joined NPC for political crumbs or leftovers.  Remember the major partners in the coalition government were NPC and NCNC.

When political bounties were shared, it was between NPC and NCNC. Whatever NPC gave to Akintola and NNDP were rejects.

amingafar:
dede1 response

hypocrite

Did you understand the lexical structure of the grammar? My statement was “If Ndigbo were perceived to have dominated every aspect of Nigeria society of the era in discusses, why on earth would Ndigbo precipitate coup?” It means that Ndigbo did not dominate everything as their detractors would want us to believe. What is there not to understand?

sbeezy8:
I HAVE ALWAYS SAID HAUSAS DONT LIKE YORUBAS EVEN THE MUSLIM ONES STOP TELLING LIES

IM NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU DIOTS ANYMORE OBJ WAS PRESIDENT- THROUGH YORUBAS BACKSTABBING. JONATHAN WILL BE THE FIRST IGBO IJAW PRESIDENT THROUGH BACKSTABBING- IM SATISFIED

I guess it takes one irreparable idio.t to identify another. Seriously, I do not think the year 1999 was too long a time to forget events that expired with it. I am talking about 1999 Nigerian presidential election. The southwestern region turned its back on Obasanjo and overwhelmingly voted for candidate from AD.

Today, AD as a political party has died a natural political death. By the same token, it has rendered the southwestern regional political block vote inconsequential in political scheme of things in Nigeria.

I am shocked there is not noisemaker as presidential candidate from AC yet. There is one thing I love of about Yoruba; they tend to understand their political limit. For first time in annals of Nigerian political history, Yoruba seemed interested to support a candidate who is not a Yoruba. Oh!!!!!!!!!! 1999 presidential election has proved a point.

Katsumoto:
If it is true that you controlled the military, why is it a coup organised by predominantly Igbo officers failed and one which took over 18 months to plan, yet the coup which was started by Northern NCOs in Abeokuta, seized upon by Northern officers, and which took less than six months to plan succeeded? Surely if you dominated the military, it should have been easy to suppress a coup that every body knew was going to happen. Keep believing the bull-crap you were fed.

Your plank of the argument has become so pathetic. Ndigbo did not dominate the armed forces of Nigeria as detractors would want us to believe. However, Ndigbo dominated the officers’ cadre of the armed forces of Nigeria.

There were very few Igbo officers in the high echelon of Nigerian army as of January 1, 1966. Besides Ironsi, Ojukwu, Unegbe and Obienu, there was no other Igbo military officer with command position in the armed forces or even police. Below is example of command position of Nigerian armed forces as of January 1, 1966 excluding Igbo officers.

Chief of Staff, Supreme HQ Ogundipe (Yoruba)
Chief of Staff, Army  Col Robert Adebayo (Yoruba)
Chief of Staff, Navy   Commodore Wey  (Yoruba)
Deputy Chief of Staff, Army Col Kur Muhammad (Fulani)
Adjutant Gen, Lt Col James Pam (Tiv)
Commandant NMTC, Lt Col Shodinide (Yoruba)
IGP. Edet (Efik)

1st Brigade Ademulegun (Yoruba)
2nd Brigade Maimalari   (Kanuri)
1st Battalion, Lt Col Fajuyi (Yoruba)
2nd Battalion, Lt Col Gowon (Angas)
3rd Battalion, Lt Col Kurobo (Ijo)
4th Battalion, Lt Col Abogo Largmann (Tiv)
1st Racce     Major Katsina   (Fulani)

It very disingenuous on your part to even insinuate the countercoup of July 29, 1966 was organized by NCOs.

Katsumoto:
Perceived by whom? You people just like to believe all the crap you were fed. Igbo dominated Nigeria, Igbo were not corrupt, Igbo controlled the Army, the economy, the civil service, etc. Why are you always thinking you are/were superior to everyone else.

And to humour you just a bit, rich greedy people never stop until they have everything if it is true that Ndigbo dominated Nigeria.

You have jumped the gun again. Someone had written that Ndigbo dominated certain section of human endeavor in Nigeria. My reply was there is lack of logic because if Ndigbo had dominated as wrongly perceived though, why should Ndigbo embark on a coup.

Katsumoto:
As usual you go off-tangent.
You talk of military parlance as if coup-plotters have a code of conduct or plotting coup was taught in military schools. Besides what is military parlance about an officer who heard a coup was ongoing and informing his boss? Should he have waited for Ironsi to retrurn to Lagos before informing him of a coup? Your discussion of Njoku and Onoja's part is not anti-thetic to the points that I raised. My mention of Walbe was that he was with Danjuma and your correction of it was pedantic. I did not want to bore anyone with irrelevant details. It was sufficient to state facts that were pertinent to the discussion.

Of course you are free to believe that Gowon was part of the coup; you probably heard it from one of usual, unofficial sources. But as for me, according to the accounts and other literature that I read, Gowon was not a party to the coup and was a compromise candidate between the plotters and Ogundipe.

With regards to your question about negotiation, if it was so easy to arrest Ironsi, why did Danjuma and co not just simply walk into the building and arrest them? Why were they staking out the building even though they had superior numbers? Why did Danjuma not simply arrest Fajuyi when Fajuyi went outside to investigate the gun shots heard during Njoku's escape? I also have to say that your acoount of Njoku's escape does not go with other accounts. If Njoku escaped through the window, why did Fajuyi go outside to investigate. Surely, any man who knows that his building has been surrounded with barricade himself, find a strategic position and defend himself. There were three military men in the house with guns, why was there no gunfight? We are not talking about ordinary civilians or soldiers here, we are talking about Fajuyi and Ironsi who both got commendations for bravery in the Congo and Fajuyi being the first Nigerian to be honoured with an international citation.

You are at it again with statements that beg for logic.  I did not write these: “When Danjuma, Walbe, and others got to the state house and were met at the door by Fajuyi, they had a conversation and said they were there to arrest Ironsi. Fajuyi extracted a promise from Danjuma that Ironsi would not be harmed. When the plotters were arguing with Ironsi about his inactions after the January coup, Fajuyi was still a mediator.” You did write them.

Again, Danjuma a PSO to Ironsi was not in entourage that travelled to Ibadan with Ironsi. Danjuma was to join his boss at Ibadan. However, Danjuma and his colleagues, including those in entourage, had hatched coup. Lt William Walbe was already in the state house in Ibadan when Danjuma arrived. Even though a PSO, Danjuma would have had problems getting into the state house with large number of soldiers in the absence of Lt John Onoja who was the duty-officer in charge of guards at the state house.

In military parlance, if there should be any commotion or unusual movement of soldiers in the premises of state house in Ibadan, it was not duty of Fajuyi to investigate. This primarily function falls on the laps of ADC or other senior officer but slightly behind Ironsi or Fajuyi in terms of seniority. This was why Lt Col Njoku and Nwankwo were the first to confront Danjuma and squad of soldiers.

Again, if the July 29, 1966 did not succeed and it happened that what Gowon, Chief of Staff, Army, did was to phone to inquire from leader of arrest team the situation of C-in-C, he should have been arrested or  probably shot.

It is only in your figment of imagination that coup plotters had to negotiate with intended targets method of arrest and how they should be executed. It is apparent you have not arrested anybody or groups of people whether armed or not. During any form of coup, everybody is a suspect. Division and brigade commanders have gone into hiding because the aides to commanders could be participants. Nwankwo was completely outmanned and outgunned because Lts Walbe, Umar and even Bello supposedly the first respondents in defense of C-in-C were cohorts of Danjuma.

MaziUche0:
What did we Igbos have to gain from the coup?

We were already on top. . . Our position was secured!

So to answer my own question, it was nothing.

That is why it could not have been an Igbo Coup. We basically controlled Nigeria.

When I wrote that sound logic is alien to many Nigerians, I meant every word in the sentence. If Ndigbo were perceived to have dominated every aspect of Nigeria society of the era in discuss, why on earth would Ndigbo precipitate coup?