₦airaland Forum

sbeezy8:
POINT BLANK ZIK SHOULD HAVE AGREED WITH AWO. TO PART WAYS - he didnt so Oh well.

Akintola was a political lover peddler. Yoruba and Akintola went to bed with northern region and one wonders what you people have discovered that instigates this late hour hatred for northern region.

sbeezy8:
NO DOUBT NORTHERNERS WERE KILLING IGBO LIKE FOWLS before the war started- but what can I say the coup WAS an "igbo coupe"

and igbos did kill EVERY premier of EVERY REGION.

that was just dumb-

It is a dumb act to slide under the act of denial. Many corpse of Yoruba stock were dropped off at Lagos/Iddo railway terminal. They were not Ndigbo. Ndigbo chose to fight while Yoruba chose to go to bed with northern region politicians and soldiers.

sbeezy8:
what son of the soil was murdered? are you talking about Akintola that was murdered by the "igbo coup"

Are you this forgetful? I meant Lt. Col Francis Fajuyi the then military governor of western region of Nigeria.

I do not know much about Fajuyi but I had been informed he was a progressive officer. There were three set of Yoruba stock that earned my utmost respect. They are Wole Soyinka, Lt. Col Ayo Ariyo and Ijabu Ode cocoa farmers association. Wole stood against Nigerian war policy towards Biafar and secretly visited Biafra before jailed by Nigerian government led by Gowon.

Lt. Col Ayo Ariyo, one of the finest officers Nigerian had ever produced. He was Sandhurst trained military officer and was 2ic of 3MCDO in Calabar. After short stay in Calaber in 1967, Ariyo left for Lagos and resigned his commission from Nigerian army instead of fighting Ndigbo and Biafrans. I urge every person to remember the family of Ariyo. I heard his son was given a title in Igbo land.

The peasant Ijabu Ode farmers staged was strongest protest against Gowon and Nigerian army in 1967. It took the battle tested elements of 8th battalion under Major Ochefu to subdue them.

sbeezy8:
and igbo never went to war- The north brought the war to them by killing them senselessly before the war started.

Wow!!!!!!!!!! You have regained the intellectual sense that tends to elude many of your ilks. I know with time the truth will eventually fall out of their reasoning facility.

MaziUche0:
These Yorubas are saying they will go to war. Please. . . All talk.

Did they go to war when the Abiola was thrown in jail? NO

Did they go to war when Abacha (Known Yoruba Hater) was killing their people? NO

These Yorubas are on their own. No Igbo will join them. Heck no Niger Delta will join them except for the Ijaws. Let them reap what they sow.


Ude and Ikengawo. . . No Igbo shall join that cause. The Treachery of the Yoruba is still fresh in our mind.

Even when the son of soil was murdered in Ibadan and many beautiful Yoruba women awkwardly hammered by drunken soldiers of Nigerian army from northern region of Nigeria, there was no fight from them. Yet the people were either busy swelling the ranks of Nigerian army to fight Biafra or lecturing us how July 29, 1966 coup was targeted against Ndidgbo.

naijaking1:
^^^
The so-called retaliatory coup and blood shed were undoubtably directed against Igbos. The genocide in the north was against Igbos, the counter-attack was directed mostly against Igbo officers, and even today, many of the counter-coupist insist, and falsely too that the Igbos were responsible for everything that went wrong in the first place.

I have no doubt that some Yoruba officer might have been aware of the first coup, or even accessories to it, but everybody knows the retaliation was primarily against Indigbo. Also, I don't deny that some of the counter-coupist might have had a thing or two against Fajuyi in the first place, but there's abundant historical facts to show that the attack at Ibadan was primarily against Ironsi.

Did you read anything in the text that stated the coup was against Yoruba, Igbo, Tiv or Kanuri? The coup was against the government of Nigeria which was headed by Ironsi.
While would coup plotters sought for Ironsi? Was he a participant in Januaru 15, 1966 coup?

Should Ironsi be targeted in any coup during the era in discuss? Of course, Ironsi should be targeted because he was GOC of Nigeria army and later C-in-C and Head of State. In accordance with military parlance, high ranking officers with command positions and occupying strategic positions in military Headquarters are targets to coup plotters.   

Also, the coup was wrongly perceived as retaliatory episode against the officers’ military cadre that was dominated by Ndigbo. The coup was also, in part, directed to anybody whom the coup plotters wrongly or rightly perceived to have had a hand in January 15, 1966 coup. The aforementioned coup of January 15, 1966 was never and will not be an Igbo coup because all the military officers involved were not Igbo but dominated by officers of Igbo stock and rightfully so.

The coup plotters knew who was who within the armed forces. The plotters of July 29, 1966 coup were not zombies as most people would want us to believe. The northern region elements in the armed forces of Nigeria knew it will amount to irreparable blunder if they would allow two progressive military governors, Fajuyi and Ojukwu, standing after a coup that had eliminated the C-in-C.

Let me make it abundantly clear that if Fajuyi had been alive, there would have been no civil war in Nigeria. I had wished July 29. 1966 coup plotters had precipitated the coup during Ironsi’s tour of northern region.

chyz:
hope you didnt miss understand me. what i meant is that is those cow herders decide to attack we( The Igbos) are going to be forced into it because they know us as "all christian".Not speaking for the other places in the south so when i said "We Are Christians", i meant we Igbos.

Good!!

@Janus05

The cartoon you posted is classic and even eloquent.

janus05:
Zoning should b maintained in the PDP. if GEJ feels that he needs to contest, let him leave the PDP

Well written, pal.

If Nigerians ignore the need to respect any ordinance, the talk of fighting corruption and graft from the likes of GEJ is total rubbish. GEJ should quit PDP to run as presidential candidate so as to obey the clause contain section 7-2 C of PDP constitution.

chyz:
They have no plans like always. After the first days of riots Ohanaeze will issue a statement that say "Ndigbo will resist any attempts on the Igbo".Then they will go back to the SE and start praying to white jesus and wait for his deliverance.

Its not smart to pitch your tent with people that are out to kill you

If you really study what happened in 1967, the north region was not interested in fighting eastern region. They encouraged the southerners to do the fighting for them. The 1st Division of Nigerian army was a containment force to protect southeast plank of the northern region border if Nigeria will disintegrate into three countries.

Again, my concern centers on the readiness of Ndigbo in case Nigeria goes ablaze.

chyz:
3 words: We Are Christians

I had wished these were true in 1967.

Did the Fulani stop any fool in Nigeria from speaking the fool’s ethnic language or cause disunity for not speaking the said language?

chyz:
Theses guys are sounding real insecure right now.LOL. The day the north tries to battle the whole south they will surely meet their waterloo and im not even playing about that.

Please try to be specific about “south”. I hope you did not include Ndigbo in the south.

There will never be unity in southern Nigeria as it is known in the northern Nigeria. I am very happy the real northern Nigerians are drawing the line on the issue. My only problem is the status of Ndigbos' preparation  in case Nigeria takes the path of chaos. 

@Metalgong

According to PDP clauses, the northern region has every right to claim its presidential mantle. If there should be any war as a result of the recent political tussle and Ndigbo appear to be undecided on what to do, I shall waste no time to pitch my tent with northern region of Nigeria.

dayokanu:
If Gowon is a murderer based on the killings that happened in Biafra, Then Ojukwu too qualifies as a murderer based on the killings that happened in the Mid West

This arrant nonsense is based on wild and unfounded accusations which typified the behavior of Nigerians during the war. They could not muster any form of intelligent operations unless led through the nose by the British operatives. When Nigerians are taken to the task of naming the Biafran battalion, brigade, division or commander of the units that committed the killing, they fall like pack of cards.

The Brafrans had intelligent reports of three killings of unarmed civilians at Asaba, Ogba/Egbama and Ogidi. The Biafran intelligent operatives were able to identify the units and senior commanding officer of the formation that committed the atrocity.

In fact, Nigeria is full of jokers.

amingafar:
i disgree nigeria didnt recieve anything cruciial from those countries. because most of the war where people died was bloodless.

the war was never really fought and not that much people died from actual combat- thats one of the pros about the war. it wasnt bloody one.

@good from gowon he was there in 1966 for nigeria and he is still here for our beloved country

There were more than battalion of combatant soldiers from Niger and Chad. I knew one Major form Chad who was involved with the coup that sent Murtala Mohammed to his grave.

The British war assistant to Nigeria was uncountable. There was one Lt Cmdr. Cox who joined Lt Cmdrs Soroh, Aduwo and Abdulahi in hunt for Lt Cmdr. Ebitu Ukaiwe who navigated away with one of Nigerian frigates.

On the diplomatic front, British were doing everything to support Nigeria.

Have you asked yourself what brought about the saga of Bakassi Peninsula? Ahmadu Ahidjo of Cameroun, who was rumored to hail from Adamawa, did everything to block Biafran eastern flank.

USSR oversupplied Nigeria with AK-47 and MIG 21 that Apapa Wharf was jammed with damaged military hardware.

Nigeria did not have many pilots who can fly the MIG fighters after young Igbo pilots left for eastern region. This is where the Egyptians, under the pretence of Muslim brotherhood, joined the fight.  There were few Australian MIG pilots. However, Nigerian had one capable MIG fight pilot in the person of Flight Lieutenant Gbadamosi King who was a Yoruba.

Arab League of Nations made sure money was not an issue for Nigeria to acquire military hardware since the war was regarded as a jihad to them. 

Now, if you have better intelligent source feel free to educate us.

safariman:
The news may not have traveled to all regions, but I was in Ibadan at that time and that was the story going around that he died nobly along side Ironsi

Of course, Fajuyi died alongside Ironsi but never offered to die as the propagandists would want to believe.   

I had a personal chat with one of the men who was at center of the debacle inside the state house at Ibadan in the person of Flight Lieutenant Arthur Nwankwo, one of the ADCs to Ironsi and the soldier who threatened Major Danjuma with his pistol.

dayokanu:
Thats why I am thinking what would non Yorubas stand to gain by propagating such lies. If the truth was obvious to you and dede1 Why would a whole general Ukiwe not know this truth and choose to lie publicly.

Even another Gen Ovadje and nana too

Ebitu Ukiwe was not a General but a Naval Commodore. I guess he was at the sea and running for his life when events in Ibadan took place. As for Gen Ovadje, he could have been in NMTC as a cadet.

dayokanu:
Ebitu Ukiwe if I read correctly is not Yoruba and he is the one eulogising Fajuyi there.

Nana Okuribido and also Gen Ovadje, None of these names sounded like a Yoruba name to me.

So what do these people have to gain by prapagating lies

This is not about Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa or Kanuri. The issue in discuss is about factual facts concerning the history of Nigeria not about political peddlers who want to make political hay. It is said that the past is prologue.

safariman:
The moment Fajuyi was killed, the news that he offered himself as well was the overwhelming story that went around at that time. i.e. it was not an after thought

This crap is laughable. The whereabouts of Head of State of the Federal Republic of Nigeria and the Military Governor of western region of Nigeria were not known to the large cross-section of Nigerians until about two weeks or more. This nonsensical rumor was a brainchild of western regional government publication of 1967. This goofy nonsense did show up in 1966 but 1967 when western and mid-western regions had joined the fight on northern region side to prosecute the war against eastern region.

I shall continue to agitate for disintegration of jungle called Nigeria. It is the best option for all its inhabitants. The most idiotic aspect of all these rubbish are few loudmouthed Nigerians who will jump into silly endeavor in attempt to compare USA’s civil war with Nigeria/Biafra.

When the USA’s civil war ended, the Union took care of all soldiers who fought the war be them Confederate or Union soldiers.

Not all the wounded Biafran soldiers lived in Oji. There are many wounded Biafran soldiers who had moved on and made fortune for themselves.

Of course, he never investigated Patience Jonathan because her husband was not against OBJ’s third term saga. This is arrant nonsense coming from a law school graduate turned a police officer who could not point at criminal arrest to his credit after 12 years in police force. Yet he was able to raise 45 million naira to purchase house in Abuja.

Tippy Top:
Ummmm!!!
In my limited knowledge of America I think there language is English and their culture Western or European. Feel free to correct me on this one.

We are saying this time thing. Even other Europeans who found their way to the New World were not from United Kingdom, they were forced to bend toword ENGLISH CULTURE which is a relative to other European cultures.

jp philips:
May you stand up for your children and children's children the way ojukwu stood for Ndigbo.
if you think the the war/ben johnson was the best and only way he could have stood up for Ndigbo then
you re the hero of your generation otherwise its just a curse.

If what happened to Ndigbo in particular and easterners in general during 1966 pogrom is set upon your entire generation and the generation to come and you utter a cough may the cause be upon you and your entire lineage. 

Ojukwu did not allow the Ndigbo to have free reign on the northerners in eastern region. If had allowed Ndigbo a second of revenge, the junkies such Musa Yar adua would not have lived to fight the war. Yet Gowon and Nigeria foisted a war of attrition on eastern Nigeria.

T9ksy:
So, on what do you base your assertions, on? unless you were actively present at the time of all these occurances, which i doubt very much. Why then, don't you intimate us with your own "founded newspaper stories", if any? You can't dispute something without offering something else in its place. Seems to me that you just like to be disagreeable, just for the hell of it. guess, that's how you get your kicks. Oh well, good luck to you.

We were both onboard the same express wagon about the unfounded rumors making rounds on how Fajuyi begged to die with Ironsi.

My bad, the unfounded newspaper was phrase for the OP.

T9ksy:
For once, Dede, you made sense. Its truism that Fajuyi was complicit in the Jan '66 coup, just as Ironsi too, was. Major Ademoyega in his book "why we struck" alluded to Fajuyi being in the know and actually gave "operational advice" to the young coupists.

Please, do not change the medication your doctor prescribed last night because there is sign of improvement.
Seriously, I do not trade on unfounded newspaper stories.

[quote author=Aloy+Emeka link=topic=515225.msg6771862#msg6771862 date=1284738743]You knew that how?[/quote]I have told you to drop all the conjectural craps that are being offloaded everyday on this board from your menu. In addition, I advised you to indulge in exploratory research. Believe me you will be surprise at the facts you can uncover. 

For the sake of shameful Nigeria polity, if Yoruba organizers invite me to speak on the occasion such as foundation for Fajuyi, I would praise him but will not go as far as ridiculing Fajuyi with the crap of wanting to die with Ironsi. It is fairytale for the loonies.

T9ksy:
Forget about leopards shedding his spots. Not everyone here is like you who is just spoting for some tribal mudslinging match. I state the the facts as they are. How you react to it is entirely up to you. Small-minded individuals resorts to derisions when confronted with superior argument.

We were practising true federalism with each region taking care of its developement until Ironsi "reluctantly" came to power in Jan 17th 1966 and in May 24th 1966 (4months later) without even holding a plebiscite, promulgated Decree 34 which essentially was a unification law as favoured and canvassed for by NCNC in their hitherto political manifesto.


Source=======>www.gamji.com/nowa/nowa25.htm

Why are you twisted out of human form, pal? I salute Nowa Omogui for palatable write-ups but his works were not gospel. I do not think that Decree 34 was a progenitor of centralized government but a unification code which ironically is what we are practicing today in Nigeria.

^^^^ You are funny creature. The whole text is laughable. I hope this conjectural rubbish does not get the viewing of public outside Nigeria. My second grade daughter could easily discern the jokes that piled upon each other on this crap. No wonder the cesspit called Nigerai can not dwell beyond mediocre. Even if Col Francis Fajuyi was a toddler who insisted to accompany his father to a wedding ceremony by crying and holding to his father’s pant, the description given to Fajuyi’s false act of refusing to leave Ironsi’s side could have pale in comparison.

Lt. Cols Fajuyi and Ariyo were combatants of Yoruba stock who earned my respect. Fajuyi was targeted for his alleged involvement with January 15, 1966 coup.

Meldrick:
he he he I laugh in Swahili.
Ojukwu was the cause of his problems. Who told you he stood up for his people? He is an experienced soilder and he knew there was no way he could win that war. He offered all his people to be slaughtered like chickens and he fled. The blood of those innocent slain Igbo people are on his hands.

You can laugh in Yoruba, Ijo, Efik, Edo, Urhobo, Itsekiri, Fulde, Hausa, Tiv, Igala, Idoma. Nupe or Kanuri, you made no sense with the phrase about Ojukwu being experienced soldier.

Baring the enormous aide from Britain, USSR, Cameroun, Niger, Chad, Egypt and Arab League of Nations, Nigeria's numerical strength notwithstanding, Gowon and Nigeria could not have defeated Biafra.

If Ojukwu did not stand up for Ndigbo in particular and easterners in general, he would have died by now. This could not be said about those who fought against Biafra and even younger than Ojukwu that are dropping like dried leaves from a tree. Ojukwu will attend all of their funerals. Nemesis shall greet all loonies who had blood of Biafrans in their hands.

T9ksy:
Posted by: Dede1
Dede, i will ignore your sarcasm as i know u just can't help urself. At any rate, i wrote up there is not rocket science. Like my people says "what d young man cannot see standing, a wise old man can see sitting down".

Things worked in the various regions before the mishap of '66 when Ironsi gave us centralised govt.

My initial post was more of a compliment than sarcasm. You were really impressive with the piece. However, they say Leopard can not change its spots.

Ironsi did not give you centralized government as he left the regions alone. It was your Godfather, Gowon, who introduced centralized government by breaking the country in states with powerful central government.