₦airaland Forum

Ayowumie:
SECONDED!!!
[b]Do you mean as a Commander-in-chief, he should have allowed Biafra to be seceded from Nigeria. Pls go and read the history of the Union of America. What makes the US great today is the fact the Unions were held together. Pls read American War of Secession.
You had better blamed Ojukwu for playing kites with lives of his kins men by embarking on an already lost war of secession.[/b]Gowon is a rogue. He is not better than any of them. The fact that he is not contesting for any political office doesnt make him a saint. I see him more as a political love-peddler. He is always silent on pressing national issues only resurface when there is high profile political-inclined dinner as well as luncheon.

I have to agree with all your postulations except the references about Union of America (USA) and Ojukwu. The inhabitants of USA were relatively the same people with prevalent SINGLE DOMINANT CULTURE which was and still is ENGLISH. In Nigeria, there was noting remotely close to what was /is obtained in USA.

It is rather unfortunate you would want us to blame Ojukwu for Nigeria/Biafra war. Ojukwu stood for Nigeria if only the Ogundipe who was second-in-command assumes the position of Head of State. Unlike Gowon, Ojukwu did not take part in the coups of 1966. Unlike Gowon, Ojukwu did not encourage the massacre of Ndigbo in the other regions of Nigeria baring eastern region. Ojukwu did not issue orders to the 1st Area command of Nigerian army to launch military attack on eastern region of Nigeria. If standing up for his people against aggressors is the fault of Ojukwu, I had worn it as badge of honor.

T9ksy:
Listen Guys, if we want to be honest with each other, the brits didn't create Nigeria to work. we are different people with different values, custom, history, language etc . How can we then be one nigeria? its like putting the french, the brits and the germans in one area and then say, let's have a united country.

Our founding fathers did not believe in one nigeria. they just knew it ain't gonna work. Look around africa and what do you see? From sudan to congo, From ethopia to Malawi. From Nigeria to Zimbabwe, its the same system of divide and rule in existence. Look at the hutus and the tutsi- they were one and same people until the belgians classifies them into 2 groups just to make it easier for them to rule over the people. Now, decades after gaining independence from the belgians, the people are still killing each other. when the hutus are in power, they massacre the tutsis and vice versa.


Look at us, 50 yrs after independence and we 're still at each other's throats. the igbos hates the yorubas and vice versa, ditto igbos and hausa ati bebelo. instead of wasting our emotional, natural and human resources trying to get one over the other group, why don't we revert back to how it was, before '66- federalism? let each region take care of its own development. that's is if we have to be One Nigeria.

This centralised form of govt. ain't working and it won't work, not in a million years of sunday. Now the igbos want a shot at the the presidency, come 2015 and rightly so. Afterall, they are Nigerians, ain't they? Herein lies our quandary. the nation was built on mediocrity hence we are not going anywhere, fast.

Are we really that dumb? Africa is blessed with loads of mineral and human resources. There is enough to go round, so why then are we killing each other whilst outsiders come in and take our resources away to cater for their own people? The same system they used to carry away millions of our forefathers into slavery is still being utilised, extantly. we are all blacks- the original inhabitants of this planet Earth. Enough of this "my tribe is better than yours". if we can't live together, let's go our seperate ways. Haba! afterall we 're not siamese twins. even they (albeit co-joined by nature) were seperated by nuture and went on to live seperate and fulfilling lives.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did the doctor change your medication overnight? I could not believe such a well thought out article, especially the first paragraph, could come from you. T9ksy, you have earned your stripe.

Congregation of murderous bastar-ds

koruji:
I don't know about Ndigbo, but any military takeover in Nigeria will start a fire the military would wish they had not started! It won't matter which ethnic group is in the presidency.

Did you think before writing these statements? Ndigbo will not go to war because a Nigerian president of Igbo stock was overthrown. However, Ndigbo will go to war if people of Igbo stock are massacred in any part of the country and if such heinous act is supported by the government in power.

By the way in the context of Nigeria, we have already known them by their roots.

Onlytruth:
Are you even following Dede1's point at all? He says that if GEJ rigs the polls (as he may be planning), he loses legitimacy which makes coup against his government a fair game. That is what I understand by his statements.

I wonder which is worse anyway: a stolen mandate or a coup. I think both are the same thing.

Bros, most of the contributors are blinded to unfounded sentiments borne out of foolishness. It beats my imagination why certain persons will support a candidate who had flouted his/her party’s clause. If somebody is not law-abiding, he or she can not fight for eradication of corruption and graft.

koruji:
If you read me carefully you will see that I did not disagree with your entire thesis. If we are to talk absolute truth - all our current politicians are pen robbers by omission or commission.

What I also know is that you tend to the extremes, and that is what you recommended by asking a soldier to overthrow a democratically elected government (no matter how flawed the election), and then you added that such a soldier should not be held responsible for treason - which would be the charge in a sane country.

Hence I said you want armed robbers (coupists) to deal with pen robbers (our politicians, note not saints), and then let loose the armed robbers in the treasury i.e. according to you such a soldier must not be held liable for the offence of overthrowing a government.

I can not recall any rigged election as democratically conducted hence such government is subject to overthrow. If Nigeria is really a country as oppose to its status as colonial cesspit, the appointment of JEGA as chairman of INEC by GEJ should be challenged in court.

There is nothing independent about INEC since GEJ is a contestant in election that will be conducted by INEC headed by an appointee of GEJ. Do you not see a conflict of interest? Does Nigeria not have a conflict of interest code? Anyway, how could GEJ notice a conflict of interest when he is no respecter of law? Laws are meant to be respected by everybody. Extreme situation requires extreme measures. If GEJ rigs himself into power as he planning to do, I say he should be overthrown by any known force.

[quote author=Aloy+Emeka link=topic=514296.msg6768313#msg6768313 date=1284688200]Dede is running his mouth wide since tpia retired from tribalism. When tpia was an active tribalist, Dede used to hide his head whenever she unleash her tribal nukes.[/quote]Fictitious rumors, innuendos and tribal baiting are not my stock of trade. However, I shall engage anybody on the issues of recorded events as they pertain from the era of Protectorates, Independence and Nigeria/Biafra civil war. I think lady Tpia knows my record too well on this board. While at it, I have no intention to hold back the truth.

koruji:
No, it takes a keen "market-woman" with a bull-whip at the ready to know a heedless goat.

Which one are you; a heedless goat or keen market-woman? Remember this heedless goat phrase stems from you

koruji:
@Dede1
So in your world let's call on the armed robber to show the pen robber out the door, and then let the armed robber loose in the treasury. Sound reasoning and solution finding right there, my friend  

I wrote that nairaland pundits, including your very self, had developed a pattern of logic or lack thereof which had tagged every previous holder of political executive position in Nigeria as a thief. By this standard, Goodluck Ebele Jonathan is a thief. In addition, he has no regards for statutory code. I used the overthrow scenario to highlight the fact that any person can flout the codes and ordinances as GEJ did with section 7-2 C of PDP’s constitution.

I know most Nigerians who had found themselves in the corridor of power within the jungle called Nigeria are thieves, including GEJ, but I could have supported him if he had sought to run under the umbrella of another party instead of PDP. In fact, GEJ has no morals period.

In the neck of my wood, any dude who flouts neighborhood ordinance can not contest local council election.

I guess it takes a heedless goat to know another.

GEJ is a very bad example for every Nigerian. He has been deputy governor, governor of a state, vice president and presently president of Nigeria. According to the precedent set by nairaland pundits, these positions qualified him as a thief. If all the former state governors and heads of state have been adjudged as thief by supporters of GEJ, I conclude that GEJ is equally a thief and has no regard for rules and regulations.

Having flouted the section 7-2 C of PDP’s constitution by allegedly declaring his intention to contest for 2011 Nigerian presidential election, he has lost the pedigree to lecture civil obedience to pupils in kindergarten.

If he rigs himself into power, I suggest he should be overthrown. Any soldier or group of soldiers who participated in kicking him out of the office should not be held responsible for breaking any statutory code.

sbeezy8:
LOL how can igbo control the midwestern region? are there no urhobos, edos,, ijaws, isokos, itsekiris? itsnt that the reason why a midwestern region was made?

LOL so when non igbo deltans say igbo wanted to control them- they were right i guess.

You are suddenly showing signs of intellectual decline. Stay away from T9ksy who is bent on twisting truth into falsehood.

asha 80:
I hope you know that this picture is Micheal okpara square in enugu and not eagles square abuja.

The despicable act of treachery, such as showing Okpara square in place of Eagle Square, is the reason I am weary about these so-called southerners in Nigeria. They have perfected that act of treachery. Baring Igbo, Ibibio, Annag and Ogoni, I shall never vote for any southern Nigerian candidate. Also, I shall never expose my back to southern Nigerians who is not a member of ethnic group numerated above in case of organized chaos in jungle called Nigeria.

Olaolufred:
Dede1,

I am always baffled at your hide and seek game.

Bumps online and hide offline in two minutes.

If an outsider once betray you, must your immediate family continue to betray you in resonance?

Remember, that If you agree together, you will be stronger than be always in diversity.

Said my own. But that is the truth that applies anytime anyday.

I am a very busy person who navigates to this site when the schedule permits. Within the rims of your capacity to articulate, you consciously formulated the words such as reason, Igbo, marginalized and betrayal. You also stung them up in a sentence to convey your ridiculous thought.

I guess you should be the person to explain to us who has Ndigbo betrayed. While you on it, I would like to remind you that it is the same Ndigbo whom your forbearers, Goodluck Jonathan and IBB teamed up to fight in a war of attrition. When did your partner in crime, northern region politicians and soldiers, become an enemy

Olaolufred:
The reason Igbo is being maginalized is this-- Betrayal.

Sometimes for Money, sometimes for Kinds and sometimes for pride.

A kingdom divided against itself can not stand.

On this post, Kobojunki has led the opposition.

At the end of 100 posts, there will be no quorum.

That is what other regions keep capitalizing on.

When will this trend change?

Ndigbos marginalization stems from the defeat of Biafra as a result of Nigeria/Baifra civil war. I am not surprised that a loudmouthed son of backstabber, betrayal artist and inherent coward would have the audacious pedigree to associated Ndigbo with a word such as betray.

T9ksy:
Dede, r u blind and can't u read?
[color=#990000]Another blatant lie by the GOC. Who were the mutineers in charge of Ibadan? Cap. Nwobosi, the leader of the Ibadan group and his men were all arrested on arrival at dodan barracks at 0700hrs on the morning of jan. 15th, 1966. Infact, by 0700 hrs on that same day (15th jan., 1966), the coup had all but failed in the south but here we have the GCO misinforming the cabinent ministers on the 16th of Jan. at 1830hrs that he had been unable to suppress the rebellion. [/color]



Posted by: Dede1
Dede, Ironsi did not state that he HAD CRUSHED THE COUP RATHER HE LIED THAT HE WAS UNABLE TO CRUSH THE MUTINEERS. WHICH PART OF HIS LIE DO YOU FIND DIFFICULT TO GRAPPLE WITH?

I guess you should endeavor to write your story on what you know about era in discuss and stop coping and pasting disjointed and conjectural craps with no intellectual value.

Please if you have intention to copy and paste article, I suggest you do so with full context of the piece showing the chronicle order of events. If you can not produce easy out of your knowledge of the facts, please stop making a fool out of your self. 

I really wonder if you can see and read. Even your endeavors are self-deprecating. for example, coup stated in night of Jan 15, 1966 and yet your post had stated that “by 0700hrs of Jan 15, 1966 the coup has but failed in south”. Keep digging to safe face from unfounded cowardice.

T9ksy:
Quote from: sbeezy8 on Today at 03:14:53 AM

In 1948, Abubakar Tafewa Balewa attended Nigeria Executive Council meeting for the first time northern Nigeria was represented, he (Abubakar) had this message from Ahmadu Bello, “ I come to warn southern Nigeria who behave as though they want to dominate Nigeria’s politics, especially the Igbos, who pour into the north as invaders and not as visitors. If the Igbos continue to pour into the north as invaders, we (north) shall be compelled to dip the Quran into the sea”.

Thanks sbeezy8 for the above quote. I love it.

@Komando,

so u get along fine with the North,huh. No wonder, they have been killing you people as far back as 1953. Your fathers have really filled your heads will BS.

And forgot about defending Nairaland, try defending your people if you can. When confronted with superior arguments, you resort to gutter language. Its your stock in trade so am not surprised. I refuse to descend into the gutter with you but will be here, no shaking, ready to punch holes in all your mind-bogglling lies. keep it coming. hear the man, "the North loves the igbos"! Of course, they do ke!! That must have been why they started the pogrom after their revenge coup! i can't believe you actually wrote the above quote, gosh, head shaking! U ought to donate your brain to prosperity,

Ignorance is bliss. Also, an ill-educated person is worse than illiterate. At least, I think an illiterate is redeemable. If both of you ( sbeezy8 and T9ksy) did not understand the smoke screen from the statement accredited to Tafawa Balewa, you are worse than your forbearers who never tried to stop Balewa but helped him carry the Quran to Atlantic through Lagos.

Northern region and Balewa tried to confiscate the National Bank owned by WNDC, the attempt was stopped by an Igbo judge who ruled against Tafawa Balewa government. The Balewa government took over western region of Nigeria with help of Yoruba sons and squashed any opposition by hauling Awolowo to prison.

I should remind you that Yoruba was Chief Justice of the Republic of Nigeria, Attorney-General, Chief Judge of the High Court and chief government prosecution witness as Awolowo, his cronies and western region of Nigeria was dealt a political knockout blow in 1962.

The high-powered government operatives of Balewa government had planed to send Awo to the Nigerian Prison in Bauchi so that the northern region will put a finishing touch to Awo’s already broken soul. An Igbo jurist intervened to have Awo send to Nigerian Prison in Calaber in eastern region of Nigeria where Quran could not reach. 
The Igbo chap had known the Awo was a born backstabber and treacherous political artist, he would allowed the Balewa to finish off Awo in1962.

T9ksy: Posted by: Dede1

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It appears you are the person having comprehensible problem. NPC ministers approached their godfathers, in this case British, for military aide and they were informed by British undersecretary that such request had to come from Prime Minister. At this juncture, Ironsi informed them such endeavor was too late and the coup had been crushed. Was the coup not crushed as Ironis stated? Please, for the sake of argument, could you help us understand how Ironsi lied about the coup been crushed?

Haba Dede, did you bother to read the link Bk posted at the beginning of this thread 'cause I can't seem to construe where you got the bolded part from?  Anyway, incase, you were too lazy to read the whole text or just couldn't comprehend the content, here's an excerpt for you to peruse, all over again:


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I (Shehu Shagari), was about to break the Ramadan fast on Sunday 16th January, when all ministers were asked to report to the Cabinet Office at 6.30 pm. (Around this time Majors Ifeajunna & Okafor were already on their way to Ghana after having already had tea with the premier of eastern region. all the other coupists in the south were rounded up by 07:00am, that same morning at Ironsi's command.). The whole premises was surrounded by soldiers in battle order that some of us initially hesitated to enter. In the Cabinet chamber were Major General Ironsi, Bukar Dipcharima and Ibrahim Tako Galadima. There were no officials present.

Major General Ironsi admitted to us that he had been unable to suppress the rebellion, which he said was getting out of hand. He stated that the mutineers were in control of Kaduna, Kano and Ibadan, and had killed two regional premiers, Sir Ahmadu Bello and Chief Akintola. They had also murdered a number of his best officers, including Brigadiers Maimalari and Samuel Adesujo Ademulegun, the Commander 1st Brigade Headquarters in Kaduna. Ironsi was full of emotion and even shed some tears. When we asked him about the whereabouts of Sir ABubakar and Chief Okotie-Eboh, he said he still did not know but averred efforts were being made to locate them. At this stage Mbadiwe broke down and kept crying: “Please where is the Prime Minister?” 
When we reminded Major-General Ironsi if he needed to avail himself of the British pledge of assistance, he replied it was too late as the army was pressing him to assume power. Indeed, he confessed his personal reluctance to take over because of his ignorance of government; but insisted the boys were adamant and anxiously waiting outside. He advised it would be in our interest, and that of the country, to temporarily cede power to him to avert disaster. Accordingly, we acceded to his request since we had no better alternative. Ironsi then insisted that the understanding be written.


At least, one thing Ironsi was right about was his ignorance of govt. which eventually culminated in his demise.  The man was a bare-faced liar!

Did you consciously write this conjectural crap? I hope you do not commit suicide with this self-indictable endeavor. If the coup was not crushed as Ironsi had stated, why would coup plotters on their way to Ghana? Were they going to Ghana for military assistance or safe hideout?

I do not want to sound as alarmist but many Ndigbo are behaving like Ironsi. If any person takes northern region of Nigeria for granted, he/she stands to regret it. The preparedness of Ndigbo in the event of spiral of arms during or after 2011 Nigerian presidential election gives me serious concern. Ndigbo must not be lured to sleep because our enemies are abound and plentiful.

This board is filled with loudmouthed punks from the southern Nigeria whose main beef is accusing any leader of being a thief. I guess Goodluck Ebele Jonathan will soon become a thief too.

T9ksy:
Dede, I believe you having problem comprefending my post. My premise is that the 1st coup was an igbo coup with the sole purpose of taking over power from the North either democratically or militarily. As it transpired, they done it thru Ironsi but as we now heard, the civilian govt did not "voluntarily" handed over power to Ironsi. He took it at gun-point.

As per the british aid, I never said Ironsi solicitted for their aid rather the remaining members of NPC did to which Ironsi lied to them that it was too late for that and they have to hand over power to him NOW to enable him to foil the coup when he knew that the coup was practically over.

However way you wanna cut it, the igbos carried out the 1st coup in the country whereby both top military and civilian personnel frpom other regions were wasted whilst none from their region was touched. However, we are supposed to b elieve that the coup was a national one, which just coincidentally ended up with an igbo leader.

You guys are just too bloody smart for your own good!!! U ought to form your own nation and turn it into el dorado!!!

It appears you are the person having comprehensible problem. NPC ministers approached their godfathers, in this case British, for military aide and they were informed by British undersecretary that such request had to come from Prime Minister. At this juncture, Ironsi informed them such endeavor was too late and the coup had been crushed. Was the coup not crushed as Ironis stated? Please, for the sake of argument, could you help us understand how Ironsi lied about the coup been crushed?

Solomon227:
I am not going to stop until I am disgraced!

You are about to get your wish, pal.

Katsumoto:
We have come full circle; why do you then have a problem with NPC nominating dipcharima as he must have been nominated in the same manner in which Balewa was nominated? That is the point I have been making all along. NPC had the right to select one of its members and put such a nominee to its coalition partners which it did. It also expected that its partners would respect the agreement which they had at the last election; an agreement that was put to a premature end by sons belonging to the tribe to which most of its major partner belong to.

This is not rocket science Dede1. You appear to be duplicitous right now. You are of the opinion that the coup was not a tribal one yet you argue that the region which lost its illustrious sons to a plot hatched and executed by sons of another rival region should accept their loss as well as their positions going to the region which planned the coup.

I do not know what you are talking about. The amalgam of my entire argument remained the coalition partners did not agree on the candidates nominated for the position of Prime Minister hence the political impasse that led to handing over power to the GOC of Nigerian Armed Forces.  However, there are brigades of revisionists, including you my pal, that would want us believe NPC nominated Zana Dipcharima as Prime Minister and he was rejected by the Acting President. The fact remains, according to procedural protocol, the coalition partners were not able to accept either of the nominees as Prime Minister.   


The bolded part of your post is rather unfortunate. Even you of all peoel had to stoop this low to write such a thing. Granted the majority of officers were Igbo and rightful so because of the superior percentage of Igbo chaps that constituted officer’s cadre of Nigerian Armed forces, the coup was a machination of Nigerian army.

Spyker:
This is a worldwide shame. How can people sell their conscience for peanuts. In developed nations, once you are accused of corruption, you resign your position immediately and defend yourself of the allegation. Here in Nigeria, it is the opposite, each time the word corruption springs up, you hear people saying it is politically motivated. When the bank chiefs were being investigated, we heard it is a northern agenda. When are we going to face the music of the law without adding sentiments to it.

Bunch of senseless idiots who have sole their future for peanuts. I am very much ashame of my State and the what the Government is doing. If the Rivers State Government think it is not guilty, why not present your officials to the EFCC and let them into your books.

Only the guilty cries foul when no body has said anything.

This post is hilarious and downright regrettable. Are you including Nigeria as one of the developed nations by any stretch of imagination

Katsumoto:


Of course NCNC had Yoruba sons in its fold. That does not detract from the fact that most Igbos were in the NCNC. How many Igbos were in the AG or NPC? I see you stylishly avoided the point I made - NCNC was not present when NPC chose Balewa nor was NPC present when NCNC selected Zik. Did the liberal democrats select David Cameron or did the Tory party select Nick Clegg? NCNC had no business with the choice of NPC even if he was the most junior member of the house.

Do not be smart with me. When the parties agreed to partner in the coalition government, the parties selected committee from the coalition partners to decide the distribution of posts of Governor-general, Prime Minister, Ranking Minister, Ministers, Junior Ministers, President of Senate, Speaker of the House, Majority Whip, Deputy Majority Whip and Chairman of Parliamentary Committees.

All nominees must be acceptable to the coalition partners or no nomination. Sometimes, the coalition partners will have to settle for a compromise candidate.

As I iterated in my previous posts, all nominees might not be acceptable to coalition partners. My stand has been collaborated by statement accredited to Shehu Shagari. NPC nominated Zana Zipcharima while NCNC nominated KO Mbadiwe who was a Ranking Minister.

T9ksy:
Posted by: Katsumoto

Exactly! According to Shagari and I quote "They had apparently been caucusing at Dr. Mbadiwe’s residence. He (Mbadiwe) was their choice of acting Prime Minister. This was naturally unacceptable to us since the NPC was the major governing party."[color=#990000][/color]

I guess, it was a win/win situation for the igbos hence when they could not get it thru the civilian govt. they went thru the military and Ironsi was handed the govt , at gunpoint. Hmmmmmmm, how ingenious!!!
Pity, they didn't count on the northerners staging a revenge coup!

Bravo! Bravo!! Bravo!!! It appears today is being reserved for the truants. I guess you did not mean to shot your self on the foot. I blame Katsumoto for encouraging all manner of people to post crap. If you were smarter, you should not have posted this self-deprecating post. Of course, parties in coalition government must agree on one nominee for the post of Prime Minister before the President of the country or President of Senate had to accept such nomination.

I suggest you continue the exploratory research and you should meet with the fact that Ironsi did not request any military assistance from the British. The alleged British military assistance in your previous and spiteful post was made by the coalition ministers from NPC and British undersecretary flatly informed them that such request must come from the Prime Minister.

Katsumoto:
Don't try to be smart.

When NPC and NCNC decided to form a government both parties would have nominated their representatives in isolation and then trash out the details. I am sure that NPC selected Balewa to be PM while NCNC selected Zik. Zik, subsequently became Governor-general with Balewa becoming PM. There is no way NCNC would have selected Balewa.

Also, should NCNC seek to benefit from the actions of the coup-plotters if it was not a party to their actions? You can't have it both ways. The actions of NCNC implicitly point to an agenda. If the East did not support or was a party to the actions of the plotters, then it should simply have allowed Dipcharima to become PM. Perhaps, that might have saved lives.

Wow!!!!!!!!! If I had not read palatable stuffs from you before this crap, I would discontinued this discuss. Are you insinuating that leadership of NCNC was exclusively Igbo affair and from eastern region of Nigeria? Pal, please I have to remind you NCNC was adjudged as the only party with national pedigree. The party’s leadership paraded solid Yoruba stalwarts such as Ogunsanya, Akinfosele, Ransome-Kuti, TOS Besaon etc. I pity Nigeria.

Katsumoto:
Why the disappointment? I merely informed BK/Babe that we have had this discussion before. Does your post cause you embarrassment? Like I stated previously, NPC had every right to nominate Dicharima even if he was a junior minister. After Margaret Thatcher was sent packing in 1990, there were several higher MPs than John Major in the Tory hierarchy such as Norman Lamont, Michael Heseltine, Ken Clarke but guess who became PM. Similarly, after the sudden death of John Smith in 1994, Tony Blair became the Leader of the Labour Party despite being very junior in the party.

Leaving that argument aside, the NPC had the right to elect the PM under the same arrangement that brought NPC/NCNC to government. If NCNC agreed for Zik to serve under a man who was no where near his equal, why couldn't Mbadiwe do the same? It just smarked of cheap opportunism on the part of NCNC to attempt to nominate the PM; was it because NCNC felt that it had the edge as the coup-plotters had decimated the ranks of Northern political and military establishment?

I apologise if you take offense to me quoting you.

I do not care who NPC ministers in coalition government elected to lead NPC. The issue in discuss is the nomination of Prime Minister by NPC ministers in a coalition government without their coalition partners from NCNC. Whether Zana Dipcharima is junior or senior should not be issue if only Dipcharima was nominated by the caucus of ministers from both coalition partners. Again, we are not deliberating on party hierarch but caucusing coalition partners to produce Prime Minister.

Pal, I think am quotable and take it as compliment if my texts were lifted to correctly direct the undiscerning audience.

Katsumoto:
I have had this debate with Dede1, OnlyTruth, and Eziachi in the past.

One instance below and can't be assed to find others.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-403790.128.html

Quote from: Katsumoto on February 26, 2010, 06:14 PM
Dede1
That is not what the debate is about. The position you stated above is wrong for the following reasons:
1. NCNC and NPC had an agreement and formed a coalition.
2. Igbo officers killed non-Igbo members of government. If you want to argue that it was not an Igbo coup, should Igbo sons now work towards ensuring that the other party to the agreement remain side-lined?
3. The co-existence of all tribes in Nigeria was predicated on a fragile balance. Arguing that the President, Prime Minister, Senate President, and GOC of the Armed Forces should all be Igbo/Eastern does amount to domination of other tribes by the Igbo.
4. My argument was always that after the actions of the Igbo officers, the action of the NCNC to ignore the agreement with the NPC is what gave credence to the belief that it was an Igbo coup and this is what led to the counter-coup of July 1966. It would have been difficult to argue that it was an Igbo coup if Ironsi foiled the coup, tried and executed the plotters immediately, and Orizu had maintained the balance of power and existing agreement by handing over to Dipcharima. Think about it for a minute or two
5. This debate is not about who was best for the job. We have seen that they were all clowns (Zik, Awo, Sardauna) and their actions have led Nigeria down the wrong path.

Dede1's reply

Quote from: Dede1 on February 26, 2010, 07:36 PM
I perfectly understood your plank of the argument which makes sense to anybody who is unpatriotic toward Nigeria and tend to kick unity and oneness to the curb.

I do not think that this debate would change your mindset as you repeatedly stated that your argument hinges of Igbo officers taking over power. The last time I checked though, Igbo was not a country and had no standing army. The overthrow of Balewa government was precipitated by Nigerian armed forces period.

NPC members knew that coalition government between two parties detected that the senior partner produces the Prime Minister and junior partner produces the Ranking Minister who is, all intents and practical purposes, de facto deputy Prime Minister. If not for the issue of deep mistrust and a country created out of colonial machination, the idea of NPC ministers caucusing to select Dipcharima as PM without the coalition partners was wrong and unacceptable.

It is even pathetic that the ministers knew who deputizes for PM in certain occasions. The Ranking Minister would have become the acting PM and when situation is under control would work with the President and ministers in council to appoint another PM from the north probably Dipcharima because he was an NCNC member before joining NPC. The action of NPC ministers pointed to the thought process that northern political elites have always arrogated to themselves that the act of ruling Nigeria is their birth right with wholesome support from few deluded southern political elites.

I have never argued about who was the best or more educated in terms of European or western education for the job of Prime Minister. If educational qualification was the yard stick, there was no northern politician that would have landed a position of minister without portfolio talk less substantives minister.

I am disappointed in you because I thought we had an intelligible discussion and believed you are a considerable rung above some of the morons on this board on intelligent scale. Also, I presumed you know as much as I do that Nigeria ran parliamentary system of government. It must recall that after the election of 1959, there was no party with clear majority of electoral success. There was no single contesting party such as NPC, NCNC or AG that could produce Prime Minister without a coalition partner.

As I have stated in the reply to our previous debate with regard to the scheme of things in the era in discuss, Zana Dipcharima was a junior minister in the coalition and could not have been elected Prime Minister in the midst of ministers from NCNC as a partner in Tafawa Balewa’s government. It is only in the world of inarticulate dunces that ministers from one coalition partner in any government will caucus to nominate a Prime Minister without other partners in the coalition government.

The reason Nigeria will never see success is hedged on embarrassing disingenuous behaviors. It is unfortunate the spiteful and idiotic article from the goofy poster did not inform the undiscerning audience that while coalition ministers from NPC were caucusing to nominate a Prime Minister, coalition ministers from NCNC were also caucusing to nominate Prime Minister in this case KO Mbadiwe who was the ranking minister beside Tafawa Balewa. 

Granted the chaotic situation in the country, Senate President or the acting President could not accept the either of the nominated Prime Ministers from different section of the coalition partners. Nwafor Orizu could have called for dissolution of the government since there was a political impasse between coalition partners in government and request for new general election. But the situation in the country did not warrant for such move and next best move was to hand over the power to GOC of Nigerian army.

Olaolufred:
Ken Nnamani is the only Igbo Politician I revered up till now.

If he is making a speech to sell Babangida, then I am hugely dissappointed.

The meaning would be,If his action is true, then the Igbos may not rule this Country as President.

My Observation: If Ken, the only Igbo Man standing could fall yakata like this, there is none to trust again from that arena.

Don't know what Informs his decision, but it appears that whether in cash or kind, any Igbo man is buy-able.

Sorry, not for abuse. but a bit of letting out the hurt of dissappointment.

This is a machination of fool’s delight. If you have forgotten pal, any form of socio-political trust in the jungle called Nigeria died in 1966.

Any true born Igbo person who dreams to become president of cesspit called Nigeria is a redundant fool.

Masterful creature of Igbo heritage must never cease to articulate the means of unconditional disintegration of Nigeria.

ziddy:
Ndigbo on Nairaland (EzeUche, komando, Onlytruth, Dede1, etc) will never acknowledge the bizarre power relationship between them & the North. Instead they continue to whine about how they were betrayed by Yorubas on the eve of the civil war and how Yorubas are dirty & evil people.

The North has been giving you guys an.al sex    since the counter-coup in '66 & they continue to do so till tomorrow. Better wake up & smell the coffee.

Talk is cheap and worst when it comes from a person who knows much about an.al sex. Ndigbo could be many things, I guess political treachery is definitely not one of them. If Ndigbo decide not to support the political campaign of Goodluck Ebele Jonathan, there is no doubt Jonathan will loose the election.

It is has been a natural occurrence such as the day which follows the night that Ndigbo and its allies in eastern region of Nigeria had constituted a clog in the wheels of political machine Tafawa Balewa boasted of dipping Quran into Atlantic.

When issue of sensitive political matters reared it ugly head in Nigeria, Ndigbo do not give a hoot what southwest or the so-called south-south political zone think about it. The cases in point were the 1967 civil war and 1999 Nigerian presidential election.