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raumdeuter:
77m Americans of voting age do not care about your fake moral outrage they went out and chose Trump twice

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And by this, you show your second metric for your values after the first (success).
The second, by your confession is popularity, or lets say fame.

So if one is successful and famous or popular, one is a great human and thats that.

Interesting.

Just bear in mind that these apply to several horrible men in history.

raumdeuter:
All these are emotional spazzing out

Was Clinton a horrible person was Obama was Bush

Are you?

Why dont you remove the spec in your eyes first

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Look I am tired of this same response to everything. Repeating "emotional" ten times a day gets boring.

raumdeuter:
Of the millions of Americans that have lived Trump is one of the few who was voted by his people to rule them twice. Obama Bush and Clinton too

So what makes Trump a horrible person? Besides your emotional projections

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So you agree that Obama and Clinton are also great people, by your value system which says that all successful people are fantastic people.

raumdeuter:
Of the millions of Americans that have lived Trump is one of the few who was voted by his people to rule them twice. Obama Bush and Clinton too

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Only a few hundred have attempted.

So what makes Trump a horrible person? Besides your emotional projections

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Being a racist, a r a p i s t, a pathological liar (probably the most prolific in history), a murderer, a fraudster among a few other things.

Budaatum. Back to the infinite regress. I argued it was impossible. Just came across a video where someone tries to put it differently and i wondered if it could help make the point clearer.

In this very short clip, listen to the second argument made. He says that if you are asked to start from negative infinity and arrive at zero, you would never make it.

Do you see the point? Do you also see why this is actually the same argument I made?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/faNoCuMD8JY

benalvino3:
You sound lazy 😂😂😂

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Let me tell you something about myself. I love conversation. Serious, intellectually stimulating conversation. I love worthwhile debates too. It is a tonic to me. If you are observant you will see that I am happy to write epistles if I feel its useful. You guys just dont encourage anyone to bother. Half the time if one sits down to put in the effort for a really thorough post, you suddenly fall silent, which is very telling.

I know who is intellectually lazy and even incapable on this thread.

And oh, much of what you say is truly so comical that it would be stupid of me to address.

raumdeuter:
I join you to laugh too at welfare UK that are falling behind.

The new world order might actually exclude Europe, they are the "I get am before" old takers whose best years were 60yrs ago

No wonder they are the laughing stock of all

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Blaming their welfare system is a joke.

It is what makes those countries the best in the world till today.

raumdeuter:
Horrible human beings how? All those emotional talks. What makes him horrible. His countrymen love him to vote him twice

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I said many horrible humans beings are also successful. Do you deny that?

Abi you need examples like Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hernan Cortez, Talleyrand, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, the Medicis, I can go on forever.

In short I am saying being successful does not say anything about you being a person of values. You could be the devil himself.

Looks like your value system is all about success. Because when I pointed out that DJT is a convicted fraud, you sought solace in the same success of being elected twice. This discloses a disturbing pattern about your values.

If this is your value system, then please you should also celebrate Obama, Clinton, etc since they are successful people as well.

raumdeuter:
You tell us why every economy is leaving the welfare UK behind and they are now the joke

Like the leftist you will probably have something to blame

China embraced free market economy that do not celebrate being welfare queens

Thats why China has jumped in the past 30yrs and UK are laughing stocks

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Hahahahahahahahahahaha !



This is too funny and absurd to engage with. Sorry.

benalvino3:
Deepsight himself is a racist wrapped in victimhood

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HN go to your room.

raumdeuter:
That is because he has been hard done by, despite that he has been a successful man by many metrics. He is a billionaire and a 2 time president

Very few people can lay claim to that

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And oh, the list of successful people who were truly horrible human beings is very lengthy.

raumdeuter:
Why did US become 10 times the GDP of the UK

In 1940 the US economy was about 3 times that of the UK

So what happened in the past 80yrs that make it times 10.

Maybe that is the evidence that operating a nanny economy slows your growth. When you dish out welfare out instead of people producing more, they scramble to micro divide the pie

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Lol, so when you compare the UK to say China, you would also say that the reason China is so far ahead is because the UK runs a nanny economy?

You are a joker jaare.

raumdeuter:
Personal responsibility that is one word the left is allergic to. They must always be victim of something

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Like Trump?
Name one person living or dead who wails and complains as much as he does that he has been hard done by?

raumdeuter:
Provide the stats to compare the rate of homelessness in the countries

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Why should I?
I already replied you and you never answered -

I said you failed to factor that the USA has an economy ten times bigger than that of the UK.

raumdeuter:
Provide your stat that uses the same metrics for both countries

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Never said so.

budaatum:
Temporarily housed are considered homeless here until permanently housed.

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There we go.
raumdeuter is this the same in the USA?

feedthenation:
---Felon 47 has lost all allies---as he has become toxic even for right-wing populists---after the Orbán’s defeat in Hungary, it has became clear that openly supporting Trump can backfire and turn into a huge disservice---

---The U.S. president’s aggressive policy toward Europe and the war in the Middle East have made him toxic even for allies---Marine Le Pen reportedly told her party members to keep their distance from Felon 47---Now many right-wing politicians in Europe are trying not to associate with him in order to avoid losing voters---He has even managed to fall out with Italy's PM Giorgia Meloni, who had been strongly supportive of him---

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He's lost any semblance of a plot.
Being antagonistic to his allies in particular was always a lousy error.

But lousy people tend to do lousy things.

cococandy:
186? There has to be a secret joke in there somewhere.

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I SWEAR ! ! ! ! ! !

It was for real though.

My own conclusion was some sort of money laundering scheme.

cococandy:
Emotional post alert:

These kids getting blown up in this war you guys are clamoring for will definitely end up with some form of disability and/or drug addiction in a decade from now. It’s not a case of if, it’s a case of when.

It will happen when the doctors can’t keep them on pain medication forever because their spinal injury left them in permanent pain. Or when they’re battling depression, PTSD and chronic debilitating anxiety that keeps them from holing down a job .

I hope you guys will remember that when the left wing of the day asks for social safety nets for them and those who will be stuck caring for them. I hope your logical minds can think that far.

Let it not up to be this emotional woman to tell you the natural consequences of certain actions taken today by the leaders you support.

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Well thought, well said.

raumdeuter:
He still won the elections twice. Americans chose him twice

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Why are you repeating this as though it was in contention or as though it erases the convictions?
(And it is worthy of note that he only won the popular vote once).

You said if he was a fraud he would have been convicted. He was convicted. Period.

cococandy:
He always knew Trump was wrong.

I don’t even think he truly bought the propaganda

He’s just deeply misogynistic and to such people, a terrible man is better than good woman any day.

Let’s have this election again in 2032 after a nuclear war caused by Trump with a quarter of the world dead, and others suffering from a nuclear fallout, Adam will still choose Trump over a woman.

There are some diseases without cure and misogyny is one of them

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Misogyny? Thats sad if the case.

On a lighter note, I cannot resist sharing these two artworks and their prices -

https://www.nairaland.com/4179140/517-year-old-leonardo-da-vincis-portrait/6#90543747

raumdeuter:
That was lawfare. Thats why he was able to win elections twice

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You said if he was a fraud he would have been convicted.
He was convicted.
Period.

cococandy:
I can see both sides of the argument

A rich person can indulge in their pleasures and still help the less fortunate. Neither of you was in the wrong.

Adam is usually not dvmb but when it came to Trump, a lot of them dumped their common sense.

I think something about supporting a female opposition broke their brains. They couldn’t fathom it.
Therefore a clearly unqualified man was their only choice.

Yet they say they’re logical

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Oh he argued very well, and I had to admit so.

One thing that is scary about the Trump phenomenon is how otherwise intelligent people appear to suddenly throw away their brains for Trumpism and Trumpist hoaxes. I have seen even people I almost revere in terms of intellect succumb to this and it is just dumbfounding.

If LordAdam16 has seen the error of his ways that is a good thing because in my experience it is rare for a Trumpist to ever retrace their steps. The cult-like hold is as hard and fast as those cults where mass suicides occurred.

raumdeuter:
If he was then he would have been convicted

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Has your memory failed you? Is he not a convict? 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree - is what?

raumdeuter:
They dont want to cut fraud and waste. With the huge welfare comes with Fraud and abuse which the left turn a blind eye to.
They are doing everything to block every attempt at that but just pay more and more of your taxes.

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It always makes me laugh when people think that one of the greatest fraudsters in history - Trump - is fighting fraud and corruption in the USA.

raumdeuter:
This is why I always say away from the emotional rants and feel good virtue signalling, Lets discuss the numbers and the stats

According to Google search. In the US with less welfare a population of 350m, 770k people are homeless = 0.22%
https://endhomelessness.org/state-of-homelessness/

In the UK with a better welfare system, a population of 70m people. there are 382k homeless people = 0.54%
https://england.shelter.org.uk/media/press_release/at_least_382000_people_are_homeless_in_england_today_

In the Canada with a better welfare system, a population of 40m people. there are 230k homeless people = 0.575%
https://homelesshub.ca/collection/homelessness-101/how-many-people-homeless-canada/

I have provided the links for my data so you can factcheck

It shows the US has a lower homeless people per capita than the UK and Canada other developed countries that has better welfarism

Maybe just Maybe welfarism is not the solution to homelessness but actually making the economy more robust, lower taxes and give people means to prosperity and not handout like the US is doing

This is why I kept saying emotional rants do not cut in governance, rather cold hard facts

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This sort of analysis does not take account the massive differential in the wealth of both countries. You are comparing a 30 Trillion Dollar economy to a 3.5 Trillion Dollar Economy. In short the USA is almost ten times as wealthy in GDP and you didnt factor that.

Who is emotional now?

Secondly I would be really interested in what is classed as homeless in both countries.

Because I suspect that the stats are with reference to people the state assists with housing and not with respect to actual people on the streets NOT assisted by the state.

cococandy:
Has anyone seen Lord Adam in these parts since trump’s eff ups began?

That’s the thing with maga. They are so insincere and have no ability to be honorable. When breeze exposes their yansh, they slink away and pretend they never said the things that they did. They don’t apologize or seek to make it right.

Same guy rejoicing that Trump won not that long ago, is on a different thread saying that he’s a pdf and lamba master who should be in a nursing home.

So, would it have killed him to come here and admit he was wrong?

I know that he knew the truth from the beginning and was engaging in bad faith roundabout arguments from the get go. That’s why they’re not worth the time or the effort.

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Interresting!

I remember my only interaction with this fella was years ago when he was arguing with me justifying those who spend absurd millions on random artworks. I think his argument then was that there was financial sense to it as investments. Mine was a bit more on the conscience side of such expenditure in a world with so much poverty and need/ as well as the argument that some of those works were sheer fraud.

It was interesting though.

https://www.nairaland.com/4179140/517-year-old-leonardo-da-vincis-portrait/5#62455950

raumdeuter:
There is already reasonable welfare in the US currently. There is food stamp, there is Section 8 housing among others

How much more welfare do we need ? And how do we pay for it?

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I dont think so when I consider what citizens go through in terms of medical bills and I see that currently a lot of medical aid has been scarpped.
I dont think so when I consider the amount of homeless still on the streets.

I dont think so when I consider the massive gap in protection of the vulnerable between much "poorer" European countries and the USA.

cococandy:
I do feel sorry for you that you will yet encounter another version of him that’s in support of printing money only when Trump does it.

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Standard! ! ! ! ! !

raumdeuter:
The US taxpayers do not wish to pay more taxes they actually want to pay less.

So where will the money come from

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Heaven.

There is nothing explanatory in saying printing money will not lead to inflation. There is no one who will take the first class in economics and not disagree. Its as predictable as gravity

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Is this all you deduced from what I wrote - or wait - did you read what I wrote at all?
Because it does not seem to me that you saw the explanation as to how the position of the dollar in the global fiat money economy reduces the risks of the USA/ the dollar in such matters?

The most intelligent way to assess this is to put a ball park figure to what a reasonable welfare program will cost annually and assess the impact of introducing equivalent money supply into the economy in inflationary terms (considering the global position of the dollar as explained) and then assessing that inflationary risk against the benefits of the welfare programs.

That is what an intellectual will do.

cococandy:
You’re asking maga to reason

Tall ask

Do they have enough common sense to know that crime reduces when hunger at the base level is tackled?

Do they know that healthy happy citizens contribute more to society than overworked drained people?

Do know that in the long run, it’s cheaper to provide preventative measures than chase the aftermath? Be it in healthcare, in schools, infrastructural etc. anything you invest in to prevent deterioration will give you more bang for your buck down the line.

It is more cost effective than rebuilding from scratch or trying to fix a crack that gets to the root. But you’re making too much sense. If you stress him and try to get him to use his brain outside of regurgitating maga nonsense, he might short circuit and blow a fuse.

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Thank you.
Raumdeuter - take note and please come out of the thinking that welfare programs are simply charity or throwing away money or cheating the hardworking in favor of the lazy. Or worse, as you probably secretly think, white people giving away money to unworthy colored people.