₦airaland Forum

budaatum:
Do you know that it is a sin to bear false witness? Why don't you exclude me from your Church for lying then? Or is it not written that in as much as I have broken one law I have broken them all? Please provide evidence for "pedophilai is legal in some religions" !

If you had been following the thread, you will note that the person who claimed Jesus endorsed homosexuality could not provide any evidence to support the claim despite him continously being asked to. Those of us who asked swept him aside, go read what responses he got.

Whether it is a sin or not only applies if I myself were choosing whether to commit the 'sin' or not. The punishment for sin is clearly laid out. If other persons choose to sin and go to hell, please explain to me when I, buda, changed my name to Jesus and decided to shed my blood to save them? Is my duty at best not just to cast my seeds and hope they fall on good soil? And if they don't fall on good soil, am I not told to say "shalom" and shake off their dust as I depart from them?

If my friends are smoking dope, they are not doing so with my lungs or my money so I don't quite see how they are asking me to "endorse, assist" or "accept" their lifestyle. Hopefully, I am friends with them for reasons way more important than the dope they smoke. The mere fact that I am their friends is sufficient for them to respect and have regard for me and not do their smoking in my face. And they are my friends because I respect them and have regard for them despite their weed smoking or sodomising.

They can only be asking me to assist their lifestyle if they ask me to pull down my trousers, bend over and let me fuq you, or ask me for money to buy their weed. And a simple "No thank you" should suffice if they are my friends. Forcing me is against the law! But more importantly, they can't be my friends if they resort to forcing me to do something against my will. And if I don't understand that, then something must definitely be wrong with me, and perhaps I should learn to be more cautious in the choice of friends I keep.

Just imagine if those dope smokers were my boss, would I tell them to resign because I don't like their smoking? Or if they tell me to go do something, should I say, "fuq off dope smoker. Go do it yourself"? If I don't like their lifestyle, I can bloody go work elsewhere, is the only recourse I have, unless their smoking is illegal in which case I call the cops on their ass. Otherwise, it's their lungs and their money and I should mind my own goddamn business! But if I can't, please know that I do have the choice of whom I am friends with and can very easily make them ex-friends if I wish to. The choice is not their's whether they are my friends. That choice is mine!

If my son reports me to his teacher for my not allowing him to wear a girls clothes, then I cannot really be a good parent now, can I? As far as my son should be concerned, I am god, and if my son does not understand "Honour your father and your mother", and "I am a jealous god", then perhaps its time for me to intensify my child's education in the path I want it to follow or just admit I am a crappy parent.

But just think, is the teacher going to come and tell me that I should spend money that I work for on things I do not support? Please be real and stop with the scaremongering! No one can come in my house and insist my son were a pink dress if I don't want him to. No school can ask a child to cross dress either. If you insist on these claims, provide evidence in support please. If my son reports me to his teacher, then my son has decided it wants different parents so the bastard should get the fuq out of my house and go live with it's teacher, and "sayanora ex-son!"

Do note, and I keep saying this but you ignore it. No one is persecuting anyone for their faith. If my faith or my god says smoking dope or performing sodomy is a sin, then no one can force me to commit that sin if I am concerned about my god. But I must understand that it's my god and my faith, and that I too cannot force other people to worship my god or adopt my faith. My god never said I must punish them. It in fact said I should love them despite their sin, and even that I should forgive them 70 times 70 times knowing full well that I would soon lose count and hopefully recognise the errors of my ways in bothering more about the twig in other peoples' eyes but ignoring the forest that is blinding me!

If I think other people commit a sin against my god, I can only tell them. Hopefully, my god keeps better records than I can, and can decide to thunder their ass when their 70 times 70 is up. But knowing my god, whom a day is like a thousand years to, I wouldn't be surprised if it's 70 times 70 is more like 70 million times 70 million. My god can be crazy like that sometimes!

The choice is mine whether I chose to continue engaging with people I judge to be committing sins against my god or not and not their's as you seem to assume. But I myself should be careful of the sin of hubris that makes me think its okay to say "thank you lord that I am not like that sodomiser over there." I might find my own teeth are the ones that are doing the gnashing!

O, and one last thing. I am an atheist, I don't do devils. If gods builds a house, the devils can't move in!

budaatum:
You have been doing very well getting me to use my brain. Do not stop now please.

First, homosexuality is not pedophilia. There is a little difference regarding age and consent.

Second, I do not think anyone is claiming homosexuality might not be a sin. If it is, God can bloody well throw them in it's hell prison in due time. What is being said is that it is not a crime. No one shall be jailed for it. And treating them different to anyone else is a crime which one can be jailed for.

Third, 10 of my friends smoking weed does not make them any less my 10 friends! Nor do I have to "go with the flow and smoke weed with them" to be their friends! And their smoking weed has nothing to do with my faith, after all, they are my friends. Don't you think my friends would have respect for me and not blow their smoke in my face?

A law saying pork must be eaten in a Mosque is a stupid law and I would fight against it just as much as I would fight against a law saying sex must be performed in a church! But excluding people who eat pork from coming to a mosque is equally as stupid, though in this instance, I would not fight, I would just laugh. Do you plan to come to my home to come check if I ate pork before I come to the mosque? Or do you think I will come to the mosque with a rash of bacon plastered to my forehead? Same with being gay. I could be gay, do my sodomy Sunday morning, then come to Church without the sign on my head saying "hey, dude! I am gay. I did sodomy this morning and now I am sitting beside you in church." Please tell me how you would know without my sign?

Sodomy may well be a sin. But you must remember that you are not some god who gets to throw people in jail for it! There is no jail for sin. They can go to hell in due time, but that's for God to decide, and not you!

If a a same gender person dare pull down your trousers and try to poke you anywhere without your consent, please note that the crime is rape! Call the police, or even, beat the crap out the rapist bastard with my consent! But don't go not thinking straight by making out some other persons smelly prick has anything to do with you. [s]You will not go to hell for the sin of others![/s]

budaatum:
I believe I perfectly understand the point the "person is making". I hope you understand that I disagree with the person's point.

Historically, the Church, both Catholic and Protestant, have held the position the person holds. They have imposed their wishes on societies too, ensuring laws existed that make homosexuality not only a sin, but a punishable crime in society. However, the Church itself has committed even worse crimes, including homosexuality and sodomy even amongst the clergy, and child abuse and the likes. So who are they to be the adjutants of God with the rights to punish sinners? If homosexuality is a sin against God, then surely God would punish them in due course.

In Nigeria, the law of the land makes homosexuality a crime so the churches in Nigeria can very safely exclude homosexuals. But in UK, homosexuality is no more a crime, and in fact, discriminating against homosexuals is now the crime. The 30 or so Bishops in the House of Lords had their say when the law was being passed for society in general, and even got exemption giving them time before the Church itself had to comply. But now the exemption given them has run out, and everyone must comply with the law. And now anyone in UK, including the churches, would be acting illegally if they hold the position the person holds.

I would suggest you read up on the battles that were fought to get this new position. The majority Church goers eventually voted at Synod to abolish the discrimination of homosexuals after much debate, opposition and battles. The Church did lose people over it. Those who did not wish to fellowship with homosexuals stopped going to Church en masse. But the Church now has gay and lesbian vicars and bishops ministering to congregations. And those who hold the person's position better hold their tongues or they would be asked to leave! The CoE even goes as far as performing same gender marriages these days! And even Muslims cannot discriminate against gay people who wish to attend their mosques!

Please note that people do not perform sex acts in Church. Whether it be sodomy, or toto licking, people do tend to do them in private, so I do not understand why anyone has to be uptight about what others do in the privacy of their bedrooms. And I do not see why, even if one were against what gays might do, in private, that it bothers anyone. And no gay person needs anyone to accept what they do as "normal and okay life style". Sex in public is a crime which comes under indecency laws. So if you see gay people sodomising in church, or anyone, for that matter engaging in sex inside a church or even in the street, just call the cops and they would arrest them.

Apart from that, it's their ass and poker, and they decide what they do with it "as long as it doesn't scare the horses", is how we put it down here to denote, " in private". And if they stick their pokers in asses in private, perhaps that person should stop behaving as if it is that person's poker, that ends up stinking of poo!

I hope I have shown that I fully understand that person's position and have explained mine adequately. I end with the following from cnn. Its not from UK nor is it related to CoE, but it shows how sentiment is swinging.

Members of the Church of Freedom in Christ Ministries stood at the main entrance of the parade holding signs that offered apologies for how the LGBT community has been treated by Christians.
A group of Christians attended a pride parade to apologize for how they've treated the LGBT community

kennygee:
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Pampers, Huggies, Molfix.

Please let's suggest other diaper brands for baba Beji.

pcguru1:
Yeah I read alot on MGTOW especially when you comes to alimony, child support and stuff really guys in the western world go through a lot of shit as the law backs women more than men, I think its the treason most foreign men are getting married to women with traditional culture in mind like Africans and Asian.

mctfopt:
I got the same video but I know it was fake and most probably a movie prop. The people looked too relaxed to be cannibals. But Nigerians will believe anything


Those that watched the video here agreed with me that the stuff as fake as Nicky Minaj's böobs

budaatum:
So, only those who are sinless should be in your church? Only the "righteous" should be in your congregation? While I wonder how you intend to check for this sinlessness and righteousness, I wonder if you wouldn't end up with empty pews singing aleluya. I guess you wouldn't need stones as there'd be no one to stone with them. You probably wouldn't have anyone to do the stoning either, with those empty pews.

budaatum:
I used to think the same way. But concluded that where other people put their bits is none of my business as long as they weren't putting it into me or I wasn't putting my bits into them.

stefanweeks:
Africans feel the need to remind themselves that they are as good as the whites whenever they do a copy model of what the white man has done.

That is also a form of mental slavery.

findingmyself18:
Thanks

I still have my dad
And brothers

How old where u when your parents died
R u still religious

babyfaceafrica:
and you had to post it on social media?..when he was giving you money since..did he announce it to the public?..when will some ladies have brain?....whatever happens between spouses should be kept private... nansense!!

cococandy:
Do you people even use sense to make your comments?

A deputy governor’s daughter is definitely not looking for money. Maybe she just likes him. why are you fvcking sexist prigs so callous and hateful of women? The least you could have done is to call out the wicked guy that killed her (if indeed he killed her) instead of making it her fault. Jesus Christ. You assholes.

Someone just died a possibly painful death and there’s no atom of sympathy in any of you cold hearted beings. Instead you’re making it an avenue to start your woman hating spews

Olameen1713:
God forgive you. I have a responsible father.

Reason why I don't like to make comments on Nairaland. So many indisciplined fellows.

You can still do better bro. #Peace

savvyiwo:
Go read the article, 60 people were killed in addition to the cows. Why do like and encourage violence? The herdsmen were trending for the wrong reason, and these people now are saint?

Omoboricash:
Not funny bro
We need to wake up
Masses need to show them power belong to us

Crixina:
They should not come back o, we have our hands full here already.

eyeview:
If not for insatiable greed, why would the daughter of an ex deputy governor be dating a yahoo plus boy.
Atleast, she didnt come from a poor home by any standard

Almunjid:
To which state?
They should remain there 0oo abeg!