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MaxInDHouse:
What i'm saying is Satan's attack could be anything a believer has that seems like a source of joy. So if it's health that's giving a believer the joy to continue praising God Satan will surely use that as a means to tempt a believer.

you are so wrong Max. Because God allow the devil tempt, doesn't mean he has right to touch any believe. How do you guys come to this conclusion. The devil has no right to touch me. It is when I fall into sin, I am left open he can touch me. But as long as I do not sin, Satan cannot come hear me. That is why jw are allowed to drink alcohol and leave a sin sinful life because they believe that since God allow the devil touch job, he will touch anyone including believers. So believers should live sinfully because the devil would touch them. Jw are devilish and from them the Pit of hell

Thankgod89:
We have one message, not multiple messages, and that message is Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:2 (NKJV):
"For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified."

The church’s primary focus must be Christ and His redemptive work, not miracles, prosperity, or motivational teachings.

Faith should rest on God’s power and truth, not on emotionalism or intellectual arguments.

True wisdom and transformation come through the message of the cross, not through human philosophies.

As believers, we are not called to impress people with philosophy, rhetoric, or personal opinions. Our sole focus is preaching Jesus Christ, the crucified Savior.

God bless you all!!

God bless you much more

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered but you don't want the truth.
Job's case is a warning for all faithful people:


As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy. ‭James 5:11 NIV‬



For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope. ‭Romans 15:4 NIV‬


Only perfect individuals like Adam, Eve and Jesus can't be touched by Satan yet he will use others around them to inflict pain on them! John 19:2

but you said through the testing of the devil it will bring sickness and diseases to our lives. This is the what you are saying.

MaxInDHouse:
Did Satan started by inflicting sickness on Job?
Come on think nah.
Satan later touched Job when he realized Job's faith can't be conquered by destroying his possessions.
So Satan uses different attempts on people after studying them closely.
He believes Job was faithful because of his wealth and easy life.

You haven't answered my question. Did you say that devil will touch us and that will bring sickness and diseases into our lives

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ the case of Job shows that all faithful people will be TESTED by Satan {2Timothy 3:12} and it will surely affect their bodies the only three individuals Satan can't touch are Adam , Eve and Jesus.

WHY?

Because they were perfect unlike Adam's descendants who have inherited sin already {Romans 3:23; 5:12} so Satan has every right to touch whoever he wants to tempt you can only add to your problem when you live in sin but whether you live in sin or not Satan has every right to touch your body o!

Are you saying that every believers will tested/tempted by the devil and that testing will bring sickness and diseases to your life. Is this what your are saying.

MaxInDHouse:
So if God allowed Satan to touch Job what makes you feel you're different?
Or are you more righteous than Job?

Continue and die in your ignorance nah!

so you mean God will be having discussion with the devil like the case of job about who to touch and who not to touch. Is that not stupidity. My brother if you live in sin you are opening your live to sickness and affliction.

Antichristian2:
Did Christ practiced any religious while on earth according to the Bible?

He told the rich ruler to obey the commandments and follow him. The same thing other prophets preached. More importantly, he worshipped his creator.

Now you worship Jesus. Jesus had a God! Even when Satan tempted Jesus to bow to him Jesus said only God deserves the worship!

Even Satan doesn't recognise Jesus as God!

Christianity, Buddhism, etc are names after people. They are the creations of people not God. The person who first called people Christlike was an unknown disbeliever!

this is your problem, you keep thinking Christianity is a religion. Christianity is not a religion. It borne out from people living like Christ. It is a way of life. And the way is for us to follow the Lord Jesus Christ. We are to take up our cross and follow the Lord Jesus. We to become like Christ. You continue believing in your prophet Mohammed and everything he stand for but if you want to be a Christian, you must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no other way.
Jesus had a God. And that God has given us his son the Lord Jesus that this my son hear him. The Bible says for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life. God has given us Jesus. Everything we need in this world is in Jesus. God has given us Jesus. So it is our duty as Christian to follow him.
Other prophet had follower but there is no prophet that has tell his followers where they were going. Even your prophet Mohammed doesn't know where hewas going when he died. Be it Buddhism or Islam or any other religion that they have prophet or leaders, no one of them knew where they were going when they want to die and leave this world. Only Jesus told us that he is going to prepare a place for us in the kingdom of his Father in heaven. So we Christian know that we would love a victory life here and need up in heaven. But this cannot be said of the Muslim because your master prophet Mohammed doesn't know where he was going.

MaxInDHouse:
Study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses you will say NO.
Was Job living in sin before Satan touched him? Job 2:6-8
When you refuse to learn but insist that you want to teach this is the result!

the case of job was an exception. It was God allowing the devil to tempt Job. And I can never study with your occultic group

If you can defeat sin you can defeat the devil. Our greatest undoing is when we fall into sin. The devil cannot do anything to you if you are living a sinless life. It is only when you live in sin that the devil can touch you. Sin brings affliction in your life. In mark 2:3-11 the Bible told us of a sick with palsy. Jesus was preaching in a house and there was so much people. Four men want to bring this man with palsy to Jesus, they couldn't pass through because of the crowd. So they had take the man through the roof. They open the roof and let the man down. We hen Jesus saw the man, He told that your sin are forgiven. This man was sick but the Lord Jesus was forgiving him his sin. Why, because it was sin that bring the sickness of palsy to his life. That is what sin does. It open door for sick and diseases to come into our lives. Jesus had to first forgive him his so that he can be made whole from the sickness of palsy. If the Lord Jesus didn't first forgive him his sin, another greater diseases greater that palsy will come in. It is our sins that open doors to sickness and diseases not the devil. Every affliction you are passing through is because of your sin. You are suffering from pains in your body, repent of your sins today. Ask the Lord Jesus to forgive your sins. The Lord Jesus said in mark 2:10, "but that ye may know that the son of man has power on earth to forgive sin". Jesus-son of man has power to forgive your sins. Cry to Him today and He will forgive your sins and heal of every affliction you are passing through.

Antichristian2:
What religion did Jesus practice on earth? Definitely not Christianity! Christianity started after Jesus.
Which God did he worship and pray to?

Those who follow Christ in truth before the Prophethood of Muhammad are Muslims.
Those who follow Moses in truth before the Prophethood of Jesus are Muslims.
Same for Noah and others!

what do you think is the meaning of the world Christian. It means Christ like. People seeing how the disciples are behaving and they liking it to Christ. They saw that they behave like Christ. And you are saying that the Lord Jesus didn't practice Christianity when it was through him Christianity came to be. Stop fooling around. Except Jesus

Antichristian2:
If the earliest Christians within the first two centuries after Jesus did not need a New Testament to qualify their faith, why do modern Christians have such a need? If they did not sanction or consider any other writing beside the Old Testament to be scripture, then isn’t it a digression from the ‘true faith‘ of the earliest believers to incorporate something new as scripture? The first New Testament was codified and canonized by the heretic Marcion who believed that the Jewish YHWH was not the true God, the first time the largest Christian Church sanctioned a New Testament was during the 2nd Ecumenical Council of Carthage in 397 CE, some 360+ years after Jesus.

One of the more telling issues with the questioned posed above is that those who have responded to it believe that the question was tricky to answer. I agree it is tricky to answer, that’s the very reason I asked it in the first place! I therefore, don’t find that description of the question to be a problem, it’s more an affirmation that I framed the question properly in the first place. I’m essentially asking one question:

Is the New Testament required to be believed in for salvation in Christianity?

In other words, can someone be a believing Christian without having need for, or being dependent on the New Testament? Can someone reject it and yet, still be saved? This is effectively how the earliest Christians lived, without a New Testament. Some have tried to respond with the following passages:

*“Repent and believe in the gospel” (Mark 1:15)
*“believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31)

These verses do not answer my question. What these verses teach is that you should believe in the good news, but it does not require belief in this or that or any other Gospel. The authors of Mark, over its centuries of development, never emended the text to say, “repent and believe in this gospel,” there’s a reason for that, the verse is conveying the point that it’s good to believe in what Jesus brought, i.e. his message, not the documents written by people decades later who never knew him. Rather, what is emphasized for belief is in him, Jesus, not any written work by any man. That’s the point I’m trying to make here. There is no requirement to believe in the New Testament as God’s inspired revelation to be saved in Christianity. Consider for a moment, this very important passage:

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. – 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NIV).

It’s useful for lots of things, except for salvation. This passage does not state that belief in scripture is a requirement to be saved. Scripture is useful for many things, but it’s not a requirement. It’s like the difference between having an umbrella in the rain and not having one. Sure, the umbrella is useful and it is good for many things when it’s raining, but it’s not a necessity or requirement for when you’re going into the outside world. This is the distinction between something’s usefulness and it’s necessity, one is clearly not the other.

So then, the question begs itself, doesn’t it? Do you require the canonized and codified New Testament, to be believed in, as a requirement for your salvation in Christianity? The earliest Christians did not seem to think so, so why do you?

and God knows best.

who told you that the early Christian after don't need the new testament for salvation. What is the message of apostle Paul and the disciples. They preached the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. The whole new testament is about the coming of the Lord Jesus-the son of God into this world to die and resurrect for the sins of the world

sonmvayina:
You have to sincerely repent. That is confess and forsake your evil ways. God will forgive. He does not need a human death/or sacrifice before he can forgive. His hands are not too short. Though your heart be as black as cool. He can make them as white as snow.

without the death of the Lord Jesus there is no remission of sin. If you confess and forsake your evil ways if you did not believe and except the Lord Jesus Christ, you are deceiving yourself.

Antichristian2:
So before Jesus no one's sins was cleanse?

Jesus said in the Lord's prayer "And forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sins against us"...Where is blood atonement in this?

John came and told people to repent!

Jesus too told people to repent in Luke 13.

1, yes before the Lord Jesus no one's sins where forgiven. What they do then was that they partial atonement. Before the Lord Jesus, when you sin there are some animals or birds you kill and use the blood to partially cleanse you of your sin. No one's sin before the Lord Jesus was eternally forgiven. That was why when the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross in the flesh, he went to the dead and his blood to cleanse those before him of there sins.
2, there is no blood atonement in the scripture you quoted because didn't use word sin. The scripture says debt. I don't know which version of the Bible you quoted that from. The Bible says debt and never sin. Maybe you show us the version of the Bible you quoted that from.
3, John came and told people to repent.
The Lord Jesus came and told people to repent.
Me too I have come and am telling people to repent. So what is your point. I am telling people to repent and am sure there are billions of people out also telling people to repent. John was a human being calling people to repent. The Lord Jesus was a human being calling people to repent. Me too I am a human being and I am calling you to repent. Repent from all this your hide and seek. Except the Lord Jesus. Believe that he is the son of God who came to this world in the flesh died on the cross in the flesh and resurrected from the dead on the 3 day in the flesh. Open your heart to this and the Lord Jesus Christ will save you and give a new heart. Repent now before it is too late

StillDtruth:
Delku, don't do like the pagans here. You verily know that I did not say that.

And further, you can not make any valid comment against me, if you have not read and appreciated The Laws, so I leave it to your will.

so why did you say no. What is your take on the topic

StillDtruth:
You obviously have never read Leviticus else you would have seen that from Chapter 1 to 17 is all about atonement and forgiveness of sin.

you are confusing yourself. So are telling me that I must read Leviticus from chapter 1 to chapter 17 before my sins before my sins can be forgiven. I show you that forgiveness comes through the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus but you said no. Who or what can make my sins be forgiven

StillDtruth:
Aha. Have you not read Leviticus before?

bring out the verse in Leviticus so that we read together

StillDtruth:
This is not correct.

Leviticus laid down all the steps to be taken for the forgiveness of sins.

And what are those steps

Antichristian2:
I don't think you understand the question. Let me rephrase it. John came and was calling out people to repent! If they repent won't they be admitted in Paradise when they die? Of cos they will.

And Jesus did forgave someone without dying while on earth!

He promised the criminal paradise without him believing in his death or trinity!

So why the need for the death of Jesus if all these can be achieved without his death?

we need the death of the Lord Jesus because that is the only way our sins can be paid. I have told that the Lord Jesus can not be going round the world forgiving everyone of there sins. John calling people to repent doesn't mean he has the power to forgive sins. Only the Lord Jesus through his death and resurrection can cleanse anyone of there sins

Antichristian2:
omoredia

In the Bible, Jesus told a paralyzed man that his sins were forgiven in Mark 2:5-12! Jesus doesn't need to die for his sins to be forgiven there!

He even told the criminal crucified with him "today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43). Jesus doesn't need to die for his sins to be forgiven there!

1. Explain clearly how Jesus needs to die for our sins to be forgiven when sin were already being forgiven?

2. What was John the Baptist calling to when he was alive and was there no forgiveness of sin then?

the death of the Lord Jesus is not only for the forgiveness of sins. It goes beyond that. How will the Lord Jesus forgive the sins of the world. Will he be going to everyone that there sins are forgiven. Both those that deserve it and those that doesn't deserve it. Remember the Lord Jesus did not came to save the Israelite alone but the world. So the only way to pay the price of the sins of the world is to dye on the cross.
And the Lord Jesus death on the cross is not only for our forgiveness but to give us the ability to live above sin. If I sin today and the Lord Jesus told me that my sins are forgiven, and after some days I sinned again, will the Lord Jesus come again and forgive my sin the second time. How many times will the Lord Jesus forgive me my sins. So you see, THE LORD JESUS DOESN'T NEED TO GO AROUND THE WORLD FORGIVING THE SINS OF THE WORLD. OR FOR HIM TO COME AGAIN TO FORGIVE US AFTER HE HAD FIRST FORGIVEN US. So he paid it once and for all with his death by dying on the cross. The Lord Jesus don't need to be going around the world forgiving the sins of the world. Just a simple plead of prayer in your closet and your sins are forgiven. Just ask the Lord Jesus and he will forgive you and you will become a brand new person

Bobodee09:
No sitting governor will decamp to SDP.

Which structure and money those SDP has Even when labour party was hot which governor or sitting senators did you see join??

Politic requires lot of money so you need to be in a party that can provide the backing.

this js is not about any sitting governor decamping to sdp. It seems you are new to Nigeria politics. Ei rufai is a distraction. I don't think any other top politicians will decamp to sdp. I think there will be an alliance and a new party will be form. I think the north are trying to do what president tinubu did to them before 2023 election. They are concentrating more in South.




In my own analogy, I think two things will happen.
1: I think the north are not after 2027 election, they just want to spoil it for president tinubu. President tinubu have so hurt the them, that they just want to do anything to remove him. So I don't see the north producting any presidential candidate except some greedy once like Atiku and co.
2:I think there will an alliance. El rufai going to sdp is groom people there. Many parties will come together and form one party that the think they would use to remove president tinubu.
In all this, I think the north started early. No body saw them being agitated like this.
And I think president tinubu is a political force on his own. He has the power and the structure. He has inec. So it is going to be a real struggle and benefits to the masses.
With this I see president tinubu start putting people friendly policies out there. He would want to do anything to win 2027

Amen

Bobodee09:
Politic is a game.

Forming a coalition to take power requires alot to get strong members on your side.

What will el rufai offer governors to join him

Sitting Governors are very powerful in Nigeria and to have a formidable coalition he needs Governors to join him but from the look of things I don't see which Sitting Governor will want to join and contest under SDP.


El rufai himself is not someone who have helped alot of politicians in the country. He isn't someone that command loyalty from any zone of the country hence him being the face of the coalition wont attract much.


Lastly in all of this I know El rufai is only fighting for 2031. Not being relevant and push aside is killing his ambitions.

Not being close to sit of power is disadvantage to his quest but playing opposition will make people see him more.

you think this is el rufai games. To me I think there are many things happening that we don't know yet. I think there would have been lots of consulting before he decamp. There are just pushing el rufai to the front, there are lots of people pulling the strings in the back

Truthseeker10:
😂😂So Jesus is no longer equal with the Father? He is no longer the Almighty?

guy stop all this your hide and seek. The Lord Jesus is God and we have God the Father

Tjra:
2027 race

APC
President- Tinubu
Vice President- Kwankwaso
Senate President- Oshiomole


SDP
President- Obi
Vice President- El Rufai
Senate President- Fayemi


Congratulations once again Jagaban 🎊 👏





You be efulefu

Joining Tinubu is his surest way to become the next President.

Shettima will be settled

so shettima will gladly leave the vice president position. You won shatter tinubu regime be that

Truthseeker10:
Is Jesus the Almighty God?

still truth have answered the question. Why the asking me.

PlasmaTV:
He has surpassed that figure years ago. It's no longer a prayer point, per se. RCCG as a church wins millions of souls yearly.

and you think that is enough. With amount of youth that are living in sins, we should leave that be talking of rising billionaire. Pastor Adeboye is a man of God I respect, but all is prayer is not what we need
There are still people dying and going to hell. The devil is out luring people to sin but we are praying to rise billionaire. God save us

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

We have only one God who is the father of all creations! 1Corinthans 8:6 compare to 1Timothy 2:5

Jesus is God and you cannot do any about that

The Lord Jesus is God but not God the Father

joshjc:
Apart from the southwest who will vote for tinubu un the south?, with is lopsided appointment and southern agenda

even in the southwest, people will still vote against tinubu

I will follow Christ forever

MindHacker9009:
God Almighty of the Original Torah did not send any Jesus christ to cleanse sins with human blood, that's pagan ritual.

God Almighty of the Original Torah has already provided a way for cleansing of sins in Isaiah 1:18: “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.”
There is no Jesus mentioned here to come and wash away sins with his blood.

i don't know where you got God almighty the original torah from but all I know is that the Lord Jesus is the son of God who came to this world and died for our sinsand rose on the 3 day

gohf:
It is more important to obey God than it is to talk to God or hear from God.

So if you ask me praying or reading the Bible which is more important, I ask you in turn what is the purpose of praying and reading the Bible, if it is not for us to do God's will, if you do not pray, God still knows what you need, if you do not read God can still speak to you, but if you do not obey God, who will obey Him for you?

Good. We are call to do God's will.