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MaxInDHouse:
Continue with your brethren after all it's them you want not me!

haaaaaa. I don't want anybody. I only speak against those that try to twist the gospel of Christ and bring it to no infect

I only believe that it is a man after he is saved by believing in the finished work of the Lord Jesus on the cross and that man is given eternal life that can't lose his salvation. But if a man only believe in the finished work of the Lord Jesus and do not receive eternal life, he may lose his salvation

MaxInDHouse:
OK let me leave you with your brethren i'm sure you will appreciate their responses.
Thanks for your time!

I like the fact that didn't have the answer and you are leaving out. Thanks for your efforts. What if I tell you that the Lord Jesus decended after he ascended to heaven. What will your response be

gohf:
so you are telling me that they believe your version of the truth, which is salvation is free and yet they still continue to live in their sin, so you answer why is that?

Or are you saying they don't believe they are saved for free, I mean why wouldn't they believe such and how do you know they don't believe?

i am telling you that for you to save you must believe in the finished work of the Lord Jesus on the cross. And after that you are justified from all your sins. And you now from then live that have dominion over sin. You live above and you live by Christ. This is what I am telling you

MaxInDHouse:
Excellently!
Jesus didn't go anywhere until the day he bids farewell to the earth by ascending to the heavens before then he kept preparing his faithful friends for the task ahead.

And I ask when Jesus ascended to heaven did he decend to earth again. It is a very simple question. Yes or no. Did he decended to earth again after he ascended. No long grammer

MaxInDHouse:
If they believe lie and strongly think they believe the truth while quoting the Bible with all zealousness how can you prove them wrong?

i wasn't the one that said this, it eas gohf. So you should be referring to him

MaxInDHouse:
If you call an African man and he say "i'm coming" does it mean he is moving towards you?

The language Jesus spoke wasn't English so if you don't care to know what he meant then you can't know what he did.

does this answer the question

StillDtruth:
I did not insalt you, I am rather pointing out as a friend that you are off your game and that something is wrong with you.

There are only two people who tell you the truth about yourself--an enemy who has lost his temper and a friend who loves you dearly Antisthenes

you didn't insult me and you are telling me something is wrong with me. Please don't quote me again

MaxInDHouse:
“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

He is no longer in the body they knew so it's in heaven when himself and his born again brothers assemble again is when they will have the privilege to do all that they used to do together again.

That's what he meant!

I am not asking what he meant. I am asking if the Lord Jesus ascend to my Father and your Father, did he decend back to earth again. Very simple

gohf:
from the very answer I gave you, the same reason because they believe a lie that they already have salvation for free. They don't need to obey God for it, they don't need to work it out through love. They are saved because they believe they are saved. 😊🤭🤣🤣🤣

no that is it. You know that is not it. They didn't believe. They hear the gospel of Christ but they didn't believe.
Not this they believe a lie that you are saying. They simply do not believe the gospel of Christ that is why they are not save. They are in the church, they hear the gospel of Christ preached to them but they simply do not believe in it that is why they are not save. Accept this simple fact.

I would like to ask to ask, after the death of the Lord Jesus when he resurrected, he told Mary mardalene in John 20:17
"Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to your brethren, snd say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God".
Jesus told Mary that he ascend to his Father and our Father, my God and your God. My question now is, WHEN THE LORD JESUS ASCENDED DID HE DECEND TO EARTH AGAIN. Did he came back to earth

gohf:
yet you are wondering why people who go to some churches hearing that salvation is free don't bother to do God's will

answer the question. You have been asking me questions and I have been answering you, so you answer this one question, why would someone go to church, hear the gospel of Christ and still not get save

gohf:
why would they bother seeing as their salvation is free?

i didn't get you.
Why will someone that hear the gospel of Christ and still not get save

gohf:
so what response did Jesus give him?

what respond do you want Jesus to give to someone that dont believe that he can save him.



Let me ask you a question, why do you think there are still sinners in the church today. There are people that goes to church here the glorious gospel of Christ and they are still wallowing in sin. Why are there people like that?

gohf:
You didn't answer the question, "why did Jesus ignore him seeing as 'salvation is free'?"

Jesus didn't ignore him. He just didn't believe is like when Jesus blind bertholomew what do you want me to do for you and he kept quiet not saying anything. He had the savior by his side but he did not believe to be saved. Is it the fault of Jesus or lack of faith of the thief.


Let me ask you why are there still sinners in the church today?

gohf:
he was looking to be saved like some who are looking for a way out of their situations, so why did Jesus ignore him seeing as "salvation is free"

How can Jesus ignore to give him what he needs that is free?

looking for a way out doesn't mean you believe. What save us is our faith in what the Lord Jesus has done on the cross. You must believe it and be save or don't believe it and not be save. There is no two ways about it. There is no gimmick or anything. The thief didn't believe

StillDtruth:
Delku, I say this with respect, something is wrong with your head.

I am not sure you are ok for this is the second time this week that you are talking like one whose head is touching.

How can a criminal eg the landlord the landlord who shot a boy, be saved?

Then if saved, why would he still need justification?

why the insult. I won't take that from you. You don't talk to me like that. You don't know me and I don't know you and you talk to me like that. Have a nice day

gohf:
but what Jesus did didn't save the other criminal too right

because he didn't believe. He was only looking for a way out.

Kobojunkie:
If you don't first understand salvation, how can you understand faith or belief?

guy I know you before. Na your way. I won't reply again bye

sonmvayina:
What was his name?

you are more mature than this now. See how you are asking question like a kid

Kobojunkie:
You don't understand the difference between this faith and belief but you are here adamant that you have salvation figured out, huh? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

you tell me the difference now. Stop going round and round. Simply tell me the difference between faith and beliefs.

Kobojunkie:
A more pressing question is how you came to conclude that the man on the cross was saved.

Jesus Christ of Israel did not employ the term saved or any of its synonyms in the context of that conversation on the cross with the thief hanging there beside him. Jesus Christ of Israel also did not allude to the man having any special benefits bestowed on that man beyond what Jesus Christ of Israel proclaimed would take place that very same day to the man and His person. Before that conversation on the cross, we learned from Jesus Christ of Israel that when the day when He would be handed to the foreigners came around He would be found in the grave — He would die that day. Jesus Christ of Israel also insisted that He would be in the grave for 2 days after that — 3 days in the grave. It should then follow that when Jesus Christ of Israel announced to the man on the cross that he— the thief— would be with Him— Jesus Christ of Israel— in a place referred to as Paradise that same day what Jesus Christ of Israel meant was that the man would, along with Jesus Christ, die that same day.

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NB: in Paradise seems to have been used by Jesus Christ of Israel as a sort of euphemism as an indirect expression representing "the grave" or "death".

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Now back to the question which is where do you get this notion, from what Jesus Christ of Israel in fact said to the man that Jesus Christ of Israel instead meant that the thief was saved?

you were laughing that I don't know the difference between faith and beliefs. So let us stick to that. What is the difference between faith and beliefs

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂wahala....faith will not save us but believe will save us according to you. Na wa oo.

what is the difference between faith and believe. Explain

StillDtruth:
Does justification not imply salvation?

you are saved before you are justified. You are not justified and then you become saved.
You have believe in the work of the Lord Jesus on cross open to it and you are saved. The work and the blood of Jesus will wash you and justified from all wrong doings. Then you can stand righteous in the sight of God

Kobojunkie:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

tell me the difference. I dont know

Truthseeker10:
So we don't need "works of love" to be saved?
Explain James 2:26 below. What happens to faith without works?


King James Bible
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

New King James Version
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

what did he explained up there. You ask nonsense questions

Thankgod89:
The thief couldn’t fast, be baptized, or do good deeds—yet Jesus saved him instantly because of his faith.

Just like Romans 10:9 teaches, the thief was saved by confessing and believing in Jesus, showing that faith alone is enough for salvation

thank you for this. Maybe this was he has heard about Jesus but he saved. I pray for the grace in my life

Truthseeker10:
What's the difference between faith and belief?

well I don't know

StillDtruth:
"He does not believe that does not live according to his belief". Sigmund Freud

So Truthseeker has reminded you that James 2:24 tells you "work and faith".

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

this does not imply to salvation. Apostle James was talking about faith. Faith without work is dead. Don't mix the two together

MaxInDHouse:
So all humans are saved, right?

do all humans believe in the cross

Sirmwill:
You this man 😂

The works he is saying here is works of love

they keep comparing the work of faith to salvation. In faith we are to work it out. But in salvation we believe the finished work of Christ on the cross

Truthseeker10:
Explain James 2:24 below.

King James Bible
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

New King James Version
You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

we are saved by what the Lord Jesus did on the cross.