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MaxInDHouse:
Why is Christ the angel of the Lord?

Because he was an angel back in heaven where God dwells with angels!

in that your big head abi

Trescal:
They should thank their stars

which star

Antichristian2:
How did Christ lived?

In your Bible Christ's life started from birth then nothing was mentioned till around he was 12 years then till he was 30-33 years! The Bible was foccused mainly on his birth and last three years!

Is this normal to you?

Can you follow someone for just some 5 years out of his 33years on earth?
Reason am well na!

the Lord Jesus lived for the cross. He is the son of God who came to world to die for sins of mankind.
I don't know how you think. So you want the Bible to give every detail account of Jesus from year one till he died. They gave the account of how Jesus was born, how he lived as a child and how he died but that is not enough. They should write everything about him. Just stop already

Antichristian2:
The God Jesus worshipped!

you cannot indulge Muslim into Christianity. It cannot work. There are two different thing. One is good the other is bad. Jesus only worshipped God the Father. Allah is a dead God.

Antichristian2:
Satan for try am na! Is that temptation? Turn stone to bread! Bow down and worship me! Jump from high place angels will protect you!

Kill Mary!

Kill Joseph!

Kill all his disciples!

Let him be alone like Job!

Jesus go follow the Romans!

na you know that one ooooo. The devil don tempt Jesus the way he know, Jesus don overcome the devil, you come dey here dey cry. Make you go tempt Jesus abi. If the devil nor do well, go do well. I nor know wetin your problem. Something when don happened before dey born your ancestors, you dey think because you don know small English, go come dey feel dey nor do am well. God go help you last last

Antichristian2:
The topic of this thread is what i stated earlier!

yes the new testament is a requirement for our salvation

Antichristian2:
If Jesus is a Christian, then show us where he called himself such?

Define a Christian and show us how Jesus fits in!

i have explain Christianity to you. You just don't want to accept the truth. We cannot be going back and forth on this. Christianity is living like Christ. People saw Christ in the disciples that why they call them Christ like-christian. There is no where it was written expressly that Jesus is a Christian if that is what you want. But Christian came out from Christ.
Jesus fit into Christianity because it was his behavior they saw in the disciples that make them call them Christian. The disciples lived like Christ. Talked like him and even performed miracles like him. I don't know what else you need to proof that Jesus was indeed Christianity. Without Jesus there is no Christianity. Stop hiding and except the truth.

Antichristian2:
The power of Allah.

That was why he prayed before raising the dead!

He can't do it himself!

power of which Allah.
Who is Allah?

Antichristian2:
What can't he tempt Jesus like he tempted Job?

Satan should have killed his father, Mother and brothers to see if he will turn stones to bread or not!

That tempting is flimsy!

haaaaaa you are funny. You are telling that me that the devil tempting Jesus in a easy way. Will you rewrite the script. Don't you think that if Job after all his cattle was destroyed and his children were killed could stand for God, the Lord Jesus Christ could also stand for God. If Job could endure it, the Lord Jesus can also endure it

Antichristian2:
Is the new testament a requirement for Salvation?

is it that, is the new testament the only requirement for salvation or the testament is part of the requirements for salvation. Which I you saying

Antichristian2:
Was he a Christian or a Jewish man?

Give us your proofs no be by emotions and abuse?

Jesus was a Christian. It was the way he lived that people saw in the disciples that make the call the disciples Christ like- Christian. I think I have told you this before. Christianity emancipated from people seeing Christ in the disciples. That is what Christianity is all about. When someone look at you and say this is behaving like Jesus.

Antichristian2:
He recognised him and still told him to bow before him? How exactly did he recognize him?

Is Satan not tempting everyone righteous?

what does it means to be tempted. So because the devil knows that it was the Lord Jesus he could not tempt him to bow for him.
You think the devil is a fool and will not that it was the Lord Jesus he was tempting. You dey play.
Yes Satan tempt everyone both righteous and unrighteous

Antichristian2:
How can they need what they don't have? Did you even read the post at all?

please can you bring out your questions. You are asking lot of things

Petalss:
God's power, not his own power. Or do you mean to say all the miracle working pastor of our present time are God too since they claim they can heal the sick, raise the dead?

i think you really know what we were arguing about. Jesus is God also because he is a son to God. So if he heal the sick and raise the dead, is he whose power is he using

Antichristian2:
You mean Satan didn't recognise Jesus as God when he came to tempt him?

he recognizes him that is why he came to tempt him

Antichristian2:
Jesus has no power of himself. How can he be God or one with God?

so because he said he canof himself do nothing that means he doesn't have power. But he heal the sick. Raise the dead. Which power is he using to do all this

Antichristian2:
Exactly!

my Jesus is not a Muslim. Stop dragging Christianity into your devilish occultic religion

Antichristian2:
I can do nothing by Myself; I judge only as I hear. And My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. John 5:30

Next verse says "If I testify about Myself, My testimony is not valid..."

ok so what is your point

Antichristian2:
Can you just pick one question and answer instead of muddling everything up?

So mean God became man. God was now feeling down! God drank wine! God passed through his mother's birth canal! God was protected by his parent! So you pray to God! You pray to Jesus! You would also pray to the Spirit!

Jesus said on his own he can do nothing!

Can the father too do nothing without Jesus?

all i have told you is that Jesus as a man experience pains and feelings like every other human being, so those Bible verses you woute is about a man that was about to die for the sins of world so flesh want to weigh him down but he stood.

Antichristian2:
Can you just pick one question and answer instead of muddling everything up?

So mean God became man. God was now feeling down! God drank wine! God passed through his mother's birth canal! God was protected by his parent! So you pray to God! You pray to Jesus! You would also pray to the Spirit!

Jesus said on his own he can do nothing!

Can the father too do nothing without Jesus?

where did Jesus said on his own he can do nothing. Please bring out that verse plsssssss

Antichristian2:
There are many instances where Jesus acknowledged God, prayed to Him, and demonstrated His relationship with God. This collection highlights various moments in the New Testament that reflect Jesus' acknowledgment of God and his own helplessness!

1. Jesus Praying Before Healing:
John 11:41-42: "So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, 'Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.'"

Why was God praying before healing? If God sent Jesus then isn't he a messenger? Why is he letting people see him pray to God? How many Gods have you seen pray to another God?

2. Jesus Praying in Agony:
Matthew 26:39: "And going a little farther, he fell on his face and prayed, saying, 'My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.'"

Luke 22:42: "Saying, 'Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.'"

Ah! Ah! Jesus came to die, he come dey pray make the death pass am! God suppose pray? God dey die? God even dey turn human? What he unaware of his mission to die again?

3. Jesus on the Cross:
Matthew 27:46: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'"

So Jesus was calling a superior God when suffer enter am! Jesus is even calling on God accusing him of forsaking him! Isn't he God again?

4. Temptation by Satan:
Matthew 4:9-10: "And he said to him, 'All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.' Then Jesus said to him, 'Be gone, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve."'"

Was Satan trying to coax God to worship him? I mean Satan according to Job 1 appeared before God with the sons of God to whine God to tempt Job! He should have seen Jesus beside God back then! He didn't recognise God wey turn man! And Jesus was even saying only God alone deserves all worship. Satan no get respect o! Satan later took God to the highest

5. Jesus Acknowledging God as His Father:
John 20:17: "Jesus said to her, 'Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."'"

Again, how can Jesus who is a God have another God? If the father is a God to the son, is the son also a God to the father? In Isaiah 45:5, Yahweh siad "I am the LORD (YHWH), and there is no other; there is no God but Me. In Deuteronomy 4:35,
"You were shown these things so that you would know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides Him."
Also in Deuteronomy 32:39, "See now that I am He; there is no God besides Me. I bring death and I give life; I wound and I heal, and there is no one who can deliver from My hand".

6. Jesus Teaching people to call God in heaven:
Matthew 6:9: "Pray then like this: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.'"

Why is Jesus urging them to pray to the father in heaven when the son is on earth and the son and father are together and one?
I still don't understand why Jesus, a God that became man kept praying to God throughout his life time. I would say he was the only God that had another God he prays in times of need!

no matter how hard the devil try to use you, you cannot hid the gospel of the Lord Jesus. Jesus is the son of God that makes him God also. But coming to earth he came as a human being. As a human being means he is flesh and blood. That means sometimes the flesh can come come in. The Lord Jesus was a full blooded human being. He has feelings like us. He could feel pains. So you should expect him to feel down sometimes. Who among us that doesn't feel down sometimes. Even you sometimes feel down and want to give up. So the Lord Jesus is not an exception to this. He too was down and want to give up but thanks be to God because he stood and finished the task. That is why we are saved today.
You ask why was Jesus urging them to pray to the Father while in was on earth. We pray to the Lord Jesus to. The Father and the Lord Jesus are one, so praying to the Father is praying to the Lord Jesus. I pray to the Lord Jesus sometimes.
And both when the Lord Jesus was in heaven and on earth, the Father is superior to Jesus. So the Lord Jesus is always giving the Father first place. So everything goes through the Father. Though they are one but the Father comes first. So the Lord Jesus tell people to pray to the Father is to show that the Father is first.

sonmvayina:
The purpose of repentance is that we repair a relationship between us and G-d that we have, through our actions, damaged. Since it is because of our own actions, we have to take responsibility for our actions. We have to acknowledge our wrong doing and through that acknowledgement bring ourselves to improve and to not repeat the same error. We see this in the word for repentance - “Teshuvah” which can also have the literal meaning of “to return”, the purpose of Teshuvah is to return to our relationship with G-d since we have changed ourselves and are returning to our relationship to G-d. The whole purpose of Teshuvah is negated if someone does it for us. How does it show I have changed if someone else does the repenting? How does it show I am working to fix the relationship if someone else does the repenting? For this reason Judaism does not believe in vicarious atonement, if you do not do it for yourself, it does not happen. I have sometimes explained it like this: Judaism is a religion for adults- we blame no one but ourselves for our sins, we expect people to take responsibility for their actions and to fix the errors they made themselves.

You could also look at it from a more technical point of view:

Human sacrifice is forbidden in Judaism- thus Jesus was not a valid sacrifice
Only specific Kosher animals are allowed for sacrifices thus Jesus was not a valid sacrifice.
A sacrifice has to be killed be the standard laws of shechita, Jesus was killed by crucifixion and thus not a valid sacrifice.
A sacrifice has to be killed in the Temple before Mishkan, Jesus was killed away from the Temple.
A sacrifice has to be unblemished- Christian scriptures claim Jesus was whipped, carried a heavy cross, had a crown of thorns put on his head, a spear thrust to his side. All of these would have been blemishes that invalidated him as a sacrifice.
So aside from the fact that the concept of vicarious atonement is foreign to Judaism (and would be seen as a punishment since it denies the person a chance to repair the relationship they have damaged) there are multiple technical reasons why Jesus would have been an invalid sacrifice.

I don't know of Judasim, but in Christianity, repentance of is only through the Lord Jesus. Cornelius in the Bible was a good man. He was doing good, giving alms but it was not enough to save him. God sees that if he died like that, he can't make heaven. So the Spirit of God told him send for Peter so that he can preach the gospel of Christ for him. Only then can Cornelius truly repent and be saved.
Stop comparing Christianity with Islam or Judaism or Buddhism. In Christianity remission of sin is through the blood and water of the Lord Jesus

sonmvayina:
Which God?
Hope not the one that says he hates human sacrifice and calls it an abomination.
Which one? Because the last time i checked, there were up to 4000+ gods.
Do you know the meaning of deception?
Don't you know you have been deceived?

the God of the Bible. The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

Antichristian2:
So Christianity is not a religion then what is it? Religion is a way of life. Are you saying Christianity is not your way of life? Did Jesus tell anyone to be a Christian? God gave you Jesus because God can't save you himself right? So what is the function of God?

The fact remains that the Prophet told many of his followers that they will be in Paradise. It is a lie that the Prophet didn't know where he was going. He only knew it when it was revealed just like Jesus said he can do nothing by himself. Everything is being directed by God.

Read from here https://sunnah.com/bukhari:806 and stop spilling outdated lies!

Christianity is living like Christ that is all. Believing in him and following his commandments. That is Christianity. To be like Christ.
You keep looking for a Bible verse where Jesus told us to be Christian, you are wrong. The Lord Jesus before his has told his disciples to continue to obey him. He has told everything before his death. After left this world to go to heaven to prepare a place for us, we are to continue believing and obeying him till he comes again to take to be where he is in heaven. That is Christianity. That is what I looking for to
Did your Mohammed told you where he was going. No other prophet told there followers where they are going after leaving this world.

sonmvayina:
This is pagan ideology. Human sacrifice belongs to the realm of Lucifer. It has got nothing to do with God.
When he sent Jonah to Nineveh, they repented , he forgave them. No human needs to die before God can forgive. He is not a psychopath.

Jesus has died for the remission of sin if you like continue deceiving yourself. Salvation is only in Jesus Christ. God gave his son for our sins that is what God want and no one can question it. You quoted Jonah going to Nineveh, I am quoting John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life. This is God's package for us. All we need is to just believe

MaxInDHouse:
So you're WRONG i never said Satan will use the same tactic on all believers but we should be prepared for eventualities of any kind.
When Jesus said:

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. ‭Matthew 10:28


He meant Satan and his agents.


Because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Corinthians 12:7 NIV‬


So all sinners can be reached by Satan but once they die he has no power over their resurrection because that's certain for whoever dies in Christ Jesus! John 11:25

like you said all sinners but we are talking of believers here. The devil can touch or do whatever he likes to the sinners but the devil cannot come here us that believes in the Lord Jesus Christ. It is only when we fall into sin he can touch us. That is why as a believers sin is our greatest enemy. We should be prepared more against sin than anything or anyone else

MaxInDHouse:
Was Job living a sinful life?

job wasn't a sinner. But God allow the devil tempt him. This doesn't implies to us all

MaxInDHouse:
What i'm saying is Satan's attack could be anything a believer has that seems like a source of joy. So if it's health that's giving a believer the joy to continue praising God Satan will surely use that as a means to tempt a believer.

you are so wrong Max. Because God allow the devil tempt, doesn't mean he has right to touch any believe. How do you guys come to this conclusion. The devil has no right to touch me. It is when I fall into sin, I am left open he can touch me. But as long as I do not sin, Satan cannot come hear me. That is why jw are allowed to drink alcohol and leave a sin sinful life because they believe that since God allow the devil touch job, he will touch anyone including believers. So believers should live sinfully because the devil would touch them. Jw are devilish and from them the Pit of hell

Thankgod89:
We have one message, not multiple messages, and that message is Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:2 (NKJV):
"For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified."

The church’s primary focus must be Christ and His redemptive work, not miracles, prosperity, or motivational teachings.

Faith should rest on God’s power and truth, not on emotionalism or intellectual arguments.

True wisdom and transformation come through the message of the cross, not through human philosophies.

As believers, we are not called to impress people with philosophy, rhetoric, or personal opinions. Our sole focus is preaching Jesus Christ, the crucified Savior.

God bless you all!!

God bless you much more

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered but you don't want the truth.
Job's case is a warning for all faithful people:


As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy. ‭James 5:11 NIV‬



For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope. ‭Romans 15:4 NIV‬


Only perfect individuals like Adam, Eve and Jesus can't be touched by Satan yet he will use others around them to inflict pain on them! John 19:2

but you said through the testing of the devil it will bring sickness and diseases to our lives. This is the what you are saying.

MaxInDHouse:
Did Satan started by inflicting sickness on Job?
Come on think nah.
Satan later touched Job when he realized Job's faith can't be conquered by destroying his possessions.
So Satan uses different attempts on people after studying them closely.
He believes Job was faithful because of his wealth and easy life.

You haven't answered my question. Did you say that devil will touch us and that will bring sickness and diseases into our lives

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ the case of Job shows that all faithful people will be TESTED by Satan {2Timothy 3:12} and it will surely affect their bodies the only three individuals Satan can't touch are Adam , Eve and Jesus.

WHY?

Because they were perfect unlike Adam's descendants who have inherited sin already {Romans 3:23; 5:12} so Satan has every right to touch whoever he wants to tempt you can only add to your problem when you live in sin but whether you live in sin or not Satan has every right to touch your body o!

Are you saying that every believers will tested/tempted by the devil and that testing will bring sickness and diseases to your life. Is this what your are saying.