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OLAADEGBU:
It is not necessary to give you more verses since you don't have the capacity to process them. Go and ruminate on that one verse you said you can see. It is sufficient to call him the father of lies.

You think Satan lied because he told eve she'll be like god?

God said in Genesis 2 vs 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Satan said in Genesis 3 vs 4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Genesis 3 vs 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:


Point the lies!!

OLAADEGBU:
To corroborate John 8:44 that my brother, Johnw74, quoted when Jesus said that satan is the father of lies, let me give you the 3 bible verses you requested for:

1. Genesis 3:1-5 Where satan lied to our first parents, Adam and Eve, that they would become "as gods" if they believed his lies rather than the Word of God, which is the lie of humanism which makes men and women as the apex of the evolutionary process and thereby making themselves the true gods of the world. This we can see happening before us with these folks identifying themselves as atheists, humanists, evolutionists and the like.

2. Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." This father of lies has been deceiving and drawing folks away from the God of creation.

3. He is the god of this world that has been binding the minds of unbelievers (2 Corinthians 4:4). If not these folks would have seen their impending doom and thereby save themselves from pain by obeying the command to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus to be saved.

4. Satan is the author of the evolution lie, that is seeking to control the world without its Creator.

Last but not the least, is that satan has deceived himself first by convincing himself that both he and God had evolved out of the primeval chaos as being recycled by many ancient mythical theories as being believed today.

So, Jesus was telling the truth when He said that satan is the father of lies from the beginning.

I can only see one verse here in Genesis where Satan seemed to have personal lied. Is that the only verse in the bible where Satan told a lie? is that enough to call him father of lies?

bloodofthelamb:
I know and see the work of Elohim but that of Odin I know and see not.

You can't be sure that what you behold is of Elohim and not Odin. Can you? How if yes?

neezar:
You might be right

Yes

bloodofthelamb:
If I seek to know who is behind Nairaland I will know, my search will lead me to the founder. The same is true with the Creator and Designer of our world which we live in.

God has promised that if we seek Him with a sincere heart He will be found. If you seek to know the Creator who is blessed for ever more with all your heart, soul and mind, you will surely know Him.

Odin and all other gods you mentioned, cannot reveal themselves to you because they are not even real to begin with and they created nothing.

Elohim is real but Odin isn't real? How do you know Odin isn't real?

neezar:
Due to my findings here, The atheists here are few, The rest are wannabes

Real atheists don't criticise or say rubbish about one's belief

But the atheists here are always quick to condemn Christianity and Islam

Due to my findings here, The Christians here are few, The rest are wannabes

Real Christians don't criticise or say rubbish about one's belief

But the Christians here are always quick to condemn atheism and Islam

Emmanystone:
He did, He took up flesh and lived here for 33yrs. What elese do you want.

And, who are you to make such a demand of the Only Potentate?

What you call god wasn't powerful enough or smart enough to convince the world in 33 years yet you believe it created the world in 6 days.

Who am I that the only Potentate can't convince me?

bloodofthelamb:
His works is enough evidence for you and your likes as far as Elohim{ God } is concern. Just as Nairaland is enough evidence for me to know that Seun Osewa exist.

It will be foolish of me to say the owner of Nairaland does not exist after beholding his work.

Which work was done by Elohim? How do I verify his signature? What if it was Lucifer? or Odin? or Zeus? or Krishna?
Nairaland alone is not enough to know that Seun Osewa exist.

Emusan:
My question is very simple, if God should provide you with an evidence, isn't there going to be a procedure so that you'll know whether it's God and not Nature?

Procedure? Explain! However God wants to do it, all reasonable doubt should be satisfied by the evidence.

butterflyl1on:
The nature of atheists make themselves separate from God since God only deals with those who genuinely seek him and not those who say he is not even there to begin with so this speaks of an atheists impossible nature.

Well, that's your idea of God which is not to be taken as fact.

butterflyl1on:
His query does not question the nature of God it rather shows the impossible nature of atheists when it comes to proof. Because once one says there is no God then why still seek for evidence of this God who has already been declared inexistent?

The nature of atheists shouldn't be impossible for God. Should it?
Now, that's a question on God's nature.

butterflyl1on:
an atheist cannot doubt the existence of God. An atheist knows that God does not exist.

Anyone who doubts is known as an agnostic and agnostic atheism is simply a ridiculous position to have as it makes no sense at all.

It is an oxymoron.

Fine, your opinion is noted.

Emusan:
Now it boils down to this. If God should give Atheists an evidence, shouldn't there be a way/method/procedure the evidence will come through so that the atheists will know for sure.


And they have been doing that.

"If God should give atheists evidence..." that's gonna be a whole new argument because the nature of god comes into the question. I'm always indifferent in this case.

If God exists and is all powerful, and wants everyone to believe in it, will that be impossible?
Your query questions the nature of God.

butterflyl1on:
You are confusing yourself. An atheist does not doubt that there is a God. An atheists declares there is no God or gods. That is an assertion and not an issue of doubt. To an atheist this is a fact and not just an issue of doubt.

I'm not confused.
Whenever you meet an atheist that knows and asserts that there's NO god, ask such for his reasons (evidence).
Whenever you meet an atheist that doubts the existence of god, convince such with your evidence if you know that god is.

Emusan:
Then tell me. Who are you expecting this/these evidence(s) from, God Himself or Theist?

If God wants an atheist to believe in God, God will provide evidence and convince the atheist.

If the theist wants an atheist to believe in God, the theist will provide evidence and convince the atheist.

Gggg102:
how do you prove if you are a doubter

If an atheist doubts that there's God, must he prove that there's no God?
If I doubt that you own a Bugatti, must I prove to you that you don't own one?

rekinomtla:
Yet atheists believe God doesn't exist in spite of having no evidence for that belief.



It makes no sense. Evens dogs, cats and rocks can be defined as atheists under the "lack of belief" card/excuse.

It's simple - the lack of evidence for God dismisses the necessity to acknowledge that exists.

Gggg102:
why do atheist doubt god then?

note: by experience I also mean evidence

If you mean the word 'evidence', use it. 'Experience' is very subjective.

rekinomtla:
It's a slogan part of the new atheist movement, it's their excuse for why they don't need to offer any evidence against the existence of God.

It's basic to believe in something when there's evidence.
It's unnecessary to believe in something when there's no evidence.

It's not in a slogan, it's in common sense.

Gggg102:
therefore atheist by their definition agree that god possibly exists, but only doubt because they have not been able to experience him.
they can't assert that there is no god.

You ruined your argument with a faulty conclusion.

Atheists don't only doubt because they have not been able to experience him.

jiboladhino:
u are a troubled soul...u need help

...while you're a vacuous one!

johnw74:
i didn't know you were a young girl
i didn't mean to make you cry

Try to look for bible verses where Satan lied. Don't try to start trading insults. Can't you find any?

johnw74:
you don't believe the verses i have posted
you don't believe jesus
and you want me to post verses to prove something to you

you man are nutso

You couldn't show where Satan lied in the bible yet you call him father of liars.

Poor bible dummy.

johnw74:
so you don't believe Jesus words, to bad for you

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

You failed!!

Don't you get it? John only said that Satan is a liar in that verse. How did John know that Satan is a liar? What made him to say it?

Provide the verses where Satan actually lied.

johnw74:
It was Jesus talking, John wrote it down:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

also concerning God's word the Bible:

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Sa 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.

Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Act 28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

If Satan is father of lies, highlight at least 3 bible verses where he lied.

Samkeniyy:
A fool like you is a fool forever and all the Muslims liking your dumb comments.

Calling other people fools doesn't make you smart. Start using your brain.

hightempo:
.....
......Mr man....duping people to obtain their belongings is a sign of unintelligence.........you don't need intelligence to dupe people..... ..all is needed is to have a trick.......and a person who uses trick is not really intelligent ......he is just cunning...

Seems you've been a victim of fraud before, sorry man.
Take it or not, it takes smartness to devise a trick and successful execute it. The dumb ones fall for the trick.

johnw74:
Yes i do believe God's word

That was John talking not God

jiboladhino:
u just confirmed my suspicions

Since you don't have a reasonable rebuttal to my argument, simply shut the hell up and bow your empty skull in shame.
If you had brains, you wouldn't let dubious preachers do all your thinking for you.

arseho!e !

jiboladhino:
ur brain needs factory reset

Where's your brain?

samogo1:
hmm. if he had supported the necessity of tithing, you would have castigated him. Your type can't be pleased. you need to work on yourself. It may affect you socially and otherwise.

I wasn't really castigating him; he had motives for his teaching, a likely one of which I highlighted. I commend his honesty on the subject by the way.

HigherEd:
In the context of our prevailing economic conditions as a nation it is clear that prosperity messages would easily fly in Naija than in the US. Yet Copeland preaches prosperity in a country that is prosperous and is accepted by his 13,000 congregation. Of course Oyedepo must have even preached prosperity or tithing in Copeland's american church yet they didn't reject it. So what are you saying?

Your comparison is unnecessary. In my first comment, I was of the opinion that Adeyemi could lose learned members of his church if he didn't preach correct doctrine on tithe.

That doesn't stop people from accepting Copeland's preaching. Does it? What's your point specifically?

You think there are no dumb people or hopeless people in the US that needs hope and prosperity preaching to feel better? You think everyone is doing very well financially the United States? You'd be very wrong!!