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Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by johnw74: 11:38pm On Feb 25, 2018 |
DeSepiero: Yes i do believe God's word |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Nobody: 12:16am On Feb 26, 2018 |
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Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by DeSepiero(m): 6:57am On Feb 26, 2018 |
johnw74:That was John talking not God |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by johnw74: 7:25am On Feb 26, 2018 |
DeSepiero: It was Jesus talking, John wrote it down: Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. also concerning God's word the Bible: 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Sa 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue. Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. Act 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. Act 28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, 2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by DeSepiero(m): 7:29am On Feb 26, 2018 |
johnw74: If Satan is father of lies, highlight at least 3 bible verses where he lied. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by johnw74: 9:12am On Feb 26, 2018 |
DeSepiero: so you don't believe Jesus words, to bad for you Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by DeSepiero(m): 9:25am On Feb 26, 2018 |
johnw74: You failed!! Don't you get it? John only said that Satan is a liar in that verse. How did John know that Satan is a liar? What made him to say it? Provide the verses where Satan actually lied. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Gggg102(m): 9:51am On Feb 26, 2018 |
johnw74: what about the time God put lying spirits in his prophets? |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Gggg102(m): 9:53am On Feb 26, 2018 |
awesomeJ: killing by Isis and bokoharam is punishment for the sins of the people in the land at this time. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by johnw74: 10:26am On Feb 26, 2018 |
DeSepiero: you don't believe the verses i have posted you don't believe Jesus and you want me to post verses to prove something to you you man are nutso 1 Like |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by DeSepiero(m): 10:32am On Feb 26, 2018 |
johnw74: You couldn't show where Satan lied in the bible yet you call him father of liars. Poor bible dummy. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by johnw74: 10:37am On Feb 26, 2018 |
DeSepiero: i didn't know you were a young girl i didn't mean to make you cry 1 Like |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by hopefulLandlord: 10:46am On Feb 26, 2018 |
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Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by hopefulLandlord: 10:47am On Feb 26, 2018 |
johnw74: No need getting upset just because you couldn't answer a simple question |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by DeSepiero(m): 10:53am On Feb 26, 2018 |
johnw74: Try to look for bible verses where Satan lied. Don't try to start trading insults. Can't you find any? |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by johnw74: 10:58am On Feb 26, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: DeSepiero: ha ha, the swine get no more pearls |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Emmanystone: 11:26am On Feb 26, 2018 |
OLAADEGBU:The Question shd be, "Was Rahab a Jewess who shd know the Laws of YHWH? No. Did she tell the Jewish Spies what she was going to say if asked? No. Did they tell her to lie? No She was a heathen with her own personal agenda, and She didn't ask Joshua if she could hide the Spies. she just did her thing and the Spies saved her for hiding them, not for lying to the Security operatives, as she didn't tell them what she would say. 1 Like |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Emmanystone: 11:28am On Feb 26, 2018 |
UnchangeableGod:Exactly. knowing a prostitute to always get something for giving something. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Emmanystone: 11:29am On Feb 26, 2018 |
AlfaSeltzer:And go to where? |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Emmanystone: 11:37am On Feb 26, 2018 |
Seun:Good News Translation Revelation 21:8 But cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, those who practice magic, those who worship idols, and all liars—the place for them is the lake burning with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Emmanystone: 11:45am On Feb 26, 2018 |
Seun:Hmmm. This man is speaking like a demon. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by hopefulLandlord: 11:48am On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone: The 10 commandments are written in the book of revelations Se.un is asking where lying is prohibited in the 10 commandments as asserted by Olaadegbu in the OP 2 Likes |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Emmanystone: 12:01pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Thou shall not bare false witness against someone is 'Thou shall not lie against someone. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by hopefulLandlord: 12:11pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone: Which is exactly Se.un's point! "Bearing false witness" is, simply put, a type of lie but one can easily lie without bearing false witness If the federal government Bans Hockey in Nigeria, it doesn't mean the government banned "Sports" as one can still partake in many other sports without playing Hockey and it would be perfectly legal. that's because Hockey is just type of sport FG's ban on Gay marriage doesn't mean they're banning marriage as a whole but rather banning a specific type of marriage I think Olaadegbu saying lying is prohibited in the 10 commandments is definitely not true 1 Like |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by Emmanystone: 1:22pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord:Brother Hope, a lie is lie. Lying has no types. All lies are lies with the same motive to distract, decieve, misinform, mislead, pervert and hurt someone directly or indirectly. S.uen knows exactly what he is saying. hopefulLandlord:Funny analogy. So i can steal but when asked i can lie about it since i'm not putting it on aomeone? This is like saying, you can sin, but don't lie? Wow. Lying is a sin. Don't do it. hopefulLandlord:Yeah, still saying, you can Masturbate, but don't have sex. Very ingenious. hopefulLandlord:Good a thing you said 'You think'. Your thougjts don't count here sir. The Bible is all against lying from Adam to the last man. Liars will not inherit the kingdom of God because lying is Satan's nature. |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by hopefulLandlord: 1:35pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Seems you're agreeing with me here while wanting to disagree I agree with you that all lies are lies but that would've been applicable if one of the 10 commandments said "Thou shalt not lie". Seems you're confirming Seun to be right here
Commandment number 8. Thou shall not steal. That's covered here
Don't muddle things here, if the 10 commandments banned lying as a whole then any lie is prohibited but since it didn't but simply prohibited a single type of lie then it didn't ban lying and my analogy of Hockey and Sport still stands firm. The government banning Hockey won't mean you can't play soccer, Lawn tennis, Athletics, Swimming etc as while they're all sports none of them are Hockey
You're not even addressing my analogy at all, does FG's ban on gay marriage mean they ban marriage as a whole? Yes/No should suffice. if yes then you'd have to agree the analogy is apt I'm very devastated by that, I'll go cry in a corner and till I get home and my girl can comfort me and this is NOT the question, we are asking where lying is prohibited in the 10 commandments like Olaadegbu is asserting. if you can't bring it up then it won't be out of place to agree Olaadegbu's assertion is false |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by johnw74: 1:37pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: hopefulLandlord: God commanded: not to bear false witness against thy neighbour of course this means not to bear untruthful testimony against thy neighbour, not to lie against thy neighbour the commandment only mentions lying agains thy neighbour, but when you take in the very many verses in the Bible against lying, it is true that we are not to lie any lie at all solomon said lying lips are an abomination to the Lord so what makes sense here: lying lips are an abomination to the lord, thou shalt not lie or: lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but there is only one lie thou shalt not do Exo_20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Pro_12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by hopefulLandlord: 1:48pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
johnw74: Bros I would prefer your following a discussion and not muddle things up to fit your preconceived notions 1. Olaadegbu asserted in the OP that "lying" is prohibited in the "10 commandments" 2. Seun challenged that claim by asking where it is prohibited 3. The number 9th commandment was given as the answer 4. Seun challenged that claim by explaining - clearly - why it doesn't prohibit lying but a specific type of lying if you have to bring proverbs and Revelation into it then you've tacitly admitted lying is not prohibited in the ten commandments! If Olaadegbu had said "The bible is against lying" then your explanations would've jived Let me give you an example My Girlfriend asks me "HopefulLandlord, have you eaten today?" I replied "No! Amy" even though I've actually eaten and I infact just ate an hour before she asked me the question Johnw74, Did I lie? Yes/No? Did I bear "False witness/testimony" against my neighbor? Yes/No? |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by johnw74: 1:56pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: please save your riddles for children lying lips are abomination to the lord = thou shalt not lie Pro_12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by hopefulLandlord: 2:04pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
johnw74:its good to know that the ten commandments are written in the book of proverbs |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by hopefulLandlord: 2:04pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
johnw74: its good to know that the ten commandments are written in the book of proverbs I hope - for your sake - you're just being dishonest |
Re: Is There Anything Like "A Righteous Lie"? by johnw74: 2:15pm On Feb 26, 2018 |
hopefulLandlord: hopefulLandlord: your false accusation doesn't surprise lying lips are abomination to the lord certinally does equals thou shalt not lie is as truthful as can be, it doesn't surprise me you can't see it |
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