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vaxx:
re read my analogy . you should not be asking this question...

You should attempt my question without responding to it with another question and analogy, howbeit, a faulty one.


God is believed to create the universe as well as humans.
The car manufacturer did not manufacture humans to drive the car, else, the manufacturer would manufacture humans to drive the car optimally for best results.

vaxx:
i am not Christian , i do not subscribe to that teaching. GOD attribute is unknown , how can i know i am created in his own image when i have not physically see the image of GOD. what i have his only experience. I am sure you do not follow the analogy i presented.

If the all knowing God knew that our selfish desires will cause catastrophy on earth which results in human suffering, why did he create us to have the ability to develop selfish desires? So that we'll eventually suffer?

vaxx:
FALSE. God created a fine universe that allow life to come into being, check out the distance of the earth to the sun....imagine if they were close or they are far apart.... what about the orbit of the moon ,the nature of matter and energy.... and lastly what about the very law of physics themselves... all these are pointing to a fine earth and a caring God. GOD has given us the mental capacity to solve the problem ourselves, but do we follow it no, instead we engage in selfish desire....

if you buy a car with 1O YEARS warranty and you do not follow the manual instruction of the car ...you just drive it the way you care and the car malfunction before the said 10 years ....do you think you can blame the manufacturer? my logic tell me you are to be blame.....

If the all knowing God knew that our selfish desires will cause catastrophy on earth which results in human suffering, why did he create us (in his image/likeness) to have the ability to develop selfish desires? So that we'll eventually suffer?

vaxx:
yes i agree with him, human are responsible for natural disaster. The earth was perfect, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes are natural event and not natural disaster, it has being happening over billions of years (i. e) before the arrival of modern man. the word natural disaster which denote imperfect is is coined by human. for his own center notion. i will call it anthropocentric position

The truth is that if there were no humans, there would be no disaster. The good side of this is that while it maybe impossible to stop earthquakes, God has provide us with the means in the same earth to prevent this disasters. . The roots of large trees can strengthen the ground and structure and even decrease the likelihood of sliding during earthquake occurrence . but these trees are taking away by human selfish interest.

ALL DISASTER ARE DUE TO HUMAN NEGLIGENCE.

These claims sort of discredit the all powerful nature of God and contradict the all loving nature of God.

hopefulLandlord:
There are lots of such possible hypothesis and I'm not shutting any of them out but anyone who claims his own hypothesis is the only valid one needs to provide extraordinary evidence for that claim

Funny enough, Raelism is atheistic

That's correct! That notwithstanding, on a personal note, you must have had questions as to the origin of our species as a skeptic. What at your thoughts?

hopefulLandlord:
they seem like parodies, if we have such believers here we might have a discussion on it and learn more

Some years back, I had nursed such a belief till I realized that they are popularly held beliefs. I'm still open to the possibility that there was extraterrestrial intervention in the human affairs at some point in history.

hopefulLandlord:
yeah I've heard of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raëlism
but most of these claims sound like joke to me

...why do they sound like joke?

hopefulLandlord:
Tell me how it happened, I want to learn

Sir,

There are claims that aliens are responsible for the human species. How do you feel about that ?

urahara:
But isn't god to complex to be a mistake as well

I remotely believe there's something yet, the conventional definition of God doesn't fit.

There are more atheists, even around you. The forum gave them a platform.

Aaronsrod:
OP is wrong.

Only the blood of Jesus will save Nigeria. Our faith tithing and prayers have fallen short of what is worthy of the glory of God.

Atheists must be jailed and exiled from this country.

The blood is taking forever.

DALE917:
Every sin is can be forgiven except the one against the holy spirit

But, how do you become forgiven after sinning?
Its by asking.

So, how do you ask after commiting sucide
Will your dead body ask for forgiveness?

There's no forgiveness of sin actually.

profolaolu:
For Mod that will push this rubbish to front-page

Your old skull is bereft of intelligence to see sense in that post.

HigherEd:
Lool op u funny gan na Oyedepo face u come put you have forgotten the ppl who won the competition

Don't mind the big head.

Lucifer!

BlueAngel444:
Are you saying suicide is right if the motive behind it is justified?

Maybe 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends'

John 15:13

blogbuilder:
Good morning nairalanders and happy Sunday.

Back then in the school, there was this man of God we invited to our campus fellowship. As he was preaching on the alter, we saw him receiving calls and he will gave us the reason that the call is from his superiors.

My question is that, is it right or wrong?

Your contribution is highly welcome

It's a sign of arrogance and lack of regard.

...because once in a while, our natural common sense overrules the stupidity instilled in us by religion.

PSTEMMA1960:
the wisdom of God is folishness b4 men and the wisdom of men is folishness b4 God, it takes a special grace to believe in the bible, bt if u choose nt to believe, u also have ur reasons for that..

bt the invention of microscope there are people that u can't convince that up to i millions germs are living inside thier mouth, bt today according to science a person has up to 6 billion germs in his/her mouth and it has been proven, the same things are applicable to the things of God.

god is a spirit that is why u have to be spiritual b4 u can see in the spirit, in human philosophy seeing is believing, bt when it comes to God u have to believe b4 seeing..

It takes 'special grace' for you to believe bible of course.

Afoochekk1914:
I ain't an atheist but just want somebody to enlighten me.
"We thank God for the good things that happened to us, why not blame him for the bad things that happened to us?"

We're indoctrinated to thank God in all (good) things and blame the devil for the bad ones.
We're also made to believe that God allows things (bad) to happen in accordance to his will.
This implies that it's always of God when bad things happen to us. The person of Satan is simply vindicated.
God is the source of good and evil then.
Yet, we blame Satan, demons, witches, uncles and old folks at home.

Christianity is so confusing.

A fellow stands in the path of a moving train that crushed the fellow to death. He did it so that his other siblings will avoid the path that kills. The fellow had the power to move away from the trains path but he chose to remain there.

Is that Suicide?

Another fellow stands in the path of Roman soldiers who wants him killed and eventually killed him on a stake. He did it so his followers will avoid the path that kills. The fellow had the power to move away from the path of the soldiers but he chose to remain there.

Is that Suicide?

darkchild64:
WHAT IF YOUR BELIEF IS WRONG,HOW WOULD YOU KNOW

It's difficult to know. It's like telling the size of a building while seated comfortably in one of it's rooms.

Proudgorgeousga:
same fools will come out and claim atheism is a religion

...it's their way of spiting atheists; dishonest and delusional as always.

butterflyl1on:
Sigh! You are still making my point for me. Did Buddha claim his ideologies were divinely inspired?

I'm not making your point.

Why would you dismiss the definition of 'buddhism' and accept the definition of 'Ism' from the same English dictionary to prove a point?

If you feel that Buddhism is not a religion, simply tell us that it's your opinion. Just like Christians are often of the opinion that Christianity is not a religion but a lifestyle.

butterflyl1on:
You miss the point. Let me ask WHO WAS GAUTAMA BUDDHA? A man? A spirit? A diety?

If you say he was a man, then add Ism to that. That means Mans ideology. Buddhism is built around the teachings of BUDDHA. figure the rest out yourself .

Judaism has its roots in spirituality and the divine
Hinduism is same but Buddhism stands out.

The Ism used as a suffix in each is just to show you that it's an ideology as well but the foundation of the ideology is where the difference is found

Just as Buddhism is built around the teachings of Buddha, so was:
Christianity built around the teachings of Jesus Christ;
Islam built around the teachings of Mohammed etc.

They all stem from "ideologies of men" that claimed that they were divinely inspired and I agree with them.

By the way, what foundation do you talk about?

butterflyl1on:
You miss the point. Let me ask WHO WAS GAUTAMA BUDDHA? A man? A spirit? A diety?

Buddha was man

The lexicographers that defined Buddhism in dictionaries also missed this point?
Wait! you're saying that the dictionary isn't correct in the first place?

hopefulLandlord:
if I understand you well, you're saying no religion is wrong and none is right?

Exactly!