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Shelumiel:
Yahweh is a name , while God is a term . Can you see the difference now ? Now , prove to me that God does not exist. Reply

Yahweh is a name for who?
God is a term for what?

Shelumiel:
We are talking about God , not Yahweh. Prove to me that God does not exist and I will gladly follow your atheist views .

In essence, Yahweh isn't God.

Man looks like an Egyptian mummy.

theunnamed:
True free thinkers believe in the existence of a Supreme Being.



The rest of you are just a bunch of angry children running around in defiance to those you believe to have done you wrong



Reminds me of Frank....Frank believes in Juju, but the existence of a Supreme Being is impossible.

Make una kwantinu

Juju is used to describe (often terrible) things we don't understand. Even poison can be called juju by people like you.

Shelumiel:
Lol...you watch magic shows of Chris Angel and co , right ? Please how are they performing those stunts(American juju) ...? Can your atheist belief explain ? I doubt . Stop fooling yourself. We are Nigerians and juju is a part and parcel of us . Any Nigerian who does not believe in juju is just trying to very hard to fool himself. But since you said you do not believe in juju...I will leave it here .

Those are properly managed and staged tricks meant to entertain the audience.

My self awakening started when I sought to deeply understand and unravel the wonder of God in nature; to understand God from a multicultural perspective not limited to Christianity.

paxonel:
this is how you people fail exams.

Common reasoning you cannot reason, yet you are quick to comment and attack comments you can't understand

My friend get lost!!!

This is where I decide to religiously believe that you're silly perhaps.

Charlatans!! Rogues!! Thieves!!
Fela sang about y'all.

paxonel:
i did not dispute this definition now or what's your problem?
Are you dumb?

If what i said about religion mean just belief in anything to you, you had better read it from the beginning.
Because i remember saying religion is far beyond a system of belief.
Meaning, it is a system of belief which includes believing in anything.

Even till today, there are people who still carve objects like sticks in their backyards believing that the sticks can protect them.
What do call that ,is that not religion?

Who accused you of disputing the definition of religion? When I said 'stop watering down the definition to mean belief in anything' How did you understand that? You don't remember saying that "Religion is simply belief in anything" in your first paragraph?
Apparently, it is you who needs to do the revisiting. This time take it slow.

One can belief in something religiously, and that doesn't make any belief a religion.

I still believe you're not silly. Is that religion?

who will read all this story? Just tell us which Sinach song was played in club? As in fitness club or Sunday school club?

JuanDeDios:
One Judas among 12? You kidding me? Masons are like other people. Nigerian Masons are like other Nigerians. That means Nigerian Masons are different from Masons you will find elsewhere, just like Nigerian Reverend Fathers and pastors are different from clerics elsewhere and can scam you if you don't watch them well.

I think people join secret societies like Freemasonry in a bid to acquire power, to expand their view. I doubt most of them find any power and improve their lives from them anyway.

It takes personal devotion, discipline and understanding to correctly practice and abide by certain codes.
Being a member alone doesn't guarantee that.

paxonel:
Religion has been defined as the believe in a god or group of gods, but i have come to discover that religion is far beyond that definition.
Religion is simply believing in anything.

Now everyone have the tendency to believe in anything therefore no one is free from religion.

What you believe is right inside your mind and that alone makes a religion to you, but you may not be conscious that it is religion but in the real sense it is actually one.

The bottom-line is, if you believe that it is only the air that is sustaining your life the air therefore becomes your religion.
If you believe in love and nothing else, love therefore becomes your religion.

Spirituality is just that spice you add to your belief whether it is love or air or stone or water or whatever.

In christianity, the spice we add for people to see is speaking in tongues and fervent prayer and being religious. But the actual religion is the believe in Jesus Christ for our salvation

Religion is religion!!! Religion is what it is; a system of belief in and the worship of god(s). Stop watering it down to mean just belief in anything.
I believe you're not silly. Where's the religion there.

hopefulLandlord:
How will your losing hope in your imaginary friend help your situation?

Don't feed bones to babes

hopefulLandlord:
This is a question I've always asked those that believe juju powers are real. How can we use this juju powers to make Nigeria better?

The day I asked the question for the first time was the only attempt at answering the question.

I was discussing with 2 men and 1 woman. their first reply was to warn me not to dare the powers of juju (they knew I'm an atheist). I replied that its not what my question implied and infact my question was built on the assumption that jujus are as powerful as they say they are. After a lot of running around the question without attempting to answer it the woman said that "Juju powers are made only to wrought destruction as its from the devil so it can never be used for good"

At that point I just nodded and changed the topic. I couldn't bring myself to challenge her thinking further at that time. This is a woman that believes all these world class bridges in developed countries are done in collaboration with marine juju powers. isn't that an example of "using juju for good" if its true that juju were involved in the constructions of those bridges? doesn't this point to the fact that she's compartmentalising?

It was then I noticed people believe all these juju stories due to a combination of fear, ignorance and indoctrination and would do anything to protect that belief

Thing is, what should and should not be called juju?

Well, there's hell on earth in Africa.

TimeMachine:
I have stepped outside the Solar System. So, the answer is Yes.

How so?

TimeMachine:
That is an erroneous postulate. Earth is not what you think it is.

Our Solar System is a well-designed and mechanized sentient hardware with Earth embedded as Solid State concave platform for the game of Life.

Step outside the event horizon and view the Solar System beyond the veil of the spectrum of visible light, using your internal guiding system and you will marvel at the super-technical construction of this plane we live on.

It is a beautifully constructed and programmed simulation. Earth was not spoken into reality, except may be the instruction to turn it on. It was well constructed by real beings. And is still being maintained always by Plasma Engineering teams from an alternate dimension of reality.

We are not alone, our brothers are around us, and they are us. We are family.

Have you ever left this biosphere? Atleast few miles into space?

jamael:
You speak with ignorance peculiar to folks who despise knowledge simply because it doesn't agree with their idiosyncrasies. But I won't bore you with arguments concerning the topic. Just response to you in line with your question and understanding.
Isaiah 66:1
“Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?”. So you see, God does not need a house.

The emphasis by God on us all is seen in the next verse.
Isaiah 66:2
“For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.”

Shalom.

So in essence?

HardMirror:
what do u have in mind?

Maybe "If God answered prayers..."

Great! It took you quite long to arrive at this observation.
Will you revisit your signature? "If prayers worked ..."

dalaman:
He's in for a long display of madness.

Sometimes I truly sit and imagine what that guy looks like and how those 'stuff' would flow from him in a real life convo.

winner01:
There were apostles in Africa too but that's not even the case

If we wanna stick to the Judeo christian God in this scenario, then we will only discuss the interventionist policies recorded in the Bible.

If we wanna stick to the Judeo Christian God, we have to honestly admit the fact that the interventions recorded were mostly geographically limited which calls to question our decision to use the bible inspite of that flaw.

winner01:
I guess you are also referring to the Judeo-christian God like john.


If so, I already explained that earlier and I'll repost it. This is why I need you to clearly define what you mean by intervention.

Judging Intervention of God into different levels of intensity from Bible isn't correct because the bible seems to focus on some middle eastern countries.
Did God intervene in other parts of the world while the New Testament apostles were busy in Israel and its environs?

winner01:
I guess you are also referring to the Judeo-christian God like john.


If so, I already explained that earlier and I'll repost it. This is why I need you to clearly define what you mean by intervention.

Intervention by God in this sense would mean 'the action of God in affecting or altering the normal or expected course of an event or events.
John first mentioned 'interventionist God' so perhaps he may add to that.

winner01:
That will depend on what johnydon meant by "God" when he asked the question.

I already replied that. There are levels to intervention so I'll need you to define it clearly.

What should I define? What levels of intervention are there? Isn't Intervention either present or absent. Isn't the levels you speak of based on human perspective which is fallible?

winner01:
tintingz, johnydon22, superhumanist, cutemadridsta, hahn, gabe, DeSepiero, AnonyNymous and Budaatum can you attempt to answer the question johnydon asked.

Here's the question: What would serve as evidence for Gods existence to you?


Let's subject your evidences to test if indeed there are any

Hi winner01,

I saw your response earlier but didn't have the time to address it due to work. I don't need evidence for or against God's existence. The bigger problem is what we call God and how we describe it.

That brings me back to the phrase 'interventionist God' like johnydon22 mentioned. How so?

johnydon22:
This could work for an interventionist God ..lol

Yes. What do you say winner01?

Talking about interventionist God, can it be correctly argued that God isn't interventionist?

winner01:
Abi na.

Perhaps man can't sufficiently convince fellow man (atheist) with evidence that God exists.
How about God convincing man?
Cc: johnydon22

Gggg102:
why create a problem just so you can solve it?
what do you think?

Boredom

JeromeBlack:
The statement in bold is very profound. Thanks

You're welcome

JeromeBlack:
Thanks for the advise but there are other atheists on this thread saying that I should ignore and move on. Why do you think otherwise?

You shouldn't ignore a small fire in one room because you're in another room of the same house.
You saw the need for a little change of attitude because for some reason it affects you too.

Tell him what you think he does wrongly.
Tell him why you think he does wrongly.
Tell him the effects when he does it.
After that, go on to:
Tell him how you think he should do it rightly.
Tell him how helpful it would be if he does it rightly.
Finally, ask him what he thinks.

NB. Do this privately and politely.

JeromeBlack:
Normally, I do not put my nose in other people's beliefs (or lack of beliefs). However, there is this atheist at my place of work that really needs to change his attitude towards others. Let us call this atheist "Vic".

I wouldn't care if not that many coworkers assign Vic's behaviour to his atheism. This makes it bad for other atheists like me who are still in the closet at work.

This Vic of a guy is tall, handsome and is in a higher position at work but he is also very much disliked. He is arrogant and he is a womaniser. He talks to people anyhow. Even when he debates atheism, he comes off as arrogant. I am happy that he challenges people to think about their beliefs but insulting them will only make them hate you.

The problem is, how do I tell him to calm down? I am not exactly his boss but I have a slightly higher position than him. I really do not talk about religion in public and this makes me nervous.



atheist brothers in the house- johnydon22, hahn, hopefullandlord, dalaman, capslocked, npcomplete

Thank me later