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 Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 8:26pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Oboy show all of us verse wey dey like this...as far as i know you have successfully dodged all the verses we have brought to you. We brought them, you dodged, ignored or considered them wrong renditions. So u see that your case is a serious one |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 8:23pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Jesus has been appointed as mediator between man and God the Father......i think you need a lecture on the roles of the 'persons'. But how will you understand that when you have not grasped the basics |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 8:20pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: How can you say God is a nature??....when you say one God is it a title. Smh. Its simple God is a nature just as man is a nature. Now is man a title. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 8:15pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
benalvino: how about your show us where the holy spirit is called a force in the bible?to add. Let then show us where Jesus was given ability to create life |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 8:11pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Oboy you guys have opened not one scripture to prove that the one GOD is 3 persons and not the Father alone.......those scriptures you dodged in my thread. Are a few. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 8:09pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: And the person who spoke is the oga who calls on his vendors.....interesting but childish question. As you can see i cant go beyond what is written. Hey they are not vendors. They are distinct persons with distinct roles. Dont go beyond what is written. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 8:01pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
Thoniameek: We have one God, that i know and not three.... In sunday school class we were thought that jesus is God's first ever creation(maybe before the universe as a whole) Now, God exalted christ next to him and also gave same authority he has over everything to jesus, just like christ himself said(i'am 'the' way, 'the' truth and 'the' life. Not 'a' way, truth or life but 'the' only way, it's definite) we can't get to the father except through him, and the holy spirit is christ presence comforting us till he comes, it is meant to direct us, to help us decern right from wrong( so, if you're confused over these, let the holy spirit help you out) I still stand that there's one God, but there're channels to get to him(the holy spirit, jesus christ and God himself) and if i pray to any, am praying to God himslef.... Mehn! A blog won't be enough to explain these!the only thing i have a problem with in what u said, is that Jesus was created. When was he created. Apart from that i can summarise all what you wrote as we can come to God through God himself. Thanks |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 7:57pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Acts 7:34-35stop confusing yourself with the various ways God interacts with people. Yes he uses agents when delivering messages, but we are talking about where the bible says that God said let us make man (an act that he is part of and other persons are part of, he is not outside the act,he didnt use any agent, what you are calling agents is what i call different roles of the persons involved in the creation) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 7:33pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
benalvino: how is it foolish... made like a god... he is not God by nature... in fact it was to only pharaoh... Now the thing is if we are God why is moses made like a god? Can one make a human like a human?gud qweshiön |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 7:31pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: The words EL and GIBBOR both mean mighty,powerful.....look at the person depending on the jews for the definition of what God is. Do you mind asking the jews whether Jesus is the messiah, then tell me what you think of the jews. Smh |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 7:25pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
truthislight: Mr round a circle, why are you always going round in a circle ?my friend if you answer my questions directly i wont ask them again. Its because you dodge them thats why i keep asking. If you can call Jesus the mighty God, the exact Word used for the father in isaiah 10:21, then why should you be asking where Jesus is called the one God. If the father is also the mighty God in isaiah 10, then how many mighty Gods do we have. My answer: there is only one mighty God. He is the father, he is the son, he is the holyghost. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 7:13pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Why not!!!.....ok good, we are coming up. You can call jesus mighty God, you can also call the father mighty God from isaiah 10:21. Alrite. he is called mighty God because he is mighty God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 7:00pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Who gave these invited persons the power to create??.......and may I ask why the persons who waited to be invited didn't invite the one doing the invitation first??.....1. You have not still shown where God gave the persons ability to create. 2. Can you say that you are the only person that did the work. Thats what am saying. If the cocreators are not the one God, then the father cannot say he is the sole creator, you yourself cannot say that you were created only by a one God. Other non one God persons were created you too. Thats what you are saying. In the end the one God is not the only one that created the universe. Keyword: only creator but if all the persons involved in the creation are the One God it tallies with the saying "only the one God created the universe". |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 6:11pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
truthislight: yes, i can call Jesus mighty God.my question is since you can call Jesus mighty God. WHO is mighty God in isaiah 10:21. I know you would dodge it. So i will just answer for you. The father is also called mighty God in isaiah 10:21. So the the question now arises. Why is the father and Jesus given the same rank of Mighty God. If they are not same |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 6:03pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: And since you are seeing the whole side of the cube kindly tell us that in genesis na 3 persons dey there.......my thread deals with that. I showed you where a certain Yahweh was talking about another Yahweh.u hav dodged them there |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 5:54pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Daniel 2:36-37shey u see yourself. Showed you where Jesus is called God, you say all of us are called God, showed you where Jesus is called mighty God you say God is almighty while Jesus is mighty, i showed you where The father is also mighty God. You now come up with this. What do you want again. I have do my best. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 5:41pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
truthislight: How can they show you in the bible ?thats what we have been trying to explain to you. You would either dodge, explain it away or call it a wrong rendition. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 5:37pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
truthislight: Blame your confussion on your (3) gods and not me.so as you cant explain to me what i asked, then i put it to you that if lieing to the holyspirit is equal to lieing to God, then Holyspirit is God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 5:32pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
truthislight: Jesus christ is Yahweh's master worker.and God said let us make. The person speaking was part of the the persons doing the work. He was not outside the work |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 5:28pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: The reason is because the persons who are carrying out a job alongside the one GOD who sends the invitation are his agents.......you dont get it. Do you. GOD did not send any representative. Now read genesis 11:7 let us go down. verse 8 says it was the lord that scattered. No agents there. In the creation, it does not say 'and God used this to create'. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 4:28pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: He is to be called mighty GOD....a powerful ruler, appointed king of Gods kingdom....he is to be called mighty God. my question now is, is Ijawkid among the persons who will call him mighty God |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 4:03pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: I want this desika to know that the person doing the inviting is the Father and he is not a part of those being invited.....he remains distinct and the one GOD....1. The invited persons already have the ability to create. [only The one God has the ability to create.all the other people you call god do not have an ability to create] 2. The invited and the one doing the inviting are distinct, thats why he can say 'us'. Yet they are one thats why he says 'i' [if i asked you who created the universe, u would say the one true God, if i told you that there were many people that created the universe. You would say no. Now this is where the mystery lies. The one God is the same as the many people who created [nb: angels are not among the many people wu created, as they cant create]. So its not wrong for me to call the co-creators the one God. [the implication of saying that the invited persons are not one God is that, you would be saying that you were created by the one God and other beings who are not the one God. It would mean that the father does not have the right to say he is the only one that created the universe. It would mean that next time when you read where it is written that God says "i alone created the universe" you Ijawkid and truthislight can boldly say "o spiritbeing you are lieing, some other beings who are not one God also created the earth with you] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 3:23pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Are your questions not trying to mislead u to disagree with the Father alone being the one GOD??....if you agree the one God is one person alone the Father and not 2 other added persons,why the dubious questions??.......unlike you i am seeing the whole sides of the cube, but you are seeing just a side of the cube and claiming that thats all there is to the cube. You are refusing to see the full picture. Do you wonder why an 'us' creator becomes an 'i' creator |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 3:22pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Are your questions not trying to mislead u to disagree with the Father alone being the one GOD??....if you agree the one God is one person alone the Father and not 2 other added persons,why the dubious questions??....... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 3:04pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
truthislight: Why not, Jesus is a mighty God, a powerful God.good,we are getting there. You can call Jesus mighty God, now pls go to isaiah 10:21 and tell me who is mighty God there. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 1:02pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: My problem is connect your cheap explanation of what you see in acts to the Fact that the only one GOD to us is the Father alone.......your problem is that you are running with one scripture, thats your problem. i hope you understand that we are saying that all those 3 are one God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 12:56pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
truthislight: See this one!young man, what you need to do for me is to tell me that when i sin against the holyghost am not sinning against God, when am lieing afainst the holyspirit am not lieing against God,when am calling the holyghst am not calling God. if you cannot do this, then sit down and ask yourself some questions and pls when you say God is a spirit is he an action. thank you |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 12:52pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: But you know the answer na......good, if they were many doing the creation, why did the person speaking not continually use we made you, we made you, why did he now say he alone created man. why the sudden change he says let us go down then the next minute the bible says He went down. he says let us create, then next minute he says aand i made. its all there all the answers you are looking for my friend. the 'us' is the same with the 'i'. that is why i say why i say the one God is an 'i' God yet he has an 'us' personality. he is 'i', he is 'us' also. are yu cleared |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 12:46pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
Thoniameek: You guys are all saying thesame thing, untill you realized that..... There's one thing God(YHWH) exalts above himself which is his 'Word' isaiah, or so, told me so, and john told me that jesus is his word made flesh( so is everything, living and non-living) then the bible has a meaning in calling 'us' god(s) and since God exalted christ above 'us' all(minor gods) I think whoever calls christ God isn't committing an offence at all.... I don't know if that made any sense?thank you ma'am. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 12:43pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Is Gods word the Father??.....i didnt negate the father being the one God, you are the one failling to reason. why does God say "llet us make" and then say "i made". did the persons reject his offer. the answer to that question is the answer you are looking for |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 12:41pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
truthislight: You dont know the name of your god, but you like a one way train wants to start arguing about "let us make man in our image",again you dodged my question, i have somewhere to go to, so plls do me the honour answer me before i leave. you say its not spelt out in the bible that God is three, but you have ability to reason for a purpose. am showing you why people say there is a three persn nature of God. pls do me the favor and answer. God says "Let us make" and then said "i made", did the persons he was asking ignore him. ps and ps answer me abeg |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Polytheists Vs Trinity by deSika(m): 12:37pm On Jun 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Cheiii......na bibe i quote i did not give my opinion. i only emphasised on what the bible says. when Peter says lie to the holyspirit is lieing to God, in extension sinning against the holyspirit is sinning against God, why dont you tell Peter that "Mr Peter, no you cant say that, the holyspirit is not God and and we cant sin againt(lie to) him, we sin against against the father only" |
is he not powerful ? Yes he is.