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plaetton: Forgiveness of sins is a grand delusion. The bible, yes the bible, makes no mention of god, a.k.a Yahweh, ever ever granting forgiveness without first exacting his own system of measured justice.

The biblical god, a.k.a Yahweh, in over 2000yrs of direct dealings with the hebrews, never ever forgave anyone without punishment.

I challange any and all christians to show anywhere in the bible where Yahweh forgave anyone or group without punishment.

Deep Sight: But surely, their acts of wearing sackcloth and ashes, denying themselves food and water, and all that - surely those acts served as penance and atonement which the Lord saw before averting the disaster.

plaetton: I challange any and all christians to show anywhere in the bible where Yahweh forgave anyone or group without punishment.

maclatunji: And where did the dust come from?

Mintayo: Gibberish!

ijawkid: The Father remains the sole creator because he created Jesus whom he used as agent......

An agent does the will of his maker or sender.......

It just as the Father would ressurect the dead through his son......

Chikena!!!

What about the ability to ressurect the dead.....isn't it an exclusive right of God the Father??.......

But lo and behold his son can ressurect d dead,his servants on earth can too.....

And get this into your brain....Jesus himself was created...

The Father grants his vendors with what ever powers he dims fit....and Jesus being his firstborn he has given immeasurable abilities.........

You are being naughty ooo.......

Oya Jesus was created and used as Gods vendor to create things other than himself who was caused by the Father.......


And the ability to create is not what makes God the Father the one God......

ijawkid: The Father remains the sole creator because he created Jesus whom he used as agent......

An agent does the will of his maker or sender.......

It just as the Father would ressurect the dead through his son......

Chikena!!!


What about the ability to ressurect the dead.....isn't it an exclusive right of God the Father??.......

But lo and behold his son can ressurect d dead,his servants on earth can too.....

And get this into your brain....Jesus himself was created...


The Father grants his vendors with what ever powers he dims fit....and Jesus being his firstborn he has given immeasurable abilities.........



You are being naughty ooo.......

Oya Jesus was created and used as Gods vendor to create things other than himself who was caused by the Father.......


And the ability to create is not what makes God the Father the one God......

ijawkid: Please can you get just one explicit verse that says the angels were created??...

I don't know if I've seen before o...

If there is make ona help me bring am come....


I am asking this question to know......

obadiah777: YOU DONT GET TO OWN THE HOUSE YOU PAID FOR. YOU ARE ONLY BORROWING IT WHEN YOU ARE ALIVE. WHEN YOU ARE DEAD IT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE. YOU DONT REALLY OWN ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD. YOU ARE JUST BORROWING IT ALL WHILE ON EARTH. PONDER ON THAT

ijawkid: These scriptures are confusing to you because you believe in the trinity and would do anything to convince yourself and force the trinity into these innocent verses...

I had earlier told you of how the hebrews wrote down words idiomatically by one refering or doing something with reference to himself...I used that verse in 1 kings 8:1 as a perfect example.....

And may I clarify issues on this isaiah 48:16....

The person who was sent in that verse is ISIAIH himself who was Gods prophets....

And that prophecy was to fulfill on cyrus whom God used deliver the isrealites from the babylonians .........

truthman2012: I congratulate you for they changing only the subject of your thread. They deleted mine (Similarities Between Islam and Hinduism) completely.

They are defending allah who the quran says is capable of defending himself (Quran 4:171). Don't they believe him?

truthman2012: Lies of the Devil. Was Jesus a Jew or an Arabia? How would he be born in Israel and come back to die in Arabia?

Who told Muhammad Jesus is coming back to die in Syria?

You know what? Jesus said many will claim to be him in different places of the world. He warned we should not believe them.

If a man in Syria claims to be Jesus, he is fake. There have been many fake Jesus already even in Nigeria.

ayenny02: I don't want you to HUG the transformer that's why I just ignore you because you still repeating the same thing. Go back and see your shame from where you don't know d diff btw God and Holy spirit. I have many people to attend to, so you can't expect me to sit down with someone who will HUG the transformer at last.
If you have another question to answer pls take one from other 9 questions that still not unanswered or stay out of the MATCH and go and sit down to RESERVE Bench to watch the GAME

ijawkid: I was created by the one God through his agent.......

The agent himself has been granted the ability to engage in creation while he himself was created by the one God...




Jesus been able to create does not mean he meets up with the criteria for the one GOD.....the ability to create is not the only criteria that makes Yahweh the one God....there are other things my bro.....

And like I said before....Jesus himself was created by the Father so you have no ground to stand...

God infact has given his son the ability to do so many things......God the Father has granted his son to even have life in himself.......he has granted this his son power.....everything Jesus can do was granted to him.......




Oboy ben taught nothing....ask him if he didn't cower in his own argument when scriptures was opened to show what Jesus being the beginning of Gods creation was forwarded.....

Ask the fraudulent ben to come over here and let us ressurect the topic........


I want you desika to tell me what it means for Jesus to be the beginning of GOD's creation....

And mind you Jesus isn't the GOD in bold....

And like I said and I stand by it,Jesus was given the ability to engage In creation after he himself was the first of Gods creation...

Now you can see why I say I was created and that the world was created by The Father through his son(agent)......

truthislight: What i get from Ijawkid's post is that the word God is a title that even humans get.

So that when you see christ etc being called God, you dont affixed your three (3) gods into it.

And he then showed you Psalms where Yahweh called humans Gods. QED.

If you wish to add salt and pepe to what he had said, then, suite yourself.

Thoniameek: Jesus was created, yes!

truthislight: On red is a silly question.

We are explaining What the bible says.
It does not mean we underate the person of christ.

But you have completely ignored the father, sorry for you.

ijawkid: ok you want to see where humans are refered to as EL GIBBOR??....

Ezekiel 32:21

New International Version
(©2011)
From within the realm of the dead
the mighty leaders will say of
Egypt and her allies, 'They have
come down and they lie with the
uncircumcised, with those killed
by the sword.'

New Living Translation (©2007)
Down in the grave mighty leaders
will mockingly welcome Egypt and
its allies, saying, 'They have come
down; they lie among the outcasts,
hordes slaughtered by the sword.'



Do you know that the hebrew word rendered mighty leaders in plural in that verse is EL GIBBOR??........

And I know you wouldn't want to see more verses where mountains,other humans,all the angels are refered to as "EL"


And like I had said earlier.....EL and GIBBOR both mean the same thing....

Go and do a research on the words EL and GIBBOR and stop this charade.....

ijawkid: Oh please...Jesus had a beginning if you must know.......

He is the beginning of Gods creation......

........

He had a beginning......he had a start.....




I was created by God through his agent......

Just as an employee recieves salary from his OGA through an agent(cashier or accountant) while the aCcountant himself is still an employee..........








Got it wrong......

Christ is Gods vendor......and isn't the one God ......




My creator remains the Father........

ijawkid: You forgot to add all the human rulers who were also refered to as EL GIBBOR....

My brother your wayo won't work........

To us there is but one GOD THE FATHER.......


Can't you gulp in this simple ABC of the scriptures??..........

And till this moment not even one scripture unequivocally supports your assertion.........


Can't you find a verse where it is said the one GOD is the Father,son and holy spirit.....

Why e dey hard for ona to support this false teaching with clear scriptures

Why??......

Polytheists on rampage....

ijawkid: Please you didn't answer why Jesus would be called EL GIBBOR.....

Please answer.......

Human kings have answered the same title.....

So I have dismantled what ever intentions you have to link this to mean Jesus is equal to the Father the one GOD.....

Why would Jesus be called EL GIBBOR??......

ijawkid: the person who worked alongside God the Father can't be the one God alongside the Father because that person himself had a beginning........

Jesus himself had a beginning....

So the Father remains the sole creator.......




Like I have asked you in previous threads....

Is there anything that Jesus can do or any ability Jesus has that wasn't bestowed on him by the Father??...........

Is there any??.......

The Father confers abilities and authorities to his servants,sons,creations as he wishes.....

That is why he remains the one GOD.....

That is why Jesus calls him MY GOD.......

benalvino: Dude... when Jesus have one unique thing why do you always Cook strange arguments about humans having same thing? who is the only savior the bible talks about? who is the savior of the world? we are not talking about saving 2 of my village people... we are talking about saving mankind from adam and eve till the last day.

that's your thing always find something to use to try to take Jesus glory away. soon you go say all the people who get sheep for their farm na shepherd as Jesus.

and i told you that those savior wey you they talk about still need saving from Jesus so how are they the savior?
this is not the point though.
My issue is that you keep changing Jesus identity... the other day you admit he is a false god... today he is not a false god to you.

you guys use to worship jesus... then you stopped, then you start to worship him again, then you stopped. lol that is confusion and i am seeing it here.

truthislight: That is the way you lot always "put it" and arrived at three (3) gods and counting.

Keep "putting" gods for yourself.

Errm, dont forget the God at philipians 3:19, the belly God.

That will help you.

Mr many Gods

ijawkid: Since nebuchadnezzar can be called the king of kings and Jesus too......

Who was called king of kings in revelation??......

You still have not learnt to recognize people........

You cannot go around confusing people because of titles.......

You are not a kid o........

I have opened my mouth a million times to say even human rulers have been refered to as EL GIBBOR's.......

Are they the Father because they are called by that title??.....

I give up....

ijawkid: The Father is not the beginning of Gods creation......

The Father is not a messenger of God

The Father is not the image of God..

The Father is not the glory of God...

The Father is not the son of God.....

The Father is not an apostle of God...

The Father is not Jesus Christ...

The Father is the one GOD and Jesus isn't ......


Should I go on.......


And I see you mention shepherd........

You know how many people God don call shepherd before even Christ answer that title??.....

Thoniameek: So, it's almost like jesus is an angel but to the father alone, right?.... So, i don't need to pray to him or cast out demons in his name, in fact i don't have to hold him in thesame regard as 'the father' right? ( but remember the father asked me to regard christ in thesame way i regard Him) wouldn't i be disobeying the father? But i don't get is Jesus christ not worth our worship? Because these is all sounding like he isn't worth all the honor he gets...