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maclatunji: So that you can ask for more proof to prove the proof. I prefer to toy with you lot. You are not here to learn.

maclatunji: ^Do you write exams at the point when your report card is being handed to you?

maclatunji: Very inept question. It is called Day of Judgement not "Day of Doing" or "Day of Sinning".

It is like asking: [b] can the answer a student gives [/b]or a thought he has about his exam at the point of receiving his report card affect the results contained therein?

An highly unintelligent question to ask.

lanrexlan: Similarities between Christianity and paganism
*Followers of both religions celebrated a ritual meal involving bread.It was called a missa in Latin or mass in English.
*Both the Catholic church and Mithraism had a total of seven sacraments.Epiphany, JAN-6,was originally the festival in which the followers of Mithra celebrated the visit of the Magi to their newborn god-man.The Christian Church took it over in the 9th century.There are many possible explanations of the similarities between earlier Pagan and later rebranded to Christian beliefs,practices and the lives of their god-men Christians copied Pagans: This is perhaps the most obvious theory. Celsus was a Platonist and polemical writer against Christianity who lived in the late 2nd century CE According to Tony Bushby, he"complained that this recent religion [of Christianity}was only a pale reflection" of Pagan belief.Some festivals of Christianity like christmas also has a pagan beginning.

lanrexlan: The Prophet(pbuh) said:"When a man dies,all his deeds come
to an end except for three-an ongoing charity,beneficial knowledge or a righteous child who will pray for him."(Muslim hadith 357),
So,do you expect a man to commit sins on the day of judgement or in his grave? Do you expect him to offer SOLAT,give zakat,fast in the month of ramadan,perform Hajj on the day of judgement or in his grave? These things are very straightforward and easy to understand,it's not possible to commit sins or do any form of worship after one's death,the only thing that will benefit you is the deeds that you've done when alive.Let's hope you comprehend it.....Peace

cleanvessel: @ deSika

All I can say is: God bless you in aboundance. More knowledge, more power, more annointing in Jesus name.

Signed: cleanvessel

ayenny02: Holy spirit still not mean God from your explanation, am trying to let u understand that God is God and Holyghost, holy spirit, gabriel are the creations of God and Jesus is a human being not God or holy spirit

Angels are spirits created by God, they are different from the spirit which God breathes into human beings, it becomes conscience after death and returns to God.  Obviously, the “soul” and “spirit” are the same, but angels are not human spirits, they are ones who take our spirits at death, (Angel of Death), they are a different species altogether.

My point is the Bible shows that angels are spirits but GOD is the creator of the spirits,

There are only two passages in the Bible that identify angels as spirits (Ps. 104:3, Heb. 1:14), now if we apply these verses to the Holy Spirit, there is complete harmony, the Holy Spirit is an angel, he is the chosen leader of the angels to God’s prophets and messengers, yet the Bible says that Cyrus the pagan was inspired, and so was Balaam, by the Spirit, and they were not prophets!

Let us quote the verses that speak of angels as spirits:

Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. (Psalms 104:3-5)

Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? (Hebrews 1:14)

We find there is no reason not to apply these verses to the Holy Spirit. The Psalm is stating that God “maketh angels as spirits” and Hebrews says that angels “are sent to those who will inherit salvation” which denotes the role of the Holy Spirit.

ayenny02: he is the chosen leader of the angels to God’s prophets and messengers

truthislight: "Red eye rabbit"

mazaje: . . .Cry all you want. . .It seems that is the only thing muslims are good at when given a taste of their own medicine. . .The gleefully and happily declare that all churches should be destroyed in the Arabian peninsula, destroy Buddhist shrines and monuments in their lands, refuse to allow others practice their religions freely in their lands. . .We have people like Dr Zakir Naik and many others on video saying that non muslims should not be allowed to erect their places of worship in muslims lands yet when muslims are given a taste of their own medicine they cry and whine as if it is the end of the world. . [size=14pt] . Ridiculous hypocrites . . .[/size]

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel; If a man is Loved by my Lord, none is Loved more than Muhammad [SA], the warner, the prophet, the messenger, the judge [what else would you want to add, even if it is not true?]. when you asked and you were served, instead of accepting reality, you just have to move the goal post. typical.


with the accusation you leveled that God provided all the desires of Muhammad [sa], you did not notice that compared to anyone in human history, his Lord has not loved anyone born of a woman more than him, even though he was no more than a slave, servant and human messenger. it seems to me that the verse of Isiah fits this servant [SA] than anyone else in human history because after the verse was revealed to Isiah, Muhammaad was the only judge instead o anyone judging him, and as a servant of God, God supported him by ruhu amin [ruhu qudud, Gabriel] that appeared to humanity.

we know where he was a judge and the groups he judged were both jews and gentiles in madina. God raised his esteem to the highest in the presence of children of israel and his authority was not limited to them, but included the gentiles; arabs. when you are living in fantasy and making stories instead of seeking the mercy of God directly, the reality is with us in Islam in the person of the holy prophet [sa]. we do not have to exaggerate or diminish but state the true quality of people God appointed.

ayenny02: I can see your level of ignorance, I just wasting my time explain what
you yourself don't know nothing abt it.
I will explain it to you to know the different btw God, Jesus and Holy
spirit

HOLY SPIRIT AND HOLY GHOST MEAN ANGEL GABRIEL
Matthew 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his
mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was
found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Compare now with Luke 1:26-27
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a
city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the
house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Mattew mentioned holy ghost and luke mentioned the angel gabriel, so the
HOLY GHOST is then the ANGEL GABRIEL

So GOD is GOD,

Holy spirit or Holy Ghost is ANGEL GABRIEL

JESUS is...........................

From my explanation I want you yourself to answer what jesus is before I
will know maybe I will continue with Paraclete or not because without
you don't know the meaning of Holy ghost definitely you will not
understand others

ayenny02: "Parakletos" or "Periklytos"?:
One thing that the reader needs to know is that Jesus peace be upon him spoke Aramaic during his ministry. What you have from Greek Bibles is nothing but a mere translation to what Jesus originally spoke. It's not any different than the English translation that we have today.

And as any linguistic person would tell you, translating words from language to language can be quite challenging, because it is easy for mistranslations to occur and for sentences to be taken out of context. Languages and styles of speaking and writing are effected by their cultures. People write a certain way and speak certain words at certain situations because of their cultural standards. What might be ok for a person to say in one culture might be offending if said in another.

So the point is clear: You can't take the Greek translation of the Bible all for granted, because it wasn't the mother language that Jesus spoke! You want to disprove that Muhammad was foretold by Jesus, then disprove it from the Aramaic language and not the Greek

ayenny02: Now as to "and He will give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever", as a Muslim I believe that this is referring to Prophet Muhammad, since Muhammad in Arabic means "the glorified" or "the honored", and "Periklytos" in Greek also means "the honored" one.

Christians believe that the Greek word for "comforter" is translated from the word "Paraclete" ("Ho Parakletos" in Greek).

Parakletos in Greek is interpreted as "an advocate", one who pleads the cause of another, one who councils or advises another from deep concern for the other's welfare (Beacon Bible commentary volume VII, p.168).

But if we look at the case of John 14:26, we find that it is the only verse of the Bible which associates the Parakletos with the Holy Spirit.

Spirit in the Bible refers to "Human Prophets" and not Ghost Spirits. Take this example:

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world," (1 John 4:1-3)

Therefore, there is ample proofs that Jesus predicted a coming of a Human Comforter and not the Holy Spirit as Christians falsely believe. The advocate and the Glorified one that was foretold by Jesus is a Human Prophet and not a Holy Ghost. This human prophet is Muhammad (saw), and the the Noble Quran, the revelation that Muhammad brought from Allah Almighty is what "will abide with us forever" as Jesus said.

ayenny02: 2. How many Spirits are there? God the Father is a Spirit (John 4:24), the Lord Jesus is a Spirit (II Corinthians 3:17), and the Holy Spirit is a Spirit by definition. Yet there is one Spirit (I Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 4:4

RoyPCain: @cleanvessel: Is Jesus God or Servant of God? If Jesus was God he can not be servant of God, in the same way that neither of the other 2 in the Trinity can not be servant. If Jesus was servant He can not be God, unless both the 2 in Trinity can be servants. You can not have master and servant in the same body on the same job. you can not CEO of major organization and you are the janitor at the same time. You can not put on a suit at a board meeting and at the same time put on apron and cleaning gloves hosing down the toilets. One position is a farce if the other is remotely plausible or probable.




it seems to me that the servant spoken by Isaiah must be someone who spoke to gentiles, someone who took the message of guidance to them and not restricted it to the non gentiles, the nations of the children of Israel. Did Jesus spread his message to the gentiles or was it strictly for the children of Israel? if he didn't invite the gentiles, then he can never the one spoken about by Isiah. read the qualification, again to catch the true quality of the one expected after the verse was revealed to Isiah.

did you ask if Muhammad executed judgment on the gentiles? the answer is yes. The arabs in Makka are gentiles, or are the children of Israel?

Muhammad [SA] is known as the Beloved of God [Abibullah; research it and dont let your anger and hatred cloud your mind].

ijawkid: Please read the solomon account and confess if the name solomon was just being repeated.........

There says solomon summoned persons to king solomon......

Are your eyes filled with alomo bitters??


Let me school you......

read the 2 preceding verses before verse 16 of isaiah 48

......
14-15
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear ;
which among them hath declared these
things?
The LORD hath loved him: he will do his
pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on
the
Chaldeans. 15 I, even I, have spoken ; yea, I
have called him: I have brought him, and he
shall make his way prosperous .


Please compare isaiah 41:2, 44:28,
45:1,13 ,46:11 and see with your blind folded eyes that the person been sent and annointed by Yahweh is cyrus......


Isaiah 45:1

1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed,
to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to
subdue nations before him and to strip kings
of their armor, to open doors before him so
that gates will not be shut:

13 I will raise
up Cyrus in my righteousness: I will make all
his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and
set my exiles free, but not for a price or
reward, says the LORD Almighty


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You don belleful??........

frosbel: Let me help you , the death , burial and resurrection of Jesus was for the redemption of sinners from sin and death and to make them partakers of God's eternal kingdom. This is the good news of the kingdom , that death has been defeated forever by the resurrection of Jesus.

lanrexlan: Bro maclatunji,don't mind him jare,I thought he will be able to reason but he just proved me wrong.The day of Judgement that everyone will be recompense for his or her deeds,how will worship takes place again? But he can't think

maclatunji: It will not be possible to commit shirk or any other sin on the day of judgement. I said it earlier, the rules would have changed.

ijawkid: Please read the solomon aCcount there....

You are just quoting scriptures right left center without even going into real studying of texts and how the hebrew scriptures were written..

Like I said cyrus is the fellow who is sent....

The reading in that verse which sounds confusing to you is the same reading found in 1 kings 1:8.......

Yahweh remains one Yahweh just like solomon remains 1 solomon.....

Study the scriptures completely before exposing your ignorance....

There are similar examples of such texts which sound confusing but its just a normal Jewish hebrew style of writing.....

You can read something similar in exodus 24:1......

ijawkid: So did Jesus by any means tell the man he is that one God that should be called GOOD??....

Your olodoness no get part 2...........

Jesus' reply has killed you...

ijawkid: E be like you get eye problem....chei.....

So you believe in 3 Gods naaa......not 1 again........

Confused bobo...

Where you see 3 Gods for the scripture you quote??......

Abeg go wear eye glass....

.....



I can't see 2 Yahwehs in that verse....you get eye problem my bro...

ijawkid: @desika....Johns verbatim re-quote of that verse exposes the truth as to that zechariah 12:10....

Please read those Jewish translations up there............

ijawkid: @ desika look at these Jewish translations and get the point of zechariah 12:10 instead of projecting your strong headedness and ignorance.....


Jewish Translations

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And I will pour upon the house of David, and
upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit
of grace and of supplication; and they shall look
unto Me because they have thrust him through;
and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth
for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for
him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-
born. Jewish Publication Society.
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And I will pour out upon the House of David
and the inhabitants of Jerusalem with a spirit
of grace and supplications. And they shall look
to me because of those who have been thrust
through [with swords], and they shall mourn
over it as one mourns over an only son and shall
be in bitterness, therefore, as one is
embittered over a firstborn son. Judaica
Press NACH Series; translation by R' A. J.
Rosenberg.

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But I will pour upon the house of David, and
upon the inhabitants of Yerushalayim the spirit
of grace and of supplication: and they shall look
towards me, regarding those whom the nations
have thrust through. And they shall mourn for
him (that is slain) as one mourns for an only
son, and shall be in bitterness over him, as one
that is in bitterness for a firstborn. The
Jerusalem Bible, Koren Publishing.
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And I will pour upon the house of David, and
upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit
of grace and of supplication; and they shall look
unto Me, because they have thrust him
through; and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in
bitterness for him, as one that is in
bitterness for his first-born. Soncino Books of
the Bible; edited by R' Dr. A. Cohen.

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I will pour upon the house of David and upon
the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace
and supplications. They will look toward Me
because of those whom they have stabbed,
they will mourn over him as one mourns over an
only [child], and be embittered over him like
the embitterment over a [deceased]
firstborn. ArtScroll Stone Edition Tanach;
ArtScroll/Mesorah.

ijawkid:
Jesus is not bad....neither is he all GOOD.....

Jesus rebuked the man who called him rabbi,and reminded the man that there is only one who is GOOD.......

Jesus was only showing that man that he recognizes the Father as all and all in all ramifications with GOODness inclusive......

Got the point??......

And I have told you ,your reasoning on this false God issue is not in complete allignment with the scriptures.......

As long as one isn't my GOD,he or she can be refered to as God without being a false GOD...........

Don't you get this point??.......

ijawkid: Chei I don die for this explanation.....you be first class olodo.....

Please when you are off the alomo bitters you're drinking kindly read the bolded......

Someone just called Jesus good rabbi and Jesus' knee jerk reaction was with the question in the bolded....

How you want to twist this clear statement and retort upside down is what is baffling....

Never knew you to be a patholigical liar ....

ijawkid: Do you know that this verse was directed to cyrus the medo persian king??...

Smh for your olodoness......

And what is it with this verse...??....of what use is it to this discussion??