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ijawkid: Why did God even need anybody to reason with him in the first place...??...

The point here is God who is the supreme ruler over all is inviting persons to do something with him even when he is over all....

And I have asked::..who offered the invitation??....

are you seeing what you are doing. you are obviously dodging the question.
pls i beg you, pls and pls pls, did the persons he was talking to reject his offer. thank you

truthislight: See them ^, Worshpers of multiple gods.

lol, na your bible e dey o, 'let us make' and then 'i made'. you no agree with your bible, that is yur headache

Thoniameek: Na wa o.... Na only one God we get o( drop the trinity ish) it isn't mentioned in the bible for crying out loud!!! If i pray mentioning the holy spirit or Jesus christ, i know am refering to God Almighty(YHWH) because they're his actions and having a will of their own( just like human, we have a will of own too, just like satan) but his 'actions' are working together to his will... It all boils down to us having one God, only one God! Abeg na... Make una agree na.. Abeg! Say na one God we get, ABEG!!! *crying*

Gods word is God, his spirit is God. i dont know why someone would be arguing with that

truthislight: The word God is a title.

And in this title "God" Jesus is highly rank = powerful God.

But the most powerful God is the father = Yahweh.

isaiah 9:6 and his name shall be called mighty God.

truthislight can you call the messiah mighty God

isaiah 10:21 who is mighty God here. how many mighty Gods do w have

ijawkid: He is to be called mighty GOD....a powerful ruler, appointed king of Gods kingdom....

He is not my GOD......

Isaiah didn't pen those words and say ""he would be called my mighty GOD""...

Isaiah had his senses intact....he knew who was his God......

I repeat.....Jesus is not my God....the Father alone is....

isaiah 9:6 and his name shall be called mighty God.

ijawkid can you call the messiah mighty God

pls can you answer a question for once and stop answering questions with question, pls when God said let us and then said i made. did the persons he was talking to refuse to join in. thank you

by the way when God said let us reason, he did not go oon to say and Good reasoned. so stop confusing yourself and answer my question.
when God said let us and then said i made, did the persons he was talking to reject his call

ijawkid: When God said let us reason......

Did the person(s) he was talking refuse to engage in the reasoning??...

And was the person(God) who made the statement "let us" the same as the persons he was addressing??....

Remember I want you to scripturally tell me who your one GOD is...

So far so Good you are not on the side of the Jews and with the apostles who know that the one GOD to us is the Father alone......

Are you among the US mentioned in 1 corinthians 8:6...??

Are you??.....

your answer is staring at you here. you say i should show you from sciptures who my God is. Peter says if am lieing to the Holyspirit am lieing to God. If am worshipping holyspirit am worshipping God, if am calling on the holyspirit am calling on God, if am praying to the holyspirit am praying to God, if am sinning against the holyspirit am sinning against God.

does it help yu with the answer yu want

truthislight: No, we are not saying the same thing.

You call the Holy spirit a person and the doing of a different person.

I see it as an action of Yahweh and not two person.



Yahweh is the person and not his action.

I am the person and not my actions.

whats a spirit, young man
is spirit an action. just beause you want to defend lies make u turn your reasoning upside down. when you say God is a spirit is he an action. smh

ijawkid: Who was this GOD that made the statement ""let us""??...

It is obvious the one saying "let us" isn't the same as the person(s) he was addressing .....


Who made the statement "let us"??....

answering question with question.
pls answer mine, why did he say let us and then say i made, did they persons he was talking to not join him in the creation

ijawkid: When would benalvino grasp the point that Jesus is not my GOD??.......

Benalvino do you understand the bolded??.........

is jesus your mighty god

ijawkid: Chei............

Your God is 3 persons and not one my brother......

Who is the polytheist here??....

Me or you??.....

why does peter say if you are lieing to holyspirit you are lieing to God.

why does God say let us make and then say i made. Did the persons he was talking to refuse to join him

ijawkid: He doesn't know who is God is...

He is so confused.......

He mentioned 3 seperate individuals as his God and struggling to merge them as one GOD...

Oya open a scripture to show what he expressed as his God,he is running around like lionel messi.......

Today we go find out who be polytheist.....

why does God say let us make and then say i made. Did the persons he was talking to refuse to join him in creation

truthislight: Lol. ^

You are confused, you dont know your God.

why does God say let us make and then say i made. Did the persons he was talking to refuse to join him

truthislight: No peter is not.

The activity of the Holy spirit is a reference to Yahweh in action.

so if activity of holyspirit is equal to Yahweh in action, are we not saying same thing. In the end you arrive at holyspirit being God and not an idol

The holyspirit is operational in the disciples was from God and as such, their lying/going against the leading of the holy spirit in them is lying against Yahweh, the one whose power was leading them.
[quote]simple statement. You have lied against the holyspirit you have lied against God. What else do you need to see where lieing to holyspirit means lieing to God

[quote]same way that the bible calls the father almighty God and Jesus mighty God:

"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (Exodus 6:3).

And Jesus :

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6).

isaiah 10:21 who is called mighty god there

Your thread has been properly dealt with, Jesus had blood in him as such was not a spirit person. Chikena

no

ijawkid: ......

Oh your God is the one who said "let us make "........

Ok please who is he??.......

I just clearly said mine is the Father alone...

Please be specific as to who the speaker is......

Who is your God??.....

pls am waiting for your acts 5:3,4

my God is the father,the son and the holyghost. His name is Yahweh

ijawkid: Oboy peter no call holy spirit God for that scripture...you're been deluded by your trinitarian mind and also twisting that verse to suit your delusion.......

And peter never refered to the holy spirit as his GOD........




And I'm getin ready to go to your thread......

And may I ask you the same question I have been asking benalvino.....

WHO IS YOUR GOD??.....

People called GOD is no problem to me,what is in question here is who is our GOD??...who is your God??...who is benalvinos GOD??....

Make ona answer o make we know if ona be monotheist or polytheist.....

do you mind quoting acts 5:3,4

my God is the one who says "let us make" yet says "i made". does that help you

ijawkid: You on the other hand call Jesus your God,call the Father your God and also call the holy spirit your God....

runaway Ijawkid, how did ur exams go.

I guess Peter must also be a trinitarian in acts 5:3,4. He called the holyspirit God. He said when we lie to the Holyspirit we are lieing to God. Could Peter be talking about us lieing to "a non one God"

one thing is for sure, the bible don try for people like u. E b like say the bible know say people like u go say Jesus na God just like me and u na God, him con quick quick add 'mighty' to Jesus own God so u no go say him na the same level of god him be with satan and angels. But still you still de show your gragra. Na oyo things 4 u.

By the way u have some yet to be attended issues on my thread

shalom aleichem

Ayenny i see u r ignoring my post because it contains truth u cant contend wit.

RoyPCain: @truthman2012; can you tell which prophet God appointed and how did God Himself made the appointment, like what did God say to the prophet to now make the ordinary person before now a prophet? i know God spoke to Moses in via the Burning Bush to become a prophet [as]. Give me 2 or 3 more examples like that. How about John, or Jesus or Abraham or even Joseph or Jacob?

o man, yoou are following the prophet of an angel. true or false. all the messages he had were they from God or from an angel, which prophet have you seen receiving message from an angel almost 100 percent. pls keep deluding yourself

God send His Angels to kill the first born of even animals alone with man. God can use any means. I know so the case of God is very special. He is The Holiest.

Now God commanded Moses or did Moses command himself to kill or by the killing Moses was not a prophet of God?

Joshua, Saul, David, Solomon, etc fought wars. Jesus taught Jihad though te peaceful didnt have the opportunity yo fight. nevertheless, a theoretical jihadist.

do permit me to call you a big fat liar, for saying Jesus taught Jihad, Jihad against who

@truthman2012 and desika; Heavens where the prophets [as] seen in the night journey is Paradise because where the shoes of Bilal [ra] was heard was not in any of the 7 but the real paradise. further, the idea that all muslims will end up in hell first is completely different from what the Quran says over and over again, where in some are already in paradise and other like those already in paradise will not even have any accounting to make. finally, the muslims punished is because they are punished for what they didnt seek forgiveness for. and they will get out upon that while the hypocrites will not and their condition will worse than outright disbelievers in hell. I pray for the muslims alive today and those who will come in future generations not to be from among the muslims who are punished for sins because they did not make repentance and not to be in the rank of the hypocrites. Amin.

all muslims are going to hell. how does that feel. abi you want me to show u again. pls say hi to the devil when yu get there.

@desika; 1 person can not be in 2 places at the same time, especially alive and his presence is felt in Paradise if God does not will it as a message to the one who sees it and the one seen. But God is capable of making ordinary become extraordinary. And being heard in paradise is an extraordinary thing expected and befitting in an extraordinary journey. There are many things that are extraordinary that we take for granted and you only have problems with appearing in paradise while still alive because paradise is not something in your belief, while heaven is. Example of extraordinary things were the creation of Adam from dust. then making Hawa from him. then sending the two down alive onto the earth to have children which they did not have in the lap of luxury in the Garden. and God made no sexual intercourse in the life of Mary produce pregnancy of a boy. the ordinary boy of an extraordinary pregnancy you overstep the bounds of all conceivable logic to call him God while are still maintaining that God is One. so the ordinary bilal to be seen in Paradise you believe that he must die first.

Muhammad [sa] by the Might of God had an extraordinary journey and you are flabbergasted that he 'heard the sound of the shoes' of a believe in Paradise.

When i read where you said God can not even see you in 2 places, I know i have to leave you alone so that you can cool your heels. The same God Who created and created many like you, males and females on the same day you restrict about what humans who believe in God expect God to do. Dont you know God can do extraordinary things like making you appear in two places at the same time so that ordinary man can see you [if satan can shrink the earth to let Jesus the whole of it in one glance, not that i believe it]?

You asked me if there was a prophet [sa] who had made the same statement similar to what Muhammad [sa] about believer Bilal [ra]. Let me give you 1 from the bible similar to it from Jesus; he said the thief who believed will be in heaven [meaning jewish paradise] with him, even when the man is being slaughtered for his crime. Another from the bible; the people who were at the batmizva of Jesus, hearing people on earth and hearing God in 'heaven [not paradise or is it paradise?]. Another from the bible; the book of revelation is about people on earth seeing the earth and seeing heaven [this heaven is ordinary heaven or is it paradise?] at the same time. unless your position is that each of these is an imaginary, then i understand why you bring that culture of believing what is not real to examine Islam. everything in Islam is accepted based on firm knowledge and faith intertwined. God in Islam is The Able and does not need to sit on a throne because by nature seat/throne supports whoever sits on it, so that he doesnt fall down.


Allah is not tired and not unable to do and He does not regret. i was going to use non biblical things for further explanation, but i have to restrain myself because if the bible will not satisfy you, then a boxer saying he thinks he sees more than 1 of his opponent in the ring will not get you to see reality that the Night Journey of Muhammad [sa] was a miracle and no miracle is impossible for God to perform in the prophetic life of a man who said 'between me and my Lord is Vail of Light", when some other will be saying i am the very Lord of the very God [check your bible because such an idea you have bought since it was put on the lips of a good man [as]].[b][/b]

oya continue deceiving yourself, the second me that your Allah would see what would he doing. God created Adam and Eve, why did God not see Adam in two places, perhaps you are also in heaven as we speak.

basilico: The topic has veered off. The simple question was Why did Muhammad not see any of his jihadists in heaven' but only met with Jewish prophets? All muslims are jihadists since jihad is a physical struggle as well as internal struggle ( My jihad is to stay fit.Whats yours?) Where was the first muslim martyr when the prophet visited all those heavens?

good question

Ayenny, Muhammad went to heaven, there he saw the prophets, there he saw Allah, so what are you blabbing about.

whereas heaven could mean heights, it could also mean what you call paradise, because actually that paradise is actually above. if Muhammad went to heaven passed through the different levels of heaven, then met Allah, what then are yu saying.
the best you could say is that Allah stays in a different compartment of heaven from where those prophets stayed. stop confusing yourself with lexicon.

http://www.hilalplaza.com/islam/Heaven.html

Belief of "Heaven" / Jannah / Paradise in Islam
Heaven is also known as Paradise. It goes by the Islamic name of Jannah. There are many levels of Paradise depending on how righteous a person is on Earth. The highest level that all Muslims are encouraged to ask for is Jannatul Firdaus.

Like with other aspects of the unseen, Muslims are obligated to believe in Heaven in order to complete their faith.

The bounties and beauty of Heaven are immense, so much so that it is beyond abilities of mankind’s worldly mind to comprehend.

However, Allah, in his Mercy, has given us descriptions of what Heaven is like as an incentive for us to strive to please Him and earn His ultimate reward – which is a place in Heaven.

sino: @Desika, I see you couldn't reply me, well i understand, i'll try to help you out and hopefuly, you'll be cured of your confusion.

You know i asked you if perhaps you are applying the "holy spirit" when reading the Qur'an, you didn't respond. Do you want to force your belief on Muslims? Do you want to force your own intepretations and understanding on us? Because i see your atempt as being desperate, and you lack knowledge in regards to what you are talking about.

You quoted a verse (Q19vs33), you read "peace be upon me the day i was born, the day i die and the day i'll be raised up alive", and then you say eureka! I have gotten it, Jesus(as) was raised up alive, that means he must have died(using your christian ideology) and so, the Qur'an contradicts itself when it said Jesus(as) was not killed or crucified.

This is your opinion, heck everyone is entitled to one, even a mad man, but is your opinion the truth? A simple test is to know your understanding about usage of words in the Qur'an, do you know anything about contextual meaning as regards to the Qur'an? The answer is NO, why? Cos i asked you a simple question about the arabic word used in both Q19vs33 and Q4vs158 both are translated to raised up, but its different words and different context.

To make you understand the word and context of Q19vs33, there is also a verse with similar wordings in regards to prophet Yahyah(as) in the same surah, verse 15, it states, "peace be upon him the day he was born, the day he dies and the day he'll be raised up alive". It is either you bring a verse or hadith that state that prophet Yahyah(as) was also raised up like Jesus(as) after he died. If you can't find any, then you should know that just like anyone on earth would be born, will die and will be raised up alive on the day of judgement, so is the case of Jesus Christ(as). Every soul shall taste death and every soul shall be raised up alive(i.e resurrected back to life).

Now the word proper, the word used is ub'athu,yub'athu(in verse 33 and 15), this word as used in the Qur'an means the resurrection on the day of judgement, even, one of the name of the day of judgement is yawm alba'th. An example of such usage can be found in Q6vs 36 "Those who listen(in truth) be sure will accept: as to the dead Allah will raise them up: then will they be turned unto Him" the arabic word used here is yab'athuhum and it can easily be deduced that this raising them up is on judgement day. Ba'atha in the Qur'an is also used to indicate raising up a messanger as used in Q25vs51"If We Willed, We could raise up a warner in every village". There are numerous verses in the Qur'an where you'll find the word yub'athu and they are mostly referring to resurrection on the day of judgement.

Now, the word used in Q4vs158 which is rafa'ahu which translates to raised him up i.e uplift him, it cannot be used for raising from the dead, not to talk of resurrection on judgement day, they cannot be used interchangeably. See Q12vs76 to underatand the usage of rafa'a.
All these i have stated can be understood if you have basic understanding of the arabic language.

Reading the whole verse and the one preceding it(Q4vs157-, we'll understand that the context here is not resurection(or raising up) after death. Lets read and see; "That they say(in boast) we killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of Allah; but they killed him not nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not."
"Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power Wise".(Q4vs157-

A right thinking person would see that no death occured in the verse above, so the raising up here is prior to death, so what are you guys yapping about? Haven't scientist been able to raise themselves beyond the atmosphere alive? If man can do that, why then do you want to limit what God can do?

Now ponder on the words of Jesus(as) from the bible and tell me if Jesus died. Let us read luke 24:36-43
"And as they were saying these things, he(jesus) himself stood in their midst, and says to them, peace be unto you(Assalam alaykum ), But they, being confounded and being frightened, supposed they beheld a spirit. And he(jesus) said to them, why are ye troubled? And why are thoughts rising in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Handle me and see, for a spirit has not flesh and bones as ye see me having. And having said this he shewed them his hands and his feet. But while they yet did not believe for joy, and were wondering, he said to them, Have ye anything here to eat? and they gave him part of a broiled fish and of a honeycomb; and he took it and ate before them.

I don't know how you guys read the above and still claim he died, Jesus came in flesh and bone, he even chop food, did he turn to spirit before being raised up or with the flesh and bone alive?

We Muslims believe that Jesus(as) did not die on the cross, he'll come back and will die like every other human being and then he would resurrected on judgement day fulfilling his statement in Qur'an 19vs33.

i appreciate your many explanations, you have distinguished yourself from the many muslims i have discussed with. and for this you have earned my respect and appreciation.

but again many things come to mind. i find it significantly difficult to imagine that Jesus is the only person who leaves the earth only to come back to continue living. its fairy tale at worse. all humans are born once and die once. death is the means by which they leave the earth. even stories of people who somehow escaped death, they never came back to resume llife inorder to catch up with death. now my friend whereas the christian position is that Jesus was killed and then raised up bodily. the muslim interpretation of the quran is rather awkward as the quran never spells out that
1. Jesus did not die. [i have explained this using the "they killed him not verse" below
2. Jesus would come back to die again.






1. can you produce a single verse of your quran that says Jesus will come back to die. if you cannot then i am afraid that you are wishing away the truth.

2. i saw this verse and i was wondering
“I (Son of Mary) was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up [Arabic: tawaffaitani, meaning, ‘caused me to die’] Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.” (Qur’an, Surah Al-Maida 5: 117). [it points out that Jesus was caused to die while he dwelt among the jews]

3. when the quran says it appeared so to them, what does it mean. most muslims have explained it to mean that Allah put his resemblance on another man. but if you examine that claim with common sense, you would discover that
1. someone was killed by crucifixion
2. the person crucified looked like Jesus to the people [it appeared so to them according to the quran]
but my common sense just tells me that the person that was killed is actually Jesus, because no body would resemble Jesus apart from Jesus himself. so muslims say the person that was killed look like Jesus, i say the person that looked like Jesus is Jesus.


4. as an aside addition, pls i will like to know if you agree with this site http://www.answering-christianity.com/que7.htm this is thier claim

We Muslims believe that Jesus was born from a Noble Virgin; Mary the Virgin, preached the word of GOD to the people of Israel, raised to Allah Almighty alive (even though he might have been put on the cross, but never actually died), will come back to earth again to fight the army of Satan and then die a natural death and then be raised again back to life from death as we all do in the Day of Judgement.

RoyPCain: @desika; from dialogue with you all this time, you should have guess that i will never not tell the truth in matters of Islam. Muhammad [sa] is the last prophet, meaning as a messenger as well [sa]. the prophets relate to God directly and through the Angels of God. God sees all and the 2 places or many places at the same time is nothing difficult for God. God will be the One telling His Prophet [as], in our case Muhammad [sa] of matters in 2 places or more places even if the prophet was not in any of the places.

i hope the above clears the air. and as for you in your house, you are a worshiper of man God when God says worship Me alone, no graven image, dont say the Name of God in vain. you are not even a believer in 1 whole God Who is not man, ghost and father. what you can never do because there is no after Muhammad [sa] is to do things that prophet [as] did because God revealed it to the prophets [as].

you dont get it do you.
1. Someone cannot be in heaven and earth at the same time. The person has to leave earth to go to heaven. If your clown of a prophet can see someone in heaven while still alive. That my friend is demonic or mental delusion. Can you name any other prophet that has done this. Am not surprised that you are defending this clear demonic demonstration am only sorry for you becos u have thrown away your reasoning capacity. Even God cannot see me in two places because am one and can only be in one place at same time.

RoyPCain: @desika; from dialogue with you all this time, you should have guess that i will never not tell the truth in matters of Islam. Muhammad [sa] is the last prophet, meaning as a messenger as well [sa]. the prophets relate to God directly and through the Angels of God. God sees all and the 2 places or many places at the same time is nothing difficult for God. God will be the One telling His Prophet [as], in our case Muhammad [sa] of matters in 2 places or more places even if the prophet was not in any of the places.

i hope the above clears the air. and as for you in your house, you are a worshiper of man God when God says worship Me alone, no graven image, dont say the Name of God in vain. you are not even a believer in 1 whole God Who is not man, ghost and father. what you can never do because there is no after Muhammad [sa] is to do things that prophet [as] did because God revealed it to the prophets [as].

you dont get it do you.
1. Someone cannot be in heaven and earth at the same time. The person has to leave earth to go to heaven. If your clown of a prophet can see someone in heaven while still alive. That my friend is demonic or mental delusion. Can you name any other prophet that has done this. Am not surprised that you are defending this clear demonic demonstration am only sorry for you becos u have thrown away your reasoning capacity. Even God cannot see me in two places because am one and can only be in one place at same time.

RoyPCain: @desika;

desika, all nations to you guys is the world as if christianity is for anyone. not even the nations of the jews. the whole of lost sheep of the house of israel didnt hear from Jesus, who preached the religion of Mose, father Jacob, grand father Abraham, great grandfather Noah and finally forefather Adam [as to all of them]. read, again. any nation outside the boundary of house of Jacob is not what Jesus said. and my nation is where you come from and we are not from the house of Jacob, but the sheep Muhammad [sa] is the shepherd.

i cannot even understand wat u are writing. So much incoherence. Did i hear u say Muhammad is a sheperd. At a time,i wij just have to give up on u as your claims are quite old frm a normal muslim. Pls read those old testament scriptures i sent u about d messiah and tell me whether they did not talk about jews and gentiles. SMH

RoyPCain: @desika:

i will not respond to your 'me and hell' matter because Allah is Merciful and InshaAllah I will be covered by His Mercy which I am inviting you to. but i want to say that if you are to tell me that you see me right this moment, i definitely know that since we are not in the same space though on the same earth, the fact that you have argued incoherently and always against truth i have began to discuss with you will make me conclude that you are off your rockers, since there is no more prophet to come after Muhammad [sa], i will suggest somebody get you help one time.

oga you just took the words out of my mouth, thats exactly what i would say of Muhammad, the principle of the story i gave is that someone cannot be at two places at the same time, so for Muhammad to see someone who was already present on earth, who cannot be in two places at same time should tell you that he needs some help too. thats falsehood and mental delusion combined plus demonic manipulation

truthman2012: You are caught by ur own trap. You pretend as if you didn't see the hadith? You mean you want to run away from explaning Bukhar's hadith?

In that hadith, all MUSLIMS (I'm not one) are there in hell for unspecified period of time. Later an angel will be ordered to remove some with the mark of prostration. Do you have that mark?

The hadith does not talk of repented or unrepented muslims. It is your own idea or imagination.

the falsehood in them is so strong in them, i dont think it matters to them that they willl eventually enter hell. imagine that its so clearly spelt out that they will enter hell. SMH and someone will come out to say that a religion that endorses hell for its followers is the rigth religion. the right religion is supposed to save people froom hell instead of allowing them a taste of hell.

perhaps he did not read it well so i thought i could do paste it for him with a few highlights

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There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, HE WILL ORDER THE ANGELS TO TAKE OUT OF HELL [size=14pt]THOSE WHO WORSHIPED NONE BUT HIM ALONE. [/size] The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of PROSTRATION , for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. [size=14pt] AT THAT TIME THEY WILL COME OUT OF THE FIRE AS MERE SKELETONS. [/size] The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water.

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people who worshipped none other but Allah will find them selves in hell, and you want someone to come serve this Allah so that the person will also enter hell.

*puts hand on head* what sought of blindness is this, what sought of bondage is this. this is too clear now. hell guaranteed for those who worship only Allah. haba

vedaxcool: you guys should have ignored the every dishonest desika , a the foundation. of any discussion is. honesty, desika practice an extreme. form pop f evangelism. by lies.

Jesus couldn't have died on the cross if he dI'd we will have to settle. with the horrible fact that he died the .thinking God had forsaken him and so says the Bible, now imagine what ty iou t means to be forsaken by God? wwould this people everthink?

the ever running Vedaxcool. how far na

ayenny02: 43:61

And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way

what do you take me for. does the above sound like this

ayenny02: 2) He will return back to earth and DIE, and will later on be RESURRECTED

hahahah pls dont make me laugh. Jesus is a sign = Jesus will return, die and will later resurrect. interesting, is this how you reason