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Emedu:
Mind you, Nigeria’s total trade in the third quarter of 2023 stood at ₦18,804.29 billion. Exports were valued at ₦10,346.60 billion while total imports stood at ₦8,457.68 billion, this was not felt in our exchange rate because of our high debt service to revenue ratio, high volume of printed naira in the name of ways and means. All these things are systematically taken care of to ensure the surplus naira is mopped up.

I believe there are good days ahead

Acidosis

U sef like stats...

JessicaRabbit:
Well, it doesn't matter how many books you have read or how many names you can recite. What matters is the quality and validity of your reasoning, which you have failed to demonstrate, as far as I can tell. I'm still waiting for you to explain how you have overcome your confirmation bias and examined these fields objectively. You think that by dropping some names of famous philosophers, you can somehow bolster your credibility and avoid addressing the actual arguments? That's now how it works, my dear. I wanted to tell you that you're committing an appeal to authority fallacy, but you've ignored all the other flaws I highlighted in your points without addressing them, so why bother?

And why do you feel the need to meet with me one-on-one before you share your insights and arguments? So far, we've been having this discussion on a public forum, and I don't necessarily think this has to be a private conversation. Go ahead and show us how you have mastered these complex schools of thought and how they have led you to your current beliefs. Or are you afraid that your arguments would not withstand the scrutiny and criticism of others? Are you afraid that you might be exposed as a pretentious and dogmatic person who has not really understood or appreciated the depth and diversity of human thought? Are you afraid that you might be challenged to reconsider your assumptions and beliefs and possibly change your mind?

I think most people will be amused at your casual dismissal of the insights of philosophers as mere "thoughts of a random individual," while readily accepting the pronouncements of "well-renowned scientists" as gospel. Interesting double standard, wouldn't you say? Both philosophers and scientists are humans, after all, capable of brilliance and bias alike, and any critical thinker worth his salt knows that both science and philosophy are invaluable tools for understanding the world, and both require careful analysis and critical evaluation. As for the Russell Wallace letters, it appears you've fallen prey to a common misconception. Wallace, despite some initial objections, ultimately became a staunch supporter of Darwin's theory. In fact, their collaboration played a crucial role in presenting the theory of evolution to the scientific community. I'm not sure where you got the dodgy idea that Darwin's theory "never covered the Evolution of Man". Darwin, in his book On the Origin of Species, explicitly discussed the evolution of humans through natural selection. He elaborated on this further in his later work, The Descent of Man.

Claiming that scientists readily discarded all of ancient Greek ideas is factually inaccurate. Many Greek philosophical concepts, like logic and mathematics, laid the foundation for future scientific advancements. Unless you can provide a citation to the contrary, I will posit that your claim that "Einstein called Galileo the first true philosophical scientist" is likely a misinterpretation. While Einstein admired Galileo's approach, he didn't label him as the "first philosophical scientist". However he did call Galileo the "father of modern physics and natural science", however, he did not intend to dismiss or diminish the contributions of the earlier Greek philosophers, but to highlight the significance and impact of Galileo's work. If you can't cite your source, then the historical inaccuracy of your claim casts doubt on the accuracy of your other claims.

Many of the ancient Greek philosophers, such as Thales, Anaximander, Pythagoras, Democritus, and Aristotle, made significant contributions to the fields of mathematics, physics, astronomy, biology, and logic, among others. They laid the foundations for the scientific method, by using observation, reasoning, and experimentation to investigate the natural world. They also proposed some hypotheses that were remarkably accurate, such as the atomic theory, the heliocentric model, and the sphericity of the Earth. So claiming that scientists were quick to discard some hypotheses from earlier Greek philosophers because they lacked verifiable evidence betrays a profound ignorance of the history and philosophy of science. It is a gross oversimplification and distortion of the complex and nuanced development of scientific thought. Of course, they also made some mistakes and assumptions that were later proven wrong, such as the geocentric model, the four elements, and the spontaneous generation of life. But this does not diminish their achievements or their influence on the subsequent generations of scientists. Science is not a linear progression of truth, but a cumulative and collaborative process of discovery, correction, and refinement.

Now, for the record, I never said you didn't study things deeply and with an open mind. You keep missing the point. Listing names of philosophers and their books is not evidence of understanding or critical thinking. It's evidence of memorization and regurgitation. Anyone can do that with enough time and effort. What matters is how you apply what you learned, how you analyze the arguments, how you compare and contrast different perspectives, and how you evaluate the validity and soundness of the claims. That's what I was looking for in your response, but instead, you gave me a laundry list of names and titles, as if that was supposed to impress me or prove your point.

I don't remember bragging that I had a more balanced argument than you. In fact, I never claimed to have any argument at all, actually. I replied to your initial post on this thread for two reasons: (1) to defend atheism from misrepresentations, and (2) to challenge your assertion that you found religious explanations more convincing than anything else, after exploring various disciplines. I was expecting you to justify your position, to explain why you reached those conclusions, and to provide some examples of how you applied the methods and principles of those disciplines to your inquiry. At this point, I might be sounding like a broken record, but I'll say it again for the sake of posterity: Whatever you choose to believe is none of my concern.

I find it hilarious that you think I should suggest any books for you to read. I thought you already claimed to have read almost everything available on certain philosophers? Suggesting books for you is not my responsibility or obligation, neither is it a sign of intellectual curiosity. If I'm being blatantly honest, your arguments so far have been vague and unsubstantiated, and I'm just being polite with that assessment. So far, you have continued to ignore my points, cast aspersions on my character, resort to emotional appeals, and employ rhetorical tricks. So you really can't attack me for not giving you a "counter argument", when you haven't given me any tangible argument to begin with.

I dont know if u really derive joy in talking down on people and its actually mentally draining arguing with u since you already had your belief on what an average xtian could argue on and thats very troubling


I said some 'Philosophical hypothesis' not all we all know about Leucipus and Democritus(The Atomists), Pythagoras,Parmenides,Anaxagoras and many others , starting from the times of the first man to suggest the earh must couldnt have been flat, thats Aristarchus of Samos and Thales with his ancient proposed calendar method, who lived earlier than the rest and Erasthotenes who was the most accurate in his calculations of the dimaeter of the Earth, despite using crude methods

My point was that those who were quick to opine anything that couldnt be verified by basic scientific methods were discarded and this very god argument is well within that category....Again, I really dont know how u mixed things up here

As for the Einstein claims on Galileo, I only paraphased and u captured it correctly that Galileo was the father or whatever,Einstein was a bit elaborate here tho "https://brewminate.com/galileo-galilei-a-scientific-break-from-aristotle/"

And yeah, I agree i havr no argument as my first comment was about the somce scientific books I read and why i stopped being an Atheist, you've never read those books nor know what they entailed, so u actually expected me to start summarizing the books to u, go ahead to list the point i disagree with while u start dissecting each point??

U never asked me to give reasons why i disagree with those scientists, so how was i supposed to go about explaining myself to just anyone that cares to know why, Instead, U started the whole thing by telling me why i need to explore other aspects aside Science and I keep telling u the reason why i discarded Art and music as not effective enough...So yea, the counter points u raised were so watery I never really know the point of the first tag/quote was about

That aside, U wanted me start typing about the big bang theory, selfish gene, and also typing out the counter scientific claims that made me drop them??
U think I would type that long to convince an atheist who hasnt yet pick up the books to read??


Read it up then we can start altogether....

Imagine telling me i have no valid point when your first tag was just about suggesting that i check things from other perspective and not about the main issue at all

She even thought i kept mentioning names to impress her....I don suffer

U keep hitting me with impolite words and making it seem like I am being emotional about lil things...read your first papragraph again and see how insulting it sounds

If u want a proper discourse, stop the personal attack already cause it all started when u started talking about some fallcies common to all xtians at the second tag cause i was careful enough not to use stereotypes on all atheist,In fact, you have mentioned the word "xtians" than i hacve ever ever mentioned anything atheist.... stop reading more meanings to what is written here as it makes the whole things tiring, doing the same thing u have always accused xtians for

obinna58:
Na so sapa hold you reach

No be u dey always guage people level of poverty

Online wealthy man, u don con guage hin own too

U go about looking for poor people...see make i direct u go meet Chijioke and Chinemerem make u go guage their own poverty too

U shouldnt have separated that "Pessi fan, Man shitty and Uefalona fan" as those three are same. All Pep fan supports pessi and those two teams

Well, As for me, You will know I am a forex trader, AI Geek, Obsessed football fan, Jose Mourinho biggest fan and that I am well vast on important topics of the world such as Science, Psychology,philosophy, Art, Religion, History(Roman and Greek)


In short, I am a walking encyclopedia of everything

Na why dem say Life na vanity

Wigwe, that Access director prolly lived his best life, dreamt, worked tirelessly and achieved his dreams. He prolly watch what he eats and also go for regular medical checkup, he maybe, doesnt even cheat on his wife and he upholds the true family values but he still died at that young age



See, Life has no purpose and the only reason why we are here is just to keep contributing to the mandate of continuous humans existence...ensuring that ours seeds live many years after we are gone but that too is meaningless since we wouldnt even be aware of this when we finally depart this world


Life is purposeless, keep doing all u can till u die

Jessicarabbit

Na here u suppose con speak your grammar

Is it me or has the FG been moving fast to counter hardship in any possible ways??

I really like how the FG keeps firing on all odds... They will eventually get some right

No quote me to ask me stupid question o...If u wan wail, go do that one for Pitobi page

He ordered the implementation barely 48hours ago and u are already comparing that to what GEJ didnt do 2years after he gave the same order till he left power

Why not wait a bit?

What were the ministries Gej listed out to scrap and subsume?

At least, this one already listed out what ministries fell under where?


Well...Una own na to attack, I think i know where u come from already... The wisemen left the East since 4BCE



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Yourbas are progressive in reasoning

What a tribe

Death is so mysterious that none of those that have gone before us has even come back to tell us what the thing looks like

How do u sleep and not wake up?
Whats consciousness like?

How do u call out to the dead man before u and he cant even hear u?

How can u not be aware of your environment?


By 2150, we all wont be here anymore, but since we didnt experience torments before we were born, then where we are going isnt anything terrible

Omo....Na Igbos wail pass abeg

This is the 14th of its kind I am seeing on just this day

Una dey wail abeg
Be like this audio billionaires dey feel am pass

Obidients, lets cry together

See as she ugly

According to evolutionary biologists, Nature is working overtime to eliminate and remove ugly genes from the population pool...She is an endangered species for this very reason and should thread carefully

Normally sef, make she just live her life till she clock 100 but make she no born, cause we wan clean the next generation of humans and her gene fit polute am

Who is/should be excited about two normal humans chilling together

If this kinda thing excites u, then u are a purposeless human with 100% emptiness

Tntsi:
People who are close to their graves are sitting and destroying your destiny and that of those after you. Yet you contine to foolishly hope on them.
Expecting anything from this desecrated cursed group is you making use of basket to fetch water and waiting for it to get full.
I pity your life.

How are they destroying his destiny??
Use some datasets or economic indices to prove this point of yours

Then we can talk about the effect of some economic decision made by GEJ since 2012 and how its affecting us


No run o....Normally, I know say Igbos no dey like facts and stats, I sabi say na beer parlor gist una dey like but try follow me debate like person wey no be Igbo, like person wey go school, wey con sabi use stats and right info to argue

derecho:
Yes, illegitimate President.

He used "president" so that BATstards will understand who he is referring to.

Most people don't see Tinubu as President.

Obi didnt add illegitimate
I am not blind but still cant see it there, so where did u get that from, sir??

Well, As far as the whole world is concerned, Tinubu is the President of the country....your acceptance or not is irrelevant

Death is so mysterious that none of those that have gone before us has even come back to tell us what the thing looks like

How do u sleep and not wake up?
Whats consciousness like?

How do u call out to the dead man before u and he cant even hear u?

How can u not be aware of your environment?


By 2150, we all wont be here anymore, but since we didnt experience torments before we were born, then where we are going isnt anything terrible

TUANKU:
The 5th horseman of the Apocalypse has arrived...

That vision to John was slated to take place at the end of times and its not even gonna be exclusive to Nigeria but the whole world|


I know there are no smart obidients anywhere in the world but u seem to be even lower than the lowest i though i have ever seen

How low can u go, bro

To be frank and honest, PBAT is working

The recent CBN reforms have been so fast and near-effective that the effect is almost felt immediately all over the nation
All PBAT minister have taken some huge steps in the last few days to see us experience a diff situation from what things used to be in just one month ago


If u are here to spew shit....just know that your propensity to condemn good acts and your gravitation towards negative news is a true reflection of the unhealthy mindset u walk around with

Change your mind...Change your life. You arent supposed to cry everyday

successmatters:

Its about how u program your mind
If negative energy is what u gravitate towards, u will keep seeing negativity in all news and situation, but If positive energy resides in you, you will always see positivity in every situation and thats the best way to live life, as agreed by psychologists, religious fanatics, philosophers and even scientists


How hard is it to resist wailing for a min?

The guy get poor state sef

Cause what is this??

This doesnt make any sense


The equal justice isnt meted on fake rape accusers and true rapist already cancelled out equality in the grand sense

Funny hwo some women will come here to defend this with some silly twists

writetopoker:
Nigeria government should cover their face on shame that common Finance trader are able to determine the price of naira/dollar of a sovereign country like Nigeria.

Mad people

If Nigeria government should completely abolish black market selling of dollar what will happen?

Its about how u program your mind
If negative energy is what u gravitate towards, u will keep seeing negativity in all news and situation, but If positive energy resides in you, you will always see positivity in every situation and thats the best way to live life, as agreed by psychologists, religious fanatics, philosophers and even scientists


How tough it is to resist wailing for a min

U dey show picture of places wey u no dey plan to go live

If its that 'paradise-esque", start withdarwing your things from other region and head home

Dont show us pictures of places u dont wanna live...who would own heaven and choose to go stay in hell

No show us pic, go home go dey enjoy

Thats good

Anything to depopulate Lagos is welcome

Those already at the chisco park in Onitsha, already considering taking those GIG motors heading to Lagos should come down now and take the ones that are headed for Aba

Igbos should start relocating to Aba en masse and those In Lagos can start thinking of relocating to the East

its not about showing us fine photos, shey u dey ready to go back or not??

advanceDNA:
Na Subsidy....

.naira did not gain anything

So how much is the FX exchange in open market?


for those who bought at a high price and and would prolly sell now, would that result in a gain for them or a loss??


No be say u dey wail but that guy is talking about the moment but your comment is totally off

jmoore, u and this prophet of doom would have done better foreseeing the bright future of yourself and your kinsmen, instead of using Nostradamus stlye of negative prophecy with no specificity.


That u even think we were gonna escape this at anypoint, regardless of who the President is, goes a long way to show that u really dont understand whats on ground

Lemme look for a more enlightened obidient to debate with....this one doesnt even understand the economic situation of the country

Julibet:
Good advice but you didn't factor in the children. He said he did a discreet DNA and the kids belong to him.

I'm sure most commenters aren't married and I'm not too but trust me, when you become a responsible parent, your concerns become secondary, women know that you'll do anything for your kids and they'll surely use it against you.

He just need to figure out a way to balance his well-being (mental health) which is greatly affected and his kids.

You don't plan to take your kids to another country like that without their mum, e no make sense. Even if their mum cheats, the kids don't understand, they need the comfort of their mum. Make una calm down reason am well.

So u countered all those points only to go away without any suggestion??

Na so una dey do?

Oya wetin u think say hin suppose do

Yes, he is the president but then, he has a root

JessicaRabbit:
I don't agree with the sentiment that "anyone would choose Art over Science", and I don't remember expressing such a confident assertion to you. Just to be clear, I was arguing that all forms of exploration have value, not that science is inferior. If you don't understand some of the things I say, you could always ask for clarification. I also couldn't help but notice that you keep referring to the tone and/or structure of my posts, which I think is completely irrelevant to the points I'm trying to make. Enlightenment is not solely a product of eloquent sentence structure. The use of English is a pointer to your level of education at best. I prefer to write in a way that best communicates my true thoughts, and this happens to be it. So it would be nice if you stopped letting yourself get distracted and just focused on the substance of my arguments alone. What's not helpful is you claiming that my comments are "intimidating", or that I'm in the business of "forcing others" to succumb to a particular worldview. With all due respect, are you here for a dialogue, or do you just want to poison the well, and cast doubts on my credibility? What you're doing here is a form of ad hominem fallacy.

Now, I will commend your dedication to exploring various schools of thought. Delving into Stoicism, Epicureanism, and even Cynicism showcases a commendable intellectual curiosity. However, your statement about "knowing almost everything available" concerning certain philosophers raises a slight eyebrow. While commendable, claiming complete mastery of such complex schools is ambitious (and potentially a touch self-aggrandizing, but we can be charitable and call it a turn of phrase). The fact that you can mention names doesn't refute the points I raised concerning confirmation bias and the limitations of individual interpretations. Detailing your extensive reading list while stating difficulty addressing my points doesn't engage with my actual arguments.

You claimed that after extensive exploration of various disciplines, you found religious explanations, "even with inconsistencies," more convincing than the offerings of science, art, and philosophy. This statement only serves to reinforce the million-dollar question: have you truly approached these fields with an open mind, free from confirmation bias? Have you genuinely considered the possibility that your current belief system might be influencing how you interpret these diverse fields? And I don't know where you got the misleading notion that science lacks criticism. The very foundation of science rests on the pillars of doubt, questioning, and revising existing knowledge! Every scientific theory undergoes rigorous scrutiny, with peers constantly seeking to disprove and refine existing ideas. This self-correcting mechanism is precisely what fuels scientific progress. Art and music, while not offering the same level of testability as science, provide invaluable insights into the human condition. You are vastly underestimating their potential. They evoke emotions, challenge perspectives, and offer unique avenues for exploring the "why" and "how" of our existence. There are many people who make vital life decisions solely based on their emotions. Dismissing art and music as mere expressions devoid of truth is akin to shutting your eyes to a significant part of the human experience.

True wisdom lies in embracing the vastness of knowledge, acknowledging the limitations of our understanding, and approaching every conversation with an open mind and a genuine desire to learn. Assuming you possess all the answers after a self-proclaimed "extensive" exploration is a dangerous path bordering on intellectual arrogance.

Let me reiterate that I'm not trying to force my views on anybody. I'm just trying to encourage a respectful dialogue with due regard for facts, while avoiding emotional arguments and logical fallacies. I understand if you do not wish to continue with the conversation. Obviously you may have other things you want to focus on, and that's fine.

Thats the issue, U always think u know more than is written here
I listed those names to let u know that i have dedicated my time to following these guys at a point and if this convo was actually one on one, I would have told u everything about them that made me to stick to their principles but discard everything they have to say about the origin of life



Again, Philisophical teachings,arising from the thoughts of a random individual isnt to be taken that seriously, those scientific books written by the well-renowned scientists I talked about from my first comment were taking really seriously cause i had even read the counter arguments of other scientists, who were even christains but lacked convincing verifiable argument, an example is the Russell Wallace letters to Charles Darwin, trying to refute the effect of Natural selelction on species with higher faculties (This letter was the same reason why Darwins theory never covered the Evolution of Man) yet I still find Wallace assumptions wrong and sticked to Darwin's proven theory even though it has limitations but it has more substantial points than any other

This is similar to those attacks on Galileo Galilei after his claims that the earth wasnt flat...I am sure u know how the church started persecuting him blindly

That u think i do not even read those other books by Richard Dawkins and Stephen Hawkings with an open mind just showed that u think u have been debating with a conc xtian and thats never true




Even scientists were quick to discard some hypothesis from earlier Greek philosophers cause they lack verifiable evidences and thats why Einstein later said that "Galileo was the first true Philosophical scientist cause he not only opined, but he demonstrated it with inventions"



Those are the reasonds why i rate Science over everything, hence my first comment about those great books written by notable scientists

So u think i just went about listing names of philosophers and their books when U havent even suggested i read up on any book, to maybe open my mind the more or to counter all I have been saying

So funny that u think that i, who listed those names havent taken my time to study things deeply and with a open mind but you, that couldnt even mention either a book by a scientist or a philosopher or even an Artist should be the one to tell me on how to explore other aspects

Its more funny, when u think i am not open-minded enough yet read those tons of books, isnt that a waste of my time?

Then u whose pre-existing notion about xtians hasnt made u givr a true counter arguement to all i have been saying but only to tell me to explore other aspects with no true info on either a book, an Artist or why they could have superior argument over science, think you have a more balance arguement on this issue

I'm not your average Theist