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stillchris:
we are not talking sensational headlines mr man. and by the way, the Nigerian military debunked such propaganda report in the same link you posted.

Nigerian military spokesman Chris Olukolade,
however, denied that Chadian forces were playing the
key role in the attack. “It is the Nigerian forces that planned and are driving
the present onslaught against terrorists from all fronts
not the Chadian or other forces as propagated by the
Western and some local media. The Chadians are
however keying very well into and working in concert
within the overall plan for an all-round move against the terrorists.”


i understand brah, the idea of SA being irrelevant despite holding AU chair hurts your feelings.

i like your spirit though.

Simple facts.

1. Did Chad liberate a Nigerian town?

2. Yes, it has.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/07/us-cameroon-nigeria-idUSBRE9A60S620131107

Chad Forces Drive Boko Haram From Nigerian Border Town

Help is help my man. Facts are facts.

stillchris:
not a dream son. US rallied round to get support to fight most of it's wars till date but it remains a US war. Nigeria pressurized AU to support a regional effort to combat a cross border terror group and Africa yielded. there is no dent on my post. Egypt has publicly asked Nigeria for help and we shall respond. i know the thought of it will cause you so much butthurt.
that my dear boy, is diplomatic power. Egypt wants to learn from us and we shall assist them because that's what we do.

Simple facts, my outtie.

Nigeria says needs Cameroon's help to fight Boko Haram

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/07/us-cameroon-nigeria-idUSBRE9A60S620131107

I like the dreams. Nothing as beautiful as a pointed link.

1. Has Nigeria asked for help from Africa?

2. Why, but yes it has.

stillchris:
hahahahahaha... aside from the phantom mercineries propaganda(which is the only way SA knows how to intervene in international matters), how does compelling neighbors to protect their borders compare to calling on a far neighbor to join a fight in your backyard?
the most powerful military in Africa has called for help and we shall answer. too bad SA is irrelevant at times like these.

Facts are facts buddy.

http://www.naij.com/385027-nigeria-seeks-help-from-chad-in-fighting-boko-haram.html

Nigeria Seeks Help From Chad In Fighting Boko Haram

READ MORE: http://www.naij.com/385027-nigeria-seeks-help-from-chad-in-fighting-boko-haram.html


I like your spirit, however. It is good to dream...

stillchris:
and how has this changed the topic of my post? strawman alert!!!

In a big way. If you claim Nigeria is respected and that Africa runs to Nigeria for help, it is a huuuuuge dent to your post that it is in fact Nigeria that has run to Africa for help.

Keep dreaming though.

stillchris:
please, be kind to yourself and prove you comment above. this will be fun

1. Chad
2. Niger
3. Cameroon.
4. South African mercenaries,

To name but a few.

All proven and undeniable. There's nothing new that you can say in response that we have not heard and dismissed already.

MikeCZAR:
My student has nothing to counter.

As always...

Henry120:
Interesting Read.



[b]Spy Cables expose how theft of SA missile technology was 'covered up'

Cape Town – A secret Israeli spy cable has exposed an alleged cover up surrounding the theft of South African missile technology, according to cables in Al Jazeera’s possession.
On Monday the news organisation announced that it was in possession of leaked documents from State Security Agency (SSA) operatives showing how South Africa became vulnerable to foreign espionage after the end of apartheid.
The cables, obtained by Al Jazeera, span a period from 2006 to the end of 2014, and include detailed briefings and analyses written by the operatives.
Al Jazeera is set to start releasing the documents to the world on Monday evening.


In one of the document, obtained by Al Jazeera’s Investigative unit, it reveals how SA spies hid the fact that Israel had obtained stolen weapon plans.
According to one of the cables two men were caught red-handed trying to sell stolen missile blueprints, software and components from Denel.
Police launched a sting operation, posed as Russian buyers, and made their arrests outside Johannesburg in 2010.
Somehow, Israel’s Mossad had got hold of the anti-tank missile blueprints. It sparked a behind the scenes battle between the two nations spies.
South Africa wanted the blueprints back, which Israel agreed to provided that a citizen, Yitzhak Talia, would not be prosecuted, the cable shows.
He was not and it appears South Africa covered up Israel’s involvement and got its blueprints back.
Two men were tried without any mention of Israel’s secret role.
The SSA’s spokesperson Brian Dube told News24 the agency was aware of “this project”.
“Our policy that regulates the management of all classified documentation remains in place. That is all really that we can say.”

News24 had contacted the Israeli Ambassador for comment, but was told by his secretary that until he had seen the documents, he is in no position to comment.[/b]

The world is full of stories of theft and attempted theft of technology. If anything, this is an endorsement of this technology. Missile technology worth stealing - very nice.

stillchris:
south african rats on this thread can jonz all they want but it will not change that fact that militarily, Nigeria is superior and more reapected.
even the most powerful military in Africa knows who to call on first when sh1t hits the fan
In the same vein, the Egyptian Ambassador to Nigeria, Mr. Ashrat Salama, has called on Nigeria and the Africa Union (AU) to collaborate against the terrorist group, Islamic State and ensure the establishment of a multi-national force against it.
Salama particularly noted that it was necessary for Nigeria to
work with Egypt to combat the terrorist group because both nations are not far from each other. Both nations, he added, could also lead the call for a multi- national force on the continent as powerful voices in the AU.
www.thisdaylive.com/articles/central-african-leaders-rally-africa-against-boko-haram/202597/
like i always say, Nigeria has been leading and fighting for Africa when SA was still struggling for identity. and the reputation still stands.

On the contrary, it is the Nigerian military - and not Africa - that has called for help from others.

But I like your spirit.

EVarn:
Mr Andrewza,i want to ask you a few questions,and i would love it if you answer them truthfully:
how many paratroopers were killed in CAR?
how many SANDF troops were there in the first place?
let me stop at those two for now.

In other words, you have no idea what happened in CAR, but you have been posting about it for months - in chorus since you saw others posting about it.

Msauza:
Jungle warfare training.

Did anyone here attend the festivities in Potch this weekend?

Msauza:
Continues

Which one is this?

Denel's Chappie ZX6 goes on sale in a few weeks.

South Africa bullying the US.

Poor Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/18/us/at-heart-of-us-south-african-trade-dispute-a-serious-game-of-chicken.html?_r=0

At Heart of U.S.-South African Trade Dispute, a Serious Game of International Chicken

saengine:
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-38089/
by defenceWeb, February 20, 10:00 am
https://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/cache/images/T-ACT_400x300_OSI.jpg
The technology has been deployed by the UK, Australian and Canadian Navies.

Nuff said

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rka1:
Just for your information to help expose your trolling and smear campaign;
Edward @DonKlericuzio · 11h 11 hours ago
Chad plane piloted by belarusian mercenary mistakenly bombed a Niger village passa-abadam where a funeral was on & not nigeria's abadam
0 replies 46 retweets 6 favorites

Your retort to a full article is a tweet?

Please bra, don't waste our time.

EVarn:
lol lol lolla lolla lol..i'm afriad that i'll have no choice but to laugh in bulgarian spanish.
olongbo nla!,olongbo bogini..all you have are words,mere words.word this,word that,word put humpty dumpty back together again!.
your obese turb of lard that you call a defense minister also heard 'word' from beeld.why is everyone hearing word?,why isnt there photographic or audiovisual evidence to support the 'word'.
post real evidence to support your claims,instead of mere words.
everything.

Of course you have no choice but to laugh. It's not like you can post any evidence to counter ours.

And two governmental ministers and Nigerian people and others are not Beeld.

So, yes - just sit somewhere and laugh. That's your only option.

Grownups will then go ahead and discuss the business of the day. i.e. South African mercenaries in Nigeria.

Oh, why a photo again? Why? Whenever you are ready.

Msauza:
Your reasoning is stupid. We don't want to know why did it happened, we only wanted to know if it did happen or not.

Exactumondo!

agaugust:
https://beegeagle./2013/12/03/nigerian-air-force-alenia-atr-42-500-mpa-surveyor-naf-931-now-a-more-advanced-special-mission-aircraft-undergoes-elint-upgrade-world-exclusive-photo/
Kind of mess that made me leave this forum....it has become a waste of time
.

You left this forum because events have made it impossible for you to claim that you have even a remotely decent military in Nigeria.

Your request below.

EVarn:
give proof that our politician 'literally' fought with fists in the parliament.

Request duly complied with.

Post below irrelevant.

EVarn:
i knew that you would come here with an armload of old videos.those vigorous disagreements in the videos broke out due to proposition of provocative bills,not due to the whims of a power hungry madman as is the case of SA.

EVarn:
give proof that our politician 'literally' fought with fists in the parliament.
their arent any south african piloting our military aircrafts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7mtoucTT3o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1x8e_47hWI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96ZulEt2h5c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeS102JrTvA

When I say you say things without thinking, I mean it.

FighterPilot:
So, does it mean that their privacy should be encroached upon? Does it mean that their movements should be restricted within the borders of SA? The answer for both question is a big NO. Those people are not criminals and if being an ex-soldier makes you a criminal then I don't know.

Only an idîot will not see how profound this post is.

saengine:
https://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/cache/images/Seeker_400_400x300_Guy_Martin.jpg

Seeker 400 now in production for undisclosed (think north africa) customer. Lil birdy makes me believe that Armscor will issue a tender on behalf of the SANDF for something similar in the not too far future.

[b]"The Seeker 400 builds on the successful technology developed by Denel Dynamics for its Seeker 2 and Seeker 200, which has been operational in the United Arab Emirates. It is a larger aircraft, has a cruising speed of 150km/h and can carry a payload of 100 kg.

The Seeker 400 has the ability to simultaneously carry two different payloads such as synthetic aperture radar, optronics turret and a digital video system. The payloads can be interchanged in the field, allowing the Seeker to be tailored for different tactical situations.The Seeker 400 can be used for a wide range of military and civilian missions, including maritime surveillance and disaster reconnaissance. It has up to 16 hours endurance at altitudes of up to 18 000 ft.

At typical operating altitudes of between 4 500 and 9 000 ft, it is not visible to people on the ground and is effectively inaudible.The UAV's line-of-sight range is 250 km from its ground station, but this can be doubled by using a forward ground station with deployed forces. This involves the UAV being launched from a convenient airfield and flown to the area of operations, where it is handed-over to the forward ground station to control during the actual mission."[/b]

Good progress

A-Darter programme nears completion

Helmoed-Römer Heitman, Pretoria - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
16 February 2015

The A-Darter is being marketed as an exceptionally agile fifth-generation missile. Source: Denel Dynamics
Denel Dynamics is close to completing the development of its A-Darter short-range air-to-air missile, the South African company has announced.

The missile is in the final stage of air-launched guided evaluation firing trials, which have seen two missiles being launched from a Saab JAS 39 Gripen at the end of 2014 against Skua high-speed targets to confirm the guidance, control, and free-flight seeker performance, including a lock-on-after-launch engagement. These firings demonstrated a high-G performance greater than required by the specification, the company said.

Two further missile firings are planned for the first part of this year to complete the testing process.

The next phase of the development programme will be formal qualification, which will be concluded with a series of guided firings involving both the South African and Brazilian air forces to confirm performance acceptance.

Meanwhile, Denel is getting ready to industrialise the A-Darter and is negotiating a production contract for the South African Air Force (SAAF) with the country's arms procurement agency, Armscor. Denel hopes to receive the contract during the first quarter of this year.

Denel is also in discussions with Brazil - which partnered with Denel in the A-Darter development - to begin industrialisation in that country.

Brazil's decision to acquire the Gripen E/F as its future fighter will, to some extent, simplify its A-Darter integration as the SAAF has already gone through this process with its older Gripens. Denel is also beginning work with BAE Systems on integrating the A-Darter with the SAAF's Hawk Mk 120 aircraft.

The A-Darter is a modern 'body-lift' missile with thrust-vector control that gives it a very high angle of attack. It uses a multi-element imaging infrared seeker with a 180° field of view, and digital processing based on the latest available hardware and software. Its rocket motor has a low launch signature, making it harder to detect by countermeasures systems.

An image from one of the tests shows an A-Darter engage a Skua target. The target is within the A-Darter's lethal envelope and would have been hit if the missile was carrying a live warhead. (Denel Dynamics)

EVarn:
media that keep quoting themselves

You have no evidence based on which you can disprove the quotes.

EVarn:
in a scenario where the nigerian DHQ sent in secret envoys to SA to help negotiate a contract with mercenaries under the nose of your intelligent services,after the deal,the DHQ again sent in a transport aircraft into you airspace to convey your mercenaries to abuja where screening was conducted and directives were given.
all these took place,while your defence ministry remained oblivious.
it wasnt until a media organisation named 'beeld' decided to investigate the mysterious disappearance of a sizeable chunk of your former military men,that your defence ministry became 'aware' of the purported nigerian 'conspiracy'.
is this the scenario as it happened?,hmm?

How do you know the Nigerian government sent an envoy to South Africa?

You don't. You just created that story and sucked it out of your thumb.

Mercenaries are private operators. It's as simple as that.

Now the government knows that they are in Nigeria and will have them arrested on their return, it says.

Besides, this is what happened the last time:

"There are strong suspicions that the South African government got wind of Mann and Du Toit’s plans – and even that the coup plotters naively thought Pretoria was turning a blind eye, preferring a white-mercenary-inspired coup to a nasty dictator.

Instead, the South African government didn’t just stop them, according to this account; it allowed them to get caught to send a strong message to future would-be mercenaries."

Fact is you simply have no knowledge of anything. You don't know what transpired. You cannot confirm anything. You cannot deny anything.

EVarn:
so now they arent 'mercenaries' anymore?
they have now metamorphosed overnight from "mercenaries" to "mighty former fighter pilots" just because you think that they fly our warplanes?
your mentality is bizzarely confusing.
why would our pilots that have flown military aircrafts to far away liberia,mali,seirra leone,sudan,somalia etc,have problems with flying fighter jets with the country?
The only obstacle i can see for the NAF is the need to learn how to properly operate,maneover and maintain all our new aircraft platforms in order to acquire enough skills and expertise to fly the new aircrafts that were formally alien to the NAF inventory.
I doubt mercenaries can help with that.

How does Msauza's post stop them from being mercenaries?

What are the mercenaries doing in Nigeria then, per your hypothesis?

Planting trees?

FighterPilot:
To tell the truth I was also at some point attempted to resign and join these companies due to the huge sum of money which was involved. Many of our white dudes in the army resigned and requested for the licence from the ministry of defence to serve in Irag and Afghanistan as security personnel, while in the meantime they were also secretly used as mercenaries by the US government of GW Bush. They were paid exorbitant amount of cash that even the US troops from colonels to privates could only dream about. They were way over 12000 in Irag and they ate almost quota of the US budget.

It's a good thing that you didn't. See here...

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SA mercenaries may just fit the bill

January 30 2015 at 06:12pm

The state has warned them, but they are likely to be the only help a Nigerian army – not up to the task of fighting Boko Haram itself – will get, writes Peter Fabricius.

Both International Relations and Co-operation Minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane and Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula this week deplored the reported plans by ex-SADF soldiers to help train the Nigerian military to fight the Islamist terrorist group Boko Haram.

Mapisa-Nqakula’s reaction was stronger: “I will not call them ex-soldiers; they are mercenaries,” she said, and they would be treated as such. When they returned from Nigeria, they would be arrested and charged under South Africa’s Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act.

This legislation, popularly known as the anti-mercenary act, was introduced under the Mbeki administration to deal with soldiers from the apartheid era taking up security guard positions in Iraq and Afghanistan and also joining the British military.

It was invoked to deal with the leaders of the so-called Wonga Coup in 2004, which was masterminded by the former British special forces officer Simon Mann and the ex-South African special forces officer Nick du Toit. Both of them had since launched private security companies. In common parlance, they had become mercenaries.

The aim was, in essence, worthy: to topple the fabulously corrupt, brutal and oppressive regime of Teodoro Obiang Nguema in Equatorial Guinea. Whether the government that replaced him would have been better must remain conjecture, because the coup was thwarted.

Mann flew from South Africa to Harare with a planeload of ex-South Africa special forces to buy weapons for the coup from the Zimbabwean parastatal arms company. They were arrested at the same time as an advance party led by Du Toit was arrested in Equatorial Guinea.

There are strong suspicions that the South African government got wind of Mann and Du Toit’s plans – and even that the coup plotters naively thought Pretoria was turning a blind eye, preferring a white-mercenary-inspired coup to a nasty dictator.

Instead, the South African government didn’t just stop them, according to this account; it allowed them to get caught to send a strong message to future would-be mercenaries.

There is a whiff of Wonga about the current Boko Haram “mercenary” operation. It is whispered that the participants also believed – or perhaps still believe – they had the tacit approval of Pretoria.

Perhaps this would have been a good operation if it had not been disclosed. Now that it is out there, it’s hard to sell because it is so flagrantly incorrect politically, as was the Wonga Coup.

Yet fighting Boko Haram is precisely the sort of dirty operation for which such mercenaries are perfectly suited. Remember how the South African Executive Outcomes private security firm turned the tide against the equally horrid Revolutionary United Front amputating militias in Sierra Leone back in the late 1990s?

No one else is keen to take on Boko Haram. The corrupt and incompetent Nigerian army is floundering, as are its partner countries in the Lake Chad Basin Commission. Boko Haram is high on the agenda of the AU summit taking place in Addis Ababa this week. But it’s not clear whether the AU will come up with a solution for Boko Haram.

The South Africa-inspired rapid response force of volunteer nations with the unwieldy name of African Capacity for Immediate Response to Crises (ACIRC) is not quite living up to the urgency implied by its title.

Military analysts say tackling Boko Haram was one of the assignments AU military planners envisaged for ACIRC and conducted military exercises for.

But it seems unlikely ACIRC will be deployed against Boko Haram, mostly because Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan cannot countenance foreign soldiers – especially South African ones – coming to his rescue, especially on the eve of elections next month.

Evidently the Economic Community of West African States is planning to put together a force for the task and to seek AU approval of it at the summit.

If that ever materialises, it could take ages.

Meanwhile, the dreaded South African mercenaries are apparently already in the field. This counts as an African solution for an African problem, surely?

* Peter Fabricius is Independent Newspapers’ foreign editor.

FighterPilot:
100% Correct

True's Bob

iterator24:
oh my, you have comprehension issues.... like I said, I've seen white folks standing beside a pick up truck, they may be SAcans, we don't know, not confirmed..
what I know is, we've deployed F7s and Alpha jets to other countries, we dont need mercenaries to fly them, and mercenaries in nigeria will only be here in grounds of training.
and sadf has no idea about any of our airframes... NA is different from NAF

Your denial is based on the fact that you have seen white folks but no one has confirmed that they are South African?

Please entertain us.

What is your hypothesis? Who are the White folks that you have seen? Nigerians?

You do have a hypothesis, don't you? Cause if you advance a denial and you have no hypothesis, that would be stûpid? So tell us.
Who are they?

They may be south africans? So in other words, you don't have a reason to deny what you have been told other than your further weak argument that South Africans don't know about your airframes?

How do you know that they don't have the knowledge? What is that based on?

Your wish that they don't?

iterator24:
because you're ignorant

Based on which proof that I am ignorant?

Anyone can scream: "ignorant!"

But proving is not as easy.