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Mary must be honoured in my life everyday. through her intercession I am what I am today and also through her intercession Jesus ll make me a better person. Glory to Jesus Honour to Mary
@ op she is already interceding for u even with all ur blasphemies

God forgive me but the truth must be told. Christianity is a confused religion

urn to Homepage "A Biblical Case for the Catholic Faith:
3 Fundamental ways the non-Catholic churches depart from
the Church of the Holy Bible"
Please email me with your questions, objections or
comments. INRI33AD@aol.com
Christ said the "Gates of Hell" would not prevail against his
Church? (Matt 16:16-19)
Do you believe what he said about this?
It is impossible for the "Gates of Hell" to overcome Christ's
Church or for it to teach false doctrines. It is impossible if
we "truly" believe what the Holy Scriptures say.
What I will ask you below will leave you in a quandary. You
will be faced with believing what the Holy Scriptures
actually say, or discounting them to justify your present
theology. It is true, that if the doctrines of the Catholic
Church were never corrupted, (as Protestants allege they
were), there would be no need for Protestantism; for there
would be nothing in the theology of Christ's Church to
"reform."
Let us be clear what we are discussing here. We are not
speaking of the "Sinners" in the Church or what these
sinners have done, past or present. We are discussing what
a Church officially teaches as the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
It's doctrines/creeds/catechisms.
Have men in the Catholic Church committed heinous sins in
the past, present or future? Unfortunately yes. But they are
not alone. All churches have their fair share of sinners,
even yours. During the Protestant reformation in the
Anglican stream, Henry VIII executed St. Thomas Moore
and many other Catholics who would not convert to the
Church of England. In the Calvinist stream, Calvin executed
the heretic Serventus. In the Lutheran stream, Martin
Luther advocated the killing of Anabaptist leaders, the
burning of Jewish synagogues and the slaughter of the
peasants during the Peasants War. In the Anabaptist
stream, Anabaptist seized the town of Munster in 1534,
burned all the books in the city (except the Bible), and
killed many before their attempt to establish a "New
Jerusalem" in the town fell apart the next year. And this
says nothing of the scandals of our modern day
televangelists or the plague facing today's Protestant
ministers with infidelity. Search "protestant pastors
infidelity " in google.com and read what Protestantism's
own ministers say about this epidemic problem of up to
30% of its pastors.
Yes, every church has a past and a present. That is why
one should not look at the "Sinners" of a Church to see if
the Church is Apostolic, but what the Church teaches, it's
theology. Are its Doctrines Apostolic, i.e. what the
Apostles taught the early Church? That is the question. CS
Lewis wrote in “Mere Christianity” that the ONLY reason to
belong to a particular faith is because it is True. Not
because you like the pastor or enjoy the music or they have
great activities for the kids. The ONLY reason to embrace a
faith is if it is Apostolic. The teachings of the Apostles to
the Bride of Christ, his early Church.
While a tree can surely be known by its fruit, we must
actually see if we are judging the tree itself (i.e., the
Church) and not the sinners IN the Church. For all of us are
sinners and every Church (Catholic and Protestant) is
guilty at one time or another of less than virtuous
leaders....To include the Apostolic Church 2000 years ago.
If we were to judge the Apostolic Church by the behavior of
the Apostles on Good Friday, there would be no reason to
accept Christ's infant Church, for all but 1 deserted him,
one denied him thrice and one betrayed him with a kiss. But
we don't reject Christ's Church for the sins of the Apostles,
we acknowledge their sin nature and rather accept the
Gospel Christ entrusted to them and his Church.
"Teach them to observe all I have taught you and behold I
am with you always until the end of the world" Matt 28:20
Yet, Protestants maintain that the Catholic Church has
become corrupt, or paganized or that it teaches false
doctrines. Has it? Christ started his Church in Matt
16:16-19.
"You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church, and
the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it" Matt 16:16-19
Scripture and history tell us that Christ started the Catholic
Church and for 1000+ years it was the ONLY Christian
Church on this planet. (Unless you want to count the "Great
Heresies of history," which even modern Protestants
consider outside orthodox Christianity.)
It was the ONLY Christian Church for 1000+ years. It was
and still is a universal Church. "Catholic" in Greek means
"Universal". I.e., the Universal Church, one Church, one
Faith.
"There is One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism, One God." Eph
4:4-6
St. Ignatius of Antioch, an early Christian Bishop and
student of John the Apostle wrote 77 years after Christ
ascended into Heaven:
"Let no one do anything of concern to the Church
without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid
Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one
whom he ordains [i.e., a presbyter]. Wherever the
bishop appears, let the people be there; just as
wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church"
(Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).
So how could the Catholic Church be corrupt or teach false
doctrines as non-Catholics maintain if we truly believe
Christ's words? Do you believe the Holy Scriptures even
though they don't conform to your present theology?
If the Church teaches an evil or false doctrine, is that
church still the
"Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the
truth?" 1 Timothy 3:14-16
Even though it teaches an evil doctrine?
1 Timothy 3:14-16 "if I am delayed, you will know how
people ought to conduct themselves in God's household,
which is the church of the living God, the pillar and
foundation of the truth."
But what of this Church that teaches a false/evil doctrine?
Is it still "guided by the Spirit to ALL Truth?"
John 16:12-14 "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he
will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own;
he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is
yet to come."
And this Church that teaches a false/evil doctrine, has
Satan overcome it to make it TEACH a false/evil doctrine?
Matt 16:16-18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art
Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the
gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give
unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in
heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be
loosed in heaven."
Did the Gates of Hell overcome it?
If you say no,,, and the Gates of Hell did NOT overcome
it,,,,
how come this church is teaching the "Devils false
Doctrine" yet not be over come by the Devil
Think about that. You must resolve this contradiction.
You BELIEVE it is teaching the Devil's false doctrine, but
you maintain that the Gates of Hell have not overcome it?
This is a contradiction. Either they did overcome the
Catholic Church and you are wrong about the passage of
scripture, or they didn't overcome it and you are wrong
about the Catholic Church teaching false doctrines. Which
is it?
And lastly, this Church who Protestant pastors claim are
teaching the Devil's false doctrine, was told:
Matt 28: 19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son
and of the Holy Spirit,
20 and teaching them to obey everything I have
commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the
very end of the age."
Is he not with his Church until the end of the age? The
Apostles would not live for ever so this was meant for His
Church. Should we believe the Protestant position that
Christ is with his Church, and that he sent the Spirit of
Truth, to guide it to ALL truth (John 16:13),,, but for some
reason, even though he will be with it to the end of the age,
he allows it to teach the *Devils Doctrine*?, i.e., something
AntiBiblical....something false?
Even though it is the Pillar and foundation of TRUTH?
How can the Truth teach an evil or false doctrine?
Is this your logic? Is this the conclusion? Or is this
rationalization of what one doesn't want to believe and
can't believe scripture teaches?
Either Christ's Church, the "Church of the living God", the
"Bride of Christ", the "Pillar and Foundation of Truth,"
either it's doctrine is corrupt and is teaching the false
Devils Doctrine,,,
or this Protestant theory of the Renaissance era (that ONLY
Protestants and Mormons adhere to), that the Church
Christ started is false and corrupt is not true and not even
Biblical.
Either we trust the Holy Words of Scripture and the
Guarantees of Jesus Christ about his Church or we don't.
Could it be that the doctrine of Christ's Church really IS
protected from "the Gates of Hell" and as Christ said,,,
*he really meant it* when he said he would send the "Spirit
of Truth to Guide his Church to ALL Truth"? (John 16:13)
Could have he really have meant it when it was called the
"Pillar and foundation of Truth"?
Given the fact that this is the way Christians have Always
believed was he really serious when he called it that?
Perhaps the Protestant position is just that. The Protestant
position,,, made up by Protestants in the Renaissance era.
And consequently NOT what the Apostles taught the Early
Church.
Either Christ's Church is what he said it was:
"the pillar and foundation of the truth." to which he would
send the "spirit to Guide it in ALL truth", and
he would be "with it until the end of the world" and the
"Gates of Hell would NEVER prevail against it"
Or this same Church now teaches the Devils False Doctrine
as modern Protestants maintain.
Who should we follow?
"The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of
the truth."1 Timothy 3:14-16
Or,
The revelations of Renaissance era philosophers? I.e. the
traditions of the Renaissance era man?
Just because you have believed something for years on
end. Doesn't mean it's true.
Either we believe Scripture or we don't.
Christ will protect his Church from "Officially Teaching"
error on matters of "Faith or Morals" until the end of time.
Not on matters of science or politics or even sports, only
matters of "Faith or Morals" for that is the job of Christ's
Church.
The sinners IN the Church are not protected but the
Doctrine of the Church itself. That is what the Bible tells
us.
"the Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of
the truth." 1 Timothy 3:14-16
Either we believe the Holy Scriptures or we don't.

Evil Brain: [img]http://4.bp..com/-b9sGhkLn0_g/USOOVOoSmZI/AAAAAAAAOGA/ufL5fGbzYVk/s1600/John+Paul+II+and+Maciel.jpg[/img]

Who is the cretin of a mod who hid my Patron saint of Pȃedophiles post? What was wrong with it?

Is it not true that John Paul II protected and promoted known child molesters throughout his reign? Is it not true that he constantly denied and made light of allegations of clergy abuse despite having access to mountains of evidence about thousands of pȃedophile priests? Is it not true that he once labelled victims who dared to speak out about their abuse liars? Was it not under his reign that the glacially slow and highly secretive Vatican bureaucracy allowed known abusers to continue raping children over decades and retire and die unpunished? Is it not John Paul II who promoted the culture of protecting the church at all costs leading to the worldwide cover-up and enabling of child abuse?

Is that not a picture of John Paul II hugging the notorious sex abuser Marcial Maciel at the top of this post? Is it not John Paul II that dismissed all the countless sex abuse allegations against "Father" Maciel over decades? Is it not John Paul II that promoted him, defended him and shielded him from punishment even while the abuses continued?

You catholic sheep should keep on ignoring all the evidence and deifying this guy. You simian mods should keep censoring those who speak the truth about him. Maybe when a priest rȃpes one of your children, you'll understand why this issue is important.

Its funny that you mindless religious zombies who are defending John Paul II and Benedict XVI don't even understand your own religion. You've failed to understand that the church is not the pretentious old men wearing the clownish clothes. The church is not the old buildings or the rituals or the prayers. The church is the people! The church is the tens of thousands of kids in the US alone (and countless more elsewhere) whose lives were destroyed because John Paul II and his successor didn't think the widespread and ongoing rȃpe of children was a matter needing urgent action.

And they want to make the guy a saint!!! The catholic church makes me sick.

Further reading

It is God dat made him a saint, please direct all your complaints to him. Thank u

victorlexa: abeg shut up,wch 1 b januzaj? Sm1 dt wud soon go
on loan abegii think b4 u talk

Shaaaraaaaaaap it is neymar dat should be loaned to QPR

Who is neymar to be compared with ororo c. U can't even compare neymar to Rooney. Barca fans una dey madt. Adnan Januzaj ll win world best before neymar starts dreaming of it. Put ur 50k

stupid thread, u 4got to add that the pharmacist that attended to her was a student pharmacist

onomeasike: incase you are not a health professional,pls ignore this foolish person,I am sure he thinks so highly of a doctor whereas he is so intellectually lazy to find out the curriculum content of other healthcare professional.such kind of statement will only come from a fool who thinks a doctor ORDERS(imagine this fool saying a doctor orders his professional equals to do test!)it tells you the kind of mentality this fool has.A doctor that can not synthesize a simple aspirin yet can order around a drug expert because he spent just 2years of basic clinical pharmacology(haba)!
In case you dont know,you guys are actually glorified errands boy for pharmacists who ,if iwant to use ur words,ORDER DOCTORS,to prescribe their products.if you dont,u are regarded as incompetent by the patients and no show for you.Now,who is the boss?pharmacists stay at the background and run things.
The nurse regards an arrogant doctor as a fool because he is not always around and most times will rely on the info collected and recorded by the nurse,infact,the nurses back the patient to good health even a fatal error done by adoctor.The nurse is the backbone of patient care especially in-patient.The med lab guys can make the fool out of even the most experienced doctor as clinical diagnosis relies heavily on lab results,infact,if the doctor is not convinced of the lab results,he seeks a second opinion by approaching another lab scientist!not another doctor to do the lab test for him/her!So if he continues to jump from one lab to another and while doing so he cannot make a final diagnosis,so who is the boss?
This mumu is here saying a doctor can order people who are not under him/her.Go to the medical lab and order lab scientists and see what you will see or why dont you enter pfizer,emzor,fidson and order pharmacists.

Mr man all dense pharmaceutical companies u mentioned are d ones who beg doctors to prescribe. their products. they even cook 4 doctors, give dem lab coats some even go to d extent of inviting doctors to recreational centres where dey basically do eye service for d doctors

same old story, d tin ll be delayed until d appeal court rules against it

Dr young: You are fishing now trying to disprove the points i raised. Junior Reg where senior house officers in the UK and some other countries.
Take your USMLE and cross over and see what I am talking about, nurses you people despise so much ,here are taking more advanced role so also is the pharmacist except being a surgeon. Nigeria nurses here are going for this advanced roles mostly from Msc to Doctorate. Some doctors mostly in family medicine are fighting to keep their job while the rest are going for what they believe the nurses will never do --surgery making advancement in embroyology, neurosurgery, cardiothoracic. Why not thread this part instead of thinking you can do all, from my experience the only thing that gives us an edge over these professionals is the law in Nigeria.
Source for information and know what is happening outside the shoreline of Nigeria

stop misinforming the public, in the us and UK nurse practitioners prescribe only if dey work with a doctor that can back dem up. check ur facts

GentleMimi: Its really unfortunate dat u d'nt know d diff btw a tech and a med lab scientist.Well i d'nt blame u.I blame pvt hsptls dat employ techs and potray dem as scientist just cos they c'nt afford to pay a med scientist

so e dey pain u DAT u r being compared to a lab technician. besides what does d so called scientist do DAT d technician can't?

[quote author=biomedixexcel]Medical Workers Strike Suspension: If I Were
NMA By Fejiro Oliver
Posted by Editor
A choir is made up of many voices, including
yours and mine. If one by one all go silent then
all that will be left are the soloists. Don’t let a
loud few determine the nature of the sound. It
makes for poor harmony and diminishes the
song.” – Vera Nazarian
Generations change their style of life; they dictate
how their future and that of their unborn should be.
They do so not at the peril of others, but for the
entire benefit of mankind. Their struggle begins from
the womb and come to fruition when they decide to
take their destinies in their hands. Still yet, they are
sympathetic to the cause of their current generation
even as they fight for a tomorrow they may never
see. But nothing is more paradisic (my own word for
living in paradise) than see their struggles,
agitations and tussle for survival come to fruition
while the breath of life still run in them.
The above aptly capture the delicate health system
and their medical workers who despite their
agitations remembered their Hippocratic Oath and
graciously, but with a clause suspended the strike.
At exactly 12.15am Wednesday, a top official of the
union sent me a text that the strike has just been
suspended. Before then, a government top official
has hinted me that they are meeting and the
minister who is currently under fire is ready to climb
down from his high horse and accede to JOHESU
requests. In the meeting which had the minister of
health were also present; the Head of civil service of
the federation and National President of TUC was an
agreement reached that the strike will be suspended
for four weeks, with an implementation committee
headed by the Head of civil service to implement the
ruling of the National Industrial court and the
minister not to go on appeal.
The true mark of repentance is humility, which Mr.
Onyebuchi Chukwu (who is likely to see me as an
antagonist, but I see him as a friend in progress)
may have shown by finally seeing reasons for the
just action of JOHESU. I do not believe he’s unjustly
insensitive, but the NMA constituency which he
belongs seems to affect his reasoning. He has
decided to right the wrongs of Late Ransome Kuti
and we bid posterity to begin his judgment from
there. Now that the strike has been called off; what
would I have done if I were the NMA national
president?
The strike once again has proved that the doctors of
medicine(MD) cannot work as health practitioners
without the other doctors and medical practitioners’,
thus proving that all services rendered by these
medical personnel are indispensible. Were I the
NMA chairman, I would humbly call my partners in
JOHESU and NUPTAM; apologize for any
inflammatory statements that might have angered
their members to pour out their venomous wrath on
Nigerians, which led to increased number of death
since their services were withdrawn. I will borrow a
leaf from the NMA Gombe State chairman, Dr Jauro
Degri statement, acknowledging their inability to
take the place of the other medical officers, thus,
“we want to inform the public that whatever service
we cannot render as a result of the strike, we can
always advise and direct them to where they can be
attended to”. It doesn’t cost a dime to be modest and
plead that the ultimate end for all medical workers is
what Dr Jauro said, “We are all trained to save lives
and these lives, we must save, because we know
that one day, we must account for this work that we
are doing,”. This is what the NMA should do
preaching unity and collaboration among
themselves.
Were I the NMA, I will team up with NUPTAM to
form a union that will take the government on the
decayed health facilities in the country, failed health
issues as their ASUU counterpart are demanding for
improvement in the education industry. Imagine a
union such as this going on strike! You can bet on it
that their industrial action will not last for more than
48 hours before the government of the day consent
to their reasonable request(s). They will get the
optimum support of all Nigerians, as their being
indispensible will be proved beyond reasonable
doubt. I will reflect on the NMA strike in Lagos State
where Governor Babatunde Fashola relegated them
to an inconsequential association, despite the weeks
it lingered, with works going on fully in Lagos
hospitals. A union such has this would have made
Fashola literary creeping and begging for it to be
called off. If I were NMA; I would advocate for this
common union in the spirit of brotherhood and
comradeship.
Had I been the NMA, I will truly seek the advice of
the Medical Laboratory scientist who is more
grounded in their field and thus better, than a
pathologist. I will see their services as indispensible,
taking a big lesson from the MD in UBTH who tried
to do the work of the striking Medical scientist and
ended up spilling 18 PCV out of 24 PCV, a clear case
of inability.
How about the case of the Doctors of physiotherapy
(DPT)? The Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria
(MDCN) will join the Medical Rehabilitation Therapy
Board (MRTB) to ask the government to provide
enough equipment to the various hospitals, to enable
the few graduates they produce do their internship
in any hospital in the country. Next, we will write to
Nigerian Universities Commission to increase the
number of universities studying this course (they are
less than 15), while we do all it takes to meet the
requirements to setting up such department. A new
branch of medicine it is but indispensible. Nigerian
former military president, Babangida can testify to
it, when he went for a broken leg treatment abroad,
as well as former vice president, Atiku Abubakar
who have been treated by name. Do we need to
mention the governor of Taraba State who needs it
to come back to his memory, working alongside a
neuro specialist?
To the nurses, who are the de facto head of the
wards, will I pledge my union support, to respect
and not claim to be their boss when actually we are
not, either by practice or training, except by age or
grade level. We at the NMA executive will set up a
committee to look into the unwritten fracas
happening between the doctors of medicine and
nursing graduates; then proffer a solution once and
for all, knowing that the common stake we share is
to make a patient get well. We will go the length of
meeting the radiography board to iron out our
differences while reaching a synergy that not only
will they exercise their authority as the modern eyes
of in-depth medical practice in their private
hospitals, but also government hospitals.
We understand that we don’t know anything about
diet, and thus should not feign to be dieticians. As
the NMA, we accept that we are only a group of
specialist in a particular field, who even in our
personal lives seek the advice of the dieticians and
follow strictly the diet they laid down for us. This
dietary department, if true confession is made is a no
go area, and thus we won’t and should not deceive
patients that it’s within our jurisdiction to give right
solution. Succinctly put; we are only an allied
profession to it just as we are to others and they are
to us.
To undermine the Pharmacists who are called
Doctor of Pharmacy abroad, if I were a NMA
president is to commit career suicide, since my
patients cure begin from their doorsteps. They
manufacture the drugs which we prescribe to
whoever seeks our advice. Beside, these are group
of people who can work alone and in places outside
the hospital/clinic settings without needing my
services or educational input. I will seek to mend
fence with them if there were any.
Why should we in the medical sector struggle for
leadership when that is actually not the problem
with our hospitals. In the beginning, it was not so;
thus I will let my NMA constituency know that there
are no superior in this field of medicine, but equals
working toward the same purpose, to achieve a
common goal- improved and better health care for
us with good monetary value accrued to our
services. The debate for harmony is a welcome
development, so will I see it, after all, we truly
harmonize in the discharge of our duties to the
patients. The mistake/failure on the part of a medical
lab scientist or radiographer renders useless all the
treatment of a doctor of medicine or doctor of
physiotherapy. The careless action of a nurse will
see a patient to the grave and the list goes on. I will
gladly follow the words of Tony Hillarman,
“Everything is connected. The wing of the corn
beetle affects the direction of the wind, the way the
sand drifts, the way the light reflects into the eye of
man beholding his reality. All is part of totality, and
in this totality man finds his hozro, his way of
walking in harmony, with beauty all around him”.
This is the harmony that we truly need which should
reflect in the leadership. We agree that anyone can
head, but better if a hospital administrator is made
the head while we all focus on our clinical duties,
and the commissioner or minister of health being
from any competent medical practitioner.
Oh if I were! I will not see Fejiro Oliver as a witch
hunting journalist, who was paid to demystify the
medical profession, but a reporter who was simply
doing his job to see that the health sector is truly
reformed and a better working relationship among
all the practitioners. Yes, I will look at all he has said
critically, analyzed it and with modesty kick off to
work.
I really wish were!
Nothing gladdens a reporter’s heart than seeing his
genuine cry heard in the interest of the nation. We at
secretsreporters saw a medical strike genocide
coming had the state and local government hospitals
joined today, that the strike was eventually
suspended. We saw our grandparents in the village
raining curses on the government for denying them
access to these medical workers, most especially the
ladies who love to visit a hospital and love being
attended to by the ladies in white. While they label
our report as being too frank; we just could not be
too mild with the lives of Nigerians. What they fail to
understand is that should NMA go on a just strike
tomorrow, we will still be here to ring the bells in
support of them. Oh yes, we will!
We‘ve not backed out of the call to relieve the
minister of health of his ministerial position, but it’s
never late for him to make amend, go back to the
drawing table and retrace his steps. The strike has
only been suspended, not called off; hence let the
agreement and consensus to these deserving
requests be granted. This is no call of support for
JOHESU but for the general good of the citizenry
who will die next after the expiration of four weeks
with the agreement not honored. Even the lands
have rejected their corpse; Mr. President, do not
force them on the land.
For now, JOHESU/NUPTAM and the patients in the
hospitals that will now see their doctors, Nurses,
Medical lab scientist, Imaging Scientist, Dieticians
etc back to work treat them, can now pop
champagne.
These little things matter…[/quote

why are u popping champagne when its obvious johesu did not achieve any tin with did strike

skabber2: mr health minister, please obey first ( the court ruling) and then complain!

he can't cause d court ruling is confusing and ll destabilize the health sector

Dr young: @dnaz, and all ,now that is the typical Nigeria doctors and med students behavior and I hate to be associated with such people.
Dnaz, your reasoning is way off, people are reading this and forming their conclusions about doctors. we might be special but for how long. we have conflicts in our camp then another conflicts brewing outside our camp all because of ego and arrogance.

Chillax what do I care besides de ve already made deir conclusions before this thread started. If I am accused of something I am not den I ll like to try dat thing

Osahon7: is dnaz a lady?? No wonder!! I reserve my comments..

Dnt u wish ur girlfriend was hot like ♏E,
Dnt u wish ur girlfriend was a doctor like ♏E
Don't u even wish u were a doctor like ♏E
Don't yaaaa! Don't yaaaa?

joshuapharm: Did you attend primary school at all? Go through my posts on this thread and u'll understand better. Go to bed plssss.

Oh yeah I also graduated with a distinction in my FSLC, not pass level like u, den I scored 546 in my NBEM and proceeded to a Federal Govt college

[quote author=on a good day]Why do you waste your mb on that Dnaz that reasons like a pry six graduate,we are discussing serious issues here and she was talking about jamb and waec,she rarely reads through a comment before pouncing on the poster,do not dignify her by replying her comments, when we want to discuss jamb and waec,we will invite her[/quote]Yeah I m beauty and brains. Tongue out

Osahon7: Basic components of CLINICAL PHARMACIST practice
1. Prescribing drugs
2. Administering drugs
3. Documenting professional services
4. Reviewing drug use
5. Communication
6. Counseling
7. Consulting
8. Preventing Medication Errors Scope of clinical pharmacy: Drug Information Drug Utilization Drug Evaluation and Selection Medication Therapy Management Formal Education and Training Programs Disease State Management

How can u prescribe wen u dnt knw wats wrong with the pt. May a pharmacist administer intrathecal triamcinolone to u wen u eventually cme down with osteoarthritis of d lumbosacral spine, may a pharmacist administer intravenous aminophylline to ur child wen he develops breathlessness and Iv hydralazine to ur wife. Wen she has pre eclampsia

joshuapharm: I understand u're a mature person here... It's a general Nigerian problem.. Pharmacists also av their problems, it myt no just be obvious. But the assumed lordship of our doctors is unbecoming. I don't see why a doc shud be NAFDAC DG. What does he know about drug analysis? What does he know about drug regulation and registration? Except that there are competent pharmacists there taking care of all that. Onyebuchi has to go!!!

The man dey kamkpe

Osahon7: am cleared!!!.now i undastand...Dr pls end dis tussle...@pharmacist, Nurses and MLS in the house,fine u all can prescribe.A MLS make diagnosis wit tests and Pharmacist prescribe the drugs..leave the docs to do the blades work..If dere can be discriminations among surgeons and physicians all in the same NMA,am not surprise seein all dese pharmacist,nurses,mls VS doctors.

Mr man u r not a doctor not less a med student. If nurses start prescribing deb Traditional birth attendants ll also start prescribing, Community Health extension workers ll also start prescribing. FYI dere is no Rift b/w surgeons and Physicians except d ones u made up in ur head. Maybe u dnt even knw d difference b/w d two

Osahon7: Though am in NMA and MDCN camp bt i belive dose bodies a hell of selfish bodies..it was wen i gained adm into medical skool dat i discovered..in d prospectus, for a graduate of Anatomy,physiologyand BCH who wishes to get a MBBS/BDS, dey hav to start frm yr2 wich is anat, physio and BCH class..my question is why cant dose ana,physio and Bch grad start frm the clinical class since dey are already masters of d basic medical courses??

My dear let ♏E explain it to u. Granted a person has a Bsc in anatomy, he lacks d required standard in physiology and human biochemistry, if he has physio, he has not passed anat and bch, if he has bch, he has not passed anat and physio. And for u to start clinicals he must pass all three. So u see why he has to start from 2nd year. I hope somebody ll not come out and tell ♏E dat an anatomy graduate knws more anatomy dan a doctor before hippocrates ll rise from d grave to slap d crap out of him/her

Joanna Sedley: it is no longer doctors prescribtion. Google professionals that have prescribtion powers and see

The problem is dat u need googles, I think u have Myopia, any symptom of headache, itchy eyes or tearing, has anybody in ur family lineage worn googles. If so I m referring u to an optometrist. Even though I knw what u need but make d optometrist chop food abeg

bumfem: @Dmaz... u can now see that u are a neonate when it come to discussing the issues without insulting others. U have no idea of current trend globally. Best practices in the developed nations today is collaborative health care approach not egocentric that leads patients and the system no where. There are nursing practitioners in US who are found more at the community levels, they assess and dx and prescribes medication. They are been found at that level to be better than many physicians. Govt of ontario in Canada now clears physiotherapist to co-examine patient at outpatient clinics bc they are better detectors of musculoskeletal disorders...loads of research support this. Pharmacist now to review and adjust accordingl the effect of various medications in patients in the ward because they are far better than physicians at it. I can go on an on... In UK in Aussie and new zealand. There are highly developed countries who we are looking up to. Their policy and program is about what works and not on ego and fallacy.
I don't see this nation coming out our situation until we embraced truth and justice.

If I am a neonate, u are a retained product of incomplete abortion, I m coming with my MVA kit to Evacuate u

Osahon7: WHY ALL DIS UNNECCESSARY NOISE? THE DENTAL SURGEONS(THOUGH ALSO MEMEBERS OF NMA) DONT DEY DO GENERAL SURGERY AND GENERGY MEDICINE? PAEDATRICS,LABORATORY MEDICINE ETC EXCEPT O and G.. Wats d big deal dere??pls its time we end all dese power tussule..the pharmacist want to be CMD, fine,y dont we give dem a shot??

Dentists are doctors so they can do whatever they like. I rather have a dentist managing my illness not a nurse or lab technician

bumfem: @Dmaz... u can now see that u are a neonate when it come to discussing the issues without insulting others. U have no idea of current trend globally. Best practices in the developed nations today is collaborative health care approach not egocentric that leads patients and the system no where. There are nursing practitioners in US who are found more at the community levels, they assess and dx and prescribes medication. They are been found at that level to be better than many physicians. Govt of ontario in Canada now clears physiotherapist to co-examine patient at outpatient clinics bc they are better detectors of musculoskeletal disorders...loads of research support this. Pharmacist now to review and adjust accordingl the effect of various medications in patients in the ward because they are far better than physicians at it. I can go on an on... In UK in Aussie and new zealand. There are highly developed countries who we are looking up to. Their policy and program is about what works and not on ego and fallacy.
I don't see this nation coming out our situation until we embraced truth and justice.

U r just a compound idiot with complicated malaria
In the U.S a Nurse practitioner can only prescribe when he/she has d signatory of d doctor that ll back her. A nurse practitioner had to close her clinic wen d doctor he was working with left d clinic
Nowhere in the world does a pharmacist prescribe u r just telling lies. Y'all shuld chill and serve ur master. A catechist cannot claim to be a priest even if he can recite d mass he can't celebrate it nor touch holy communion

joshuapharm: U're wrong sir.. The word prescription has the symbol 'Rx' and the meaning 'recipere' or 'take thou'. So you see it has no peculiarity to med docs. The many other underlying factors u spoke about are the reasons y u shud seek a Rxcist's advise b4 u prescribe although not in all cases. When it comes to cases like chemotherapy, diabetes, cardiovascular diseases, the pharmacist must be sought. There are underlying factors involved in the prod of drugs. Like I advised sum1 on anoda thread to stick with one brand of nitroglycerin for angina because of d issue of bioequivalence. Cooperation is very key. Very very key.

Its not necessary its d doctor dat knows what's best for the patient. If anytin happens we ll accept d responsibility. I tell u most solemnly a pharmacist does not knw how to prescribe so he shuldnt. Prescription is not d same for every patient

Just came back from work to discover u all have been spewing nonsense on this thread. Anyway make I chop 1st

Joanna Sedley: as in jack of all .......... And master of.........
I wonder what you think is the course content of those 101;201;301 course and all other stuff

Jack of all and master of all

I wuld also like to educate u more. Pathology has 5 parts,there are Histopathology or anatomic pathology, Chemical pathology, Haematology,Medical Microbiology and Parasitology and Finally Immunology

joshuapharm: The question here is what did u do in school that gives u right to prescribe that other health professionals didn't do? Just mention, let's try to be objective now. How m I even sure I'm arguing with a med doc sef?

We read anatomy not ANA 202,301 or 322
Physiology and not PSI 201,302,etc
Biochemistry not BCH 211 etc
We also read PATHOLOGY which summarises lab science, Pharmacology not 301 222 302 401, and in addition we read Radiiology, anaesthesiology, Ophthalmology, dermatology, E.N.T, paediatrics, Obstetrics and gynaecology,internal medicine and surgery, we also read community medicine, Primary health care and family medicine. Yeah we Knw everything abt our patients

joshuapharm: Lalaamed really disappointed me on this thread, I use to av respect for whoever he or she is. Our doctors need to av their heads re-examined. Our patients also av a fault, in that they don't know their rights.

Who ll examine our heads? Maybe lab technicians