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If Mary wasn't kept untainted by God, Christ will have been conceived in sin like all men.
Mary was specially prepared for her role in Salvation

uboma:
Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, had inherited the fallen flesh from our first parents Adam and Eve, just like every other human being alive today.

No she was saved from contracting original sin by the special grace of God.

Jesse01:
did Jesus have human Father?

No
But he had a human mother

Yes Mary was without sin. She was a master piece of God, prepared specially to conceive her son. If Mary was stained with original sin, then Jesus who is God himself will dwell in a sinful body . if she wasn't saved beforehand by God from sin then Jesus will be conceived in sin. Jesus got all his Human DNA from Mary. She was saved by the merits of her son Because she is Theotokos. God bearer
Pray to the holy spirit for understanding
Chaire kecharitomene

Jesse01:
wrong wrong wrong! for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 so dat means Mary was also a sinner, God favour falls upon her just like, it did to Jacob, Joseph, David and co,not dat Mary was sinless, sometimes I Wonder if dis so call Men of God, read,d bible self.

So Jesus too sinned

esherizdan:
So u will b judged by d doctrine of ur church abi.

He ll render to everyone according to his works

JoeB1988:
The Church that Christ built witnessed a division in 451 AD in the Chalcedon Council. The Church split into the The Oriental Orthodox Churches and the Western Churches. The Oriental Orthodox Churches continued in the ways of the Early Church while the Western Church split again in 1054 AD into the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches.

If you are looking for the Church that Christ built, you will have to look for the Oriental Orthodox Churches. Every other church today, including the Catholic Church, are man-made.

I hear u, u might b gud in history or rather copy & paste, but it was written do these in remembrance of me (JESUS). So guy chill

Were u sleeping during history class?
Nonsense history

esherizdan:
Thank u bro the problem of many so called christian believers dont study the bible to show themselves approved unto God.They prefer to hold on to d creed and dogmas of their church or denomination.Nobody will be judge by d doctrines of ur church.we will all be judged according to the word of God.Anything that contradicts d bible should be thrown away it doesnt matter who preach it as long as its contrary to the word of God throw it away

Where was it stated we will be judged by the bible?
What will now be used to judge the early church that existed before the canon of the bible?
Where was it stated that the Bible is the sole rule of faith?
Peter Paul, James and John don't know the bible we use today
It was the Catholic church that added the new testament to the scriptures of their time and called it Bible and the Church never said its the sole rule of faith

bionixs:
you are smart but how does catholic raise the billions she spends?

Did u not hear Voluntary donations?

Is the money going to Gods pocket or into his ministry (ie his own pocket)

Abeg where him dey see this God?

Ana kogheri

efficiencie:
Na wa ohh...Na by force to stop people from doing what they like with their money, particularly when it doesn't affect you in any way? Some people just carry this tithe thing for head whereas there are people that buy the services of LovePeddler, drugs, exotic alcohol etc and these loafers do not make a fuss out of that...If a person deems it fit to pay tithe then let him pay after all it is his money and not anyone's.

3 I testify again to every man who receives circumcision( that He is bound to keep the whole law.
Galatians 5:3
Citcumscion and tithing both belong to the law

4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Galatians 5:4

Emmanystone:
I seem to see only one devil's representative here who believes other than Faith in Christ, other things shd be added to Christianity.

Oga, abeg go house.

Council of Chalcedon
"After the reading of the foregoing epistle [The Tome of Leo], the most reverend bishops cried out: ‘This is the faith of the fathers! This is the faith of the apostles! So we all believe! Thus the orthodox believe! Anathema to him who does not thus believe! Peter has spoken thus through Leo! . . . This is the true faith! Those of us who are orthodox thus believe! This is the faith of the Fathers!’" (Acts of the Council, session 2 [A.D. 451])

OLAADEGBU:
This Martin Luther of a guy doesn't just nail stuff to church doors but when he does stuff begins to happen.

Yes when the devil opens the gates of hell, things begin to happen

OLAADEGBU:
Martin Luther was an Augustinian monk of the 16th century. Like many other contenders of the gospel both before his time and after, he was an imperfect man whom God chose to use in mighty ways.

Faith alone, scripture alone are not from Christ they are from Luther. So now u are honoring them , isn't that worship by your standards

JackBizzle:
Who has time for that?

All you need to do is to go on youtube and look at any debate on the catholic church. Western intellectuals hate the catholic church with passion.

-anti condom stance to fight against aids
-homophobia
-sexism
-Greed (See the bishop of bling)
-covering up rapist priests who prey on children
-Sadism (Mother Theresa, as an example who loved the suffering of the poor)
-Inquistions
-slavery


The sins of the catholic church are many and have happen over hundreds of years.

I said it. U get info from you tube. Like seriously you tube ? Every tom dick and harry can get anything on you tube. Why didn't u type positive things about the catholic church there and if u won't see many expositories. Ur mind is biased and want to see evil

JackBizzle:
Not statistics. I did read about the popes and history of the catholic church. I was a catholic.

I guess from an anti Catholic propagandist pamphlet or website

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=17&ved=0ahUKEwjWheOS_JrXAhWrCsAKHbcWCMYQFgh1MBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.luther.de%2Fen%2F95thesen.html&usg=AOvVaw3TwcVjvCFM_aed6BvETAI0

Here is it , the 95 theses
They are mostly legitimate catholic beliefs

Have u guys even read the 95 theses?
Luther believed in purgatory

Everything is Protestant Propaganda. From the common narrative of the Crusades to the Spanish Inquisition to this crappy post. None is True just Cheap Protestant Propaganda

chatinent:
Chatdom rights reserved (c)
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The Roman Catholic church has grown in a way that, in many lands, it is known. Here are few dos and doctrines of catholicism:
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1. Performing signs of worship to/by use of graven images. The Bible forewarned us about creating any image used as, for worship. Exodus 20:4-5 completely made it clear to us to steer clear of graven images.
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2. Baptizing at infantry, and method of baptism. The verge of sin, in Catholicism goes so far as baptizing at infantry. Is this in accordance with the bible? Last time I checked, Jesus was baptized at adult age when he could rightly make a choice. Catholics sprinkle water on the candidate for baptism and it's thereby stated baptism.
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3. The reverend class doesn't marry or have sexual relation with the opposite sex. A friend of mine would always say: 'Reverend fathers are always said to be clean when their tool hasn't been detached.' Truth has it that, in a hundred percent flock -- a couple I know of -- have dealings behind closed doors with the opposite sex (nuns) and some go homosexual. The remaining about fourth percent have to 'act' holy all their life. We all know, no man is righteous so far sin has already come to stay and imperfection is already getting a family of polygamy.
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4. Forever-virgin Mary, the 'mother of God'. Mary was a virgin afore Jesus' birth, that's true. However, Mary did bear other children, how then is 'virgin' attributed to her?
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- The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus and is pagan.
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5. Heresies.
- Veneration of angels and dead saints is practised by Catholics. The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were primitive directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Catholic Church.
- Worship of the cross, images and relics was authorized and this was by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time.
Such practice is called simply IDOLATRY in the Bible, and is severely condemned.
- Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized.
- Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV
Every believer and follower of Christ is called saint in the Bible im Catholicism.
- The Rossary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans
The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ. (Matthew 6:5-13)
- Confession of sin to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III., in the Lateran Council
The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm 51:1-10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; 1st John 1:8-9).
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6. Trinity. 'God the father, God the son, God the Holy spirit.' Simple explanation: if God was the Son, then who was Jesus praying to? If he were all in one, he never needed to pray to a distant entity, did he?' If God were the Holy Spirit, well, those angels who saw pretty women on Earth and came down wouldn't have been punished so far it was still one body, would they? Jesus always said he was sent by the Father to Earth, that shows a gap. The Holy Spirit is God's special force.

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Let's take a pause... These are just few, more coming for other beliefs. Do follow us. Well, what is your say on this topic?
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* references: Google, the Bible.
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Cc: lalasticlala, AM4J, Seun
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Origin: http://www.chatdom.com.ng/education/see-six-catholic-church-doctrines-that-you-may-find-hard-to-believe/msg75/#msg75

Have u really said anything new. Ur tactics are not working, the gates of hell will not prevail
Et unam sanctam CATHOLICA et APOSTOLICA Ecclesiam

Home/Controversy/The Inquisition
The Truth About the Spanish Inquisition
THOMAS F. MADDEN
Because it was both professional and efficient, the Spanish Inquisition kept very good records.






These documents are a goldmine for modern historians who have plunged greedily into them. Thus far, the fruits of that research have made one thing abundantly clear — the myth of the Spanish Inquisition has nothing at all to do with the real thing.

The scene is a plain-looking room with a door to the left. A pleasant young man, pestered by tedious and irrelevant questions, exclaims in a frustrated tone, "I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition." Suddenly the door bursts open to reveal Cardinal Ximinez flanked by Cardinal Fang and Cardinal Biggles. "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!" Ximinez shouts. "Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope.... Our four...no.... Amongst our weapons...amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again."

Anyone not living under a rock for the past 30 years will likely recognize this famous scene from Monty Python's Flying Circus. In these sketches three scarlet-clad, inept inquisitors torture their victims with such instruments as pillows and comfy chairs. The whole thing is funny because the audience knows full well that the Spanish Inquisition was neither inept nor comfortable, but ruthless, intolerant, and deadly. One need not have read Edgar Allan Poe's The Pit and the Pendulum to have heard of the dark dungeons, sadistic churchmen, and excruciating tortures of the Spanish Inquisition. The rack, the iron maiden, the bonfires on which the Catholic Church dumped its enemies by the millions: These are all familiar icons of the Spanish Inquisition set firmly into our culture.

This image of the Spanish Inquisition is a useful one for those who have little love for the Catholic Church. Anyone wishing to beat the Church about the head and shoulders will not tarry long before grabbing two favorite clubs: the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. I have dealt with the Crusades in a previous issue of Crisis (see "The Real History of the Crusades," April 2002). Now on to the other club.

In order to understand the Spanish Inquisition, which began in the late 15th century, we must look briefly at its predecessor, the medieval Inquisition. Before we do, though, it's worth pointing out that the medieval world was not the modern world. For medieval people, religion was not something one just did at church. It was their science, their philosophy, their politics, their identity, and their hope for salvation. It was not a personal preference but an abiding and universal truth. Heresy, then, struck at the heart of that truth. It doomed the heretic, endangered those near him, and tore apart the fabric of community. Medieval Europeans were not alone in this view. It was shared by numerous cultures around the world. The modern practice of universal religious toleration is itself quite new and uniquely Western.

Secular and ecclesiastical leaders in medieval Europe approached heresy in different ways. Roman law equated heresy with treason. Why? Because kingship was God-given, thus making heresy an inherent challenge to royal authority. Heretics divided people, causing unrest and rebellion. No Christian doubted that God would punish a community that allowed heresy to take root and spread. Kings and commoners, therefore, had good reason to find and destroy heretics wherever they found them — and they did so with gusto.

For medieval people, religion was not something one just did at church. It was their science, their philosophy, their politics, their identity, and their hope for salvation. It was not a personal preference but an abiding and universal truth. Heresy, then, struchttps://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/the-inquisition/the-truth-about-the-spanish-inquisition.html

mekuso89:
I see battalions heading straight to hell

U must be leading them

GuyfawkesAB:
It's the indoctrination from childhood that turns these vehement defenders of obvious idolatry into what they are.

Some Catholic kids gather close to my house. They have a booth where they have a figurine of Mary. They light candles and kneel and bow down endlessly praying to it once every other week. My heart bleeds at such indoctrination of naive children.

If it pain u, go and beat them naa

omojeesu:
Part of sun & moon worship. Mary the mother of Jesus is waiting for the Rapture. Your Mary is different.

At least u understand the post big thumb ups to u. Other critics are just daft

niceprof:
We walk by faith and not by feelings,if you have genuinely repented,don't mind how you feel,but make sure you dont fall into such foolishness again.

First put that girl away from you and for conscience sake,confess to your Pastor or someone you respect,it will help take the guilt away.

Una don't dey confess to pastor too,
@OP better hurry and marry or I promise u ,u ll kpansh her again

Beey:
Scriptures are clear so am not sure what else you were expecting.

James 2:24 So you see a man is justified by Works and not by faith alone
What can be clearer than this

OLAADEGBU:
Are Roman Catholicism And Christianity the same thing?

Christianity is properly defined by certain doctrines that are revealed in the Bible. It is not defined by simply saying that as long as you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is a brother of the devil in the pre-existence. The Jesus of the Jehovah's Witnesses is Michael the Archangel. So, just saying you believe in Jesus doesn't make you a Christian.

https://carm.org/is-catholicism-christian

Stupid post

[quote author=Beey post=61743923][/quote]This describes our initial stage of conversion which is dependent on faith. But after we are converted our faith must work for it to be valid otherwise it is still birth

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:10
The Apostle goes further to exhort us

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, WORK out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
Philippians 2:12
It is so indeed that we are saved by grace through faith and not on our own merits but after that we must work by mortifying our flesh to observe the commandments the greatest of which is love. For so the holy apostle exhorts us and the church fathers asset FAITH, HOPE and LOVE the greatest of this being LOVE and the apostle further goes on
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love.
Galatians 5:6
And this is the justification of the impious just as the holy synod(council of Trent puts it)
n the increase of Justification received.
Having, therefore, been thus justified, and made the friends and domestics of God, advancing from virtue to virtue, they are renewed, as the Apostle says, day by day; that is, by mortifying the members of their own flesh, and by presenting them as instruments of justice unto sanctification, they, through the observance of the commandments of God and of the Church, faith co-operating with good works, increase in that justice which they have received through the grace of Christ, and are still further justified, as it is written; He that is just, let him be justified still; and again, Be not afraid to be justified even to death; and also, Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. And this increase of justification holy Church begs, when she prays, "Give unto us, O Lord, increase of faith, hope, and charity."
CHAPTER XI.
On keeping the Commandments, and on the necessity and possibility thereof.
But no one, how much soever justified, ought to think himself exempt from the observance of the commandments; no one ought to make use of that rash saying, one prohibited by the Fathers under an anathema,-that the observance of the commandments of God is impossible for one that is justified. For God commands not impossibilities, but, by commanding, both admonishes thee to do what thou are able, and to pray for what thou art not able (to do), and aids thee that thou mayest be able; whose commandments are not heavy; whose yoke is sweet and whose burthen light. For, whoso are the sons of God, love Christ; but they who love him, keep his commandments, as Himself testifies; which, assuredly, with the divine help, they can do. For, although, during this mortal life, men, how holy and just soever, at times fall into at least light and daily sins, which are also called venial, not therefore do they cease to be just. For that cry of the just, Forgive us our trespasses, is both humble and true. And for this cause, the just themselves ought to feel themselves the more obligated to walk in the way of justice, in that, being already freed from sins, but made servants of God, they are able, living soberly, justly, and godly, to proceed onwards through Jesus Christ, by whom they have had access unto this grace.
For God forsakes not those who have been once justified by His grace, unless he be first forsaken by them. Wherefore, no one ought to flatter himself up with faith alone, fancying that by faith alone he is made an heir, and will obtain the inheritance, even though he suffer not with Christ, that so he may be also glorified with him. For even Christ Himself, as the Apostle saith, Whereas he was the son of God, learned obedience by the things which he suffered, and being consummated, he became, to all who obey him, the cause of eternal salvation. For which cause the same Apostle admonishes the justified, saying; Know you not that they that run in the race, all run indeed, but one receiveth the prize? So run that you may obtain. I therefore so run, not as at an uncertainty: I so fight, not as one beating the air, but I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection; lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a cast-away. So also the prince of the apostles, Peter; Labour the more that by good works you may make sure your calling and election. For doing those things, you shall not sin at any time. From which it is plain, that those are opposed to the orthodox doctrine of religion, who assert that the just man sins, venially at least, in every good work; or, which is yet more insupportable, that he merits eternal punishments; as also those who state, that the just sin in all their works, if, in those works, they, together with this aim principally that God may be gloried, have in view also the eternal reward, in order to excite their sloth, and to encourage themselves to run in the course: whereas it is written, I have inclined my heart to do all thy justificatitions for the reward: and, concerning Moses, the Apostle saith, that he looked unto the reward