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malvisguy212:
While Elijah was at the house of a widow in the city of Zarephath, the woman’s son died.
But Elijah “cried unto Jehovah, and said..., Jehovah my God, I pray thee, let this child’s SOUL COME INTO HIM AGAIN ” (1 Kings 17:21). Hezekiah celebrated the fact that the soul survives the death of the body: “But thou hast in love to my soul (nephesh) delivered it from the pit of corruption” (Isaiah 38:17)

According to 1 Tim. 6:16, only GOD has immortality. What are you saying?

goodnews201668:
He shy away from answering these two questions ooo:

1: According to Ezekiel 28:13-18, Satan will be burnt to ashes. How is it you claim he will be alive burning forever? Or can ashes be alive?

2: Jesus said it's easier for a Camel to pass through the needle's eye than for a rich man to make the kingdom.
If parables are to be taken literally,
Does it mean a Camel can possibly pass through the needle's eyes?

Was Jesus saying that a Camel must pass through the eyes of a needle for a wealthy man to make the kingdom?

I guess he couldn't find any scriptural back-up for the lies he has chosen to believe.

goodnews201668:
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Those are parable not real event.
According to John 3:13 Jesus says no man has ascended to heaven except him that came down from heaven.
So neither Lazarus nor Abraham was in heaven when Jesus narrated the story.
If jesus story were to be taken literal it means someone in hellfire can see someone in heaven. It also means someone in hellfire can as well talk to someone in heaven.

I no wan go that kind Heaven o

Jozzy4:
you are confuse man, the rich MAN not the rich ghost or rich immaterial soul . RIch MAN , MAN, MAN , MAN

Jesus descriptions are human , clear . not the nonsense u are reading into it

Scholar8200:
Go take your Bible serious. The rich man asked for water to cool his tongue and even requested Lazarus deep his finger!
Jesus said these, not me!

Will eternity for righteous people be such that the wicked (supposedly also alive forever) will be within earshot disturbing their communion with GOD with their constant cries and be them begging for water?

The rich man begged to have somebody be sent to warn his brothers on earth. Who will the wicked beg to be sent and to whom are they going to be sent?

Scholar8200:
I have answered your question.

What scene is Malachi 4:1,3 describing if not the judgment day?

Scholar8200:
I see! So the fire will annihilate man but preserve worms alive!!!

Who is talking about worm? Worm is not mentioned in Psalm 37:9,10. The wicked will BE NO MORE!

Where is this mysterious place you said they are going?

Scholar8200:
Go take your Bible serious. The rich man asked for water to cool his tongue and even requested Lazarus deep his finger!
Jesus said these, not me!

So righteous people are carried to Abraham's bosom at death?

Scholar8200:
Cross check this with Psalm 9:17, will the righteous and wicked head to the same place going by the tenor of Palm 9:17?

"The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget GOD" Psalm 9:17.

Definitely, the wicked will be turned into hell. GOD will rain fire and brimstone upon them.

But does this verse say "immediately after their death?"

Scholar8200:
The fact that the Psalmist speaks of a place for the wicked and the enemies of God (not as a place of rest but a retribution for their rejection of God) perfectly agrees with the view given in the New Testament of a place of torment

Does the Psalmist say the wicked will be alive burning forever?

Scholar8200:
Ezekiel 28 has a double application first to a human king of Tyrus hence we need to gain a better view from other passages to understand the end of the ultimate reference eg Revelation 20.

Please answer my question: According to Ezekiel 28:13-18, Satan will be burnt to ashes. How is it you claim he will be alive burning forever? Or can ashes be alive?

Scholar8200:
Ezekiel 28 has a double application first to a human king of Tyrus hence we need to gain a better view from other passages to understand the end of the ultimate reference eg Revelation 20.

Please, who is Ezekiel 28:13-18 talking about if not Satan?

Was the king of Tyrus in Eden? Or was he GOD's covering cherub?

Scholar8200:
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Psalm 9:17

Does that verse say the wicked will be alive burning forever?

Scholar8200:
That place talks of the interment of the flesh. Just as both the rich man and Lazarus were interred but there destinations were different.

Eccl. 9:10 does not say "where your flesh is being interred". It says "whither thou goest". Man is going to the grave!

Also, does the Bible indicate any "change of destination" in death? Man and animal go to the same place at death.

Man and animal have one destination in death. See Eccl. 3:19-22. Now, are animals carried to Heaven too?

Scholar8200:
That place talks of the interment of the flesh. Just as both the rich man and Lazarus were interred but there destinations were different.

Eccl. 9:10 does not say "where your flesh is being interred". It says "whither thou goest". Man is going to the grave!

Also, does the Bible indicate any "change of destination" in death? Man and animal go to the same place at death.[email]

Scholar8200:
That place talks of the interment of the flesh. Just as both the rich man and Lazarus were interred but there destinations were different.

Eccl. 9:10 does not say "where your flesh is being interred". It says "whither thou goest". Man is going to the grave!

Also, does the Bible indicate any "change of destination" in death? Man and animal go to the same place at death.[/email]

Scholar8200:
That place talks of the interment of the flesh. Just as both the rich man and Lazarus were interred but there destinations were different.

Eccl. 9:10 does not say "where your flesh is being interred". It says "whither thou goest". Man is going to the grave!

Also, does the Bible indicate any "change of destination" in death? Man and animal go to the same place at death.

goodnews201668:
Again does it mean that a rich must wait for a Carmel to pass through the needle's eye before he can attain the kingdom?

Ask am o

Scholar8200:
Jesus already clarified what happens at death in the story of Lazarus. Matt 22:32 reinforces this.

The Bible tells us where man (both righteous and wicked) goes at death. See Eccl. 9:10.

Is Abraham's bosom the grave?

Scholar8200:
Jesus already clarified what happens at death in the story of Lazarus. Matt 22:32 reinforces this.

If Jesus was talking about the fate of man at death in the story of Lazarus, does it mean righteous people are taken to Abraham's bosom at death?

Scholar8200:
Jesus already clarified what happens at death in the story of Lazarus. Matt 22:32 reinforces this.

If Jesus was talking about the fate of man at death in the story of Lazarus, does it mean righteous people are taken to Abraham's bosom at death?

Scholar8200:
Good question!
Satan would not be devoured but taken and cast into the Lake of fire:

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:10

Notice the last sentence, the beast and false prophet would still be there after 1000 years! That establishes the fact that annihilation is a fallacy and Eternal lake of fire is literal else why have they not been consumed after 1000 years?

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of GOD abideth on him" Jn.3:36

If you claim the wicked will be alive forever burning somewhere, how come the Bible says the wicked will not see life?

Scholar8200:
Good question!
Satan would not be devoured but taken and cast into the Lake of fire:

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:10

Notice the last sentence, the beast and false prophet would still be there after 1000 years! That establishes the fact that annihilation is a fallacy and Eternal lake of fire is literal else why have they not been consumed after 1000 years?

Psalm 37:9,10 talks about the obliteration of the wicked. How is it you say annihilation is a fallacy?

Scholar8200:
Jesus already clarified what happens at death in the story of Lazarus. Matt 22:32 reinforces this.

Where is Abraham supposedly living now?

Scholar8200:
The scene of Malachi is on earth and is further explained in Revelations 20.

You have not answered my question: what scene is Malachi 4:1,3 talking about, if it is not the judgment day?

Scholar8200:
Good question!
Satan would not be devoured but taken and cast into the Lake of fire:

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:10

Notice the last sentence, the beast and false prophet would still be there after 1000 years! That establishes the fact that annihilation is a fallacy and Eternal lake of fire is literal else why have they not been consumed after 1000 years?

The bolded part: really?

See Psalm 37:9,10. The wicked will be NO MORE! They will CEASE TO EXIST! Please, is this not the definition of annihilation?

Scholar8200:
Good question!
Satan would not be devoured but taken and cast into the Lake of fire:

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:10

Notice the last sentence, the beast and false prophet would still be there after 1000 years! That establishes the fact that annihilation is a fallacy and Eternal lake of fire is literal else why have they not been consumed after 1000 years?

See Rev. 20:8,9. Satan mobilizes them against GOD. Fire descends and devours them. After devouring, is there anything remaining?

Also, Ezekiel 28:13-18 talks about Satan being burnt to ashes.

What are you saying?

Scholar8200:
Does that passage relate to the final judgement? NO.

Jesus said as much-they are living-, there I stand.

If Malachi 4:1,3 is not talking about the final judgment, what then is it talking about?

Also, have you no idea where Abraham is supposedly living now eh?

Scholar8200:
The rich man died and was buried and IN HELL he lifted up his eyes.

The armies were consumed and devoured by fire and in hell they were till Revelations 20:13

The bolded part: what?! Is that what the Bible said?

The Bible said that the fire devoured them. No part of them were remaining. DEVOURED!

Scholar8200:
You are missing it! We talk of parallel passage that concern the topic at hand - final judgement of man when time is over.

This passage speaks:
I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
Matt 22:32
Though physically dead, Jesus affirmed that those men were living!

GOD said Jerusalem would burn with a fire that cannot be quenched. Is Jerusalem still burning?

The bolded part: where are they living now?

Scholar8200:
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

There you would find your answer.

What question does that answer? Malachi 4:1,3 depicts what will happen at the last day. The wicked will be burnt to ashes. It does not say their flesh will be burnt, and souls spared. Where is that teaching from?

What about Satan who does not have flesh? What about him will be burnt to ashes on that terrible day?

Scholar8200:
The fire devours the flesh but the souls head hellwards, they will be among these:

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Revelations 20:13

So you mean there are "living souls" now which are trapped in the sea, and which the sea will give up at the end?

Scholar8200:
The fire devours the flesh but the souls head hellwards, they will be among these:

Is that what the Bible says? That the fire will devour only their flesh? What about Satan that does not have flesh?

Scholar8200:
So Malachi 4 is a scene on earth, not referring to the Lake of fire.

Where is this lake of fire?