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Christianity Etc › Re: Is this Proof That Jesus Lied In The Bible? by DoctorAlien(m): 9:33pm On Apr 14, 2017
"Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret." Jn. 7:8-10

He probably didn't see the bolded word because he is a freethinker.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is this Proof That Jesus Lied In The Bible? by DoctorAlien(m): 9:29pm On Apr 14, 2017
southniyikaye:
tou don't get it right? U lack comprehension. You put that nonsense here just to spite we Christian but you lack common sense to do it. Go back to that passage and read again,if you still fail to understand then definitely you are brainless

Next time when you want to prove a point,you should bring out cogent facts.
No bible verse,no chapter you just copied what you don't understand and paste it here.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 9:11pm On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade:
Abraham, Jacob, Moses(before d law ), Joseph all lived without d law. Give me a name from d era of law
Does it mean that they were not among the "all" which the Bible said have sinned? Remember that where there is no law, there is no transgression(Rom. 4:15).

And if they were under the "all", which law did they transgress, bearing in mind that sin is the transgression of the law(1 Jn. 3:4)?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 9:07pm On Apr 14, 2017
Protestants do not realize that by observing Sunday, they accept the authority of the spokesperson of the Church, the Pope” (Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950).

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [Saturday Sabbath to Sunday] was her act... And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons).

“Sunday is our mark of authority… the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1, 1923).
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 9:02pm On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade:
Hahaha bro first was dat d only line u could respond to?
Second go to dat scripture names were mentioned, i need a name from d era of Moses and Joshua. Even Moses name was not mentioned.
Can't you see Abraham there? You're funny.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 9:01pm On Apr 14, 2017
Louis Gaston Segur,Plain Talk about the Protestantism of To-Day (London: Thomas Richardson and Son, 1874): 213:
Thus the observance of Sunday by the
Protestants is a homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 8:57pm On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade:
Did u say d law of moses?
So moses formulated d. Laws. Abi?
Was d law given to d circumcised or. Uncircumcised?
U boldly come to d public to distinguish between God's law and d law of moses. Sorry for u.

Wat is d first requirement dat a jew must fulfill during d days of Moses.? And u have not yet told me why Jesus profaned d sabath more dan three times and why it was wrong to have him crucified since dat was wat d law demanded?
In d old testament were d jews required to have any kind of faith?
They were justified by d law but we are justified by faith.
You don't read your Bible. Read Hebrews 11. The just, from Adam until now, lives by faith.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 8:54pm On Apr 14, 2017
Cardinal James Gibbons,The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:
But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single lineauthorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:
If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church.
cc: zionmade
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 8:32pm On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade:
Lol u re just running up and down aimlessly.
Jesus said if u love me keep my commandments. And d only commandment Jesus gave was to Love God with all ur heart and to love ur neighbor as urself.
So is ther any other commandment Jesus gave dat i dnt know of?
D way i see it u cant even distinguish between d law and commandment. So wat did Paul exactly mean by saying dat we are loosed from d bounds of d law by virtue of our death in Christ? Roman 7:1-5
Do u want to tell me dat God has only 10 commandments?
Then why is a Christian free to be uncircumcised?
because Circumcision is a foundation to fulfill other laws?
I have proven to you that GOD calls the 10 Commandments His own Law, while He referred to the ceremonial laws as the Law of Moses(2 Kings 21:8 ).

How do you love GOD? Exod. 20:6 and 1 Jn. 5:3 give a clue.

It is not true that you must be circumcised before you keep the 10 Commandments. Where does the Bible teach that?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 7:16pm On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade:
Why?
because they were in their territory. Are we in Israel?
Bro come on u can do better tell me why i shud keep d law as a gentile. But i can forget about Circumcision even though i am a seed of Abraham.
Because sin is the transgression of the Law. You sin if you willfully break GOD's Law(1 Jn. 3:4). Also, you don't love GOD if you don't keep His commandments(1 Jn. 5:3; 3:24; 2:3). Keeping GOD's commandments is the duty of man, not the Jews alone(Eccl. 12:13).
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 6:44pm On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade:
Hahahahahah so d law was also for gentiles abi?

Bros Circumcision was not only for d Jews.
It was for every offspring of Abraham, both d edomites, moabites who were not Jews were circumcised
Read Exod. 20:10 and Eccl. 12:13 to see that the law was to be kept by the gentiles too.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 6:24pm On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade:
So u even know ur way to Romans 7 and u think i dnt know d bible dat u wud just pop up 7:12 forgetting dat i also know wat Romans 7:1-5 was talking about. Let me allow u do the teaching wat exactly did Paul mean there by his illustration?

Quoting 1 corr 7:19 even makes me think u are very confused. Now Is circumsion not included in God's commandments? Or were u taught dat God gave only 10commandments? How come we can do away with d 3rd most important law? Do u know dat before u are qualified to obey d ten commanents during d Moses day dat U MUST BE CIRCUMCISED? So u want to pop up here and tell me circumsion is not God's commandment too?

I told u to quote only Paul and i made it clear
Calm down. "Circumcision" is a symbol for the Jews, while "uncircumcision" is a symbol for the Gentiles.

Now apply this understanding to 1 Cor. 7:19
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 6:16pm On Apr 14, 2017
Deut. 4:36; 5:22, "Out of heaven he made thee to hear his voice, that he might instruct thee: ...These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me."

It's important to notice that after God wrote the Ten Commandments, he "added no more" to this Law, yet God gave Moses statutes, precepts, judgments, and ordinances afterwards. If the Mosaic law was part of the Ten Commandments, there would be a contradiction here, because God did add more to this law! But there was no contradiction, because God considered the Ten Commandments to be a separate Law. The Ten Commandments were spoken by God himself to the people, so that God would instruct them. There was no mediator involved! Moses was not the mediator of the Ten Commandments. But he was the mediator of the sacrificial laws(Exod. 33:9; 2 Chron. 34:14).

cc: zionmade.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 6:09pm On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade,

A clear distinction is made between the 10 Commandments and the ceremonial law.

"And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God" (Exodus 31:18).

"And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables" (Exodus 32:16).

The 10 Commandments were written by GOD Himself on tablets of stones(signifying durability), and they were put INSIDE the Ark.

Now, read Deuteronomy 31:24-26 to see that:

1. Moses was the one who wrote the ceremonial laws in a book, whereas GOD Himself wrote the 10 Commandments on stones.

2. The book of the law written by Moses was put BESIDE the Ark, whereas the stones were inside the Ark.

3. The law which Moses wrote was a witness against Israel. This was never said about the 10 Commandments.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 6:01pm On Apr 14, 2017
"For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." James 2:11.

I believe the Person also said "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy..."
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 5:59pm On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade:
After d death of Jesus how many times was sabath mentioned?
Wat do u understand by sacred?
Do u know d law was not meant for a gentile?
Do u know dat uncircumcision is not a sin?
Do u know dat d bible say dat d law could not justify us?
Do u know we are only justified by faith?
Wat happened wen Paul said That d law was unto death?
Do u know dat John still ministered to d Jews throughout his ministry?
Dat is why he quoted dat scripture
I need u to make reference to paul because dat was d person who had d ministry to d gentiles
Listen to Paul:

"Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good." Rom. 7:12

"Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God." 1 Cor. 7:19

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 4:03pm On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade:
I dnt want to start going deep into d person of John and Paul because they were different. Paul defined sin as anything not done by faith. Ok lets talk about d law.
Start by listing d laws of moses dat Jesus abolished according to d bible before i start Quoting laws from exodus to deutronomy. Or u think d 10commandment is d only law abi.
D law said thou shall not kill period (no condition attached ) .
But God instructed d wiping off of d amalekites why?
So answer my 2 questions so dat i can go to where i packed d law and start bringing them out.

I live by grace and i am justified by grace and not by d law
You never answered my questions. Instead, you're trying, by your answer, to imply that GOD is inconsistent. GOD could have rained down fire and brimstone upon Amalek, but He chose to eliminate them through human agency. Thus, it was GOD executing Judgment on Amalek, not Israel killing them. The 10 Commandments are different from the ritual laws.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(op): 3:57pm On Apr 14, 2017
CatfishBilly:
Yes, I am grin grin grin
No matter how much you want to wish it away, radiometric dating is not an assumption.
It is reproducible. I know it shatters your views about so many things, you just have to bear it.
Repeating it to yourself countless times won't make it true either.
Chai, no wonder. Only akintom's level of reasoning can be this ridiculous.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(op): 3:50pm On Apr 14, 2017
CatfishBilly:
Give example of one lie that won a Nobel prize.
Wait, are you akintom?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(op): 3:41pm On Apr 14, 2017
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CatfishBilly:
Radiometric dating based on assumption?
Something that won a Nobel prize is based on assumption?
Why are you Christians like this naa, haba
The lies are just getting too much.
[/s]

Lies can win Nobel prizes too. Go and read the silly assumptions upon which radiometric dating is based.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 3:39pm On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade:
No1
I DNT TRY TO OBEY GOD.
2.Jesus harvested ears of corn on the sabath day d same with his disciples. Jesus didnt rest on the sabath day, he did his major job of healing on dat day. The only times the sabath was mentioned in the new testament was only to show why Jesus was in d Synagogue
The commandment was a school master to lead the Israeltes into canaan and it was not meant for me. The only commandment i was given was to Serve God with all my heart and den love
Rom. 3:23 says that all have sinned. 1 Jn. 3:4 says that sin is the transgression of the Law. Now if those who are not Israelites have sinned too, which law did they transgress? What about those who lived before Sinai? If they have sinned too, which law did they transgress? Bear in mind that there is no sin where there is no law(Rom. 4:15), and that sin is the transgression of the law.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 3:25pm On Apr 14, 2017
Papist:
You are completely ignorant. The Catholic sabbath is Saturday not Sunday. Sunday is the Day of the Lord. But of course you don't know the difference.
Sunday is not the day of the Lord. Certainly, the Lord never claimed Sunday as His day anywhere in the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation.

Check Isa. 58:13 to see the day He claims as His, and which we can Biblically call "the Lord's day".
Christianity Etc › Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(op): 3:06pm On Apr 14, 2017
4kings:
Chronological relative dating.
And also scientific method in some cases.

what's your point?
Are Biblical histories dated differently from any other?
Both relative dating as well as radiometric dating are based on assumptions. Therefore, their conclusions cannot be trusted.

My point is, those civilizations never existed which were said to be around the time of the flood, or even before Adam.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Best Argument For The Existence Of GOD by DoctorAlien(op): 1:36pm On Apr 14, 2017
4kings:
Antiques and civilization history.
How were the antiques dated? Who wrote the civilization history? Were they eyewitnesses? Was any of the people who wrote the history there when those civilizations existed?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 11:28am On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade:
Yeah Christianity is freestyle. because grace makes it to be so. So u think ur doings and undoings makes u deserve d love of God?
In all the activities of Jesus does it look like he regarded the sabath? Apart from d fact dat he will to synagogue dat day.
So its d sabath day u want to keep abi, how many other old testament laws given on dat same time do u obey.
All these holder dan thou believers i call u guys hypocrites
No, I obey GOD because I love Him and because He saved me(Jn. 14:15).

Jesus surely regarded the Sabbath day highly(Matt. 5:17-19), and as a follower of Christ one has no reason to do otherwise.

Yes, I strive to obey the 10 Commandments, as Eccl. 12:13 and 1 Cor. 7:19, among many other passages, instruct us.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 10:49am On Apr 14, 2017
zionmade:
Does it really matter d particular day to go to Church and rest from work or not. Sabath no longer exists in d dictionary of Christians
There is no more a holy day apart from anyday we choose to sanctify. I can choose to sanctify anyday and call it a day for and my God. Even Jesus constantly derided d Sabath day and yet churches like seventh adventist cannot grow up to stop preaching sabath upandan?

I dnt care if d initial choice was a day to suite d worship of sun God or not. All days were made by God and there is no day we choose to honor God dat he wont accept the honor
Do you think Christianity is freestyle? What makes you think that GOD would accept your own choices over His in worshiping Him? Who told Christians to disregard the Sabbath? If it is not GOD,

"Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?" Lam. 3:37
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 11:24pm On Apr 13, 2017
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 11:23pm On Apr 13, 2017
Are we willing to face the consequences of this kind of exhaustive study? Here is where our prejudice will be tested! Can we open our minds completely to whatever this objective search reveals? These are not trick questions. Personally, I do not care which day is found to be the Sabbath. If the Bible teaches it, I will gladly keep Monday, Thursday, Friday, or Sunday. Long ago, I decided to be a Christian and to follow the Word of God wherever it would lead, regardless of my feelings. It makes no difference to me which day I keep holy, as long as it is the one commanded in the Bible! I hope you feel the same way. I therefore urge you to follow the link in the next post to examine of every single reference in the New Testament that mentions the first day of the week.
Christianity Etc › Is Sunday Really Sacred? by DoctorAlien(op): 11:19pm On Apr 13, 2017
The most honest way I know to approach this subject is to take a look at absolutely everything that the Bible says about the first day of the week. There are only eight texts in the New Testament that refer to Sunday, and by carefully studying these verses we can be certain that all the evidence for consideration is before us. If there is any biblical authority for keeping the first day of the week, it will have to be found in one of these verses.
Christianity Etc › Re: The J In Jesus by DoctorAlien(m): 7:34pm On Apr 12, 2017
joseph1832:
I'm sure you know many church goers will not make Heaven, seeing that their action(s) goes against His will.
Fixed.
Christianity Etc › Re: Arguments Against Intelligent Design by DoctorAlien(m): 7:01pm On Apr 12, 2017
CatfishBilly:
And the design flaws found in animals plus their cancers is because they also sinned against God abi?
The whole of creation groans under the curse of sin(see Romans 8:22). To Adam was committed the earth and all that it contains, and so his choices affected the earth with all contained in it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Arguments Against Intelligent Design by DoctorAlien(m): 5:53pm On Apr 12, 2017
CatfishBilly:
You got this how?
Through hours of pain staking research and analyzing the genome of Adam and Eve before they ate the forbidden fruit?
I knew it when I realized that the Bible was always true.

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