Rastafryrice:


you've been browsing nairaland for years but na today u open account

Na thunder go fire you

Resist the urge to curse for Heaven's sake. Show some civility

limorider:

Where are you from

I'm a Nigerian. Based in Lagos but traveled wide across the nation well enough to know its diversified beauty

You'll love Nigeria. I have a lot to share with you on this.


First, your coming here will be more enjoyable if you have a reliable team/buddies and all to receive you. You discount the fun of visiting by 80% if you don't have such a team

Why?

skywalker240:

I agree with everything you said

When we were younger my brother 30 years plus back, when people speak intellectually, people around listen. They gain from the knowledge and become more knowledgeable.

This was the spirit many like the kinds of Tai Solarin instilieed in their mentees.

Many of us never spoke publicly or commented up till after 24-25 years but we listened to people who we came across as life destined to learn more from them


These days, the reverse is the case. Open communication has damaged order. People see people who are vessels of deep, expensive and hidden wisdom and to banter them is the automatic decision they take. Forfeiting gaining more insights at the expense of what?


Its why I hate, rather many of us hate to comment on forums and all sorts. People will just banter and argue rather than seek to gain knowledge


What a generation !

Brb

Okhuadams:
You that is Wise congratulations. but ur wiseness is like that of a man who claim to be wise but was caught naked in the backyard of a foolish man

Trust me. There aren't up to 1000 persons on the intellectual level I speak from in the entire country

Not your mate

grandstar:


That is the blunt truth. Chinese excess capacity is more than the entire annual production of the second-largest steel producer, the United States.

There lies the Chinese motives and why we must have steel industries.

Hope you know cheap steel is the key to massive housing/skyscraper systems?

Okhuadams:
They always see, talk and look out for negative things to speak about nothing is ever done right in their eyes. They claim to know everything but they know nothing if they are there they do more worst things. All the never see good on NAIRALAND I greet una

Indeed. Why has it not worked since two decades. My assumed negative views? Why then did I end it I hope dangote sees it and tap the opportunity


You fulls will lose wisdom just to banter


Get lost joor. Who's on your level

RiceProducers:


You are completely ignorant.
There are too many non technical people posting stuff

The UK company is probably mainly going to be Indians. They will commission and probably operate the blast furnaces, billet makers and ancilliaries. Most of the specialized machines and spares that at have no western equivalences would be retrofitted or still come from Rüssia through India.

There are astute ways to beat sanctions and there are throwimg your hands in the air.

Let's bet na. I bring 10M, you bring 1M, if the Brits can get it to work three months after the time frame given, you can have my 10M. If I win, I'll use your 1M for give away. We can meet with lawyers. Any state in the country



My Inteand source is one billion percent sure. I can bet my money on it

Techguy96:

You know what you wrote is rubbish sha, only layman in the believe you.

There's nothing special about this steel plant that Britain cannot complete.
Even china will complete it.

Schematic diagram can easily be interpreted, technology are similar with little variation across countries.

For example, in Britain 240 volt is the accepted voltage but in the US, 120 volt is.

It doesn't mean an electrician in Britain cannot work in US.

Even a good engineering company in Nigeria should be able to complete that plant if Nigeria was a serious country.

I know you guys exist for banter and would reduce anyone and anything to empty banters.


One quick question, why has all turn around maintenance operations since two decades not get the complex operational even for an hour. Answer the question

Gospel2Day:


Sorry, I understand your point now about they rigging it to be repaired only by their spare parts.
Most companies do that too, for aftersale relevance and market dominance.
Thanks for the explanation.
Shalom.

I'm exhausted. Off to bed. Ciao

Gospel2Day:


It is the corruption in the system.
We like repairing and revamping what should be scrapped and a new one built from the scratch.
I understand and agree with your point that the complex was built by Russians and it will be difficult for other nationals to decipher its intricacies and complexities.
But if the will power is there, a brand new complex can be started and completed in four years.
You were right. Just that you exaggerated in your claim that ONLY RUSSIA has the technology.
Shalom.

Don't add emotions. I never said only Russia has the tech o Jesus. I said they rigged it so only parts from their country can get it to work


And yes, the only solution is to build from scratch. $20 - 40 B and a brand new one can be achieved

Igbofam:


Since you have no first hand info regarding why past administrations failed why speculate and assume?

Surely past administrations must have done a cost assessment and thought against going all out to get it up and running.

At some point we needed to get it right and perhaps this is that time

Oh. Another Political thug. Good night

edward1106:


I don't know if you have worked in a refinery before. But if you haven't and you compare and contrast machineries, let's say Dangote Sugar and BUA/Flour Mill, u will immediately change this your perception.
You have mentioned reasons as to why things are being impeded in a country as ours. But as to whether the Englishman or Indians can't, that's a fallacy. Where one machinery(Old RUSSIAN) is doing a single function, a new machinery(Indian or English) might incorporate two to three functions and so, there are some parts in the refinery that might have to be removed(obsolete).
The thing is, there should be truth, openness in what government is doing. The bad players in the game are the ones dictating the result.

My dear. I received the direct report on the steel plant years ago. So I say what I'm saying with full confidence. You can place a bet 5 M we set date keep the money with someone if the Britain's can fix it even in three years

NairaMaster1:


What's this one saying?

I know reading definicency is what majority in a failed academic system would suffer from. Get lost

grandstar:


Frankly speaking, the country is throwing money down a black hole.

With a glut of Chinese steel, Nigeria would be better off importing steel. It is not compulsory that the country produces steel. This is the 21st century. Steel production can even be classified as a low-tech industry. Cars are even mid-tech when you think of nanotechnology and superconductors.

We need stell industries sir. Why?


Job creation

Society retains the skill

Heavy job creation


One steel industry can employ 300,000 persons. We need it, inspite of cheap Chinese steel


Just like how dangote refinery triggers fertilizer production and pharmaceuticals, a functional steel industry will trigger non metals and chemicals industry which we need

grandstar:


China and overproduction! So, even with Russian and Ukrainian steel out of the market, there's still a glut because of China! Can Ajaokuta steel compete with Chinese prices?

The Chinese production capacity is mad.

duality:



How much information do you have about ASCO.

On this thread, I can easily know who knows whats you. Besides, the issue will ASCO in beyond the contractor or technology. If not the indians wouldn't have left.

Its the tradition on the forum for people who know lesser to argue and argue just to trigger an arguement. Ignore them, let them retain their ignorance and remain on that level Sir.


Don't stress yourself.

Gospel2Day:


You're spot on until you said NO OTHER NATION ON EARTH CAN DO AJAOKUTA STEEL COMPLEX LIKE RUSSIA.
That's a big fat lie.
The technology can't be the intellectual property of only Russia.
The British firm will only change some core components and replace them with theirs,twick whatever needs to be done and get the complex back and running.
You can't tell me that Russia has superior steel processing technology than Germany USA, France, UK and Japan.

Answer this question. Since 2001 the same complex has undergone mtiple maintanence. Has it ever been operational for a single hour, not even day?

Smart move. Effect direct ruble conversions and solify the integrity of the ruble backing it using the value of gold. Brilliant macroeconomics. Doing this even reduces the conversion costs of the dollar making Russian gas and crude more affordable. This is masterclass


The core issue is Russia also needs many spare parts, components which are heavily dependent on importation. Its going to be a long ride but I don't see any side blinking soon.


When two power weights fight.

olas24u:
99
We still have people like you in Nigeria wow.

Yes. We're in building phase of our own industries behind the scenes. I'll be on national TV from this year though. Not to worry, I'll take the ideas on the forum to the national audience..

Igbofam:
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You actually felt you typed something smart but this is the dumbest shiiiit I have read in a while.

It's not Rocket science putting together a steel plant and to be frank the Russian parts are mostly obsolete now so a lot of new parts would be required and for most steel plants is majorly a plug and play installation.

Most parts are interchangeable so stop capping. You make it look like the Russian parts were written in special code which needs to be deciphered or something.

The FG definitely took these British on inspection and they presented their recommendations prior to being given the job or you think everything was done over zoom call?

Guy go and sit down somewhere and learn some more

Trying to banter to have some of my shine rubbed on.


My dear then why has all turn around maintenance since 2001 failed to get it operational even for a single day?

Hotice085:
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Load of Rubbish, so it is only the Russians that knows how to run a steel industrial complex.....utter rubbish

Product of failed academic system. Everything is politicized. That's why you can only curse and can't contribute anything meaningful. Slave

Faithful007:
You have no first hand Intel.

A blast furnace is no rocket science. The only reason the steel plant in Nigeria is in-operational is logistics.

The blast furnace does not even run on coal.

My dear. I won't talk much I'm busy. Win the banter. Its yours

edward1106:

Switzerland is still doing fine. Not that useless.

I know the core problem of the refinery even as at now. I didn't state in my comment for privacy concerns. As good as the Indians are in engineering, they couldn't do it.

Aderupoko2:
Another mistake. All the equipment manuals are written in Russian language. Even when we employed a Nigerian to help transcribe to English, he couldn't do 1% of the job before he ran away. How did I know, I worked there before.

Thanks for this info o. Some people are countering me unnecessarily when they don't know this fact.

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.of course, your kinds can never intellectualize discussions Anuofia

Faithful007:
It was carried out by the Soviet union and not Russia.

By the way, A blast furnace steel plant is not rocket science that nobody else can fix. Not Britian of all nations.

Nope. Go do your research on coal classifications and how it was rigged to only operate with supplies from Russia. I have first hand Intel on this.

Hmm

You're deceiving yourself. How will British do turn around maintenance for installations that were installed by Russians from the onset with all units and components up till manual written in Russian language and heavily dependent and reliant on Russian engineering tech?.

Its what happens when people get overly sensational all of a sudden. Russia since USSR has been very good to Nigerians, don't lift a finger in a battle that is bigger than you.


Now to the core issue at hand. The Ajaokuta steel complex was developed by the country by the Russians from the very onset and the Russians took pre-emptive measures to ensure anything around it is done through them and them only.


Almost the entire schematics have Russian inscriptions and manuals and operators needed to be solely trained by Russians to operate them


Secondly, some of the core operational resources used in the production chain line can only be supplied by Russia. No other nation on earth has these highly specialized resources and components

Hence, nothing can be done to Ajaokuta steel complex without the Russians.


Why then has it been made useless for over two decades without use as other like steel industrial complexes.

Here lies what the whites are not telling you guys. British and Russians alike. I know these well hidden truths first hand, cause as a genius with 160+ IQ, I'm privy to highly classified information across these complex issues. Saying this humbly. Though



To make any nation great, one doesn't need politicos, lack of corruption like APC and PDP have both been throwing banters for years


To make any nation great, a nation needs key things like :

Highly operational chemical industrial completed, highly optimized metal refining and processing complex which ranks as the core bedrock of all forms of heavy productivity and industrialization.


So, here's the bane of the matter, take away any nations ability to heavily produce,refine nd process metals and such a nation becomes useless. I dare to say it anywhere



Mind you guys, between 2001 and today over $60 Billion has been spent on revamping the steel complex in batches of $2- $20 Billion for every time it hits the news that repairs are been done.


Guess what guys, it takes average of $15-20 Billion dollars to build a modern one


Same strategy to make the oil and gas industry useless is what's playing here to. The oligarchist and the deliberate desire to keep the nation under developed is the motive behind this.


Who knows if Dangote will also spot this opportunity.


Cc Sarkinyarki
Aconomist

shilenji:
I always say it,wealth and riches or financial dependence is a spirit. If it's not your time your eyes won't open to money making ventures,you go just dey see things as non profitable or spirit of Procrastination will just set in.

Breaking free from financial struggle is a struggle on its own. See this money thing,no be everybody go make am o,despite my hustle paying me very well,I still find myself doing all sorts of businesses which this palm oil thing happens to be part of. At this age,lol. Who am I to relax,when my role models( Elon musk,dangote,otedola,warren buffet,donald trump,davido,wizkid) still d

Words of a wise one. The eyes of your heart and spirit are open. You na man. No worry. We go employ them. We go run am employ them