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The guy is a devil.

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A bast**d hid my post...

Piggiiiddiiooottts have a way exonerating Fulani herdsmen attacks whenever it happens in the backyard...

Pathetic slaves!

RIP

mrvitalis:
Yea president in 2057 2023

Exactly...

mrvitalis:
Shut up. ..who was his campaign manager to become speaker was it not an Igbo man ? What's wrong with u

Do you now see why we should support a SW presidency Only a SW president will be fair to the whole country...

Looonatic atheists won't mind their business...

They just want churches to shut down completely as if that will help them have inner peace of mind...

Nonsense!

Ok

@9jarealist


I was enjoying that debate. But antispam bot keeps banning me from the thread.

I thought it was because of the links in my post until I got banned again after I posted without links.

I hope we can continue on the thread when the ban is over.

9jaRealist:
It’s NOT a lacuna...
Because in law, there’s nothing like in-between ages.

Accordingly, in the eyes of the law, you are 11 until you become 12...
Eg, if the law prevents people 17 years and less from drinking, you do not start drinking until you are 18.

Yet again, please desist with the ageofconsent.net....
There’s something called ‘parachute analysts’ and this is obviously one of those.

When we have MULTIPLE sources of VERIFIABLE public law...
You insist on overriding them with some website whose authors could be some ignoramuses stuck in a basement.
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Bro, why are our reps calling for an amendment if the bill had specifically stated 18 as the age of consent

Why are activists crying for the age of consent to be raised from 11 to 18

Are they dullards

Come on, they have studied the law and seen all the lacunae.

What is defilement according to Nigerian law

9jaRealist:
Again, you are incorrect...

11 years was NOT “stated and no less” (Section 7(2))....
Rather, Section 7(3) states 15 years, and Section 7(4) states 18 years

What the amendment seeks is merely to coalesce these 3 subsections into one...
In other words, by retaining only 18 years, it necessarily includes both 11 and 15 years.

It is to address a drafting dissonance, and not a substantive issue...
For though it’s poorly-drafted, it nonetheless CLEARLY stipulates life imprisonment for defiling anyone under 18 years!
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Those who drafted the bill knew what they were doing...

Section 7 (2) says: A person who commits an offence of defilement with a child aged eleven years or less shall upon conviction be sentenced to imprisonment for life

Section 7 (3) says: A person who commits an offence of defilement with a child between the age of twelve and fifteen years is liable upon conviction to imprisonment for life

Section 7 (4) says: A person who commits an offence of defilement with a child between the age of sixteen and eighteen years old is liable upon conviction to imprisonment for life.

If you observe clearly there is a difference between sections 7 (2) and the remaining 2 sections.

Also, nothing is said of a child between 11 and 12, and between 15 and 16 years of age... That's a lacuna

Did you also see that consent can be granted thereby making the defilement null and void

So an amendment is needed to state clearly that having sex with a girl under 18 is guilty of statutory rape whether there is consent or not.

Come on, google.com, ageofconsent.net and other activists agitating for the age of consent to be raised are no fools...

SLAP44:
Stop the perching and listen carefully.

If the south west fails to adhere to fair play and thinks they can rule twice, the rest of the south and even middle belt will have no options than to offer their protest block votes to Sanusi, Hell ruffaii or even Shekaw

Two can play the game of acting stvpid you know

Oh! I forgot to mention that Sanusi is a lot more presidential than any candidate from SW.

Shut up!

We are well aware of your plans. You will fail once again... FYI, we have NEVER banked on your support...

What can be more pathetic than giving up even before the commencement of a contest Everlasting second-fiddlers...

Shame!!

LifeMapEmpire:
I tell people "FORGIVENESS" is key in the success of any marriage... Been married for about 10years now and I can say without mincing words that "NOTHING IS A DEAL BREAKER FOR ME".


I have forgiven in advance for the things my spouse will still do!

Including cheating

Why are piggiiiddiiiooootts so hopeless

9jaRealist:
No, it doesn’t “stand” in the way you are using the term....

It only “stands” in the manner that 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, and 17 “stands” as NOT contrary to 18...
In other words, anyone UNDER 18 (including but not limited to 11) are regarded as BELOW the age of consent.
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Nope. Otherwise there would have been no need for an amendment.

Since 11 was stated and no less, then it means 11 is the least age of consent.
This is why the internet considers this as our age of consent.

9jaRealist:
According to the article that you linked...
What Rep Peller was trying to do is to coalesce all the subsections into one section.

In other words, each subsection provides for the same life sentence for different age groups...
And he was seeking to clear any perceived ambiguity by just listing the top age provided (18 years).

See this article for clarity: https://dubawa.org/nigerias-sexual-offences-bill-stipulates-18-years-not-11-years-age-consent/
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But 11 was also provided. Until, the coalescion is done, 11 stands.

If it were stated authoritatively stated as 18 there would have been no need for amendment.

Anybody can intepret the bill as they wish but those who are smart (google, ageofconsent. net. protesting activists and co) know what it really is.

And why were you quoting outdated laws Ab initio?

9jaRealist:
1) The Child Rights Act of 2003 applies automatically in the FCT (Abuja)...
2) It has been ‘domesticated’ (enacted by the State Assembly) in 25 of the 36 states thus far.
3) All of the 11 states have failed to domesticate the CRA thus far are in the North...
4) Furthermore, in a federation, states can set their own individual age of consent...
5) Accordingly, all states have stayed with 18 years, EXCEPT for Akwa Ibom (16 years).

These are the reasons I kept stressing that the offense was committed in Lagos and thus governed by Lagos’ CRL 2007.
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I was about to let you off the hook until I came across the sexual offences bill of 2015. You can google it. It caused serious furore at the time it was passed.

This is where the basis of our age of consent being 11 comes from.

It supersedes all the other laws. And that is what ageofconsent.net and others are relying and why pressure groups are calling for our age of consent to be raised.

Thankfully the reps are trying to repeal it.

https://punchng.com/reps-defines-minor-in-new-sexual-offences-bill/

For now, it is what is it. Statutory rape is rape of anybody under 11.

9jaRealist:
Check under “The Laws” subsection of that website.
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Does state law supersede federal law - the constitution

9jaRealist:
You are the person citing them...
So the question should be directed at YOU!

Not everything on the Internet is true...
But feel free to reference ANYWHERE in the Constitution that lists 11years as the age of consent.... we’ll wait!
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I didn't create those websites. Those who did studied our laws to come up with our age of consent. They stated those for other countries too.

So why should Nigeria's own be wrong

9jaRealist:
And if you want to see the entire law itself (Lagos State Child Rights Laws of 2007)...
Feel free to go the OFFICIAL website of the Lagos State GOVERNMENT’S Domestic/Sexual Violence Response Team.

https://www.dsvrtlagos.org/

No excuses for defending PAEDOPHILES left.
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Nothing concrete came up from that link.

And why is the Lagos state law not splashed over the internet

9jaRealist:
Always glad to do the heavy lifting required to educate and enlighten the masses...
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I concede! What of other states of the country

If there is a clash between federal and state laws, which prevails

9jaRealist:
They are NOT campaigning that the age of consent “be raised from 11 to 18”....
They are campaigning that the Constitution provide for a SPECIFIC age of consent (which they want to be 18).

That’s a distinction with a difference (albeit IRRELEVANT to this specific case)...
Because the Constitution cannot “raise” (or “lower”) something it did NOT specify in the first instance.

Meanwhile, please do NOT swallow everything on the Internet hook, line and sinker...
There’s a reason that NO constitutional references were cited by your age of consent.net site - NONE exists!
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Are you kidding me How can any valid constitution not specify an age of consent

So where did https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/nigeria & https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/age-of-consent-by-country/ get their information from

K

9jaRealist:
The “If-I-Cannot-Find-It-on-Google, It-Doesn’t-Exist” Defense?
Fortunately, I am kind enough to do the heavy lifting for you: https://laws.lawnigeria.com/2018/03/01/child-rights-law/
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I have visited it the link. It says absolutely nothing about the age of consent. I also tried to download the PDF but it's asking me to pay.

What a joke! I smell scam...

9jaRealist:
Even your MODIFICATION to make it seem there’s a constitutional provisions remains erroneous...
NOTHING in either link contradicts my earlier assertion that “there is NO constitutional age of consent in Nigeria”!

Section 29(4)(b) merely provides any married woman shall be deemed “of full age” (a legal lacuna, at best)...
So why the RANDOM age of 11? Why not a 3 year old baby or even a 3-day old toddler betrothed/married under native custom?

Meanwhile, the victim here was NOT married to the arrested PAEDOPHILE...
So your continued references to Section 29 of the Constitution is baffling and frankly IRRELEVANT to this case.

Please quit defending PAEDOPHILES...
If you are lucky, one day you might have an 11-year-old daughter or younger! SMH
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Are you giving up on your phantom "Child Rights Acts of 2007" already

Where did you now get the PC you are using to browse?

Come on, I didn't come up with the links. They are all over the internet. I didn't create ageofconsent.net neither am I its editor.

So why should I doubt its content

What of all the numerous pressure groups calling for the age of consent in Nigeria to be raised from 11 to 18, are they fools

I am no paedophile and I hate them. But a wayward, experienced young girl should NEVER be used to punish a mature emotionally weak man in the name of "statutory rape"...

9jaRealist:
What exactly about rather basic criminal law apparently confuses you?

There is NO need for a theoretical dissertation or multiple Google research....
When there is a SPECIFIC law providing for a SPECIFIC offense that the suspect will be charged.

When the parties are in court, NOBODY will be citing Google to the judge...
The CONTROLLING LAW in Lagos, where the actions took place, is the Child Rights Law 2007.

However, since it seems you only believe what you see on Google...
I have taken the trouble of digging up a copy of the Lagos CRL 2007 for you (see Section 27).

https://www.dsvrtlagos.org/pdfs/Child%27s%20Right%20Law%202007%20(2).pdf

Please note that it is a STRICT LIABILITY offense (ie, no legal defense)...
And even the supposed “consent” of the child is NOT a valid defense (see specially, Section 27(2)(b).
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The link you quoted landed me nowhere.

Only in your head does this "child right law 2007" exist.

I don google am taya, nothing shows up...

I went ahead to check this link - https://www.dsvrtlagos.org/Child%20Protection.html - nothing came up. Even the https://www.dsvrtlagos.org is mainly addressing domestic violence with a couple of questions and answers.

Don't fight me, fight our constitution that needs to be changed. The age of consent in Nigeria is 11. Chikena!