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A001:
All these your silly questions sha. What defines a person are things like their name, style of dressing, language, beliefs, profession. All these are aspects of culture or influenced by culture.

If Ibime decides to bear xae, that xae is from a language from another culture. Language is one of the elements of a culture.

Even if it's a nickname, it has become his culture and part of his identity.

Good! Now we're actually heading somewhere. Although coming very late.
Now let's go back to where I initially used ibime as an example, a successful man of ijaw roots living in UK, married to a Canadian wife (just assumption) giving birth to mixed kids.
Now let's assume, ibime dresses in normal jeans and polo or trouser and nice iron shirts to office, eats burger and veggies and soup of different varieties over there with bagel, cereals and whatnot, many of things not usually seen here in ijaw land for instance and has no religious inclination, is ibime doing anything wrong at all despite living a good and worthwhile life?

Boom!! And just like that, the gaslighting has started!

Notice how immediately the story broke, this same person said gazette were publishing fairytales. Now actually turns out there is substance to the story. The same story this evil hearted person wants us to throw away to the bins immediately. All for primordial sentiments oo.

A001:
Ibime is an Ijaw name. If it were the Arabs, they'd even add their native town to their name making their names usually long.

Your culture (whether the native ones or any foreign one you adopt) is what defines you. You don't have to agree, but it's just the truth.

What you want to learn online on this subject is better learnt from your people.

So what if ibime decided to just be called , xae like Elon musk's child or something a simple name like glorious?

Secondly, you are still not explaining how exactly ones culture defines the person. Like how exactly ones culture defines the person.

Here comes the gaslighter!!

The Mr "what is wrong with carrying money in bullion vans"?
I'm sure out of the love of his heart for Nigeria, he will find ways to decieve us again into questioning what we're just seeing with our own eyes.

Amigoss:

So there is actually substance to this news
Chai!!We are finished as a country.

This chief justice better thread carefully.

A001:
Direct your silly questions to your fellow Igbo brothers offline. Maybe they'll be able to cure your stupidity and teach you that culture is what makes a people who they're.

So, if you say your culture is useless, what you mean is your people are useless including you. Cultures exist because of people.

Preach all this nonsense you've been saying here to your tribesmen if they won't castigate you as a lunatic and imbe

How about you stop inferring what I mean and give me a practical example of how a culture "makes people who they are" ?

I gave an example of ibime in UK, how does him coming from ijaw "make him ibime who he is"?

A001:
Today, billions of people (Muslims) around the world are celebrating and promoting the Arabic culture and engaging in their rituals and worshipping their deity.

The Arabs vehemently promote and defend their culture anywhere in the world you find them and even kill for it.

Their cultural values have been ingrained in them and their children over the years and they know if you don't uphold your culture and practice it, you'll become enslaved to other cultures from foreign lands.

No humans can live without a culture which is software of the mind, and if you think your culture has no value (since you yourself have no value), you're in slavery to a foreign culture you see foolishly as superior.

The average Arab understands these simple things. You can't lay claim to intelligence when you say the history of your people is useless and their culture is barbaric.

You're actually very dumb when you say all the aspects of the ways of life, values, norms, customs, and beliefs of over 1.4 billion people in a region are barbaric and backward.

You're actually very silly as no culture in the world is absolutely good or absolutely evil. Every culture in the world has its good and bad sides.

Every culture not just the African cultures.

Soo much illogical inferences.

Let's take this sentence of yours for example;

and if you think your culture has no value (since you yourself have no value), you're in slavery to a foreign culture you see foolishly as superior

If I'm saying that my culture has no value therefore I have no value, how is the word "slavery and foreign" magically appearing. Have you heard me appraising the culture of others and denigrating my own to now put it like I have a preference?

Secondly, notice how you have still not given a practical example of exactly how culture is relevant to the African society?

Thirdly, speaking about Arabs, first there are rich and there are poor Arab countries and it has nothing to do with their cultural identity.
Furthermore, who are even the "Arabs"? Are they a monotonous cultural group or a variety of different groups and languages united by religion?? Who exactly are the Arabs and how widespread are they? One continent or multiple?

Eazzii:
By disbanding AU since we dont share any common purposes.

That is a political body. Has nothing to do with "shared culture and identity". I just mentioned how the only thing that should concern us is our economic and political goals.

stxrlight:
Omo.

E. B. Things.

I see you're new on this thread.

Trust me, those words are much better than the ones we've seen before.

Have you seen this one?

A001:
The Americans spend billions of dollars yearly to preserve their history and culture. The Europeans do the same thing; the Asians too; and other peoples around the world.

But this one wey don kolo is saying your culture as a people has no value and that Africa history is useless. The African cultures should be abolished.

A person with a sound mind knows no human can survive and thrive without a culture. Only a lunatic on Nairaland feels an African should abolish his culture and embrace that of his slave masters and colonial masters.

He really loves being in chains as a slave.

Your favorite word, slave has entered the chart. I was wondering when that would come up.

Notice how you've still not made any intellectual point to make your argument.
It's still insults and abuses galore from you.

Meanwhile you didn't answer my question on what you thought of the anti-gay bill in Uganda? I don't recall what your view is on it. Please remind me, as an agnostic and atheist you are?

Eazzii:
Since Africa is a product of geography and the people have no common purpose.

I'm asking what you mean by Africans "going their separate ways" when we are already spit into many different countries?

Eazzii:
Wow. So we Africans should go our own seperate ways?

Separate ways, as in?
In what terms do you speak of?

Eazzii:
Maybe you might learn from his and succeses and failure.

You can see how we're speaking in very vague and ambiguous terms, it's because we don't even know what the hell we're talking about.

You can see that we can't even define what it means to be African and he's always yapping about it.

That we can't even define the subject of this debate already tells you how useless it is..
Afro-centrism should only be used in economic terms, nothing more. That's cooperation of African countries and regions, within themselves, economically speaking or perhaps politically speaking. IE. Finding and sharing mutual interests and speaking with one voice to give ourselves a stronger voice on the global stage. Outside of this, afro-centrism is useless. By that I'm saying, things like cultural identity and whatnot. Those things have no value in our modern world.

Eazzii:
Epa donjazet2, can the words "Europe", http://"Asia" et al be said to be superficial too?

Well yes, because when we talk of Asians, we have to be more specific about who in Asia we're talking about, seeing as they have different groups. Same like Europeans, we have to know exactly who we're talking about in Europe seeing as they're soo many different types of Europeans and Asians.

A001:
Africans should develop collective amnesia and forget their history for whatever reason you said. But the Americans, the Europeans, the Asians, the Australians, and all other peoples should preserve their own history.

All these other continents spend billions of dollar annually to preserve their history and culture.

Nothing dey this one's brain. If you forget and lose your history as a people, you're dead. Imbe

But many asian and African history has already been lost and we're still living! Infact much of our history has been erased and we're still advancing, albeit slowly.

And mind you, I'm not saying we shouldn't know our history. I'm not saying that the knowledge is bad, I'm saying that it's of less relevance to our world.

Put it simply this way. If you knew what your great grandfather of your family did, how would it affect you as a person?

Sure, it's interesting to feed that curiosity of how life was long ago, but that information is of less relevance and practicality to your own life. That's what it means for history to literally be useless or of less relevance.

A001:
So dull, I don't know when Buhari became the name of a country. Buhari isn't even the permanent president of Nigeria.

Imbe. Instead of preaching his lunatic messages to his fellow Ibos in his surroundings, he dey waste time on Nairaland.

It's a lunatic I'd be educating on Nairaland.

As usual. Zero substance. Always abuses to whoever engages him.

You want to appear intellectual. But you are absolutely empty upstairs. You have nothing up there.
I have never ever seen you engage in deep arguments with anyone about anything. It's always abuses and abuses.

The funniest shit is seeing you always type "you guys are low IQ, i don't have your time".

How will you have time when you have nothing to give? Someone is literally begging you to avoid insults and make your points only to find out, YOU FVCKING HAVE NO POINTS TO MAKE!

Eazzii:
You said something about African history being useless so I'm curious as to if you think it's just African history or that of other continents/the world at large. Thank you.

When I say African history is useless, I don't use that word in the derogatory sense. I'm using it literally, as in, in the literal sense that it serves no purpose to our modern world.

And yes, that includes other continents history too.
It's why you see conservatives urging black people to move on from the terrible history of the past. Not to keep dwelling on what has happened previously.
For them to join hands and build a more peaceful coexisting society.

That's similar to what I'm saying, irrespective of what or who we were before, it makes no relevance to what our future can be as "Africans".

And I'm particularly pointing out that the word "Africa" is largely superficial because it is a simply a product of physical geography and nothing else. The people in Africa are as different as could be and have no common purpose or shared history. I don't know if you understand?

Eazzii:
Boss donjazet2, is it just African history or that of other continents as well?

.can you elucidate your question, I don't understand it.

Is what just African history?

Donjazet; Buhari is a useless person.

A001, such a stupid thing to say. Guy you are ignorant and a low IQ person, saying Buhari is useless is saying all Nigerians are useless. You are a bigger evil for having that kind of mentality.

Donjazet; okay I agree, I am stupid and ignorant for thinking that Buhari is useless, now can you educate me on how you think buhari is a useful person and his practically to my life?

A001, you are a bloody murderer for calling all nigerians useless. I dont have your time, go and meet other nigerians and see if you can tell them that buhari is useless to their faces.

Donjazet; can you at least make any point as to how buhari is useful? Just one at least.

A001, getat, I don't have your time.

Rinse and repeat.

A001:
Lols, you don't have to tell me I'm useless now. Once you said African history is useless, you've said all Africans are useless already including yourself.
That's why I said you should tell your fellow Ibo brothers that African history is useless. They'd educate you.

Even to utter all these foolish things you're saying here offline among your fellow Ibos will be difficult.
Which kind of person says the history of his people is useless and the culture of his people is barbaric if not a lunatic?

I won't be engaging you further.

Notice how in all your posts today, you are actually yet to drop a single point that can be deemed intellectual in any capacity?

Like, you keep highlighting and disagreeing with my point about the word "African" being basically useless (of no practical use) and even going further to draw negative inferences about it (African history being of no use does not equate all Africans being useless or me being being "afrophobia", whatever that means), yet you are yet to make a logical point to counter my point.

How exactly does that work?

A001:
Just say these things among your Ibo brothers. They'll educate you.

Your fellow Ibos are in a better position to educate you, not me.
I'm on Nairaland to interact with others and learn from other members, especially the highly intelligent ones.

I've said enough on this discussion.

Let me get this straight, are you saying that after the numerous abuses you have rained on me, you yourself have no idea what you're talking about??

So you're an empty chest beater? All noise and no substance??
Anyone who tries in the least beat to engage your points is met with fierce abuse and in the end you're actually a heavy John snow, you know nothing??

Then from what vantage point are you throwing abuses? What is the aim of your insults when you say, "ohh, this person is low IQ, this person is ignorant"? You that is enlightened, how come you can't make any intellectual point of note but always want to avoid debates when engaged??

So what is the point of your noise here??

You make noise about Africa Africa Africa, meanwhile when asked about it, you can't deliver anything? Even an empty barrel will not be as loud as your head when knocked. You actually have no right to insult anyone when you know nothing. Abeg shift.

You are useless!

A001:
You said the history of over 1.4 billion people is useless. And you expect to be taken seriously?

I swearoGod, you're not sounding like an educator, I'm literally asking you to indulge what you think is my foolishness, rather than rain abuses.

Explain your points better. Yes I agree, I am very stupid, I am ignorant, I am senseless.

Now can you make coherent points as to what it means to be "African"? Or how our identities affect us personally or the role in our lives?

Remember that I used Ibime as a perfect example of my point.

A successful man of Nigerian roots, immigrated to UK, married to a Canadian spouse (false I know), have children who are born in UK and have divergent origins.

Please what exactly is the practicality of ibime's "African" identity? He's most likely irreligious, he most likely doesn't give a damn about "old traditions and ancient practices" or observe any "traditional days". And these things barely have a relevance in his life,so please using Ibime as an example, can you tell me the practicality of his "roots"?

Please don't insult my naivety. yes I agree I am stupid and an idiot, now can you please educate my ignorance, thanks.

A001:
Don't waste your time. I didn't bother to read this your epistle. You're not worth my time.

An African that says "African history is useless" is too dull for me to engage.
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And just like that, the same linear responses everytime.
Once you see an opposing point, you shout about it, call it low IQ, foolish, stupid but don't end up serving an intellectual counter. How then does one learn from you?

Please I'm on my knees begging you to be a good educator because lord knows I am genuinely curious to see what exactly you see when you talk about our history, about our identity.

I'm also a philosophically inclined person, in the sense that I like to think outside the box, I like to see the world outside my own and understand the world better with its complexities. You too, clearly share aspects of that. But I see tribal identities as something inimical to the growth of the human race.

Because I like to think that the more we box ourselves into different groups, the more we see ourselves as different people with different goals, hence room for strife between us.

So once again, I ask you, what is this "afro-centrism" you speak of? How is it beneficial to us as individuals and to the society? What is its practicality to us?

A001:
The president targets a small group of people (minority) with his dangerous ideology but you target a whole continent of over a billion people.

Obviously, you're the bigger evil.

When next you're shouting tribalism on this thread, I'd remind you of your afrophobia and hatred toward anything African.

Remove the log of wood in your own eye before complaining about a speck of dust in another man's eye.

Where on earth is this coming from, ntori olohun maje?

What is this "afrophobia" you speak of?
I have told you that there is nothing like being African because Africans have no shared identity. That word African is a consequence of geography, nothing more.

Nigeria and Senegal relations is not much different than Nigerian and Chilean relations.

All countries mentioned are superficial in nature with its inhabitants having come from soo many different origins. And these things have no use in the modern world because of how small and united the world has become.

You! Yourself can decide to go live in Argentina today Jamaica tomorrow and your identity will have no impact or meaning on your life whatsoever. A Swiss man could move to Lagos today and his identity will have no meaning on his life whatsoever. What matters are what we make of our personal lives.

Let's take for example, ibime today, (I like to use him because I admire and respect him) is a man of Nigerian origins with a foreign wife(he's told me countlessly, that this isn't the case but let's just assume it is), now let's see Ibime an ijaw man but has lived the vast majority of his life in London and has kids with a foreigner of perhaps Canadian origin and has children of this union, of what impact is his African identity to him??

What use is it to his life? What practicality is it to him that he is African??

I really need you to let me see what you're seeing to see that point of view because you are soo bad at educating.

You always get triggered negatively by opposing views and fly into petty abuses rather than educating. Please explain in simple terms the practicality of being "African" or the role of this identity in our personal lives.

A001:
Not interested in this topic. My view about homosexuality still stays the same like most agnostics or atheists.

That's what I'm asking about? What is this view which stays the same?

A001:
You see why no sane person should take you seriously on this thread. African history is useless.
You're even much worse than raumdeuter you're trying to paint as evil, and you should be ashamed of yourself as an African.
I encourage you to preach this trash to your fellow Ibos if you won't be castigated.

Charity begins from home.

You said "the US is largely devoid of a historical and cultural identity". The US is a multicultural society and is arguably the most multiculturally diverse in the world.
The country encourages immigrants to uphold the cultural values of their home country while being law-abiding.
You'll be making erroneous statements all about.

You've to try harder to wipe away African history.

No reasonable person should take you seriously on this thread.

Whether as an individual or people, if you don't know your history and preserve it, you can never be great. It's not a curse, and you're as good as dead.
If you're actually smart, I won't have to explain this further.

An American places the interest of his people and region first before others; the same thing applies to the Britons, the French, the Asians, and others.
But you expect an African not to put the interest of his people and region first?

Something is seriously wrong with this your mentality.

I encourage you to preach this nonsense to your fellow Ibos if you won't be seen as an imbe.

All these your nonsensical posts will haunt you later on.

The other day you were saying Africans should abolish their cultures because they're barbaric and backward and adopt the English culture.

Are you sure everything is all right with you mentally?
You're telling people whose ancestors suffered the horrors of colonialism and slavery in the past to embrace colonialism and slavery in this day and age.
You'll be typing nonsensical posts all about driven by pure emotions without thinking about what you're saying first.

Even some uneducated people aren't this dull.

And once again, geestenjay, you allow your emotions run riot!
Once anyone decides to engage with you, as a rule the person must expect to be abused thoroughly. No wham. I'll overlook the abuse and sieve through it to find your actual points.


Okay, now let me address one major point you made, geesten, please what does it mean to be an "African"? Because to the best of my knowledge, Africa is just a continent, and the people within are sooo sooo different and diverse to be classified or grouped as one. They have soo many different cultural history and identities and barely share same histories.

So when you use the word "African", what exactly does it mean? You find that in explaining that, one has to finally drive down to our particular tribes and do you know that within our tribes, for instance, Ibo tribe, we still have even different identities? So when all is said and done, it is possible that there are more than a 100,000 different tribes, ethnicities and identities in the whole of Africa.

There is barely a word used to define what it means to be African, hence my point that "afro-centrism" is useless in the end. That's, it's just not practical.

Meanwhile, African countries became countries just the exact same way many other countries became countries. By virtue of colonial masters joining areas together for administrative rule. And many countries went on to grow into that shared identity, something we must learn to do. A country like Singapore was carved out by colonial rule, Australia, a product of colonial rule, Brazil, Argentina and the rest of South American countries, products of colonial administrative rule. Many of the Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries of South America were countries that didn't exist and have gone on to form a national identity.

From Ecuadorians to Salvadorians to Jamaicans, to Chileans, to peru and many others. These countries are all countries of migrants. 400 years ago, they didn't exist but many now have a "national identity". Which is why I believe we must learn to grow into our own "national identity". Not tribal or "African" identity.

Because one cannot qualify what exactly it means to be African, seeing as we have no shared values.

I will go into this more later.

With this, it has become apparent that these people just see the DSS as a political tool against opponents.. the way they soo nonchalantly tag the DSS to everything shows their hands.
Keyamo doesn't just see the foolishness of this.

DontBullshitMe:
You are right my brother.

What's your personal GOAT TV series?

Mine has to be game of thrones and then midnight mass. The second is just based on personal feelings.

DontBullshitMe:
The writers of Jack Ryan are just something else. They wrote an 8/10 masterpiece in season 1.

Season 2 was a devastating downgrade to 5/10 then the season 3 took it to the ground of 3/10.

Yeah. Billions was running around in circles plotwise around season 4-5 but Chuck Rhoades kept carrying the show.

Bobby Axelrod also left the show at the end of season 5 but he is back for the coming season 7 .

Where are you seeing this?
I thought billions has ended? At this point, it's gone on too long. Far too long.

The Rhoades-axelrod dynamics has been stretched far too thin.

A001, out of curiosity, I would like to know your opinion on this new Ugandan anti-gay bill.

As one unshackled by the doctrines of religion but aligned with afro-centrism, what is your view towards homosexuality (gay people) and their place in the modern world?

If you were a religious person, I can already guess your answer as it being a sin and not acceptable to "God" on earth but as someone without the burden of religious doctrines and supernatural edicts, what are your views about this?

A001:
Donjazet2, leave raumdeuter alone. You get your own for body.

This prof has a message for you on condemning the native cultures: https://www.facebook.com/reel/613037307500161?fs=e&s=cl

I keep telling you this, knowing history is important but should be left behind. It's not really key to our future.

England and France were once of the worlds worst bitter enemies even having a running active war for 100 full years known as the 100 year war. Today they are the closest allies in the world with barely any friction between the 2.

African history is good to know but barely significant in our growth forward. What we have to focus on is making economic growth as a region, growing trading partners abroad, growing different key parts of our economy, be it agriculture (self sufficiency, and export of cash crops, mining, refining and trading of natural resources like Australia, service industries, tourism, ICT, building our own tech hubs, not all these noise about who we were or are and where we come from. Those sentiments are largely useless.

US is a country made up of immigrants from all over the world and that rich range of diversity is their superpower. The US is largely devoid of a historical and cultural identity. Their story is one of just 300-400 years old and they are what they are.

I'm genuinely tired of afro-centrism in relation to our history because African societies is just too numerous and we barely have a unified history. So what is the need of being yoruba- centric, or igbo-centric, or ibibio-centric?

I see this as largely retrogressive.. our history barely had an input in our path forward because we are too many societies for us to have a coherent one. In summary, African history put quite bluntly is useless. There is no need for it in the modern world.