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BETATRON:
..nothing that is bounded by time or space can defy the laws of physics
But how would you explain dreams according to the laws of physics?

Lol, dreams?... Dogs have dreams, dolphins have dreams,its a product of a working brain...and before you talk about the one time you dreamt about something and it came to pass, think abt the thousands of times u dreamt and woke up and felt it was meaningless...

accountable:
@donnffd
Would u believe if I tell u, how ever sincerely I try? Will u not call it hallucinations?
However there is already a thread on something like that by charlyG1. It's right there on page1.
God doesn't reveal himself to the curious seeker. Jere 29: 13 "And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart"
There is no other way to find God but by sincerity and humility. Ignorance of God does not make u in any way less accountable. You need God and u can only find Him when u approach him ON HIS TERMS.

Cool but you still haven't answered the question, have u seen and if u have,please explain clearly

accountable:
I sincerely do not mean to sound abusive and if I do please pardon me. I have personally thought that atheists belong to either one of two categories regarding evidence of God's existence....1. BLIND.. those who do not see evidence, these also do not see evidence of the existence of anything spiritual. 2. FOOL. Those who deny evidence. Because only a fool denies evidence. Again no abuse intended.
The first category should be pitied because their blindness is the very first evidence of spiritual forces. Of course there are witches, it`s not just a coincidence that every dialect worldwide has a name for them. Demons are real,, same the devil. Covens are real, of course they are. They are older than the earth. But Jesus is lord.
The second should be ignored.

Please tell me, have you seen anything supernatural with your own eyes before?, I am not talking about faith, o mean things that defy physics and laws of nature? Please if u have,explain it in clear terms

yanabasee:
I'll believe anything when BigBang predicts the end of the world... Since science says they've discovered some nano seconds to the events that took place before the explosion of the particles collision that led to the world's growth and so on...

So I'm patiently waiting for science under the prediction of Bigbang theory to tell when the world will explode again and disfigure the earth to a single tiny particle again!

You have got your facts all wrong, the big bang doesn't explain the origin of the earth,it explains the origin of the universe,those are two separate things. Science does have an explanation for both the beginning of the earth and its end,it is estimated that in about 3billion years, the sun wud b a red giant star and would become so large that it would engulf mercury,Venus and earth before reducing to a white dwarf and dying off, so you see, the earth has about 2 to 3 billion years and I am guess the human species have a lot less than that given that our oceans and atmosphere would boil off into space...

The argument about whether God exists or not tires me, especially when I have to hear it from a christian ranting about faith and what have you, my personal beliefs ar as follows: I am not sure if there is a God or not, but I am sure of one thing,if there is a God,he most certainly is not the God of d bible or any of the other 3999versions of him... And as for whether God is ignoring the atheist, wwhy don't u look at it this way, the mad man who sees d dustbin as a mansion wonders y other people are ignoring it, and concludes that they are all blind...

PMIcon:
The problems of many atheists happens to be the problem of many Christians. They are bad listeners and observers.

If atheists start getting more open to information and start trying, for example, to VERIFY claims of miracles by Christians instead of being hasty to conclude "It's all gimmicks," or "It's impossible," many of them will change their minds.

Also, if Christians start listening more to WHY atheists THINK there is no God before concluding that they are all unreasonable and irresponsible people who are running away from being accountable to God, Christians will be able to help those of them that are hurting and they will grow better in their knowledge of God because they will be challenged to search for answers from God and the scriptures- things they had previously not thought about. That will draw both groups closer to God.

The scientific world is too slow in solving global problems today because for many scientists, God is out of their equation of discovery.

http://house-era.com/index.php?topic=29.msg29#msg29

OP saying if atheist listens to stories of miracles,they would be converted is anonymous to me saying if you watch a magic show in las Vegas,you would believe magic is real...a very faulty assumption

CoolUsername:
I'm with jayriginal on this one. OP is basically saying that atheists and theists should listen to each other so that the theists can win the atheists over. So while the advice is sound, the purpose comes off as condescending.

Seconded

Nigerians are thieves sha, they said contract, not salary, and the situation is impossible sef, so why bother ?

To all the homophobes in the house saying gayism is a choice, lemme ask you one question, are you choosing not to do it or does it come naturally not to do it?,when you answer that question, then you should have your answer whether gayism is either a choice or its natural....


Not a gay by the way...#proudlyStraight

Drkul:
Thanks, why don't you start with the essays then, so once you get your transcript you upload

I have drafted it out, still not comfortable with it though, its still work in progress.

huslerr:
Please I don't have a passport now. Would it affect my application in any way?

Yes, I tot it wudnt earlier, but I discovered its compulsory, so please , go get your passport, I just got mine a few days back

Drkul:
Hello people, 2 weeks to go! how is it going? Am still on the essays, wish everyone of us success.

Wish you success too, still waiting for my transcript which I was promised to get on Monday,once I get that, would do d essays and apply

I am an atheist, but it surprises me when some atheists insult God , and call him a monster or a killer or the cause of all evil on earth, it doesn't makes sense to me. It's like saying dragons ar evil,they destroyed peoples home and burnt people alive, or like saying vampires are bad,they suck innocent people blood...I feel for her because she was in a world that ddnt accept her for who she is,but she shudnt insult or blame and imaginary being for her issues, she should blame the religious people for tagging her an outcast

HCpaul:
Calm down, faith are mostly used when our aptitude fails us. It simply implies relying on someone who is smarter than you, wiser than you and more intelligent than you.

In this case,who might that be?

HCpaul:
You are wrong. 5 + 4 did not even require a high intellect and knowledge, but a comon sense can solve that.

But to still boldly say that 5 + 4=12 will require you to analyze your concepts, because God himself work with precepts.

Stop confusing faith with knowledge.

Thank God, you used the phrase Common Sense, now if you can use common sense for that, why cant you use common sense for the ideas of a spirit being in the sky who is like a man and breathes air in space, or a talking snake, or the sun standing still, or the virgin birth, or someone walking on water...these are things that defy logic and all that we know and funny enough, no direct evidence of these things happen, just some guy who wrote some stuffs in a parchment some 2000years ago. So i am suppose to believe all these on faith but i am not allowed to believe 5 + 4 = 12 on faith?

who is deceiving who

johnydon22:
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This i totally agree with, Humans judge intelligence from their own perspective of what they feel intelligence should be.

This i asserted on a thread in the science section on the outstanding abilities hoarded by numerous animals that is only a subject of our own fantasies and imaginations.

In our own greed, selfishness and unwarranted arrogance we have prized our self higher and more deserving than every other life forms on earth.

Why should intelligence be limited to what we say it is; this is ego speaking here.

we judge a Chimp based on our own idea of what intellect should be, why not let a chimp put us through similar test based on it's own idea of intellect we might probably fail most of it.

Termites built cities long before homo sapiens became social beings affirming that these tiny unimportant life forms we probably may look down on have established societal norm and mutual pleasing interactions long before we dreamt of it, but yaaaaay we think ourselves progenitors of morality and some even think deities gave it sorely to humans. . .

Humans are very feeble and arrogant beings because they are blind to what those they deem below them can teach them, we are blind to what we may not know because we think we are more knowing than these other life forms we share this planet with.

The dogs out there and horses are not performing rituals to please the creator of the universe, but No we think in our stupendous ego and arrogance that somehow everything was created for us including other neighbours we share this planet with.

In this delusion and moron_ic arrogance we have prized ourselves worth getting another life, we have placed ourselves on a level that we deserve infinite life of eternal bliss but No other life forms don't deserve that, No they don't because they are not humans.

how could they when they are practically worthless and made for our dominion to with what ever we please.

This grand delusion have been etched sadly into the fabrics of human thinking and have blurred our perception of what is
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I agree with you totally, but i would still give humans the credit, why?, because as you may know, we have the highest Encephalization quotient among all the species that have ever walked this planet so far as we can tell,(Encephalization quotient is the ratio of Brain size to Body mass), and that has helped us in our evolution because we now structure our environs to fit us thereby reducing the pressure of natural selection, but we are nevertheless arrogant about it, like a spoilt child whose father is very rich and believes he/she owns the world. As for an imaginary creator, i still hold the stance that is an effect of the evolution of some african apes with a thinking brain that evolved in hostility and struggle.

Tufanja:
2) Related to the original topic of the OP. It is in a woman's womb that life grows... probably that place offers the best conditions for human cells to grow and to become a person...for that fact alone, the question why female atheists seems to be scarce is relevant. Those who carry life might have some more clues about the nature of life, also in a spiritual way. Isn't it weird that we don't study this breeding ground of human life more profoundly, not only in biological sense but also in the other -in all its- dimensions of being? Every time I see a man being born out of a woman, I realize that a man can only really find the answers about life through a woman. Just my modest opinion.

Personally, I believe spirituality and fate are a product of our intelligence and curious mind, its our way of trying to make sense of what we cant understand. It doesn't necessarily mean its real, a chimpanzee is not spiritual neither does a dolphin which is the highest intelligent animal on earth second only to humans, believes in fate , its just a human brain thing.

HCpaul:
Point of correction, you only used the word faith only if you belief in God. Faith is for God and evidence is for athiest. But we christian have evidence because we have faith. Faith is the creator of evidence. Stop worshiping the creature, give proper reverence to God.

I guess if I have the faith that 5 + 4 is equals 12, then I have evidence that 5 + 4 is equal 12... Wow so insightful, so all yea fellow nairalanders, I have evidence dat 5+4 is equal 12 because I have faith ,no questions please,just believe it

elijah2u:
Op you may claim atheism but remember your life was built on the foundation of your previous religion which still have impact in running your life.

You are very correct, Christianity did impact me alot,II dare not deny the fact, but that doesn't mean it is true or any religion for that matter, being a Christian doesn't necessarily mean you are a good person, and being an atheist doesn't mean you are a bad person without morals, its just personality, after all Hitler was a Christian and Gandhi was a Hindu

Tufanja:
Back to the OP's topic. I think the reason why atheist ladies don't show their real face here has a lot to do with the tone of the debate, the style, attitude and personality of the debaters. Unfortunately enough for us ladies, a lot of male atheists have something in common (that has nothing to do with atheism) that makes them not attractive at all to exchange ideas with. It's a bad advertisement for atheism. This also counts for some believers on this forum by the way.

I would love to know this common theme, lol, but I believe coming out is a matter of choice and the calibre of personalities around you, some atheists never speak of their atheisim while others are very vocal, I personally haven't told anyone close to me.

[quote author=alves4 post=39170402][/quote]You da real MVP

seemples:
Oga you wan date one?

johnydon22 is...never mind the moniker

Hahahaha, I would date if you give me o

HCpaul:
Another interesting point is that the fact that you've never seen God does not mean that he doesn't exist.
Ok fine. Show me an evidence that God doesn't exist? Because you've never seen him? No, that is a wrong declination.

Scientist have not discovered everything in the universe. Not even the planets. As a result of that, i can't pre-assume that life doesn't exist in another galaxy. How can earth alone be the only priviledged planets that best satisfy living? And you still claim that he doesn't exist.


Ok. I have never see you, so you don't exist.

Can you see? Seeing is not believing. I can't see you but i can see the text of your hand. You can't see God but can't you see the works of his hand.

I have every opportunity to become an athiest because am also an inventor, and a technology artifacts, but i just consider my creativity as the best expression of Gods creative power.

Don't worry, you will soon be saved.

Why i dont like arguing with religious people is that they base their proof on the bible and faith, and trust me, thats not a good basis for evidence.
Lets break it down, you believe everything in the bible, and you believe that your God is the one true God, if thats the case, why are there many more religions out there that claims to be serving the true God but you disapprove off, why is a personal God just that, personal.
Well if you check your history well, your so-called beloved bible was only a bible because the roman emperor Constantine converted into a christian and decided to make it an organized religion, he debated with some elders on the books to be added and not added...hmmmm, your holy book inspired by God was made whole by a Roman Emperor Pagan turned christian.
Aside from that, you seem to be in love with the notion that something must have created something, well that does not seem to be the case, if you know well about quantum mechanics, then you would know that particles pop into and out of existence randomly, this is not a lie, its been proven and recently the Large hadron collider discovered the presence of the higgs particle that is very much responsible for mass, and so if all this comes into play, then you have your nature created by mere chance, as hard as it may sound but very true.
The universe was created some 13.72 billion years ago but your bible calculation is about 6000, the earth was born from the accumulation of star-dust clouds that were produced by the explosion of high-mass stars that died and scattered their contents across the cosmos, elements like nitrogen, carbon, oxygen, these elements are the building blocks of life.
Life formed from a process we dont fully understand(i am sure you would go, hey, God did it, but so did galileo when he discovered the dancing of the planets around the sun and called it the work of zeus, and isaac newton after explaining how gravity works failed to recognize the undelying mechanism behind it, he said God did it, well we now know galileo was talking about gravity and newton was talking about the curvature of space and time) but when we do, it would be most inspiring and from there life just evolved to the complexity that we see before us today, Yes all of this was a mere chance.
Well, i most certainly wont change your mind about your religion, thats not my aim, i just wanted to educate you a little bit but before i close my curtain, i want to give you some statistics, i am sure that you know that the sun is a star(a medium sized star, if you dont know, please you need some serious tutoring) and its just one of 100 billion stars in our galaxy, now using the sun's number of planets, we can say on an average that a star should have about Five(5) planets(Now these are just estimates), Given those figures, we have about 500 to 1000 billion planets in our galaxy(which is called the milky way galaxy), now imagine that we have discovered not just millions but billions of galaxies each with nothing less of a 100 billion stars in them and most-likely with trillions and trillions of planets. Just the fact that the universe was created for a tiny intelligent set of primates on a small habitable planet in a remote region of the milky way galaxy in a small group of cluster galaxies in a remote part of the universe is a very very very laughable idea, trust me and if you think atheist dont have morals or dont believe in anything, i assure you that you are most wrong, because that singular fact that we came out of chance to experience this disaster turned beautiful, is more than just humbly, its most magical.

I have never met a female Nigerian atheist online or offline, which got me thinking whether they are scared of coming out or what, or are nigerian ladies not logical thinkers?,it could also be that I am just unlucky... I am an agnostic by the way

I have never met a female Nigerian atheist online or offline, which got me thinking whether they are scared of coming out or what, it could also be that I am just unlucky...

simplisity:
U have not actualy answered my question. I asked u, who made d truth d scientist r working on or raw which they made most of their discoveries? If scientist can work on d truth, that d earth revolves around d sun. Who made d earth to be revolvin around d sun? They dont jst made their discoveries on a hollow, they made most of their discoveries on already an existing truth. D gravitational force, the law of relativity, etc. Solomon d wisest man ever said that, nothing is new under d sun. Aeroplane was made based on d study and experiment how d birds fly, the same with other moving machines r built based on thorough study of movement of one animal and d onather. Even robots today r built based on d study of human anatomy. The problem they have is that, they r givin d most opportunity to know and appreciate God's handwork, but bcs of their ego and pride Satan d father of deception now toke d advantage of them thereby depriving them d wisdom and d grace to know and appreciate God, the maker of all things including science. They now take what their mind can produce as their gods. If Eintein, newton, faraday, etc had d opportunity to come back aftr death, they would tell u that, their is a supreme being called God and that they have guffed big time by not believing in Him.

Why i dont like arguing with religious people is that they base their proof on the bible and faith, and trust me, thats not a good basis for evidence.
Lets break it down, you believe everything in the bible, and you believe that your God is the one true God, if thats the case, why are there many more religions out there that claims to be serving the true God but you disapprove off, why is a personal God just that, personal.
Well if you check your history well, your so-called beloved bible was only a bible because the roman emperor Constantine converted into a christian and decided to make it an organized religion, he debated with some elders on the books to be added and not added...hmmmm, your holy book inspired by God was made whole by a Roman Emperor Pagan turned christian.
Aside from that, you seem to be in love with the notion that something must have created something, well that does not seem to be the case, if you know well about quantum mechanics, then you would know that particles pop into and out of existence randomly, this is not a lie, its been proven and recently the Large hadron collider discovered the presence of the higgs particle that is very much responsible for mass, and so if all this comes into play, then you have your nature created by mere chance, as hard as it may sound but very true.
The universe was created some 13.72 billion years ago but your bible calculation is about 6000, the earth was born from the accumulation of star-dust clouds that were produced by the explosion of high-mass stars that died and scattered their contents across the cosmos, elements like nitrogen, carbon, oxygen, these elements are the building blocks of life.
Life formed from a process we dont fully understand(i am sure you would go, hey, God did it, but so did galileo when he discovered the dancing of the planets around the sun and called it the work of zeus, and isaac newton after explaining how gravity works failed to recognize the undelying mechanism behind it, he said God did it, well we now know galileo was talking about gravity and newton was talking about the curvature of space and time) but when we do, it would be most inspiring and from there life just evolved to the complexity that we see before us today, Yes all of this was a mere chance.
Well, i most certainly wont change your mind about your religion, thats not my aim, i just wanted to educate you a little bit but before i close my curtain, i want to give you some statistics, i am sure that you know that the sun is a star(a medium sized star, if you dont know, please you need some serious tutoring) and its just one of 100 billion stars in our galaxy, now using the sun's number of planets, we can say on an average that a star should have about Five(5) planets(Now these are just estimates), Given those figures, we have about 500 to 1000 billion planets in our galaxy(which is called the milky way galaxy), now imagine that we have discovered not just millions but billions of galaxies each with nothing less of a 100 billion stars in them and most-likely with trillions and trillions of planets. Just the fact that the universe was created for a tiny intelligent set of primates on a small habitable planet in a remote region of the milky way galaxy in a small group of cluster galaxies in a remote part of the universe is a very very very laughable idea, trust me and if you think atheist dont have morals or dont believe in anything, i assure you that you are most wrong, because that singular fact that we came out of chance to experience this disaster turned beautiful, is more than just humbly, its most magical.

Based on all the known facts and evidence, which school of thought sounds more logical and convincing, Evolution or Creationism?

johnydon22:
Lmao. . .you are getting schooled here boy...
**Face palm** How many times will one repeat the same nonsensical childish question. .
The 1001th time i am answering Because like many in the scientific world i do not agree to a theory until all possible
reviews, studies, observations, experimentations, discoveries has been
properly carried out on these theories.
It is a position of honesty because a theory can change or modify with more discoveries until it arrives at a truthful approximation..
Am sure it is obvious here. .
One who knows science is a mode of knowledge deduction through systematic approximations
or you who make out science to be a dogma. . . it is evidently clear who understand science here..
You see? Evolution is a theory explaining this observed facts. And showing how little you know of scientific postulations you do not know theories can take a drastic turn when a new discovery is made.
Evolution as a theory can be modified and improved upon until it reaches a close range of approximated truth. . .till then it doesn't make claims of absolute truth or unchanging dogma that but be believed because it is still under study..
Common meeeehn you can do better than this, you want to force evolution down my throat?
Hehehehehe not every science inclined individual agrees with evolution YET...
Actually googling is not good for your eyes, try books..
My girl friend is also studying computer science nothing special about that, this is not web design..
Oh meeehn this is an eye sore
first i have shown how my question is a very valid and logically sound question, you still cannot demonstrate how it is logically wrong but desperately hanging on bandwagon to dodge it.
Common mehnnn...this is not what i have been teaching, how to dodge questions...let me repeat the question again and hope to get an answer this time..
Which is better; Science that agrees it doesn't have answers and is working towards knowing
or religion
that insists its dogmas must be taken as truth...?
Or if you ask me i advice you save yourself the embarrassment and agree you don't know

You want to wait till evolution is complete before you can believe it but I am sorry to burst your bubble but evolution can never be complete, its just the best guess, that's all science is , a best guess based on the evidence and measurements taken. If you believe gravity then why can't you believe evolution, Isaac Newton proposed his theory of gravity 400years ago,it worked in all the scenarios we could have measured until late 18th century when it failed to explain the constant speed of light, Albert Einstein brought out his theory of gravity called the general theory of relativity which expanded on Newtons own and it has passed almost all the test given to it, but those that mean its the last straw,I think not,we still don't know what dark matter and dark energy is, when we do,we might have to revise Einstein's theories, but that doesn't mean Einstein or Newton for that matter was wrong and doesn't mean we should not believe it because it's not complete. Like I said earlier, its the best guess based on all the known evidence and measurements and so it would do for now

Buchukwu:
The game should be banned permanently. The owner of that game should be arrested, tortued, sentenced to 1 month in prison (which i think is fair). But it wont happen cos we live in a lawless country. It won't happen in the west cos they have values, they don't joke with terror and racism. Look at what happened to balotelli's instagram picture post.

Some Americans create a game like Call of Duty in which soldiers kill citizens and you fight in wars and stuff, you with your dumbass sit down and waste time playing those games, now your fellow citizens creates a game built around the problems of our country and offer to use earnings to help victims and you start saying NONSENSE! i am sorry my brother but you are part of the reason Nigeria and her talents are not celebrated as well as they should. please just go somewhere and hide abeg

No names from Imo and Gombe! Are we not part of Nigeria or have they sent us packing i am really confused o!

Have anyone noticed that two states were not included, Gombe and imo! are we not part of Nigeria again?i am confused o!