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Wow, extremely inspiring... I loved it, thanks op,you just made my day

Mehn people have time sha...

Wow...superb, you caught us, you must have the power of foresight... Mental Guru.......Atheist wants fame so we stopped believing in God...you are the real MVP

LORDDICE:
NO.
talking about Darwinism, does it also give room for dinosaurs

Lol, so you think scientists are in a form of cult and carrying out a conspiracy against us, they forged the bones of dinosaurs and old creatures of the past?......dude you are deluded, can't argue with ignorance, I can't believe someone who calls himself a scientist doesn't believe dinosaurs once existed!!! Hilarious

LORDDICE:
I am a scientist.
but most importantly, I'm a Christian.
more facts can be presented if any Darwinian has a raised eyebrow

I have said it before and will say it again, your posts are too long and needs to be summarized, i cant read all that, have meaningful things to do,but i did stumble upon where you said evolution doesnt explain fine-tuned universe bla bla bla...Are you sure you are a scientist, Evolution is the study of the diversity of life on earth, it makes no claim to how life started or the universe for that matter, those are completely different fields...Now fine, you have destroyed evolution, whats your alternative? Animals just appeared on the earth? 6000 years ago?,is that it? and let me ask you this, do you believe that dinosaurs existed

LORDDICE:
and u must be 1 of those Darwinian scientists....
talking about life. have u taking time to read about d fossils? lemme just tell u in case u haven't read. the fossils hive no explanation for the intermediate life forms....... etc

99.9% of sciencists believe evolution as a fact, the evidence for it is so overwhelming, DNA,embryology, anatomy,to name a few...you are just in denial,but for d sake of argument, let's imagine it's wrong,is d bible correct?...the bible chronology suggests that the earth is between 6 to 10 thousand years,I hope for your sake you don't believe that cos if you do,I really question your credibility as a scientist...the earth is 4.5 billion years n d universe is 13.8 billion years, there is tons of evidence supporting the claim...the bible doesn't even come close...so you see,eeven if evolution is wrong which it most certainly isn't, the bible isn't an alternative

I believe your post was why does science refutes religion,not why does science refutes God...science can't refute God anymore than science can refute fairies and spaghetti monsters... On the other hand, all claims made by religions have been proven false by science, the world was not created in six days, living organisms ddnt just appear on earth...science has explanation for how we got here and it is backed up by evidence and facts,something religions don't have...

LORDDICE:
I don't have time to present all d arguments sef

Your post is too long,try summarizing ur points, but I would say that science still has room for a God,but its really really unlikely, you know why, the universe is for free, if you summed up the energy content in the universe,you get zero, that means your God wouldn't have done much at the big bang, then as for ur finely tuned universe, vast majority of space would kill you in an instant, even on earth, tsunami, earthquake, e.t.c...so much for intelligent design

x123xlolls:
Its totally not like that bro...miracles happen...history isnt rubbish bro....rethink

If it does, why isnt there any undeniable proof of miracles

This is just absolute nonsense, I am sure if I heard the story of that tsunami from a christian, I would hear that it was 16churches that survived and the baby born with a miniature bible and a child born with bible verses on his body.....smh

acorntree:
The reason lies here, most Africans operate on the lowest level , physiological level according to Maslow's hierarchy of need. Need for basic necessity of live, food , water, sex, petrol to fuel car, generator etc. most Africans are not self actualized. With high unemployment , zero security of lives and properties no one can invent anything. Will you even gethe the mind when boko haram is pursing you and one agbero threatening your life

You are correct, I have come across this hierarchy before never did I use it to relate it to the African condition...really nice point

pillarmaria:
If Atheists hate God then that is a huge sign that God exists.

What i mean is that the hatred is not real hate, its the same hate you have for an imaginary character like voldemort in harry potter...

hahn:
This point is a simple case of misunderstanding. If I am in the midst of Christians, for instance, and they start praying, what am I supposed to do? Whether I choose to excuse myself or not involve myself entirely, Christians will still pick offense instead of respecting my own decision not to "serve" their god. I don't believe in it and I won't pretend to just as I won't try to convince you to disbelief. They expect you to join them in their beliefs whether you believe it or not and THAT is a show of arrogance.

I concurr...

I try my best to ignore some comments about Atheists and Atheism here on NL, its pitiful when i see some real illogical arguments put forward and it takes a great deal to not answer, but as always i feel i should pour out my mind and clear up some misconceptions about atheists or Atheism

MYTH: Atheism is a Religion
FACT: Atheism is not a religion, it is a rejection of religion, it should not be confused with a cult or religion. An easier way to put this is, If you are in a group and in that group, you guys all love chelsea, you regard yourselves as chelsea fans, then what would you call someone who doesnt watch football at all... a non-chelsea fan

MYTH: Atheists want to sin thats why they dont believe in God
FACT: If i was a thief, and i wanted to rob, but i know that if i robbed a bank, i would get caught by the police, does it make much sense for me to stop believing in Police so that i can rob all i want

MYTH: Atheists Hate God
FACT: Atheists hate God has much as you hate dragons, or voldemort, or the evil step mother...

MYTH: Atheists are stupid, how did you come about if God did not create you?
FACT: Science has given us objective truth far more than an religion has or would ever give us, what we know now, we ddnt know some 400 years ago, and we know it now due to scientific discoveries and enquiry...because we dont know something now doesnt mean we would never know it in the future

MYTH: You cant tell me how we came about, it means God did it!
FACT: That has to be the worst argument i have ever heard...God of the gaps, if thats how you define your God, then your God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance

MYTH: Atheists are arrogant
FACT: Well that i cant help, it has to do with personality and sometimes your perception of things...i can say with sufficient confidence, i am very accommodating of personal beliefs and stuff

tunnyl:
Go to the universities and talk to the lecturers they will give you proofs that africans/ blacks have contributed to science movement

Why must i go to the universities?, if they really have, i should see their works in the mainstream media, it should be impacting in my life right now, but i dont see this things and you want me to go talk to them, the benefits of science is not by mouth o,my broda

We Africans are the least scientific inclined set of humans on the planet, we don't contribute to the furtherment of science, we have never won Nobel prizes in these categories, we don't carry out real research to better understand our environment...all we do is to either leave the work to the white man or attribute these to some invisible deities...what is wrong with Africans?

I think asking whether God exists is a question that would never be met with a suitable answer, if you want to have faith to believe in him, superb, if you want to look at the evidence and discard his hypothesis, fine... its all a personal choice, i really doubt you would find an answer to your question especially not here on nairaland...What matters is for you to think critically and in doing so, respects other people's views and opinions. Have fun

johnydon22:


So the point you are trying to make is that; it is a fact organisms developed but the tenets of this development can be termed a theoretical postulation and [b]not the assertion of gradual development itself (evolution).

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Well yes, just that gradual development(Evolution) is already asserted, how did it gradually develop?, that is open to debate...

johnydon22:

Maybe you should have checked the meaning of Theory..

Theories are accepted principles or set of principles that explains an observed fact or facts..

evolution theory is a theory that explains the facts of natural selection, mutation and adaptation mechanism in the development of biological organisms..


Evolutionary mechanisms or should i say trend is far more complex than people make it out to be.

Here people make it out to be a form of chain-like pattern of transition which it is not, it entails a complex more like a web-like pattern of biological distinctions and development..


Good..

There is no evolution theory...thats my point, look at it this way, Gravity is a fact, a phenomenon of the natural world, Isaac Newton profound his laws of gravity, more like a manual on how gravity works, he never said anything about the internal mechanisms and how gravity is been propagated, Einstein answered those questions by his theory of general relativity, he explained that gravity is propagated by the warping of space and time or popularly known as spacetime... Isaac started, he left some holes, Einstein stepped in and filled in lots of the gaps but one thing never changed...GRAVITY, they were all talking about the fact of Gravity. Same with Evolution, Evolution is a fact, it doesnt change, we know that organisms evolve, now the question is , HOW DO THEY EVOLVE?... We can talk of Mutation, mixed with natural selection, adaptation e.t.c, these are mechanisms that explain our evolution, someone tomorrow can wake up and give us another prove or explanation on how evolution works and it would be correct but the base or foundation he would start from just like GRAVITY is EVOLUTION. so evolution is not a theory, It is A FACT

johnydon22:

First evolution is a Scientific theory..



I have read the evolutionary mechanism and find it to be quite drastically different from what both you and most atheists on this board make it out to be.

Many have taken evolutionary theory as an immutable dogma that must be believed in the explanation of human development and therefore tend to lean towards evolution as a form of belief instead of a scientific enquiry...



On the part of many on this board "Yes" it is used as another dogma to replace religious dogmas and distanced from what it actually is which is Subject of scientific enquiry..

Hi johnydon22, nice writeup but I think u ar confused about evolution. Evolution is a scientific fact, all manner of studies says so including genetics, what is the theory is the mechanisms of evolution... That's why it's called the theory of evolution BY Natural selection and that is the best explanation so far of how organisms evolved from other organisms

sukkot:
you must be drunk. it takes pluto over 100 years to go around the sun, and neptune is like 80 plus years or something and saturn is like 29 years around the sun, uranus is also some crazy amount of years like 70 or something. jupiter is like 11 years or so around the sun. and you think the sun is stationary when compared to these planetary bodies that barely move at all ? y

ou must be flogged with koboko.

Wat a pity...smh...am done with your ignorant ass

sukkot:
ok now i know you dont know what you are talking about. the sun has an orbit that it moves around. the sun is not stationary. it is from the sun being in these various zodiac constellation houses that people get their zodiac signs. like if you are scorpio it means the sun was in the zodiac constellation scorpio when you were born etc etc. see now i know you are confused.

Shut up...u ar d one dat dnt understand simple English, "In relation to other bodies in the solar system,the sun is stationary"..........what does that statement tells u,abeg go back to ur English classes

sukkot:
you must be drunk. go and sleep. screensaver ? lmao. conversation over

inside each constellations are stars and nebulae and black-holes. these are solid delineations not ' screensavers ' as you so delicately put it.

No need for insults, and moreover, i said screensaver or backdrop as a metaphor, Does the sun rises in the east and sets in the west for a planet spining opposite to the direction earth is spinning... the simple answer is no...in relation to all the bodies in the solar system, the sun is stationary, its from the planets perpective that it appears to be changing be it from east to west or west to east, its all depends on you, the observer moving around it...There is no constellations as in group of stars in a particular way, its people on earth that group these stars and call them constellations because they noticed a periodic appearance of these set of stars on the night sky...and what is causing that is the revolution of the earth around the sun.

sukkot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac

The Zodiac here is the backdrop of the sun that we observe here on earth, its more of a 360 screensaver or background image that we earthlings during the olden days uses to determine the position of the earth in relation to the sun...the sun is the going around it!!!bottomline

sukkot:
you atheists are drunk on cow piss. ok first off lets define your paradigm. your paradigm leans on the fact that there is no God. and yet the moon travels around the earth clockwork every 30 days and the sun travels around the zodiac clockwork every 360 days, and the annual meteor showers come on certain dates clockwork annually, and 4 consecutive luna eclipses fell on 4 consecutive biblical holy days aka feast of sukkot and passover. and the intelligently designed universe and black holes and nebulae and meteor showers and constellations and stars and planets and moons. so you are telling me all these appeared from the big bang and then started working clockwork without any control from a higher power ? the big bang makes the moon go 30 days clockwork around the earth ? and the sun go 360 days clockwork around the 12 zodiac ? GERRARAHIA MEHN . YOU DONT KNOW NOTTN SO AM FINNA TEACH YOU SOMN

I am sorry, but you are the one that dont know what you are talking about!!!, there is no sun going around any zodiac...smh, ignorance...Actually all the effects that you mentioned in this post are due to the effects of one simple fundamental force, GRAVITY. Gravity is what keeps the moon around the earth and the earth around the sun and the sun around the galaxy and the galaxy around its cluster group...Once you understand gravity, you can always predict the path an cosmic body can take, Nothing like zodiac or intelligently designed...Please learn some science before you speak on a scientific subject!

malvisguy212:
I see no sense in your post, what do you mean by "faith lead to the death of christians?" on many occasions, atheists have liken faith as something you have NO knowledge of, but here you are saying different thing. The christian faith is not opposed to reason and knowledge because God invite us to reason together with Him.the fact that every human has freewill and God will not override our choice, mean everyone of us is responsible for our belief. You cannot force your self to believe in lies. innately you know it lie.

I understand you, but let me throw you a scenerio, I am most certain that you believe time is constant,that is,it flows in one direction...Everyone thinks that, atleast 200years ago, Albert Einstein came up with a crazy idea that time can slow down or fasten up, crazy idea but really really true, Evidence supports these but we can never experience this in our everyday life. Now imagine growing up, believing time is linear, and then some dude tells you, no its not, its stretchy...you should find that hard to believe, even hard to comprehend because thats not your world view or what you came to know about reality, but because you see the evidence, you have to believe it...This is not what happens with religion,you have been brought up in a particular faith, you get confronted by someone who has evidence that your view is wrong, but you refuse to believe it because of the deep rooted foundation in your faith... if thats not the height of ignorance, then i dont know what is.

PS: You said your belief is based on truth, i would like to know this truth!!!

johnydon22:


With the type of technology available to us now i would say that we can probably in the near future achieve something near the speed of light with nuclear reactors but still such ridiculous distances is still impossible to us.

Our galaxy for instance is 100,000light years in diameter, unless we can get to observe wormholes and create mini wormholes and blackholes in the near future i doubt if it would solve this problem but i know it will give us a better idea of the universe we live in.

Maybe going by quantum mechanics we could come up with a quantum generator that can generate alternate atoms of an object and project to a different point in space/time.

Sometimes one cant help but realize nature is far more crazier than we can ever imagine. . . for the fact that we are nature too shows just how crazy nature can be ...

A very Nice piece, but I think our focus is not to travel to the stars just yet, we have about 2 billions years to figure that one out, I think we should focus on increasing our life span to even a thousand years, Whats the essence of colonizing the galaxy only to enjoy it for a mere 100 years or less? if we cant maintain our physical vessel, how can we maintain a galaxy that most likely would contain extraterrestial life!!!

Anyways i believe in the human mind, i believe we would get there, 2000years ago, flying would be reserved for only the gods and their messengers, 500years ago, talking to someone at the other side of the world would be sorcery but this are normal things to us, i believe in 5000 years would be able to get to Alpha centauri in about 3hrs...

Sometimes I ask myself, the creator of the universe with his more than a 100billion galaxies each with at least a 100billion stars each with at least 3planets obviously has lots and lots of real estate to his credit, why doesn't he keep the tree in another galaxy or on another star system or even on our neighborhood planets or even at the middle of the Atlantic... Nope, the creator of the universe decides to keep it exactly where he kept man...smh, he really works in mysterious ways

Teempakguy:
this is probably the most asked question in this section. hehe.


well, one thing is for sure, the possiblity is very damn high.

excuse me, sir, but i think you'll find that intelligence is not as rare as you claim. it's just not really needed for survival. an organism can very easily survive without intelligence. because of this, it rarely pops up. however, homo neanderthalis, Homo sapien, and homo nadeli all were intelligent life forms. dolphins are also quite intelligent.

I did confirm that intelligence was an inevitable trait after we developed brains and i also did mention dolphins and whale being on a path of intelligence far independent from our evolutionary line, what i meant to say or ask is intelligence on a distant planet with life far different from ours and how probable is a brainlike feature going to form on another planet?

Life as we know it comes in different forms and sizes and as evolved different features over the last few billion years of its existence on earth, but out of what we know so far, millions and millions of species has come and gone with different features popping up independently multiple times like sight, flight, echo location, blow-holes e.t.c and one can say safely that some features tend to appear in living organisms but what about the defining feature of our species... Intelligence.

Intelligence has appeared only once in life on earth's history and has sent us from tree swinging, banana-peeling apes to a space-faring civilization but even at that, is intelligence really rare in the galactic neighbourhood, were we really that lucky on earth to have developed intelligence such that we are the only species in the galaxy with these abilities?, or is intelligence an inevitable trait for life to develop?

My Personal opinions are as follows: I think intelligence was inevitable after our ancestors developed a brain, we can attest to it by observing intelligence that is developing independently from humans evolutionary line (dolphins and whales), but then again how certain is a feature like the brain or something similar to develop? On a different planet with different environment that would cause life to evolve in a very strange way, far different from what we are used to on earth. We can obviously say that intelligence is a rare gem given that we cannot find any intelligent signal elsewhere in the galaxy or maybe we are just one of the first intelligent races out there.

What are your opinion on these? and notice I restricted the thought to our galactic neighbourhood...

KingEbukasBlog:
When evolution theory was proposed , how many fell for it or believed it ended the "God-argument" ?
Take a wild guess

Now , how many non religious and religious people do you think fell for it?
You wanna take another guess ?

What does it you about faith , and those who consume it ?

...confused much!!!

johnydon22:


This is the type of thing that makes many people regard religious people as insane people..

-The news has been around for years

-The Op didn't check but believed such story

-Some will still believe it that NASA did....lol

Such desperation can only betray utter frustration and need for a believer to lay claims for his God even if he has to lie for it..

This is many things in religious books came into being... From Blatant lies..

I concur

It doesn't matter, its all a Jewish myth anyways