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donbabajay:
Let me start from this : CAUSE

This principle of causation is so fundamental that if I said that the chair you are sitting on, which must have had a beginning, just popped into existence without any cause, you might justifiably think I need a psychiatric assessment!

Today’s atheists, who like to use words like ‘rational’, ‘reasonable’ and ‘scientific’ in describing their beliefs, believe that the greatest beginning of all—that of the universe—had no cause whatsoever!

The cause of the universe must have been non-material because if the cause was material / natural, it would be subject to the same laws of decay as the universe. That means it would have to have had a beginning itself and you have the same problem as cycles of births and deaths of universes. So the cause of the universe’s beginning must have been super-natural, i.e. non-material or spirit—a cause outside of space-matter-time. Such a cause would not be subject to the law of decay and so would not have a beginning. That is, the cause had to be eternal spirit.

First off, you contradict yourself, if everything has a cause, then the first cause also had to have cause making the first cause an infinite regression. Right now, we are in the scientific age and we have come a long way from wondering what the stars mean, Today Physicists have been able to trace time back to the beginning of the Universe up to the planck time (which is 10^-43 seconds), and from all indicatations and inferences, the universe came from nothing, we live in a universe that has all the signs of coming from nothing, if you want a universe that can come from nothing, you are living in one, Really Smart people have worked on these problems and a majority of them comes to this conclusion.

Now you might go and say, what, thats nonsense, how can a universe come from nothing, how can something come from nothing, its in impossible, i urge to revise your thinking, you know why, over a 100 years ago, the popular thinking was that time was static, ever marching forward into the future, unchanged and the same for everyone, We now know that to be wrong, time can be warped, stretched and squeeze, it can run slowly given the right conditions but this are concepts our puny human brains cant comprehend well, why, because we dont encounter this on a regular basis, we cant impose what we feels right or sensible on the universe, who gives us the right?, we can only sit back and let the universe dictates to us what is sensible and what is not...

donbabajay:
Atheist, com over let's have a rational discussion. Post your argument and i'll prove without a doubt to you that there a GOD!

Are you sure the discussion is going to be rational?, can you proof the christian God exists without quoting one single passage from the bible?

Superb work...i like

Rhemmymatician:
Eating of faeces can be found in nature. Incest can be found in nature. You get my point now?

Noone stops anyone from eating faeces, your health is your health, and incest produces genetically deformed offsprings, so we have that...

malvisguy212:
if you want to concentrate on evil being done in this world and ignored the Gift of God, then yoy and I will be guilty. The Bible says that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. That
includes everything necessary to feed and provide for its inhabitants. Can anyone deny that the earth is capable of producing more than enough food to feed the entire globe? If people are starving, who's fault it is ? If you disobey God, is God fault ? Do you remember the tons of food that were shipped to Ethiopia, but did not reach the starving
people who needed it? Whose fault was that? The reason that over 90% of the
masses have barely enough to survive on, is that there is a problem of DISTRIBUTION, NOT OF SUPPLY. A tiny minority have far more than they need, depriving the many.

Now open your corrupted mind and study this verse:

Romans 1:28-29
28 And since they did not see fit to
acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all
manner of unrighteousness, evil,
covetousness, malice. They are full of
envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,

What dose this imply ? This verse indicated suffering is as the of sin, will their be suffering if any of you atheists followed the teaching of Jesus ? If you chose to be atheist, two word will I say to you "GOODLUCK"

Where did your bible come from?

BlaqCoffee109:
...you really must be a sheep and a homosexual at that...a confused one! y'all always pride yourselves on being progressive..measure that on the threat of the human race being extinct,then you will understand how backward and confused you truly are gay...theres nothing to relate to

LOL, I never said i was gay, I am as straight as a ruler, the thought of homosexuality is disguisting to me(except when its girl on girl ),i cant relate to it, that doesnt mean i would hate on them or try to kill them like most people are doing, and the percentage of gays to straights are like 5%, so please tell me how can the Human race go extinct illiteracy of the highest order...smh

VampireeM:
The issue is Most Men usually takes such ladies with this qualties above for granted.....

Anyways different strokes for different folks

I disagree, I say its the opposite, few men would take ladies like this for granted and those men are jerks, a real man knows what he wants and when he sees it, noone would tell him twice...this is just an excuse for ladies who lack these qualities

Laveda:
Such question though.....That shouldn't be your P.....anyways there's no space for making choice when growing up..there's an extent one gets to and you get to know which one is better and which suits you..

Ok, if you say so, I concede...

Laveda:
I don't understand this.

If sexuality is a choice, when and where did you choose yours?... I assume you are straight

Laveda:
Oh well...To me...its a choice...you don't force people onwhat to do with their body

We agree on one thing, everyone is free to do what they like with their bodies,so with that, homosexuals are free to fvck anyone they want

As for d choice part, can u tell me when and where you choose to start liking boys?

jmoore:
"Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals.... For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction" - Dr. Antonio Pardo, Professor of Bioethics at the University of Navarre-


Homosexuality is choice, a very foolish choice. No one is ever born gay

There is nothing like moral in the animal kingdom. If a certain animal can kill her partner after mating, should human beings accept such too in our society?


"Homosexuality is death, and I choose life" - Michael Glatze(former gay activist)

Yes, we are in the 21st century where some folks think apes are their ancestors. smh

When and where did you choose to like girls?

Laveda:
Why?

Because you don't just change your sexuality due to some failed relationships,sexuality isn't a choice,if it was,90% of guys would have turned gay(girls are not easy to maintain you know) except you are bisexual other than that,I don't think so

Laveda:
Sometimes the major cause some girls go into lesbianism is just due to the number of heart breaks they've experienced.. They feel a man just can't love them for real.....they just feel he's using her for sex or so....

And yeah she runs into lesbianism

I really really doubt that...

BlaqCoffee109:
homosexuality is confusion.. homosexuals are confused..

I am sorry but you are the one thats really confused...No offense but i feel you dont know anything about biology, homosexuals choose the way they are now no more than you choose to be straight(heterosexual), Stop insulting who they are just because you cant relate to it, its backward and not progressive, we are in the 21st century.

PS: If you must know, homosexuality can be found in nature, Sheeps are one of the most gayest species known, 10% of sheeps in a flock tend to have a sexual partner with the same sex, you can research if you want to, i hear people bashing gays and i shake my head

midehi2:
Rihanna - Man down

Remind me to never break your heart

OP, I understand your plight, but I want to hope that your reason for not believing is more than what you stated here, being an atheist is more than just being angry at God and thinking he is partial, don't get me wrong,I am an atheist and I question these things but I fear your decision might be too hasty, I would suggest you read books like Age of reason, the God delusion...I suggest you research more about the universe and science and how we all got here, I also suggest you read the bible and if possible the Quran and the Torah... I want you to be well informed before you make your decision...good luck

hahn:
God is a creation of the mind that worship. "It" doesn't exist in reality. Join our nl freethinkers group on whatsapp. Drop your phone number and I'll add you up

08130968443

What of chicks that cheat?, how do guys treat them?

What happens after we die is the same thing that happened before we were born...a state of non-existance

First of all, I see alot of hypocrites in the house... Many are saying they can't do anyone...hilarious

I don't know where Africans get the idea that mastubation is such an evil thing that it should be compared with cheating! To me, that's a poor mentality.

This question is a no brainer...

johnydon22:
..lol..None of these Deities humanity has come up with in history can really be proven in actuality, they all remain unfounded claims...

Anyway Op.. $200 If you can prove to me that there is no red cup on top of this table..

https://pennstateelmscollection.com/images/squarecoffeetable.png

I say the cup is Green

johnydon22:
I see another Abraham here only that the victims are reversed..

Abraham was told by God to kill his son..

While you were told by God to kill your Dad..

Since Abraham is now revered as the "father of faith" for having the stomach to attempt murdering his son.

Then maybe you will be revered soon as the "Son of Faith" if you attempt obeying your God on this one..

Good luck going down history... Who knows you might become a saint for that

Lol..son of faith, I like the sound of that

Sharp guy, I like your style

ebrochukwu:
I went for a wedding party yesterday, it was a very colorful wedding, the host was my madam way back, so I couldn't miss the wedding for anything, what impress me the most is this particular guy that was at the wedding that got almost all the ladies looking and wishing he was theirs, they were just gazing at him and I can't help but zake picture of him n do you know why? Yes! Simply because the guy is me.

Boss,lol, its me Daniel from Csc,hw u dey nah

KingEbukasBlog:
Please provide proof for these claims you made . Its funny that there are many knowledgeable Christians who see the world differently in a more intelligent way

Science never was atheistic, its just an enquiry of truth,synonymous to a homocide detective. Now imagine that this detective finds a victim being shot in the head and chest as evidently shown in the bullet holes but a passerby who claims he witnessed the murder claims it was a knife...which story would hold more ground?

How can Christians claim the world is 6000years old wen its obviously 4.5billionyears through evidence, how can you say we came from one man and one woman when the DNA evidence says the opposite,I could go on but I need to sleep, just the same way a detective would dismiss the obvious false story by the passerby for more evidence based claims, atheists dismisses religions false stories for more evidence based claims

winner01:
if you werent so close minded, you'd have noticed that no scientific findings discredit the Bible.

You know bro, I ddnt want to answer you but your ignorance is pitiful, if someone doesn't believe in your Hebrew text then he is close minded?

I am certain that for someone to be an atheist, he or she must have read science books,philosophical books,biographies,autobiographies of great thinkers of the past, they would have wrestled with that deep inbuilt idea of a supernatural being and chosen to follow the evidence whereever that might lead,they are constantly searching for truth knowing fully well they dnt know it all.
A christian reads the bible and he believes he knows all the secrets of the universe and noone should challenge him unless they are closed minded...

Smh...Merry xmas

winner01:
Give an evidence that includes a cause.
What caused the big bang?, if you insist its nothing, then you can quit right here.
I believe in a cause, and that makes the difference between me and someone who believes in a nothing cause and still tries to associate such assertion with science.

You say our claim of the universe sprouting from nothing is nonsensical but you want us to believe in an intelligence without a beginning or an end!

You believe the bible is the word of God but all it takes is a Muslim and he would deny that claim, so you can't even prove ur God existence to a believer in the supernatural now talkless of an evidence based intellectual... Pity

I believe the truth is objective, it has no different interpretations, it is what it is, if your God has many interpretations, than I am sorry,it is far from the truth

winner01:
You spoke about evidence and now you claim its incomplete, I marvel at your ignorance.
I posted this elswere, ill just copy and repost it here:
"Maybe you should back your claims with evidence on the observation of abiogenesis happening in nature,
Or tell us if scientists have they been able to create a lifeform through controlled experiments.
Also tell us the probability of a single protein forming through purely natural processes and how acceptable it is based on the law of probability.
Finally, What is the minimum number of parts necessary for an autotrophic free living organism to live, and could these parts assemble by naturalistic means?" 

You don know something now, but you are very sure its not something else. That the height of close-mindedness, From all the nonsense i read from atheists on this forum daiky, I can state, Im yet to see one who is a better scientist than i am, in research or qualifications.
Such close minded people.

To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias
I believe the big bang to be a response to God's command.
When i asked for evidence supporting the Big Bang, i meant an evidence that encompassess its cause.
Since to you, The big bang just happened, because it needed to happen from absolutely NOTHING[/B], even though you are trying hard to redefine something as nothing. Means Gerald Schroeder's analogy was too complex for you to understand.
The meme below is for you.

Hijacked!!!, Just the proof i expected.
I keep saying and you have shown evidently that science is being hijacked by atheists in a bid for you to stay relevant. Not only science, you also need religion to stay relevant and that why you cant do without talking about it.

[b]The CMB is not evidence that something came from nothing. The aftermath of the big bang is not evidence that the big bang happened without a cause as the atheist believes.
Give an evidence that includes a cause.
What caused the big bang?, if you insist its nothing, then you can quit right here.
I believe in a cause, and that makes the difference between me and someone who believes in a nothing cause and still tries to associate such assertion with science.
Unfortunately for you, No scientific evidence opposes biblical facts.
Little wonder Sir William Herschel (1738-1822) said:
"All human discoveries seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more & more strongly the truth contained in the Sacred Scriptures".
You are enough evidence of a deliberate supernatural finetuning. Quit asking this question, Ive not and wont try to prove the existence of God to you or anyone, its pointless and will only give you the relevance you dont deserve. If i wanted to prove to atheists that God exists, ill be on an atheist section and not a religion section. This thread was only meant to show a scientist's demonstration of the supernatural. The obsession of atheists with God and religion is quite funny.

Bam, you have finished work, just a simple question, if your God is all powerful and all present and all knowing and obviously the creator of the universe, why is it there are so many versions of him or her?,why is it that everyone is born into the right God?,why is it that your God behaves exactly how your culture is setup?,why all the confusion for one all powerful creator of the universe

winner01:
Lol, You obviously know next to nothing when you speak of evidence.

Do you mind giving us evidence of the big bang and abiogenesis .

Assumptions and theories are not evidence

You have been scammed my friend

You accuse me of knowing nothing,when you obviously are the one living in ignorance.

Abiogenesis is a field that is still incomplete, no full road map to how inorganic chemistry became organic life,but the pieces of the puzzle are there and sciencists are working day and night on fixing it together, well you can scream all you want,but science is ever evolving, because we don't know something now doesn't mean we would never know it.

As for the big bang,there are tons of evidence supporting it, first the expansion of the universe,if the universe is so rapidlying expanding,it means it must have started from a more closer and denser region being all small to an atomic point.
CMB known as the cosmic microwave background is probably the biggest evidence, a big bang theory predicts a microwave radiation that would echo in the background of the cosmos,its like the noise left by the big bang in layman terms, well in 1988,this radiation was discovered by two radio astronomers and it is exactly how a bigbang radiation would have being, it helped us to calculate the age of the universe which to our closest estimation is around 13.82billion years...so I ask again,where's your evidence for a supernatural creation

winner01:
@ bolded, You need to laugh at yourself repeatedly. How about life, it too came from nothing due to evolution and abiogenesis. its sad.
if really the supernatural was involved in creating the natural. Could it ever be possible for the natural to possess the capacity to probe the source of the supernatural

Seems you guys throw logic out the window when you make such assertions.

Life ddnt come from nothing, it came about from the laws of chemistry and physics. One thing I love about science is that it has evidence to back up it claims, what's your evidence for a supernatural creation of the universe

I see pieces like this and laugh, Your universe came from nothing due to quantum fluctuation and the uncertainty principle... There is no supernatural force behind it and even if there was, it just pushes the beginning further back,what created the supernatural?